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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Capt. Pork on March 12, 2004, 08:54:36 PM
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My brother-in-law said he'd rather a nuke go off in DC(he lives in metro area) than live in a police state. My belief that he's a moron was somewhat galvanized, hearing that statement.
But is a police state where we're heading, or where we already are?
Here's a recent article I found somewhat disturbing:
FBI proposal concerning Broadband providers (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4515410/)
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Oh sweet Jesus, what is this thread, miko bait?
With a brother-in-law like that, I bet you wish your sister had been a lesbian?
dago
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Well that makes me a little uncomfortable.
But If It used to catch terroist before they kill more innocent people i could put my civil libertys aside.
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Originally posted by Dago
With a brother-in-law like that, I bet you wish your sister had been a lesbian?
Pretty much. They do have some great kids though. Unsurprisingly, he thinks their both genuises.
Originally posted by LAWCobra
Well that makes me a little uncomfortable.
But If It used to catch terroist before they kill more innocent people i could put my civil libertys aside.
I agree with you there, cobra, but there's gotta be a line somewhere, right? We've got payphones here in the metro area that are marked as tapped right on the handset. This does not bother me at all. In fact, I'm still pretty far from being bothered by any of this. It's what the future holds that's questionable.
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allowing taps on systems and having to reconfigure your system to facilitate this are completely different issues.
a wire-tap with cause is ok (and in the case of certain payphones, they are generally ones that have been used for drug trafficing. so while they may not have probable cause to listen to each person, the argument could be made that they have probable cause for the phone).
but forcing you to set up a system for easy snooping is just too damn much. it's like requiring you to build peep-holes into your house, so that if they feel the need to check up on you they can do it easily.
If someone is going to invade my privacy, or violate my rights, I'd prefer it was as difficult and costly for them as possible.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Well that makes me a little uncomfortable.
But If It used to catch terroist before they kill more innocent people i could put my civil libertys aside.
Wow....
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if they tap my phone they will be very bored or annoyed listening to tel-marketers trying to sell my stuff.
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This is nothing new. They've been doing things like this for at least 9 years that I know of. FBI came into the data center where I used to work and set up a carnivore box in plain sight. The only new spin on this is that they're trying to set it up so that they don't have to leave their office to "tap" in.
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Originally posted by jigsaw
The only new spin on this is that they're trying to set it up so that they don't have to leave their office to "tap" in.
All the exercise must have been really putting a dent into their LDL levels.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Well that makes me a little uncomfortable.
But If It used to catch terroist before they kill more innocent people i could put my civil libertys aside.
Jeez Cobra...that is like saying, "Your 10inch anal probe makes me a little uncomfortable. But if you tell me that it is to stop terrorism, I'll take it up the prettythang." :confused:
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Well that makes me a little uncomfortable.
But If It used to catch terroist before they kill more innocent people i could put my civil libertys aside.
Stupid :rolleyes:
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crow,
that just might be sig material. :rofl
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IM saying POLICE STATE...................look at all thats happening
the Janet incident
Howerd Stern
ect...............
more and more right are taken away every day!
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Well lessee Carnivore been up and running fer bout 10 or so years NSA already moniters all overseas communications and before ya go NO WAY its a program that is set to listen for KEY words think of a scanner only this one covers several acres underground and is vastly faster, since 9/11 they prolly monitore domestic as well
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Well that makes me a little uncomfortable.
But If It used to catch terroist before they kill more innocent people i could put my civil libertys aside.
Those who would give up essential freedoms for security, deserve neither freedom nor security. - Benjamin Franklin
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Well that makes me a little uncomfortable.
But If It used to catch terroist before they kill more innocent people i could put my civil libertys aside.
It is easy to think that way I think, far too easy. If each of us takes more responsibility for what happens around us, not only just to us, but to our neighbors also, the need for giving up anything decreases.
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No big deal.
Now that the modes of communication are changing from telephones to VoIP, etc, etc, the Feds need access to these new systems. As the Feds gain more access to these new systems, we don't need to feel any more encroached than we currently do when we pick up a telephone & dial.
However, we should make Cheney & Bush pay for it out of their own pockets.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Well lessee Carnivore been up and running fer bout 10 or so years NSA already moniters all overseas communications and before ya go NO WAY its a program that is set to listen for KEY words think of a scanner only this one covers several acres underground and is vastly faster, since 9/11 they prolly monitore domestic as well
Yup theres an Echelon base in NZ, just down by blenheim. Its the probably worst kept secret the US has. But I think Echelon is fairly old, based on RF technologies more than anything else?
As for monitoring the Intardnet, I could have a "tap" on your broadband access ohhhh in about 1 min at the ISPs dslam with a hub and a laptop. I could be sitting there with a readily available piece of public software dissecting practically all your traffic (cept the encrypted stuff) at the touch of a button.
ISPs have to do diddily-squat for this to happen. Listening to your traffic, seeing what you're doing, is far far easier than what many of you think.
Get your self something like IRIS, and go down to your local Public WiFi spot and have a sniff, and laugh at how much you can see.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Yup theres an Echelon base in NZ, just down by blenheim. Its the probably worst kept secret the US has. But I think Echelon is fairly old, based on RF technologies more than anything else?
As for monitoring the Intardnet, I could have a "tap" on your broadband access ohhhh in about 1 min at the ISPs dslam with a hub and a laptop. I could be sitting there with a readily available piece of public software dissecting practically all your traffic (cept the encrypted stuff) at the touch of a button.
ISPs have to do diddily-squat for this to happen. Listening to your traffic, seeing what you're doing, is far far easier than what many of you think.
Get your self something like IRIS, and go down to your local Public WiFi spot and have a sniff, and laugh at how much you can see.
Do it all the time at starbucks and in my own neighborhood. Finally told my neighbors about it and how to close alotta of the access:rofl :aok
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Should not be hard to overload their system. Just send alot of emails with the words that are on their list....not to hard to guess what those are.
They would have to manually look at all mails containing those "bad" words to make sure they dont miss anything.
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Christ, I hope they don't tap me.
I use at least 10 "Key" words a phone conversation.
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Originally posted by Nilsen10
They would have to manually look at all mails containing those "bad" words to make sure they dont miss anything.
Next natural step is ofcourse ban the use of those keywords.
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Originally posted by boxboy28
IM saying POLICE STATE...................look at all thats happening
the Janet incident
Howerd Stern
ect...............
more and more right are taken away every day!
ROTFLMAO......Increased the fine for indecency...was $12,000, they just paid the fine as a business expense. It was increased to $500,000 now it's a police state, they creak me up more every day.
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lol Tuomio :D
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Under the FBI's proposal, Internet companies would bear "sole financial responsibility for development and implementation of CALEA solutions" but would be authorized to raise prices to cover their costs.
That's just what businesses need, another unfunded mandate from our government. What are they waiting for? Just go ahead and rescind the entire bill of rights and be done with already. :mad:
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they'll send the Terminator back in time, he'll turn out ot be a good guy and they'll stop the police state before it happens and the robots will not take over the world :rolleyes:
on the other hand, if any of this causes the CT to get warpy (er), I will be MAD!:mad: :lol
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Well that makes me a little uncomfortable.
But If It used to catch terroist before they kill more innocent people i could put my civil libertys aside.
Then you are a facist.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
My brother-in-law said he'd rather a nuke go off in DC(he lives in metro area) than live in a police state. [/URL]
Tell your brother you'll be glad to come over next Friday and bludgeon him to death. It'll be much less painful than the lingering effects of radiation poisoning. Just make sure he updates his will to give you a cut of his estate.
Now, don't get me wrong here. His argument would carry more weight if he'd said "I'd rather have you come over and shove a hydraulic jack up my leather cheerio (and work the handle) than have the government tap my AOL mailbox. In fact, in order to protect my freedom, I'll drop my drawers right now and bend over. There's a jack in the toolbox of my truck."
(http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/1441_lg.jpg)
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Originally posted by gofaster
Tell your brother you'll be glad to come over next Friday and bludgeon him to death. It'll be much less painful than the lingering effects of radiation poisoning. Just make sure he updates his will to give you a cut of his estate.
Now, don't get me wrong here. His argument would carry more weight if he'd said "I'd rather have you come over and shove a hydraulic jack up my leather cheerio (and work the handle) than have the government tap my AOL mailbox. In fact, in order to protect my freedom, I'll drop my drawers right now and bend over. There's a jack in the toolbox of my truck."
(http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/1441_lg.jpg)
I second that! I would rather shove a jack up your cheerio than lose my freedoms too ... :D j/k
Unfortunately, losing your freedoms is easier than getting them back. Usually, it takes a lot of blood and serious government reconstruction.