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Post by: MiloMorai on March 11, 2004, 07:01:24 AM

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Post by: VO101_Isegrim on March 11, 2004, 07:17:08 AM

From : RL2III/1158

On 31 January 1945 the combat units of the Luftwaffe and their associated Erganzungs Einheiten, had the following strength in Bf109 types. These are on hand totals, they include both 'frontline' and 'other' units. Included are all aircraft operational and non-operational at the time. (combat/Erganzungs):

Bf109G1/5 (0/1)
Bf109G12 (0/5)
Bf109G6 (71/328)
Bf109G14 and G14U4 (431/190)
Bf109G10, G10/U4 and G14/AS (568/3)
Bf109K4 (314/0)
Bf109G10/R6 (51/0)

Total Bf 109s (1435/527)

Other Jagd types totaled (1058/359)
Schlacht types totaled (680/375)
Nachtschlacht types totaled (422/95)
Zerstorer types totaled (42/0)
Nachtjagd types totaled (1241, no breakdown between the two)
Kampf types totaled (543/158)
Nahaufklarer totaled (407/27)
Fernaufklarer totaled (195/81)
See types totaled (78/17)
Transport types totaled (496/9)
Total (6597/1631)
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Grand total : 8228 aircraft

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Post by: frank3 on March 11, 2004, 07:47:02 AM

I don't get it..some posts * na and someone else posts an entire collection of 109 models?

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Post by: MiloMorai on March 11, 2004, 07:51:14 AM

Hit 'new post' instead of 'reply'.:)

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Post by: Angus on March 14, 2004, 06:21:36 PM

And with all those planes so late in the war, the LW managed only to launch 2 planes at the landing forces on D-Day...

Title: Those numbers can't be right....
Post by: eddiek on March 14, 2004, 07:20:43 PM

No way, no how......;)

There have been too many posts from LuftWienies telling us the entire Western Front was defended by 100 or so fighters, against the 1000 plane raids the Allied Opportunists sent against the Holy Fatherland, Nazi Germany.  Long live the glorious LuftWeiner pilots, and may their feats against 10, 15, sometimes even 20:1 odds never be forgotten!  :rolleyes:


(Sarcasm mode OFF)

I always thought it was interesting to see how many 109's were produced, yet have folks come aboard here and tell us there were never more than a handful available to defend Germany against the Allied bombing raids.  
Thanks for the info!

Title: Re: Those numbers can't be right....
Post by: palef on March 14, 2004, 07:25:31 PM

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Originally posted by eddiek
No way, no how......;)

There have been too many posts from LuftWienies telling us the entire Western Front was defended by 100 or so fighters, against the 1000 plane raids the Allied Opportunists sent against the Holy Fatherland, Nazi Germany.  Long live the glorious LuftWeiner pilots, and may their feats against 10, 15, sometimes even 20:1 odds never be forgotten!  :rolleyes:


(Sarcasm mode OFF)

I always thought it was interesting to see how many 109's were produced, yet have folks come aboard here and tell us there were never more than a handful available to defend Germany against the Allied bombing raids.  
Thanks for the info!

You've heard of the Eastern front then?

(Sarcasm mode off)

But seriously there were very limited fighter resources on the Western front, and very poor coordination and doctrine guiding their use.

The Eastern front ate men and materials and a 3rd of 109s were apparently destroyed in a variety of accidents. Also remember that the totals above didn't make overall total strength. Old models were retired when new ones were introduced.

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Post by: Angus on March 16, 2004, 07:40:13 AM

In 1944, on the eastern front, the LW actually lost about the same amount of planes as they did fighting the Brits from june to december in 1940. They lost 2000, while they lost 8000 on the western front.