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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Furball on March 12, 2004, 08:56:55 AM
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i dont care if you perk it to hell.. WE want it in AH2!
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/gallery/vulcansr2640.jpg)
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we?
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are "we" that desperate?
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Vulcan and Victor are certainly two of the most gorgeous aircraft in history.
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Yeah, Vulcan sounds good! :) Big plane, damn tight cockpit! :eek:
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ok just to let you know iv never seen that thing ever in my life could some one give me a brief info
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Originally posted by simshell
ok just to let you know iv never seen that thing ever in my life could some one give me a brief info
Part of the 'V' Force (Vulcan, Victor & Valiant), it was designed as a strategic bomber. It was equipped with a nuclear missile and was considered as one of the best deep strike aircraft.
I watched a a programme on Discovery and they mentioned that before SAMs were introduced nothing could touch this aircraft. Its large wing made it out manouvre interceptor jets (could easily be rolled) at altitude and its jamming technology allowed it to penetrate US defences in mock battles without detection. The Soviet Union felt very threatened by both the Vulcan and the Victor. Sadly with the advent of SAMs it had to move to the low-level mission like many other bombers. It carried out the longest bomb run in military history when it bombed the Falkland Islands from the Ascension Islands during the Falklands War 1982. It could carry 21,000lbs of iron bombs. It was converted to a tanker in its later life.
None are currently flying although one is nearing completion for flight again. NASA was interested in purchasing this Vulcan because, despite its age, it still held advanced delta wing technology/construction.
Read http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/vulcan/history.html
(http://www.captain-vulcan.freeuk.com/xh5583.jpg)
(http://www.captain-vulcan.freeuk.com/xh5587.jpg)
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/t_images/vulcanb2.jpg)
Was just looking at the picture above, I don't know which disused airfield that is but the three dispersals look like former Thor nuclear missile launch pads!
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Originally posted by Replicant
...and its jamming technology allowed it to penetrate US defences in mock battles without detection...
How do you not detect jamming?
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Well they detected jamming but not the aircraft, you know what I mean! :)
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never heard of the "victor" can someone post a pic of it? or does it look exactly like the vulcan?
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Here you go Flyboy.
http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/victor/survivorspics1.html
(http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/victor/xm715.jpg)
(http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/aircraft_images/main_images/victork2.jpg)
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Handley Page Victor
(http://www.paulnann.com/images/pn_w0060.jpg)
(http://www.paulnann.com/images/pn_w3169.jpg)
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Always liked the VICTOR better myself.
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Originally posted by Jester
Always liked the VICTOR better myself.
Me too! :) It wasn't as famous as the Vulcan but it was a better aircraft in many ways and didn't leave RAF service until around 1992/93 I believe.
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Ok... now how about some Valiant to complete the trio?
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Vickers Valiant was the first of the V-bombers. Again it's a strategic nuclear bomber but when it swapped to the low-level roll the airframe couldn't cope with the added stress and cracks began developing in the spars and was withdrawn from service.
http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/valiant/history.html
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/gallery/valscramble800.jpg)
(http://www.bahnsnack.de/Aircraftpage/Flugzeugtypen/vickers_valiant.jpg)
The V-bombers below
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/images/3vbombers.jpg)
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vulcan best heavy ever....and most beautiful.. seen it many times at airshows.. nothing sounds as good..
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I also believe one was used in a james bond film in the 60's and a very good mock up was used in under water shots.
if ou wath the film it will give you more an idea of the size.Another thing mentioned was in a mock dog fight in the 80's it could out manourver a f16 head to head but would loose out if missels were deployed?
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Originally posted by rogerdee
I also believe one was used in a james bond film in the 60's and a very good mock up was used in under water shots.
if ou wath the film it will give you more an idea of the size.Another thing mentioned was in a mock dog fight in the 80's it could out manourver a f16 head to head but would loose out if missels were deployed?
Vulcan was withdrawn from service in 1982/83 (tanker role) and the they only kept one Vulcan flying for airshows until 1992 I think.
Head to head vs F16, well it must have been at very high altitude where it could out turn/out perform any interceptor jet. Its big wing sure helped! :)
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Then why can't I out manouevre a spit with my lanc?
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A lightly loaded Lanc could turn very very tight. They would sometimes "play" with spit pilots, and to the great surprize of the Spitty drivers, the Lanc would force them close to stalling in a tight turn!
Anyway, the Vulcan is sooo cooool. There is one inside at Hendon air museum, that wing is just huge.
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Originally posted by frank3
Then why can't I out manouevre a spit with my lanc?
I'm sure you could at 40,000-60,000ft
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Vulcans may have made longest bombing mission to the Falklands...it was done so they could be involved...however it was really expensive in fuel cost and was ineffective in that campain...nice looking plane though
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Vulcans may have made longest bombing mission to the Falklands...it was done so they could be involved...however it was really expensive in fuel cost and was ineffective in that campain...nice looking plane though
It was purely a political exercise, a show of force, to demonstrate that Argentina could be bombed from the Ascension Islands. It also served a purpose disabling Port Stanley for use of jets (although turbo props could still be used on the 'now' shorter runway). The main intention was to seperate the garrison at Port Stanley from the rest of the island - Port Stanley was on a sperate to the rest of the island.
I spoke to a Vulcan pilot back in January and he said that Port Stanley was very difficult to bomb since the Vulcan's were set up for radar bombing and why they had to bomb the runway side ways to ensure hitting it! He confirmed that it was a show of force to Argentina.
Besides the fact that nearing the end of the war Britain had a nuclear sub just off the coast of Argentina, so it was irrelevent that the Vulcan could bomb Argentina.
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speaking of bomber vs. fighter maneuverability, I've read that a B36 could out turn an F86 at operational altitudes, again, with the biggest wing of all.
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Vulcans are dead impressive but I like the Victor even more.
I once heard in a Discovery Channel documentary that the Victor is the largest aircraft to have exceeded Mach one (just). Can anyone confirm?
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
vulcan best heavy ever....and most beautiful.. seen it many times at airshows.. nothing sounds as good..
Yeah, They are impressive A/C
However i only managed to see one once in real life, And it crashed shortly afterwards! :eek:
When i was a youngster i was walking to school and heard a huge racket, I looked up to see a Vulcan passing overhead....... with smoke pouring out of it!
When i got home later that day i was shocked to see the news report that it had gone down!
Fortunately the crew had bailed safely.
Needless to say i'm very careful, NOT to look at A/C passing overhead now!
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Back in '73 or '74 I saw one fly at Travis AFB near Sacramento CA. the rate of climb and roll rate and turning radius were eye popping. They put on a fighter type show before heading off.
Well done Chaps!
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I've been lucky to see several fly. Their air display was very impressive and the picture below shows how they start the display pulling up to about 50-55 deg from take-off!
Still pulling up.... it gets steeper!
(http://www.captain-vulcan.freeuk.com/xh5587.jpg)
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OMFG! check this out...
http://www.planestv.com/vidclips/vulcan.wmv
That takeoff is unbelieveable.. for a plane that size.
Its *almost* like a B52 taking off vert and rolling off the side!
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Avro Vulcan B.Mk.2
Role: Long range strategic medium bomber
Crew: 5
Dimensions: Length 99 ft 11 in (30.45 m) initially, 100 ft 1 in (30.50 m) over nose 'pimple', 105 ft 6 in (32.15 m) with refuelling probe; Height 27 ft 2in (8.28 m); Wing Span 111 ft 0 in (33.83 m); Wing Area 3964.0 sq ft (368.27 sq m)
Engine(s): Four Bristol Siddeley Olympus 201 turbojets each rated at 17,000 lb (7711 kg) st, or Olympus 301 turbojets each rated at 20,000 lb (9072 kg) st.
Weights: Empty Equipped ? lb (? kg); Normal Take-off 179,898 lb (81,600 kg); Maximum Take-off 200,180 lb (90,800 kg)
Performance: Maximum level speed Mach 0.75 (528 mph, 850 kph) at sea level, Mach 0.96 (645 mph, 1038 kph) at 39,375 ft (12,000 m); Maximum Cruising speed Mach 0.95 (627 mph, 1009 kph) at 55,100 ft (16,800 m); Service ceiling 64,960 ft (19,800 m); Combat radius on internal fuel 1,710-2300 mls (2750-3700 km); Ferry range 4,750 mls (7,650 km), lo-lo mission 3,450 miles (5550 km) without refuelling, 5,750 miles (9256 km) with one in-flight refuelling.
Armament: No defensive guns. Conventional (21 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs) or nuclear bomb-load in internal bomb bay or provision for one Blue Steel 'stand off' bomb in semi-recessed installation. Many aircraft also included underwing attachment points for the Skybolt missile, which could be later used for the cariage of Shrike missiles and ECM pods.
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Originally posted by Furball
OMFG! check this out...
http://www.planestv.com/vidclips/vulcan.wmv
That takeoff is unbelieveable.. for a plane that size.
Its *almost* like a B52 taking off vert and rolling off the side!
Yeah, they used to do that at most airshows! :) Amazing what a big and strong wing can do! :eek: