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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: meddog on March 12, 2004, 04:21:03 PM
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As anyone who knows me, I'm a knight and usually respected and feared by Bishops and Rooks a like but this time I would like to tip my hat to the Bishops who today had the uncanning ability to get the Knights to commit 90% of its forces to fighting the Bishops (between A1 and A19) with the Knights accomplishing absolutely nothing other than to totaly screw over the remaining 10% of the Knights who were left trying to defend against the Rooks and losing the entire east and southern bases. If the Knights are complaining about numbers now, Keep pulling the same selfish and self centered bone headed stuff like you did to day and Knights will quickly either cancel their accounts or log off out of frustration or just plainly switch to Bishops or Rooks. The Knights have shown time and time again that if they work together as a country, they can accomplish great things even when they are out numbered. Whether you're a furballer or gamer, this is a team sport and there is no "I" in team
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Look hard enough and you'll find "me" though.
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I don't fear you.
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Sure you do Furious , you just don't know it yet
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Hmmm, I don' think this post was REALLY about the bish.
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Originally posted by kj714
Hmmm, I don' think this post was REALLY about the bish.
Perceptive:lol
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WOW one of my own squadies made some ones list lol
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Look hard enough and you'll find "me" though.
You can also find "meat" or "eat-m" or an "at me"
Frankly I don't see why anyone would want an "I" in team. An "s" would work, because then you would have "steam." :confused:
Charon
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Wow, a whine and some self-adulation. Bravo!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by meddog
Whether you're a furballer or gamer, this is a team sport and there is no "I" in team
Med, first off, let me say I'm not trying to pick a fight with ya.
I felt the same way at one time and got a lot of feedback on it.
I can feel your frustration though and here's some thoughts:
Even though we are divided into countries, in no way is this a "team" game. The only teams are squads.
The players flock to the most even battles. Everybody's in here to get kills. If I'm fighting bish on the east coast and it's pretty even in numbers, I'm staying up, getting kills, having fun. Now the rooks are making a hard advancement on the west coast, if I go there I'm probably going to face a a lot of them and there will only be a few of me. I'm gonna get my keester shot off. Why am I going there? Can you really blame them for fighting the even battle? I can get shot down all night long and in the end what have I accomplished? If 120 knits are trying to fight against a combined force of 300 Bish and Rooks, probably not much at all.
If you really want more team action, take it to the squad leaders not the players. If some of the big squads agree to work together consistently then it *might* make a difference. A little squad organization would probably go a long, long way.
It's tough to defend against a gangbang. If 60 Knits are defending west against 130 Bish and 60 Knits are defending east against 170 Rooks, you're still gonna lose a whole lot of ground all over the place. Some might argue that strategically it's better to take a stand against one side or the other, stopping that side with the majority of your resources and hoping to hang on until a change in the dynamics of the game occurs, ie, a lot of people log on or off, one side or the other decides to switch targets, something.
Anyway, I know it sucks to be the lonely defender, maybe we'll take it all back tonight! :)
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Originally posted by VFJACKAL
Perceptive:lol
Thanks Jackal, my SA's getting better all the time.
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Originally posted by Charon
Frankly I don't see why anyone would want an "I" in team. An "s" would work, because then you would have "steam." :confused:
Charon
In the deep south it's pronounced "taim" anyway.
As in "Dang, my taim wun"
The "i" is present and works quite well. Also, then you would have "a-i-m" in it, which I could use more of.
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>>Even though we are divided into countries, in no way is this a "team" game. The only teams are squads.<<
That about sums it up. The problem is the overall concept of winning war ignores this fact. Hence you have a scenario like tonight where there are 72 knights against 150+ Bish and 170+ rooks.
I think the maps should be reworked. Some people gripe that Fester's map is just a furball map. At least with his map, I can always log on to play and not spend my playing time whinnig on the message board. There has to be some compromise. It really isn't fun not being able to play and knowing its going to take the bish and rooks at least 2 more hours to reset the map. And what do they get? Nada. Just the satisfaction of keeping some players from playing the game. Went to three bases - all 25% all capped. So much fun. So don't tell me this ia a whine - I KNOW IT IS. I haven't played in the MA for a couple of days and was looking forward to it. Oh well - no joy.
Here's a fancy algorithm for you - if any teams number of bases get below 10% of the sum of the two other teams, map resets. It would minimize the junk like tonight where one team is pretty much shut out of the game.
Now I'm heading to the bar :)
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theres a problem with the scoring really....
it goes like this.
1 rooks nearly win reset
2 bish notice (well they dont always) and start talking all undefeded rook bases to gain a lead
3 bish then move to "finish" off knights to win the reset since they are now "leading"
4 rooks move in, and retake all them fields
goto step 1
this is why resets are normaly so slow...
maybe both sides should "win" the reset?
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ahhh... I was not taking into account the regional difference.
Charon
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Head to the bar thinking Pink Floyd and pool. Get there and its Karaoke and darts. Now I don't know about anyone else, but I think thats a bad mix. Flying pointy things and off key singers can lead to disaster. So I hung around, but no action there either.
I guess it all boils down to the Stones - "You can't always get what you want."
A reset when a teams number of bases fell below 10% of the sum of the other two teams wolud keep all strategy and defence in place. It would eliminate the vulch characteristic of the end and eliminate shutting out a segment of the player base while the end woddles to completion. Why the number would be hardcoded regardless of map size, I don't understand. All I can say is I HATE KARAOKE! (and darts), and I hate having no place to take off from. All I want to do is play a couple of hours of AH.
10% of the sum of the two stronger countries. Think about it and tell me whats wrong with it.
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I think one simple phrase explains most of all the complaints in the game........
"you can please some people some of the time, but you will never please all the people all of the time" :rofl
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Here's a fancy algorithm for you - if any teams number of bases get below 10% of the sum of the two other teams, map resets. It would minimize the junk like tonight where one team is pretty much shut out of the game.
let'see some scenario:
Rooks/bish/knights are in a bad situation, field porked, or a map thats not fine for them.
On green channel appears a write " In one minute we all log - off and relog after 30 sec". Suddenly the number drops and the map reset.
How many reset do we expect for any day??
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Originally posted by FBRaptor
"you can please some people some of the time, but you will never please all the people all of the time" :rofl
If you can never please all of the people all of the time, then maybe you could please some of the people some of the time? Or are you arguing that you can please none of the people all of the time? Oh, the confusion.
Or perhaps you meant to say, "You can please some of the people all of the time or all of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time."
Incidentally, the original quote replaces "please" with "fool."
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Ok Im gonna go have a beer now:D
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
If you can never please all of the people all of the time, then maybe you could please some of the people some of the time? Or are you arguing that you can please none of the people all of the time? Oh, the confusion.
Or perhaps you meant to say, "You can please some of the people all of the time or all of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time."
Incidentally, the original quote replaces "please" with "fool."
-- Todd/Leviathn
This was a Raptor quote. Please stop trying to correct a Raptor quote. You have been warned. :D
Raptor
http://www.freebirdshome.com
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"respected and feared"???????? after a year in AH I've never even heard of you......
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Fifteen Knights working together as a cohesive unit, can accomplish great things. Let's face it, we have lower numbers 90% of the time, which means effective planning, communication and mission Ops must be in place, and observed.
I've also seen 25 Knights head to an NME field, pork it to pieces, and the inevitable call for, "Who has the goon?" goes out on Ch 2. Dead silence :)
It's really pretty simple...take down a town and town ack, suppress the airfield/VH and get troops in. Hotpad & repeat.
If the plan falls apart, move to another taget. We tend to get fixated with "conga line" methods which are doomed to failure.
my two cents
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Stegor, what I suggested has nothing to do with the number of people on for a given team, but the number of bases they own.
This would be a typical scenario on a small map...
Bishops have 30 bases, rooks have 40 bases, knights have 7 bases. If knights lose one more base the map resets. Knights can still struggle to hold out, bishops can still cooperate with the rooks to lose another war, and chances are, some knights can still up from a field not capped by vultures.
And I pulled 10% out of thin air. I just don't think the number should be hardcoded to one or two, but a percentage of the total number of bases - 5% -10%-15% - just to reduce the time a team has to fly from an absolutely dismal situation. I've seen Bishops and rooks drag out resets for HOURS while knights have 3 porked bases to enjoy their game time. Its just a suggestion.
I'm interested in problems it would create that aren't already there, and would it make the game more enjoyable for players of the losing country. I just don't see the need to keep one side down to 3 porked and capped bases for hours.
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Overlag, you have KEEN powers of perception;
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
"respected and feared"???????? after a year in AH I've never even heard of you......
Well that's because either (A) your a knight, (B) you live in a vaccum, (C) you fly during a time when I'm not normally logged on which is most likely the case taking into account your name (which looks to be German)which means your at least 6 hours ahead of my time zone or (D) a combination of the three.
As far as the respected and feared thing, well some of it was meant to be a joke. I don't think anyone is feared in this game, respectful of someones skill yes but thats assuming you know who the person your fighting is which is usually never the case until some one is killed. But I will tell you one thing about me and that is don't underestimate me and Generally you only get one shot at killing me and if you mess that up I can quarantee there won't be a second chance
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Hey Med,
You got my respect and since I'm a knight, well, the fear thing will have to wait. (Although this thread got the ball rolling lol:D JK)
Seriously though, I used to be into the win the war thing before stuff like; the bish letting the rooks take their fields to prevent a reset by knights, (This goes back to when the Bish had all the numbers and the rooks numbers were even worse than the knights are now.) the all out numbers of one country over powering the numbers of the combined other two, the sameness of base captures over and over, are just some of the things that make your post, while completely valid and understood, kind of funny to me. No disrespect meant.
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, I have passed the realm of Win The War, Pound the Bases kind of a game, because it is just a game, for the pure competition of Air To Air combat.
Now there are great pilots that fly to win the war, it's just that they have chosen the game side of the arena, while most of the time I choose the competition side. And yes the two types sometimes collied; i.e.; When a carrier feeding a great furball is sunk or like you have cited when we are getting steam rolled and everyone is just enjoying the fighting rather than give a crap about the war. But, to call it "pulling the same selfish and self centered bone headed stuff" is just a polite way of saying, the people that log in and just choose to fight are a bunch of Aholes:D. And, (in a the Church Lady voice) that’s just not nice, since the real question is...
WHERE THE F@#K IS THE OZ MAP:rofl :D
On another note...
Here is a good example of how small the BB community is - The other night I was on range with a fellow knight, I forget his name, I mentioned that I was excited about the Oz map. He replied, "What is the Oz map?" lolh. And no, he was not a noob.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Overlag, you have KEEN powers of perception;
thanks ;)
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Thanks Raptor :D :cool: :aok
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Lol TB my reading was not so good yesterday, maybe I was still half asleep.... I skipped the word "bases"
I apologize for the misinterpretation
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meddog you can't leave the knights... if you do I'll find out where you live and do a vulch-TP run on your house .
:p
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So, when we all join the "There's no I in team" Team and we win the war, do we ALL get the free Hawaiian vacation, new car and $50,000 spending money?
Or do just some guys or even one guy get that?
Because every time I've been on the winning "There's no I in team" Team all I ever got was some stupid perk points and the map reset. We were right back where we were before.
Surely, that's not all there is. Right? There's more?
Who gets the dang vacation anyway. It's surely my turn by now.
:confused:
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what toad, you didn't get the money??
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Originally posted by DmdBT
meddog you can't leave the knights... if you do I'll find out where you live and do a vulch-TP run on your house .
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Leaving? Who said anything about leaving. There are way too many bishops and Rooks that I need to instill fear into so that just the sight of a spit causes a level of anxiety never before experienced by mankind.