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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on March 14, 2004, 07:06:02 PM
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Will pic upon request.
Larry, 55 year old neighbor 1 house down the street, drove up in my driveway with a new 2004 WRX, stick, 300 hp Turbo. Porta Potty blue with a wing big enough to get a Cessna 150 airborn. Going driving next week end, he'll do time in my car, I'll do time in his on the back country roads around this area. Will post my results :D:D
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is the standard wrx going to 300hp in 2k4 or are you talking about the STi?
I like the Subarus but when it comes down to the two 'rally' cars we can get in the states, I'm all about the Evolution. Always loved the look of them. Wish I could get an older one (like a III) imported someday.
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Originally posted by moose
is the standard wrx going to 300hp in 2k4 or are you talking about the STi?
I like the Subarus but when it comes down to the two 'rally' cars we can get in the states, I'm all about the Evolution. Always loved the look of them. Wish I could get an older one (like a III) imported someday.
I believe this is the STi, dunno, haven't researched them other than comments on BBS's (like 'shat my pants when I hit second gear!')
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300 hp and the big wing, that's the STi. 2.5l motor, big turbo, variable valve timing, active center diff, front and rear limited slip, intercooler water injection. Wing is for FIA Group N homologation, just like all the other aero doodads. I want pics. :)
Evos are cool but the US version is missing some important bits.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Porta Potty blue with a wing big enough to get a Cessna 150 airborn.
lol This the bugger, Rip?
(http://www.live2cruize.com/Tech/Subaru/Impreza_WRX_STi_2003/wrxsti03_01.jpg)
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Funny thing is BMW copied that blue on the new M3. :aok
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300 hp a 2.5. I'm sure it's quick but with that many horses out of such a litlle mill.. wonder how many times it could really get runnin fast til it fails. I've run into a couple of ricers.. never an STi... I keep looking.
I'm old fashiined I guess... why make it a 4 door?
Edit: If it's the same blue as in Saur's picture... it really is a pretty color. Man I bet that thing would look cool in a 2 door.
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I've ridden in the back seat, the reason it's a 4-door is because it's surprisingly roomy. Even with 4 people in the car (2 of them pretty dang heavy), the acceleration was jaw dropping and the cornering was amazing.
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Well, I could have worded it better, sorry. I meant that, IMHO, it would be a pretty striking car in 2 door. This is just my opinion, if others love the 4 door look, more power to them. I have never been a fan of 4-door sports sedans.
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Originally posted by Steve
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Well, I could have worded it better, sorry. I meant that, IMHO, it would be a pretty striking car in 2 door. This is just my opinion, if others love the 4 door look, more power to them. I have never been a fan of 4-door sports sedans.
For some reason the GD (current model Impreza) comes in 4 door only. The original GC Impreza Turbo (WRX) came in 2 door and 4 door. The 2 door looked really cool. They sold a car with the same bodywork in the US as the Impreza 2.5 RS from 1999-2001.
Also, I haven't heard of an engine failure on a stock Impreza turbo engine. Some guys who have modified them have blown engines, but usually the tranny goes first.
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Is that wing even remotely useful? Usually they arent on FWD ricers but this is a AWD so I'm nut sure...
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Thanks for the info, Funked. :)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Is that wing even remotely useful? Usually they arent on FWD ricers but this is a AWD so I'm nut sure...
The wing is there for Group N racing. They put it on the street cars due to homologation requirements. I don't know if it makes a difference or not on the street. Probably only if you are driving over 100 mph or so.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
lol This the bugger, Rip?
Yep, thats it. I'll try to get some pics tonight.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Is that wing even remotely useful? Usually they arent on FWD ricers but this is a AWD so I'm nut sure...
It is the design of the wing that makes the difference rather than the drive-train platform. On the STi it is effective at lower speeds...well, if you consider 50-60mph lower.
Rip, set the DCCD to give as much power to the rear wheels as possible (36/64) when you are not doing launches...that will help a little with understeer, which is quite noticeable in the STi.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Funny thing is BMW copied that blue on the new M3. :aok
Estoril (96+) and Laguna Seca (01+) dont look anything like it and Avus has been around since 1995.
The only color that comes close is Topaz blue and I wouldnt say its a match.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Estoril (96+) and Laguna Seca (01+) dont look anything like it and Avus has been around since 1995.
The only color that comes close is Topaz blue and I wouldnt say its a match.
Damn, you know your bimmer colors (by name) better than I! You sure you're not a closet bimmer owner?
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
(http://www.live2cruize.com/Tech/Subaru/Impreza_WRX_STi_2003/wrxsti03_01.jpg)
Just the other day I was telling my brother "you know, if I could find a sports car big enough for two grown men and their golf cart bags (including the woods) I might consider buying it."
How big is the trunk in that thing? Rear seats fold down?
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Originally posted by crowMAW
It is the design of the wing that makes the difference rather than the drive-train platform. On the STi it is effective at lower speeds...well, if you consider 50-60mph lower.
But whats the point of a big ole wing lifting up the front wheels on a FWD car?
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The wings can offer stability at higher speeds... front wheel drive or not. The Audi TT showed this as did the new Volkswagen Beetle. Both had to have wings added after initial design due to high speed handling issues.
The gent in the office next to mine has one of the WRX STi's. He says he's gonna buy a new rear deck and put the fin away. It rides right in the middle of the review mirror. He also refers to it as his "Winter car" (throw away car). But then... he's just a silly Canadian.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Damn, you know your bimmer colors (by name) better than I! You sure you're not a closet bimmer owner?
Rip, my daily driver is an 02 330. ;)
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We don't believe until you show us a pic of your garages floor.
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Originally posted by Staga
We don't believe until you show us a pic of your garages floor.
I doubt he has kids where the kids use the garage as a bonus room in the winter months. ;)
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I dub thee Ricesnort. :)
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GRUNHERZ
The STI isnt FWD it is AWD, and you can adjust how much power goes to the rear wheels up to 65% of it i believe.
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Love that car. Still prefer the old Impreza Turbo 2000 with the bar headlamps though. I can see that version becoming a bit of a modern classic - the one with the round headlamps don't seem to sell as well and are cheaper too (all things being roughly equal).
The Evo is a roomy car as well. Been in an EVO VII with 4 adults at 140 mph, and around tight corners at 70 mph (round-a-bouts). Never felt unsafe.
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Awww man all this talk about Subies is making me horny. Gonna go drive Palomares (http://www.pashnit.com/roads/cal/PalomerasRd.htm) tonight. :)
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Funk,
How's the overall reliability of the WRX? I was thinking about picking one up in about a year.
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My buddie has had his STI for like 6 months, no problems. Nor would I expect them this soon.
BAD bellybutton car.
It will be interesting to see what you think Rip.
If I bought one I would **** can the big wing, and scoop, and put all the standard WRX stuff on it...... lol Ricesleeper!
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Personally, I measure reliability in the hundred thousand mark. If by 100,000 miles, I've had no major break downs, its reliable.(This doesn't include normal wear parts like brakes, tires, etc.)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Awww man all this talk about Subies is making me horny. Gonna go drive Palomares (http://www.pashnit.com/roads/cal/PalomerasRd.htm) tonight. :)
If you ever come down this way you gotta do the Ortega Highway.
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Originally posted by pugg666
Funk,
How's the overall reliability of the WRX? I was thinking about picking one up in about a year.
It's very good. The body style was new for 2002, but the EJ20T motor and AWD drive train and the suspension are well proven through 10 years of development. The motor and drive train are used all over the world in Group N rallying which is a pretty good test of durability.
In the WRX online community we have several guys over 100k already with no problems, even guys with modified cars and guys who auto-x, track, rally, etc.
I have 30 something k miles. The only mech. problem I have had is a clutch shudder which is covered under TSB/warranty. It only affects '02 cars.
There are a lot of stories of transmission failures, but those invariably involve modified engines. The stock tranny is only good for about 300-325 hp. The STi has a different tranny (6 speed) which will handle a lot more power. If there is a weak point of the standard WRX it is the 5 speed transmission.
There are some engine failure stories too, but again it seems to be the guys who modify the motor, especially the guys who try to run a lot more boost without upgrading internals.
I also hear of problems with (plastic) rear anti roll bar endlinks cracking and with the steering rack bushings cracking. I think this might be a symptom of guys with lowered cars though.
Everything else seems to hold up pretty well. For a car with 3 differentials, 5 driveshafts, 8 CV joints, 4 camshafts, and three radiators, I'm pretty impressed.
Supposedly they can get rattly with age but mine is still solid. It's pretty quiet other than tire and engine noise, despite the fact that there is almost none of the (heavy) sound insulation material you see on the high end brands.
The metal parts are really robust, but they went with really light stuff as far as plastic stuff to save weight. One of my fender liners is starting to crack. That stuff is cheap to replace though.
A lot of guys whine about paint chips but I'm not seeing anything worse than other cars I have owned.
PS some more nitpicky stuff:
- Stock brakes could fade on 8/10ths mountain driving, like repeatedly going to 80mph then down to 25mph and back up again. When I did pads and fluid (30k miles) I went to slotted rotors, stainless steel brake lines, and some high temperature pads. Problem solved.
- It uses a little oil. ~1 qt per 5k miles. I'm keeping an eye on that. I'm told it's normal if you drive "on the boost" too much, and I'm guilty of that. No leaks at all, it's what they call "blowby".
- 1st gear synchro very stiff. You pretty much need to double-declutch to get 1st when rolling. I think they chose durability over ease of use here.
- Very little sound insulation + Lots of gears and shafts = Strange noises. Some people are put off by this at first. I kind of enjoy it, but then I am a nerd wannabee rally dude. :)
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Originally posted by Steve:
I'm sure it's quick but with that many horses out of such a litlle mill
The specs coming out of some mag is that it turns mid-13s in the 1/4. I could beat the old WRX model, but not this one. Of course, it always comes down to the driver in the end.
Supercharged is the way to go!
:aok
(2000 GP GTP with some mods. Haven't lost to a ricer yet)
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Stony I guarantee I can beat you by 3 car lengths from any stoplight.*
*If there is a foot of snow on the ground. :D
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Originally posted by pugg666
Funk,
How's the overall reliability of the WRX? I was thinking about picking one up in about a year.
FWIW, you can use JD's website for one of many that rank reliability:
http://www.jdpower.com/auto/jdpa_ratings/FindJdAwards.jsp
I've used many sources, they all vary slightly but most are consistent with one another regarding specific reliability within reason.(Note, this is not saying their data concerning a specific model is reliable, I'm only saying that most of their data is consistent with one another. If its ranked low for a Ford Taurus at JD, its ranked low at Consumer Reports, that is not to say that some owners have relatively few problems. )
One more thing, recalls are not a good way to measure reliability, since just about every car made has some sort of recall (Seems to be the norm these days, worry about quality once its off the factory floor to meet your deadline) but they're certainly worth looking up and knowing what you plan to buy has been checked, and acted upon, on any outstanding recalls, you can do that here:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/recallsearch.cfm
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Originally posted by Funked:
Stony I guarantee I can beat you by 3 car lengths from any stoplight
And what are you driving? If it's the old WRX, maybe if the light's are 100 yards apart. In the 1/4 mile, you will lose. If the lights have some distance between them, you'll lose. I raced one of the old WRXs and he lost(between lights). I saw an older one at the track and the best he could turn was high 15s and low 16s. Our course, he probably wasn't a very good driver.
Punt!
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Consumer Reports has the best reliability info by far. It's worth subscribing if you are in the market for a new car.
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2stony read the fine print.
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Ah, I see it now. Of course, if there were a foot of snow on the ground, I'd be racing with my Jeep.
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No fair. :)
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Went and test drove one today:D
LOL that car will just plain leave your nutt's in the back seat.:aok
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Originally posted by 2stony
Ah, I see it now. Of course, if there were a foot of snow on the ground, I'd be racing with my Jeep.
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I once told the security guard at work I'd race him for pinks but I pick the place. He didnt know they I drove a Jeep and the track was gonna be an offroad test sight. :)
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Originally posted by 2stony
Supercharged is the way to go!
:aok
(2000 GP GTP with some mods. Haven't lost to a ricer yet)
Im not ricer, but i would put some money on a race with yas ;)
(Chrysler Sebring)
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Originally posted by WldThing:
Im not ricer, but i would put some money on a race with yas
Chrysler Sebring? If you're stock, you're toast. What do those run the 1/4 in? The hp ratings I've seen are 200 stock. Unless you've done a bunch of mods to your car, you are definately toast. A stock Sebring would be lucky to get in the low 16s.
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Originally posted by 2stony
Originally posted by Funked:
And what are you driving? If it's the old WRX, maybe if the light's are 100 yards apart. In the 1/4 mile, you will lose. If the lights have some distance between them, you'll lose. I raced one of the old WRXs and he lost(between lights). I saw an older one at the track and the best he could turn was high 15s and low 16s. Our course, he probably wasn't a very good driver.
Punt!
There's not an "old version" of the WRX in the US. You're probably seeing the 2.5 RS. They had all the WRX bodywork and suspension but no turbo. 15 to 16 sec car.
WRX is a mid-low 14's car unless it's an auto.
STi is about a sec quicker.
That's assuming the driver doesn't suck though. :)
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PS Be wary of the Forester XT. C/D did a 13.8 sec 1/4 mile. It's not your father's station wagon LOL.
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Originally posted by 2stony
Originally posted by WldThing:
Chrysler Sebring? If you're stock, you're toast. What do those run the 1/4 in? The hp ratings I've seen are 200 stock. Unless you've done a bunch of mods to your car, you are definately toast. A stock Sebring would be lucky to get in the low 16s.
WoW way off mate, I wish the Sebring came with 200 HP STOCK, its more like 170 HP and around 145 at the wheel.. Pretty sad actually.. The quarter mile for it is High 17 lmao..
But no MY sebring is exceptionally well modded, upwards of 20-25k .. Thats including Kits, interior modifications, Engine work, etc..
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Sorry Funked, he's not home yet. Those McDonald execs work long hours.
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Originally posted by Funked1:
WRX is a mid-low 14's car unless it's an auto
That's the one I'm talking about. The guy at the track that day couldn't break out of the high 15s. I've raced one before and he got me off the line, but that was about it. GTPs have really good low-mid range and they pull a ton when the S.C. kicks in.
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Originally posted by WldThing:
its more like 170 HP and around 145 at the wheel
And you want to race my GTP with it?
:rofl
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Originally posted by 2stony
Originally posted by Steve:
The specs coming out of some mag is that it turns mid-13s in the 1/4. I could beat the old WRX model, but not this one. Of course, it always comes down to the driver in the end.
Supercharged is the way to go!
:aok
(2000 GP GTP with some mods. Haven't lost to a ricer yet)
Wouldn't turn mid 13's if you shot it out out a cannon....the only thing I'd be curious about is if it hit a possum' which one would die first.
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Originally posted by 2stony
Originally posted by WldThing:
And you want to race my GTP with it?
:rofl
Uhmmm ...
Originally posted by WldThing
But no MY sebring is exceptionally well modded, upwards of 20-25k .. Thats including Kits, interior modifications, Engine work, etc..
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Originally posted by weaselsan
Wouldn't turn mid 13's if you shot it out out a cannon....the only thing I'd be curious about is if it hit a possum' which one would die first.
BAD TROLL!
BAD TROLL!
BACK IN YER CAGE!!!
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Good job with the mods Stony :)
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Weasel, I didn't post that!
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IIRC, WT's car is pretty far from 'stock.' The friggen thing doesnt even look like the car its based off of anymore.
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Ok, you spent a bunch of money on your car, but what kind of performance do you have? 1/4 mile time & speed at the gate?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But whats the point of a big ole wing lifting up the front wheels on a FWD car?
A rear wing is not just to allow power to get to the ground on a car that drives the rear wheels. Most cars have the problem of rear lift above 50mph (just ask Audi TT owners before the Kamm Spoiler was added in a recall). For a FWD car, with a huge front weight bias, that lift just makes the back-end more squirly in a turn. A rear wing adds downforce and give some stability back.
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I always liked sebrings(good lookin car imho)... but hate front wheel drive cars... aren't Sebrings front wheel drive?
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Yep.
(http://www.google.com/images/logo.gif)
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Originally posted by Steve
I always liked sebrings(good lookin car imho)... but hate front wheel drive cars... aren't Sebrings front wheel drive?
The GTP is FWD too. They will have a cool race and do gnarly one wheel FWD burnouts with their open diffs. :D
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GTP? Sebring? what is the difference between them and ricers? look the same.... sound the same and .... as funked points out... do those cool one front wheel burnouts.
lazs
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Ok, you spent a bunch of money on your car, but what kind of performance do you have? 1/4 mile time & speed at the gate?
13.3 Seconds at 110 MPH in the Quarter Mile.
And these speeds arent totally correct since i have broken my Axel's numerous times on the launch..
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huh? either you got through the quarter (and the speeds are correct) or not?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
GTP? Sebring? what is the difference between them and ricers? look the same.... sound the same and .... as funked points out... do those cool one front wheel burnouts.
lazs
Well everyone has their own definition of rice and mine is...
My personal definition of 'rice' would be anything, that makes a vehicle (car, plane, truck, SUV, bicycle, go-cart, motorcycle... etc...) look completely and utterly stupid. That includes, things that make it have the appearance of speediness, yet lack the ability to be fast..
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Originally posted by WldThing:
13.3 Seconds at 110 MPH in the Quarter Mile
Nice run! Do you even have the same motor in it? You must have put in a new cam, different throttle body, CAI, maybe pistons, etc., cause the stock ones might run in the 16s. What kind of 60ft. are you getting. My best 60ft. is around 2.07.
:aok
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I demand time slips. :)
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Oringinally posted by Funked1:
I demand time slips
I didn't say what mine were, but I do have my time slips.
:)
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Originally posted by 2stony
Originally posted by WldThing:
Nice run! Do you even have the same motor in it? You must have put in a new cam, different throttle body, CAI, maybe pistons, etc., cause the stock ones might run in the 16s. What kind of 60ft. are you getting. My best 60ft. is around 2.07.
:aok
Thanks, O heck no, if i left my 2.5L motor in the engine it would have blown a while ago.. I swapped in a 3.0L engine, but now im thinking of swappin in a 3.5L for this summers project. Im not sure on the 60 ft run, last time i ran my car was back in July- August.. Been in the garage this winter.
BTW if you want me to post my Modifications back up i can..
P.S id still buy an Sti :D Nothing rides like an All Wheel Drive car, plus the WRX's are lighter than my Bring.
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Originally posted by lazs2:
huh? either you got through the quarter
Yes, I've run mine several times in the quarter. My best/most recent run is a 14.2 at 98+ mph. My mods are as follows:
MSP CAI with 9" K&N
Throttle body spacer
U-bend removal(a fix for a messed up exhaust idea by Pontiac)
Front & Rear strut tower braces
All those mods are "bolt-ons". No internal mods at all.
Also originally posted by lazs2:
GTP? Sebring? what is the difference between them and ricers? look the same.... sound the same
Not even lazs2. First of all I don't have(and I think WldThing doesn't have) a fart can sticking out behind my car. Also, I don't have a 2 foot high wing that serves no purpose, and most importantly, I don't have a bunch of stickers on my car for mods that haven't been done(typical ricer dress up idea). Now, my 1965 Impala SS 409, 4-speed, "that was a car". That sucker had h.p. and torque to match. :aok :aok
Get a clue about cars lazs2 and then bring something of value to the conversation.
:rolleyes:
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Stony!
Did you just tell laz to get a clue about cars???
THAT IS TOOOOO FUNY!!!!
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Originally posted by 2stony
Get a clue about cars lazs2 and then bring something of value to the conversation.
:rolleyes:
Uh oh...
LOL
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** sits down in a comfy lawn chair next to the keg.**
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LOL, lazs getting a clue about cars...now that is the most uninformed comment i have seen on this bbs.
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2stony
Do you like guns? Don't you think .44 magnums are overated and only old guys like them?
:D
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Originally posted by 2stony
Yes, I've run mine several times in the quarter. My best/most recent run is a 14.2 at 98+ mph. My mods are as follows:
MSP CAI with 9" K&N
Throttle body spacer
U-bend removal(a fix for a messed up exhaust idea by Pontiac)
Front & Rear strut tower braces
All those mods are "bolt-ons". No internal mods at all.
Not even lazs2. First of all I don't have(and I think WldThing doesn't have) a fart can sticking out behind my car. Also, I don't have a 2 foot high wing that serves no purpose, and most importantly, I don't have a bunch of stickers on my car for mods that haven't been done(typical ricer dress up idea). Now, my 1965 Impala SS 409, 4-speed, "that was a car". That sucker had h.p. and torque to match. :aok :aok
:rolleyes:
Very nice time without any other Modifications, always knew those GTP's were damn fast!
I dont have a fart can on my car, but i do have a quite a few SPONSOR decals on my car since they do pay partially for some of the mod's on my car. I dont have a NOS decal on the car without actually having the NOS installed.. Thats just plain ricer.
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I've got NOS(never used) but no sticker......I'm backwards?
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WldThing,
The nice thing about the GTPs is all you have to do is put on a smaller pully and it's an instant 30-40 hp increase. There are a few guys with GTPs running in the high 11s and low 12s, but at that point, you have to put in a different quaife, run slicks, cam, rockers, etc. I haven't put the smaller pully on mine because it's still a daily driver(92k miles). As you probably know, you have to learn how to launch a front wheel drive car, but once you do, you'll be ok.
:cool:
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11s and 12s from a front wheel drive heavy car?
Hehehe... I guess I need to get a clue about cars too.
MiniD
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Drove a friends new WRX, and I was amazed. You hit that gear right and it will put you in yer seat... :D
Sticks to road like glue too. I might look into one in the near future here, and show the younger punks how things work. :D
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Originally posted by 2stony
Get a clue about cars lazs2 and then bring something of value to the conversation.
:rolleyes:
I still have pics of Lazs' cars, lookie Here (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/2002_0331_005738AA.jpg).
Thanks for the laughs :aok
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El Camino is one damn ugly car...
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someone... or a bunch of someones.... are/is paying you to run a car in the 13's wildthing? Guess I really do need to learn about cars.
Do you think my elky would look ok to you if I painted the steering wheel red and plastered a bunch of decals all over the car? Maybe if I yanked out a few plug wires I could get into the 13's but nothin I can do about both back tires smoking.
My Healey is kinda small tho (sorry rear wheel drive posi) so maybe you could give me some of those neato modern styling cues so that I could get the admiring glances from the fast and furious crowd like you do?
lazs
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wildthing wrote:
El Camino is one damn ugly car...
A discerning person might note that this would make it an admirable match for lazs...
On another note, I saw funked's WRX last year. My original impression was that it was a Dodge Neon with a lot of stickers on it.
Hooligan
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wildthing probly doesn't even know what a 69 el camino looks like.
and... have you seen his car?
lazs
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Why would you spend $25k on a Sebring?
That's about as bad as these idiots I see with $3k worth of wheels and tires on a '80 Caprice Classic.
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Maybe its just me, but if I had to chose to ride around in
This (http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/i/aic/b/04/sebrin13.jpg)
Or
This (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/2002_0331_005738AA.jpg)
The classic Musclecar is going to win. Hell I bet 99% of car people would side with me on this one. I only thought Senior citizens bought sebrings...
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Originally posted by Staga:
Thanks for the laughs
Hey Staga, lazs2 is the one that was calling WldThing's Sebring and my Grand Prix ricers. That "spouting" initially told me he didn't know much about cars. Just because he has an Austin Healey and an El Camino, doesn't mean he knows a lot. I've only owned one foreign car in my life and that was a 1979 Honda Civic. Here's a list of "domestic" cars I've owned over the years.
64 Impala SS
65 GTO
64 Olds Cutlass
62 Bel Air
79 Ford Econoline
66 Chevy van
47 Plymouth
54 Ford
65 Impala SS
64 Nova
69 Riviera
80 Jeep CJ5
61 Chevy 3/4 ton
88 Grand Prix
54 Bel Air
94 Jeep Cherokee
00 Grand Prix GTP
My car doesn't have any stickers, no fancy wheels and no ricer crap on it. My mods cost about $400 all together, and they're functional, not window dressing.
"Buy domestic"!!!
:cool:
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Originally posted by Hooligan
On another note, I saw funked's WRX last year. My original impression was that it was a Dodge Neon with a lot of stickers on it.
Yeah but how many Neons have "vote from the rooftops" stickers?
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I always liked El Camino's... wife "put her foot down", said I'd have to sell the 'vette.. "one moneypit on wheels is enough".
spent a ton of money(for me) on the vette... no Camino for me.
Lazs.. take me for a spin sometime? I promise to cry with my head hanging out the window.
Bagging on another mans car, unless it a ricer, seems..... over the line. You guys may want to meet in the desert and settle this.. only one walks out. Or, you could just stop the madness!
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The Healey is too small for me to fit in.
The Elky is like having an entire NASCAR grid driving around in your skull. I'm told that there was tire smoke and I got a bit sideways but my vision had narrowed to a small circle the size of a walnut so I couldn't really tell.
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Never been a big fun of Japanese Turbos, I know WRX's etc handle great with power etc but imho I prefer cubes over turbos. Though I did watch a WRX scream past a Posche the other day while the Porsche was overtaking a long line of traffic which was fun to watch.
Though for me personally the onyl car to own is a Jeep, I've always wanted/dreamed of owning one and now I finally do. Though the $$$ on extras and especially shipping cosuts is starting to hurt.
For speed there is only one, and that's a superbike. For racing,track days, passing WRX's in 3 rd gear and drifting around corners. When you have something that has more HP then weight you know it's going to be exciting. Especially in a V-Twin. :D
Of course for pure insanity I enjoy speedway singles and sidecards on bikes. Think in states it's refered to as flat tracking.
Just my two cents. Some awsome rides pictured in the posts.
...-Gixer
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Well I'm quite sure I'd enjoy a ride in a 468cid Camino with 6-speed Richmond (IIRC, correct if wrong).
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I used to be a 'There's no replacement for displacement' guy too, but I've seen some pretty amazing things done with japanese cars.
Regarding the ultimate acceleration, I have to second the bike comment. My Suzuki Bandit 1200 is a mid-range sport/standard bike and it can do 0-60 in around 2 seconds. And THAT'S not the fastest bike by far.
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Laz needs to do a best of both worlds thing, drop in low comression pistons, and then install a pair of turboes. I saw them do it with some Pontiac in one of the mags, lol.
They showed pics of one that was supposed to be running 1200 HP?
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"I've seen some pretty amazing things done with japanese cars"
I know it's amazing how many subs they can fit into such a small space. :D
...-Gixer
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I found the link!
Twin Turbo 61 Pontiac!! (http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/features/0202hpp_twinturbo/index.html)
(http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/features/0202hpp_twinturbo03_zoom.jpg)
(http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/features/0202hpp_twinturbo05_zoom.jpg)
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Chairboy This (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/moped.jpg) was visiting at my work at last autumn... I heard it was quite fast, too :)
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2stony... I don't believe I ever said anything to you. My comment was to wildthing because I did not understand how he got a certain quarter mile time but it should have been better except he broke axles? that doesn't make since.. you break an axle and you don't get a time. I have no idea what your car looks like and even if you told me what it was I probly still couldn't pick it out of ten other jap cars the same color.
I rode in funked's wrx/neon... It is fast... it is faster than a lot of the muscle cars were back in the day and it is comfortable and it handles and it has airconditioning and will cruise at 100mph for a couple of years on a tank of gas probly.
My car is loud and it jars ya and bangs your head on the back and side windows and makes obnoxious fumes from tires and gets 10 mpg and such.. but it does have a vintage air air conditoning system and it is fairly easy to find in a parking lot.
The Healey is just a toy for getting a lot of attention... nothing to interest you serious fast and furious types. Can't even break into the 11's with street tires... well.. maybe the 11's but not the 10's.. Lots of old antique stuff on it that would make you techno boys laugh.
lazs
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I'm smiling loud :rofl
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Speaking of Neons, the 04 SRT-4's have 15 more hp (230) and they finally put a limited slip in it. That's the one (new) domestic car I would be interested in other than the Z06.
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FUNKED1
But does it come with a color coded purse?
Jeeez! A neon?
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Originally posted by lazs2
someone... or a bunch of someones.... are/is paying you to run a car in the 13's wildthing? Guess I really do need to learn about cars.
Do you think my elky would look ok to you if I painted the steering wheel red and plastered a bunch of decals all over the car? Maybe if I yanked out a few plug wires I could get into the 13's but nothin I can do about both back tires smoking.
My Healey is kinda small tho (sorry rear wheel drive posi) so maybe you could give me some of those neato modern styling cues so that I could get the admiring glances from the fast and furious crowd like you do?
lazs
Did i tell you, you need to learn about cars? Nobody is paying me, im doing all the work, the crap in my car doesnt come free or cheap, i had to pay almost half or more than half for some of the stuff in the car.
Jeez, it's called respect for someone elses hobby, learn it Lazs.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Maybe its just me, but if I had to chose to ride around in
This (http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/i/aic/b/04/sebrin13.jpg)
Or
This (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/2002_0331_005738AA.jpg)
The classic Musclecar is going to win. Hell I bet 99% of car people would side with me on this one. I only thought Senior citizens bought sebrings...
If you dont know what my sebring looks like dont care to comment, i have put endless amount of work into my car.. You telling me that you like Muscle cars over my car doesnt hurt my feelings at all. Im just saying something like looks like HALF CAR - HALF truck doesnt catch my eye at all.
My original Sebring: (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/99_1079561594_a11.jpg)
After some mods: Engine bay, etc..
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/99_1079561755_a13.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/99_1079561651_a12.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/99_1079561532_a2.jpg)
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Originally posted by lazs2
wildthing probly doesn't even know what a 69 el camino looks like.
and... have you seen his car?
lazs
Yeah i have seen that car and rode in that car, Peace of crap. My opinion of course.
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looks like a full page add for JC Whitney.
lazs
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I'm sorry but... could you have possibly put more bolt on/clip on purple stuff on the thing?
hopefully someone will buy it in ten years or so and restore it. Probly only cost em about 25K.
lazs
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This is almost as gay as the Funksnort WRX vs 330 bashing threads.
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Wldthing
Have you been featured on Ricecop.com? (http://www.ricecop.com/)
If not you should be, fast or not I think your car fits, it is not just imports anymore!
:eek:
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Wldthing
Have you been featured on Ricecop.com? (http://www.ricecop.com/)
If not you should be, fast or not I think your car fits, it is not just imports anymore!
:eek:
Well im sure ill take your advice ONCE you know what the hell ricer even means Ok sir?
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Please, from the pics your car looks so Ricy/cheesy I am sure most people who see it are going to think Honda??huh?
I live in ricerland I see them everyday, the only thing that sets you apart right now is the lack of dents.
Rice does not mean Japanese car, it means Tacky&Slow car. You car may be fast, but the tacky factor is way into the rice zone..... Post some more pics, maybe the ones you posted do not do it justice.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
This is almost as gay as the Funksnort WRX vs 330 bashing threads.
I dont consider this bashing.. Never really cared what people thought of my car, as long as i see ALL of them in the rear view mirror i could care less.. It's not how much smoke or sound your cars puts out that makes your car go fast.
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That's a nice car wldthng... what track do you race it at? I mean... other than the drag strip... cause it might be fast but you've made it impractical for drag racing.... or at least you've slowed it some with some of the additions.
P.S. Technically... that's what riceboy means. Adding things to make your car look faster. Doesn't matter if it's really fast or not, some of that stuff is not functional and only ads weight and resistance. Basically... the wheels, the front spoiler, the tail, the side skirts... well... you're whole exterior and half of your interior (by the looks of it).
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
That's a nice car wldthng... what track do you race it at? I mean... other than the drag strip... cause it might be fast but you've made it impractical for drag racing.... or at least you've slowed it some with some of the additions.
P.S. Technically... that's what riceboy means. Adding things to make your car look faster. Doesn't matter if it's really fast or not, some of that stuff is not functional and only ads weight and resistance. Basically... the wheels, the front spoiler, the tail, the side skirts... well... you're whole exterior and half of your interior (by the looks of it).
MiniD
I run at a track here nearby called "Lucky City" its in the Wattburg area.. I've heard some stuff about the raceway down at Pittsburgh, called "pittsburgh raceway park" but its a while drive for me, so we'll see this summer. If you think i do race my car around the city thats very far from the truth, i think its pretty stupid first off all, im not ready to spend my life thinking of the person i killed on accident.
Well what you have to remember Mini'd my car is SHOW and GO .. I use my vehicle as an everyday car in the spring and summer, during these two seasons i visit MANY shows around the country. Ive been to the Philadelphia Show few times, ive also participated at the "Enormis" Car auto show we have here, been down in Pittsburgh once for a Show. Car judges in these shows love cars that have SHOW and GO all in one. All show and no go is a sad mix.
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Originally posted by lazs2:
2stony... I don't believe I ever said anything to you.
Well, indirectly, but yes you did.
Also posted by lazs2:
GTP? Sebring? what is the difference between them and ricers?
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"El Camino is one damn ugly car..."
that's what you said wildthing... and that's ok but... then you go on to demand that I respect the things you have done to your car and "hobby". Kinda hypocritical.
I really wouldn't be able to tell you what kind of car yours is before you told me... If someone had said it was a honda that some kids had "fast and furioused" up... I woulda believed it..
Bet I could beat you in Funked's car. If I spent some time figurin it out and another grand or so.... wouldn't even be close. If I spent 25k (well 50k if half is paid for by sponsors) on any old American muscle car then I sure as hell would have something that ran in the 10's and pulled close to a g in the corners.
And... it wouldn't look like a ricer.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Do you think my elky would look ok to you if I painted the steering wheel red and plastered a bunch of decals all over the car? Maybe if I yanked out a few plug wires I could get into the 13's but nothin I can do about both back tires smoking.
My Healey is kinda small tho (sorry rear wheel drive posi) so maybe you could give me some of those neato modern styling cues so that I could get the admiring glances from the fast and furious crowd like you do?
lazs
Well this is what you said a while back, i guess you were just trying to be a smartarse? As i said something that looks like half truck half car doesnt catch my eye. Do whatever you like to your car its still ugly in my opinion, id rather buy a 65 or 67 Mustang if i was looking for a Muscle car.
And... it wouldn't look like a ricer.
Well remember Lazs my car isnt a Honda, plus would you really have the balls to step up and take me on the track? How many horses are you putting out at the wheels?
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ROTFLMAO!
Wldthing... you're funny. I mean it. There's few things in the world funnier than a ricer that doesn't know when to quit.
MiniD
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Originally posted by WldThing
Well what you have to remember Mini'd my car is SHOW and GO .. I use my vehicle as an everyday car in the spring and summer, during these two seasons i visit MANY shows around the country. Ive been to the Philadelphia Show few times, ive also participated at the "Enormis" Car auto show we have here, been down in Pittsburgh once for a Show. Car judges in these shows love cars that have SHOW and GO all in one. All show and no go is a sad mix.
STOP IT MAN!!!! STOP IT
You need to have someone nearby explain what "ricer" means.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
ROTFLMAO!
Wldthing... you're funny. I mean it. There's few things in the world funnier than a ricer that doesn't know when to quit.
MiniD
Im glad i made you laugh, now to give ya the real definition of ricer for those of you geekalings that sit at the computer and dont know jack about cars..
Ricer is an import car that has external mods with stuff done to the internals, so it looks fast but it's just a poser.
ALL SHOW AND NO GO
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Ok lets define your car, if you say it is not a ricemobile cause it has "go"
How about Tacky waste of money? No, not strong enough.
smurfy nasty purple barney looking pile of dodge ****? Thats getting closer?
Hmm no still not there, about Ugly purple chick repelling pile ricer looking crap?
Hmmm purple tackymobile?
So far I have not found one dude at work who did not laugh at your car...
But hey to each their own right? If you like it its cool :D
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Funked, have you gotten to ride in the SRT-4's yet? Friend has one he hit 12.8x at Thundervalley in Noble, OK. He got a MBC, Blow-off valve, changed wastegate spring tension, and put on some drag radials. Those cars are crazy. I'm thinking about splurging and picking one up. I can get one for about 17k at the local dealer.
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Originally posted by WldThing
Ricer is an import car that has external mods with stuff done to the internals, so it looks fast but it's just a poser.
ALL SHOW AND NO GO[/B]
There used to be a http://www.riceboy.com web site. Everyone would send this guy pictures of riceboy cars. They were great. One of my very favorite cars was a Ferarri 355. Yes, it was a real Ferarri 355 on a riceboy site. Why? Because the owner of this Ferarri had place a "turbo" emblem on his rear deck lid (from a porsche). That is riceboy personified.
It's not about "go", it's about needlessly adding weight to your car to make it look faster. The skirts, the big wheels, the rear spoiler... all needless useless weight. You're hurting 1/4 mile times by having them on your car. That stereo system in the trunk... needless weight and a massive draw on your alternater... resulting in additional work on your engine.
I don't have a problem with show cars. They're cool to look at. But "13.3 1/4 though it may not be accurate because I broke my axles at the launch" is riceboy.
MiniD
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P.S. I drive a mini. It's got about 115 hp. It isn't particularly quick, but good enough for driving down freeways and zipping when I need to. It also handles very well. I think it's perhaps the best commuter car on the market today.
I'll try to avoid dumping an additional 25k into it to try to make it into something it is not. I'll avoid spending entirely more money than is necessary to show I'm willing to throw money away as opposed to recognizing my car is ill suited for the environment I'm trying to force it into.
MiniD
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Also, when trying to establish you're not a riceboy, you need to find something better than "your car is ugly" as a point of contest.
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Originally posted by Munkii
Funked, have you gotten to ride in the SRT-4's yet? Friend has one he hit 12.8x at Thundervalley in Noble, OK. He got a MBC, Blow-off valve, changed wastegate spring tension, and put on some drag radials. Those cars are crazy. I'm thinking about splurging and picking one up. I can get one for about 17k at the local dealer.
I haven't ridden in one yet. Only seen a couple of them around here. They are neat cars, hats off to Dodge for having the balls to do what none of the other Big Three will do. They seem to break a lot but I understand Dodge is very liberal with the warranty, i.e. they fix stuff on modded cars and they will fix stuff that was obviously broken due to racing.
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Sports cars are either RWD or AWD. FWD is teh sUCk.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Ok lets define your car, if you say it is not a ricemobile cause it has "go"
How about Tacky waste of money? No, not strong enough.
smurfy nasty purple barney looking pile of dodge ****? Thats getting closer?
Hmmm purple tackymobile?
ROFLMAO DODGE?!?!?!?! ROFL!!!!
Know your cars before you comment.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Also, when trying to establish you're not a riceboy, you need to find something better than "your car is ugly" as a point of contest.
Ok this is sort of getting old, if your best jab is to say Ricer this ricer that, then dont say anything at all, makes you somewhat smarter. SOMEWHAT..
Now back to my car.. If any of you tough muscle cars boys see me on the street, i'll just hope one of you has the balls to Rev that big engine of yours at me. While your still revving you'll be inhaling the rubber dust ill be leaving behind. Now enough of this, and while im on the subject. The old AH saying applies here in RL too, Let your guns do the talking, or as in the Car world, Let your car do the talking.
FYI i might be able to make it to the Con this year, im still not sure of my schedule.. But one of yas bring your bad boy down ;)
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poor wildthing... take me on the track with your 13.3 ET? Ur kidding right?
How many of my horses are getting to the ground? gee I dunno... guess most of em through my richmond gear six speed are making it to my 12 bolt Posi? how many of your anemic little hamsters are making it to one of your front wheels? My G tech says I am pulling about .87 g with my street dunlops, bilstein shocks and hotchkiss suspension... what are you pulling?
As for your spending all that money (half of it was even yours!) ... sheesh... cry me a river riceboy... I will send you a Chevelle/ElCamino restoration parts book.... heck I bought all that stuff and I didn't make my car look like some gay, color blind puerta rican (not that there is anything wrong with that) built it... geez ..... Why all the guages? not like there is anything other than RPM and fuel to monitor on that thing.
I would love to meet the chumps you talked into paying for half yur "daily driver"...
lazs
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No no laz you dont know about cars.... really...
Wldthing is the man, he KNOWs about cars!
He will like own you or something....
LOL
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Originally posted by lazs2
How many of my horses are getting to the ground? gee I dunno... guess most of em through my richmond gear six speed are making it to my 12 bolt Posi? how many of your anemic little hamsters are making it to one of your front wheels? My G tech says I am pulling about .87 g with my street dunlops, bilstein shocks and hotchkiss suspension... what are you pulling?
Uhmm.... Still havent answered my question, try again!
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Dodge, chryseler, plymouth, are all mopars, they are all basicaly the same ****...
Dude, wildthing, you car is a tacky pile of ****, it may be fast but it is ugly and will always be ugly and tacky.. Again just my opinion. I am sure I am not alone that..
Did not bother to spell check, not worth my time.
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As far as ricer's there's only one Jap Turbo that I have any respect for and that's the Nissan GTR (Godzilla) That thing has amazing performance and handling out of the bag.
BBC Top Gear did a review of it compared to the latest STI and Evo and it blew them away, and he's a big fan of those too. He said it was one of the most awsome cars he had ever driven. And that's comparing it to Diablo's Ferrari's and every other low production supercar.
Of course I'd still rather have my bike :D
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
No no laz you dont know about cars.... really...
Wldthing is the man, he KNOWs about cars!
He will like own you or something....
I bow to your excellent reply!!! Praise the lord...
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Originally posted by lazs2
Why all the guages? not like there is anything other than RPM and fuel to monitor on that thing.
O yeah, why have the gauges..
Stage II TurboStage 9psi
(approximately 235whp)
Precision Turbo Turbocharger
2.25" Mandrel bent turbo manifold with flex section
2.50" Mandrel bent exhaust downpipe with stainless flex section
Etc..............
EDIT: Let me add this to finish off my gauge list for yas LAZS
NOS Direct Port Nitrous Kit, 5040-FI kit.
-NOS Bottle Mounted N2O Gauge.
-NOS Bottle Heater.
-NOS Purge Kit.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/99_1079592253_a9.jpg)
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Originally posted by WldThing
Ok this is sort of getting old, if your best jab is to say Ricer this ricer that, then dont say anything at all, makes you somewhat smarter. SOMEWHAT..
My best jab? No. My best jab would fall completely shy of your own self destructive jabs.Now back to my car.. If any of you tough muscle cars boys see me on the street, i'll just hope one of you has the balls to Rev that big engine of yours at me. While your still revving you'll be inhaling the rubber dust ill be leaving behind. Now enough of this, and while im on the subject. The old AH saying applies here in RL too, Let your guns do the talking, or as in the Car world, Let your car do the talking.
I could just see your victory speach now... "I would have had you if I hadn't broken another axle".
MiniD
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As long as were makin jabs..
So Mini if i ever see your Mini on the track, shall i shift into 2nd gear to pass ya?
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If I see you on the track? Ya. That would be funny... especially the part where you and that extra 500 lbs you've bolted to your car go straight in the first corner.
You can't pretend to know alot about making cars go fast and post those pictures as proof. It just doesn't work. It's totally riceboy. There just isn't any point in denying it.
Lazs sits at the other extreme... he has the fundamental vehicles there and refuses to do much with them outside of engine/hp improvements. Any sane person would have painted that healy guard's red or racing green by now... but not lazs. Not because he can't afford it, simply because he's afraid of being viewed in the same manner you're being viewed right now. You'd think with as old as he is, he'd realize looks don't matter. Though, I must admit its a little less silly to have a chip on your shoulder trying to prove performance really matters if a primered car is turning 11s than it is to have a purple pimpmobile that would turn 13.3s if it weren't breaking axles because of all the added weight.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
If I see you on the track? Ya. That would be funny... especially the part where you and that extra 500 lbs you've bolted to your car go straight in the first corner.
You can't pretend to know alot about making cars go fast and post those pictures as proof. It just doesn't work. It's totally riceboy. There just isn't any point in denying it.
Im sure you can tell me everything i need to know about cars, afterall this is coming from a mini driver..
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Originally posted by WldThing
O yeah, why have the gauges..
Stage II TurboStage 9psi
(approximately 235whp)
Precision Turbo Turbocharger
2.25" Mandrel bent turbo manifold with flex section
2.50" Mandrel bent exhaust downpipe with stainless flex section
Etc..............
EDIT: Let me add this to finish off my gauge list for yas LAZS
NOS Direct Port Nitrous Kit, 5040-FI kit.
-NOS Bottle Mounted N2O Gauge.
-NOS Bottle Heater.
-NOS Purge Kit.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/99_1079592253_a9.jpg)
Holy crap... I missed this one.
As I gaze at your strategic placement of the nitrous bottle, I've realized that I may have errored in my "you don't know much about cars" assessment. I'd officially like to change it to "you don't know much about anything".
P.S. Guages are for guys that go slow enough that taking their eyes off the road isn't a big thing.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Not because he can't afford it, simply because he's afraid of being viewed in the same manner you're being viewed right now.
Well im glad to know he is rich :rolleyes: , Anyways.. All of these opinions are coming from those guys that sit in their house and hardly care to think outside the box, the work that is put into any car rice or not.. Im gladly entertained by all of you turdlings as you make my day richer.. And yet i do wonder how many of you would actually call my car anything beyond an artwork in Real life, now that would be a feat to see..
FYI Mini, its Blue Not Purple.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Holy crap... I missed this one.
As I gaze at your strategic placement of the nitrous bottle, I've realized that I may have errored in my "you don't know much about cars" assessment. I'd officially like to change it to "you don't know much about anything".
P.S. Guages are for guys that go slow enough that taking their eyes off the road isn't a big thing.
Well once you grow up you'll know not to TOUCH the BIG BLUE BOTTLE ok?
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Hey, you tell yourself it's any color that makes you feel more confident. Me... I'm gonna hop in my mini and drive it to work tomorrow. Maybe I'll see ya on the way, nursing the car home with that broken axle.
For now, I'll just leave you to your own devices in this thread. I'd say my work is done, but it wasn't even needed. Carry on riceboy.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
Hey, you tell yourself it's any color that makes you feel more confident. Me... I'm gonna hop in my mini and drive it to work tomorrow. Maybe I'll see ya on the way, nursing the car home with that broken axle.
For now, I'll just leave you to your own devices in this thread. I'd say my work is done, but it wasn't even needed. Carry on riceboy.
MiniD
I only brake axel's over pitty morons like yourself that try to make me prove something to them.
Im not quite sure what you proved in this post, you and a few other folks have tried to Bash with the same "ricer boy" comments and yet none hurt my pride. If your going to try to break my back with your witty comments i suggest to try much harder. Toodle - Doo
P.S Off to bed too, have work in the morning, been a fun chat!
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This is ugly..... aww hell, who am I to talk?
Carry on.
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nitrous.... and 13.3 is all that slug will do? I never stoop to nitrous. So what does it do when the bottle runs out, like 15.5?
what a friggin joke.. I guarentee I could get in the 12's with funked's car on the baby bottle. break axles? no wonder... nitrous breaks stuff... serves the wussies right.
Artwork? what did you fabricate? Looks like you bought every blue/purple anodized part they made for that turkey and slapped it on. That's what they call "art" these days?
Grab a copy of "Rod & Custom" to get an idea of what guys with hot wrenches and welders can do.
What question did you need answered? I am not running nitrous and I can get all lazy 450 hp(either car) or so Through BOTH wheels and not break anything. How many Hp are you geting through your pimped out unicycle?
I am not close to rich. If I wanted to paint the Healey I would paint it myself.
lazs
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What? no roll bar? It is the slowest car I have ever seen with a 5 point harness tho...
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
nitrous.... and 13.3 is all that slug will do? I never stoop to nitrous. So what does it do when the bottle runs out, like 15.5?
what a friggin joke.. I guarentee I could get in the 12's with funked's car on the baby bottle. break axles? no wonder... nitrous breaks stuff... serves the wussies right.
What question did you need answered? I am not running nitrous and I can get all lazy 450 hp(either car) or so Through BOTH wheels and not break anything. How many Hp are you geting through your pimped out unicycle?
This isnt a discussion about Funked's car..
And yes your exactly right, the sad thing about my car is that i run 400 horses at the wheel, and yet my times are pretty high for that many horses. But dont worry i have had some help in figuring out how to restrain the engine with so much pull, it should be fixed this Spring. Not everything is fixed with heading to the shop and getting under the car, takes some actual thinking..
BTW i answered your gauge question i guess?
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Originally posted by lazs2
Artwork? what did you fabricate? Looks like you bought every blue/purple anodized part they made for that turkey and slapped it on. That's what they call "art" these days?
Im sure if you knew anything about my car, you'd be able to figure out that no part is made specific for my car except the TC2 Bodykit.. Everyihing else has to be molded in after endless hours of pain staking sanding. But im sure i can just "slap" it on..
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Bottom line is someone likes the mom and someone screws the daughter. If they all are satisfied who am I to judge them or their actions?
Playing with your car, even if it would be nothing more than installing mufflers or spoilers is better than not playing at all.
IMHO of course, YMMV.
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400 horses at "the wheel" well... noticed that you didn't say "wheels" at least. No.... you don't have 400 hp you have 200 hp with a 200 hp nitrous boost. The fact that you fail to see the difference is laughable. Gee... you mean if I spend the 3 hours it takes to bolt on a 200 hp nitrous bottle on my cars I will have 650 hp?
13.3 on the bottle and you are still talking to me? If you can't get into the 12's without the bottle crutch then don't even talk about a "race"...
Can you see it... I pull up next to wildthing and his blue meanie... he fast and furiously turns the handle on his nitrous till it opens... I am at the next light but the tire smoke confuses him so he nails it on the juice and blows the drive axle on his one wheel drive.
guages? give me a break... you need a tach the other stuff is a waste of space.. and...
I don't care how much you "sanded" on the plastic parts that add nothing but ugly to your car... that ain't fabrication in my book.
And... if you do figure out a way to harness those (LOL) 400 horses... better get a scattershield cause no way was that clutch or tranny ever meant to put up with much over 200 hp... you and the street will be wearing most of the clutch. Having the 5 point will just make it harder for the EMT's.
I used Funkeds car as an example because racing mine would not be fair... at 13.3 you are a memory soon after 2nd gear. Also... I am telling you that you wasted a crapload of money on stuff that is not only ugly but useless... the very defeniton of riceboy in my opinion... I could do ten times better with funkeds car and it wouldn't look much different. Doubt he would be stupid enough to let me bolt on a nitrous kit but even without one I bet I could squeeze another 100 hp out of his car in an afternoon or so once I did a little subie research... it just ain't that hard.
but.... what do we know? we didn't understand disco either.
lazs
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Gto... yep, the turbos and blowers are getting pretty simple these days. I can put a huffer on the elky for about 2 grand. will only add about 200 hp tho and now they make 540 crate motors that get 640 hp on a carb. 740 if you like lumpy.
The Healey might be cool with a 427 inch stroker small block and a centrifigul supercharger.... old school whith a double pumper in the box... still be able to keep the Lemans hood and all... only problem is cooling. It's marginal now with the 331 nostalgia motor.
or... I could just buy a couple of honda aero kits and wings and spend countless hours sanding...
My "shop" I take my cars to is attached to my house.
I just got back from taking hooligan to the airport in the elky. Call me old fashioned but I like to have 450 dependable HP on call ALL the time. I like the pull in all six gears.. That's what big blocks are for... pushing heavy aerodynamic bricks through the air at any speed.
lazs
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INSTARDNET RACING!!! SPIN YOUR WHEEL RICERBOY!!!
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But who's got the biggest noodle ??
:eek:
Personaly i like classic cars more especialy when they look standard but secretly ugly fast.
The suprise effect got way more style.
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Laz
Chevy rocks in that respect, It is nice they do all the crate motors and even warrant them.
I think I am going to go the chevy route when I get another car, you just can not beat them for the price. For Pontiacs you can not get a motor built for less then 4 K, and even then you not getting even close to the value you do with a chevy motor. lol
4k Pontiac 400 may put out 350 true horse power.
4k For a chevy crate motor is going to get you a hell of a lot more then that.
Another bonus for chevy stuff is the bolt on fuel injection if you want to go that route, and just everything being cheaper, well everything but the cars themselves.
Man I will have to come check out your healey, it sounds nutty!
You know the funny thing on this thread? I do not think any of us other then wildriceboy have claimed to know much about cars.
I know pontiacs pretty good, but and consider myself a "car guy" but I would never call myself an expert or anything.... lol.
My whole point on this thread is his car is tacky and ugly and so far has made everyone I have shown the picture laugh their tulips off.
Still, to each their own.
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Bug
I have a HUGE noodle!
LOL LOL
Hey I can not stand bugs but at least you car looks like it should and you do not fool yourself into thinking it is something it is not.
Your right about the Classic "looking" right and being stupid fast, I think Laz's Elco meets that spec. it really is a nice looking car up close.
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Entered a drawing (charity fundraiser). The Prize is a Stroker 383 engine or $2500. Which would you pick?
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MT
I would take the cash and buy some guns.... Mmmmm guns.....
I dont have a car to drop the motor in right now anyway. :aok
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Originally posted by Bug:
But who's got the biggest noodle ??
ROFLMAO
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I HAD a little tiny donut like wildthings but then I got an 8" DW 44 mag and punched out my 454 to 468 and now the viagra spammers are calling me to learn my secret.
bug... I agree I like sleepers. Allways have. You can't hide the cam that easy but huffers don't whine anymore. I pretty much ignore little front wheel drive cars with stuff glued on all over em... even if the guy spent hours sanding on em.
GTO... welcome anytime. You fit in it and you can drive it.
MT... any 383 longblock is worth more than $2500... depends on if you need it or not. Is it the new GM crate 383? guys are getting 440 HP no sweat out of those things and they have a factory warranty.
I don't claim to know much about cars and very little about the new breed of "tuners" but I have picked up a few things over the years by liking to go fast and not having the money to go to the "shop".
lazs
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Wildthing
You are funny... Damn funny.
You know what would be fitting?
Get a clown outfit, then you could look right at home in your clown car.
The people pointing at your car and smiling, are just waiting tell you look away to laugh.
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Originally posted by lazs2
400 horses at "the wheel" well... noticed that you didn't say "wheels" at least. No.... you don't have 400 hp you have 200 hp with a 200 hp nitrous boost. The fact that you fail to see the difference is laughable. Gee... you mean if I spend the 3 hours it takes to bolt on a 200 hp nitrous bottle on my cars I will have 650 hp?
Humourous..
FYI it's only a 75 HP shot out of the bottle big boy.. Dont exaggerate with nonsense.
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lazs2, I am a domestic owner and dispise "ricers" as much as you do. That's why I took offense when you alluded to my Grand Prix as a ricer, which it is not. I used to own a few muscle cars and I know what they're all about. I go to the drags regularly during the season and I see all kinds. The technology that is in the newer cars were experimental 30 years ago in drag racing. My GTP has a roller cam in it stock from the factory. Roller cams were new racing inventions 30 years ago(approx.). All GTPs come standard with a supercharger. Stock GTPs are rated a 240hp and run around a 15.0 in the quarter, maybe high 14s with an experienced driver. In my previous post, I listed my mods. My only engine/exhaust mods are a CAI, throttle body spacer and u-bend removal(I'll explain that one if you want). My car now runs a 14.2 @ 98mph. I used to own a 65 Impala SS 409, 4-speed with a 3.55 posi. My GTP is faster than my 409 becuase my 409 weighed in at just over 4,000 lbs. My GTP weighs around 3,500 lbs. I know you understand "power to weight" ratio, so I won't explain that. The point is, that technology has made it easier to go fast withouth all the h.p. as in the past. Don't get me wrong, though, as there's still nothing like cubic inches shaking the car next to you at the stop light(as my 409 used to do). I don't like the looks of WldThing's car either, so please don't put me in the "ricer" catagory.
(rant over, for now)
:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't claim to know much about cars and very little about the new breed of "tuners" but I have picked up a few things over the years by liking to go fast and not having the money to go to the "shop".
lazs
This "tuner" graduated with a 4 year Electrical engineering degree at Penn State university, i know the car from the electrical and the mechanical standpoint.. If your trying to tell me i take my car to the shop and get it done... It only shows how much nonsense you compose in that small brain of yours..
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so you are claiming 325 real HP that is hooked up to one of your front wheels? well... that is impressive... What does that slug weigh, 3400 lbs... 3500? All that plumbing and guages and bull bottle between the seats for..... LOL!! 75 hp? I can get a 175 hp kit that just bolts on under my carb for less than 400 bucks and is a complete kit... why would anyone even bother with a 75 hp kit.... much less, make a big deal of show with it like you do?
350 (additional) hp chevy V8 kit for $500.... right out of summit.
you shoulda bought an old 5.0 mustang and spent 4 grand on it and you woulda had a faster car that didn't look like... well... like something you would make. $1900 for a blower... 3.55 posi and good clutch another 500 or so... and some tires. headers and flowmasters couple hundred bucks.
It would look like a regular car and get into the 12's. without some silly blue bottle and embarrassing front wheel tire spin.
lazs
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I can not get the image of Laz, with a BIG mean looking bloody club standing over a poor little baby seal out of my mind....
It makes me smile...
:rofl
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I love it when one of the blockheads on the WRX forum asks something like "What's the cheapest way to get 400 whp???".
I always answer "Chevy small block". Man those guys hate me. :)
The full race WRC Impreza has 300 bhp and about 440 lb-ft. That car has a $200k drivetrain. Any bellybutton clown who tries to send more than that through a stock Impreza drivetrain deserves what he gets.
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wow! a four year electrical degree! well, you must be a real gearhead then. as for the shop comment you said you were gonna get some help in reining in all that brutal 300 hp or so at the shop. Far as I can tell... All the electrical stuff is pretty much sorted out by the vendors these days. Chips and programs.
This just keeps getting funnier. I really really would like to meet the guy that is giving you money to glue all that stuff to a.... a... whatever you said that car was.
lazs
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Laz,
Chevy needs to market their Trannies the same way they market the crate motors, how cool would it be to walk into a chevy dealership and walk out with a 6 speed with a warranty.
Granted you prolly can, but not cheap. The cheap part(relitivly speaking ) being the key.
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Funked!
Thats pretty funny, were is the subie forums?
Man that STI was cool...... If I end up trading my truck in it is going to be a hard choice between a jeep rubicon and an STI....
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Did anybody see the kit Ford is going to offer to put a 4.6l V-8 in the Focus?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Funked!
Thats pretty funny, were is the subie forums?
Biggest one: http://www.nasioc.com
Funnest one: http://www.i-club.com
Other one: http://www.clubwrx.net
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funked.. it is pretty much true... these days getting 400 hp out of a small block (or any V8) is pretty much like falling off a rock. There is a lot of skill to getting those little four bangers and 6's to put out that kind of power without the bottle... trouble is... the rest of the drivetrain really isn't up to the task and everything is way too expensive for what you end up with generally.
The new trend in 4WD is a good one. I think the "rally" influence has toughened up the breed. The future of hot cars is probly in the 4WD arena... certainly not in the front wheel drive experiment.
Cars like mine are not for most people. They lack the "heroin low" surrounded by cotton feel that allows soccer moms to drive 90mph with a cell phone in their ear. Hell... you couldn't hear a cellphone in either of my cars in any case. I hope there will allways be hot rods tho... They are an interesting experiance. I really like firing up my cars and going anywhere in em. The trip is most of the fun for me. I sure hope the future isn't cars like wildthings or froggies idea of a car!
lazs
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Lazs2, Wildthng, you are both (scientifically speaking) dorks.
Lazs2, you're one for assuming that american iron is the only way to legitamately get performance.
Wildthng, you're one for peeing in Lazs's cornflakes.
You both have nice cars, and since there's no danger you'll ever be fighting over the same parts or women, just drop it. Unless you assume that chicks dig people who argue on the internet....
edit: Ok, that was an ok post right above this, Lazs, maybe you're not as much of a dork as I assumed a minute ago.
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Laz
I think you wrong, I think Sadly at least in Cali, they will find a way to ban the old iron, it will be a sad day.... but I bet rutabagas like frog in the government will find a way.
Sucks too, cause you can just about build a Chevelle now with a frame and cowl. Just about everything else you can get as reproduction stuff.
Nothing will ever sound as good as a big V8 rumbling to life... As cool as the STI is, if a STI and a GTO or any Muscle car where parked together, I would look at the Muscle car first...
(then prolly try and get them to race) lol
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I would pwn3d both of youz wit my Nitro HPI RS4 2 speed with 1.5 hp fantom fr.12 engine K&n air filter (yes they make them for RC cars) belt tensioners graphite upper deck and shock towers titanium chassis and 26mm wheels and tires. Not sure what body imma put on it but im leaning towards a Porche.
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Jamasta
Only tell y ou hit a curb and brake it!
:)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Did anybody see the kit Ford is going to offer to put a 4.6l V-8 in the Focus?
I saw that. $14k for the kit, but at least they did it right. 400 hp using a V8, even if it means completely replacing the front end, adding a rear axle and basically modifying the entire drivetrain is smarter than what we're seeing from most ricers.
Though... I have to question the sanity of 400hp in an escort.
I was thinking about this if it were done for the mini too. Seems the rear-end in the mini might be semi-straightforward to impliment given that it's suspension is based off of the 3 series rear. Then I got to thinking why I'd even bother. I have a friend selling a 66 Chevy for $10k with 35,000 original miles on it. I could put a $3500 383 in it and be there for less than the cost of the "upgrade".... plus have a mint condition classic.
MiniD
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Only one body worth putting on an RS4:
(http://www.hobbytron.net/media/T-HPI277-lg.jpg)
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Anybody remember the Ford Shogun?
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naa chairboy... i probly am as big a dork as you at first suspected... some have even called me insensitive and opinionated.
One of the reasons I offered to take funkeds car and beat wildthing is because I didn't think it was quite fair using one of mine. I also realize that there is HP to be found in modern iron... I just don't like the fast and furious look. I think a subie that looked like a grocery/commuter car that ran in the 12's would be a much bigger hoot than some purple front wheel drive monstrosity that ran in the 13's...
I think I could do it. I don't know for sure cause I never have but... even a cursory look at what's available makes me think so. And I don't even have a degree. still, it's just a motor. The 4 wheel drive thing is intrigueing... how to make it strong enough yet not weigh an excessive amount.. Seems they are getting there.
Can you imagine a Healey with an Ls1 motor and the transaxle from a subie or some other little 4 wd car? shoot for 2000 lbs and about 500 hp @ 6,000 rpm with 4 wd. might take more than a little sanding tho. Never was much good at sanding anyhow... just look at my Healey.
lazs
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Jamasta
Only tell y ou hit a curb and brake it!
:)
Actually My first time really letting her loose she got away from me, kicked into second gear shot down the parking lot at blinding speed and hit the only parked vehicle there. A 2003 toyota landcruiser.... DOH!!!! I broke front shock tower and top deck. I was fortunate to only hit the tire. It had to have been doing 60 easy.
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Lazs, I need an opinion on SB chevy camshaft replacement. Are you feeling charitable enough to dole out some advice via Email or phone?
Steve
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Originally posted by lazs2
I think a subie that looked like a grocery/commuter car that ran in the 12's would be a much bigger hoot than some purple front wheel drive monstrosity that ran in the 13's...
(http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/WRX_Wagon_Drag_car/wrx_launch_blk.jpg)
8.95 @ 147 (http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/wrx_wagon_dragcar.html)
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Just out of curiosity - how are you planning to get Funks BPU (factory boost) WRX into 12's, Lazs? I dont think Schumacher could do that.
The best time Ive seen advertised by the rags for a non-STi is 14.4 @ 95MPH. Hell, even the STi is a mid 13 second car that traps a hair above 102-103MPH.
Now - dont confuse me with a defender of rice, but the real indicator of a cars acceleration is the trap speed, not the ET. I didnt go back and look, but I seem to remember WT's trap speed being somewhere in the neighborhood of 110-115MPH? Isnt that 03 SVT Cobra territory?
Ah hell, I dunno - y'all keep fighting about who has bigger numbers and who can drive for a quater mile in a straight line better than the other. ;)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
(http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/WRX_Wagon_Drag_car/wrx_launch_blk.jpg)
8.95 @ 147 (http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/wrx_wagon_dragcar.html)
(http://www.sdsefi.com/features/pinto2.jpg)
(http://www.sdsefi.com/features/pinto3.jpg)
(http://www.sdsefi.com/features/pinto1.jpg)
8.92 @ 149.9 (http://www.sdsefi.com/features/jan00pinto.htm)
And its a Pinto.
As the old saying gos - I can make a **** run 9's with enough money, but at the end of the day, its still ****.
EDIT: I cant say t u r d?
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
The best time Ive seen advertised by the rags for a non-STi is 14.4 @ 95MPH.
14.1 @ 96
Yuo suq at teh bench racing.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
(http://www.sdsefi.com/features/pinto2.jpg)
(http://www.sdsefi.com/features/pinto3.jpg)
(http://www.sdsefi.com/features/pinto1.jpg)
8.92 @ 149.9 (http://www.sdsefi.com/features/jan00pinto.htm)
And its a Pinto.
As the old saying gos - I can make a **** run 9's with enough money, but at the end of the day, its still ****.
EDIT: I cant say t u r d?
Oh shuddap, yer the ultimate ricer, spending all that money just to get a nameplate and euro styling.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Oh shuddap, yer the ultimate ricer, spending all that money just to get a nameplate and euro styling.
LOL!
Youre just jealous cause I cant carry groceries in mine. ;)
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DON'T MAKE ME SN1P3R J00 AT TEH CON!!!
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I was kind of wondering about All wheel drive myself Laz.
My thought was, and all wheel Drive GTO or A-body.
I am not sure how it could be done but it would be cool.
Saur
Hotrod ran a shoot out between the current cobra and STI and the STI was damn close if not a bit faster. I dont remeber the times though...
just found it 13.29 V 13.30 with the STI winning.
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You guys are pretty pathetic flaming wldthing just because what he does to his car.
Both the Austin Healey and wldthings car are beautiful. Dont care much for that other american *thing* on the driveway tho.. thats just smurfy :D
Guess the difference in age plays a big part, i appreciate both classic and modern styling but then again i am 20 - 30 years younger than most of you ;)
Wldthing did a good job on his car. Its the ricers that put huge exhausts, bodykits and massive spoilers on their cars - and leave the crappy little engine stock that need yer attention.
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Fur
I am 30.
I like old iron alot, but some new cars like the STI are cool. Looks wise it sucks, but it was a kick to drive.
Still wildthings car is nasty looking...... at least from the pics he posted. The interior is RICE heaven. Tacky..
Still to each his own.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Still wildthings car is nasty looking...... at least from the pics he posted. The interior is RICE heaven. Tacky..
Still to each his own.
Exactly, each to his own.
I bet if people were posting pictures of their wives you wouldn't slag them off repeatedly if you did not find them attractive.
You gotta admire the effort and time he has put in for something he obviously is proud of, no need to slate him for it.
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Nah I would never slag a guy on his women.
He opened himself up as fair game with his attitude more then anything else I would think...
Still, I am freely willing to admit we all had lack of maturity issues going on in here... I bet he won't though!
:)
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Rip
Did you ever drive it out get pics?
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Rice cars are like the music they listen to. Fashion for a year or two and thats it. Personally I can't stand the rice cars with cut suspension loud exhausts and some nasty 4 cylinder engine with a turbo. Though what really makes me laugh as that they always try and take on mine or my mates bikes. :rofl
American muscle cars are true classics and will always be around and lusted over for years to come. As they have one thing that all rice cars lack and that's something that can't be built.
Personally if I lived in the US I wouldn't go near a rice car when there are so many awsome american muscle cars to be had.
For me personally, my dream car after seeing one and lusting after it as a kid is a 69 Camaro SS
...-Gixer
(http://users.ev1.net/~ynot_dv8/69camaro/website/graphics/SS_Intro02.jpg)
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Fantastic looking car Gixer... lol
I want one too!
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Another Ricer... (http://cp_www.tripod.com/rotary/pg33.htm) :D
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Tripod sucks and they can burn in hell. Bastards I want a pic of that car!!
Well no since it really does go fast.
Ugly as sin yes, but cooler then wildtjing car.
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(http://www.imageshack.us/img2/9296/subarubananasusethisone.gif)
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This is pretty damn pointless... I have one thing to say and im pretty much done i think..
To Each His Own...
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Anybody remember the Ford Shogun?
Ah the Shogun, arguably the best sleeper ever. MR Festiva with a 3.0L Yamaha SHO engine. I had a video of Leno doing some donuts in his. Best friend has a '94 SHO 5M he uses as his daily driver. He's thinking of getting an older B14 Sentra and building his own Shogun. He also found some interesting applications for the SHO engine. The used one in a Dune Buggy, it did the 1/4 in 10.xx or 11.xx I don't remember. Without the accessory drives it was revving to 10k and putting out 300hp on a 1000lb tube frame. All for the low cost of 14k and a SHO motor. ::drools::
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Was the SHO motor from the tauruses not tlike a standard V6 hopped up?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Was the SHO motor from the tauruses not tlike a standard V6 hopped up?
It was a purpose built motor that Yamaha built for Ford. I'm not sure it had anything in common with the standard engines.
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Interesting. I always assumed it was a tuned ford motor.
Kinda like the motor in the old syclone? From chevy the S10 truck that was all wheel drive was a 4.3 liter V6 with a big turbo.
I wrked with a guy who bought his brothers.
He had rebuilt the V6 for lower compression and installed a big turbo. He got kicked off a track in Sacramento for going under 11 seconds, lol he onlyhad the safety equipment for 12s, and the time slip was 10.5 .
I called bull**** on him when he was bragging thinking their was no way this truck was that fast e ven though he took me for a ride and it was SCARY fast like 100plus miles an hour in a block.
He scanned the time slip. Nutty.
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This was back when Yamaha was running F1. I think Ford commissioned the engine for a 2-seat car that they never built. Yamaha engines are in quite a few cars being made right now. They are right up there with Honda in terms of getting the most output and revs from a small engine without hurting reliability or emissions.
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It's been a long time but for some special engines Yamaha built only new cylheads and maybe pistons while manufacturers used old cyl-blocks of ordinary models.
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steve.. the new issue of Chevy High Performance has about the best article on cams I have seen. I don't know what level your knowledge is but this article covers it all pretty well.
furball... It was wildthings attitude that started the whole thing in the first place. My cars may be ugly but I didn't make em uglier... He made an ugly car worse. I don't really care since I don't enter "shows". Well... I did park outside one once and got a "peoples choice" mention with the elky... probly a joke but there were so many people in the parking lot looking at my six speed and vintage air (they were pretty rare then)and hotchkiss stuff... were just crawling all over the car and bench racing... think it ticked off the judges.
elky suits my needs... better weight distribution than a chevelle and so it handles and launches better. I am single but a property owner so the pickup bed comes in handy from time to time.
sour... I didn't say I would beat wildthings modified whatever that thing is with funked's stock subie. I could easily modify funkeds car to beat 13.3... How fast would the subie be with a mickey mouse nitrous kit for instance? big deal... couple hours and few hundred bucks.
Top speed in the quarter can be an indication of potential but et wins races. Nitrous squews top speeds since you can't launch with it. I don't think nitrous times should be counted on a street car since you can't run nitrous when you need it on demand.
perhaps his car would run allmost with a showroom Mustang but... you would have less in the mustang and ten times better car. and.... if you through on a nitous kit that any teenager could bolt on in an afternoon... you would effortlessly tromp that idol to tacky..
I see no problemwith owning a front wheel drive car to commute in if there were nothing else but it is a bad idea for a car... all the money in the world is not gonna fix that. The more power you add to a front wheeler the worse you make things.
lazs
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oh sour.. bet I could chop a second off funkeds car with gears and a pulley... It would then tromp wildthings jukebox even with wilthing running the nitrous cheat/crutch.
mini... you might find that the expenses start to get out of hand when you upgrade some of those old Chevy's... sure.. you can buy anything you want but you end up putting a pretty fair amount of money into em.
stony... took my elky to the scales and it weighs 3650 lbs. The newer cars are all creeping up to 3400-3500 lbs. Seen where the new mustang was like 3450! The elky has great weight distribution, better than a Chevelle of the same year. With 500 lbs of torque I can give up a few pounds... the old 409 was a fun car but pushing 4100 lbs around with about 380 real HP was a stretch. These days you could pull the 09 and 4 speed and dump in a 540 inch 750 hp crate motor and 6 speed trans that would move the impala along right smartly... you would not be embarassed by any front wheel drive car. I got no problem with your car... I would do as you did to it if I owned it. If it was all I had I most certainly would do what you did and be proud of what I accomplished...
Last divorce, I was broke as could be and bought a 91 Highway Patrol Mustang off the lot... 302 5 speed with 3.55 posi. Ran fine... I added simple stuff like bigger throttle body and fresh air stuff and pulleys and bilsteins tires etc.. as I could aford it... great car... cheap and fast. I did not add nitrous. I did not add plastic panels or wings or paint the interior purple or anodize everything in site... I did as you did and every mod brought an increase in performance that was personally satisfying. Grand prix is not a bad looking car... I just don't like front wheel drive. but... I woulda been happy to own one compared to some of the other crap cars I have had to own in my life.
lazs
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Lazs... I know what costs can be involved. It really depends on what you want it to do. But if you wanted to get a chevelle to do a 12 second quarter mile, you could easily do it under $20k (car included) and probably still have a pretty sweet looking ride. If you wanted to go IRS and increase the cornering, you're talking more money of course... though, I bet I could still get a mint car, throw a big block in it and set it up with an IRS, 4 wheel disc brakes and a tranny that would easily handle the HP for under $30k... and that's with $10k of it being the car. If the chevelle I've been eyeballing is around in 3 years, I just might give it a shot.
Right now, I'll stick with my Mini and it's whopping 115 hp. I'm of the firm oppinion that under 200hp, FWD is the way to go... over 200 hp, then RWD or AWD. Right now I'd rather spend $15 per week on gas as opposed to the $35 I'd spend driving the Grand Prix. I do like the new "traction control" that has been installed on most FWD cars with over 200hp to help keep the torque steer from pulling them off the roads. Nearest I can tell traction control is french for "keep the power from reaching the road because the car just can't handle it."
As for why wldthng's posts merrited such a laugh... someone touted the "110-115" quarter mile speed as being not that bad at all. You'd be right... if that's what he'd done. But he said "that's what he could do if he didn't keep breaking axles". It's the classic ricer syndrome. Then, instead of posting timeslips to show how fast his car is, he posts pictures to show how fast it is. That's pretty damn funny. Don't even get me started on ricer HP math. You know... the syndrome where someone reads that an upgrade will get you 10hp, and another will get you 15hp, and another will get you 12 hp... then surely all you have to do is buy all 3 to get 37 additional HP. Hehehehe.
MiniD
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agreed... I have about 20k in my elky and it was built fairly recently... I could build a 12 sec mustang (87-93) for half that and that is without the nitrous.. I could beat wildthings car with 6000 bucks using a 5.0 mustang and a 400 dollar nitrous kit... and... I could drive it so it didn't break anything. You can build a Chevelle with or without the irs for 30k that would be kickbutt... you don't need the irs to make it go around corners.
furball seems to be missing the point... he feels that the El Camino is ugly... that is fine but not germaine to the conversation... I did not do the original styling.. some guy in GM in 1967 did. All I did was clean it up some... Now, if he wants to get into anything I did to the car to make it ugly, that is different... Maybe he feels the 6 speed lever and knob are ugly? the traction bars? Maybe the vintage air air conditioner? the Hotchkiss and bilstein suspension? What did I do to make the car "ugly"?
but wildthings car... he is the one responsible for that jukebox.
work supplies me with a new dodge truck and gas so most of my gas is paid for. I can afford the 10-14 mpg that the elky gets for my running around.
lazs
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Laz
How many miles do you have on the Elco with the 6 speed in it?
Has the shifter gotten smoother?
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It sure shifted smooth when I drove it. Clutch was pretty burly, and I hate the steering, but the shifter was sweet.
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sorry lazs, was half in jest about the ugly car.
Bet it sounds nice tho :)
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Before I sold it to Laz, I put about 1000 miles on it in my older Goat.... Man what a ****ing blast that car was. About 350 HP, Global west front suspension, big sway bar, bigger disk brakes and even decent gas mililedge.
The shifter was a bit stiff for me though, but I figured it neeeded to be broken in.
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GTO... about 10k.. the shifter is not bad at all but the synchros in second and third might be a little worn... they crunch a tiny bit when cold if I'm not careful... methinks you might have made a hard shift or two when you had it I changed over to synthetic gear oil of course.
furball... not argueing about wether the car is ugly or not. I happen to think it was a good looking design ... maybe you don't.. point is... I didn't design it.
If there is some feature that I changed that you don't like then that would be different.... say I put 'aero' panels on it or a big wing on the back or painted half the interior purple and mounted a big ol nitrous bottle between the seats... that kinda thing. Mostly tho... I just cleaned stuff up... maybe a little harder than it sounds tho.
lazs
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Lol Laz, yeah I had my days, I smoked a guy with the curvy body style cobra mustang, (mid 90s?), that I worked with, lol he was a bit embarased to get destroyed by a car in primer.
Richmond says anyone with decent automotive knowledge can rebuilt their six speed? You going to try when it needs it?
They sell other gear sets as well, the one in it was the standard one.
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Actually the Yamaha V6 Ford used in the SHO was from Yamaha's Marine Division. Ford detuned it for street use (Ford did the electronics for the engine management) and Yamaha adapted the rest (the various changes to the cooling system) for street use.
That was probably the best V-6 Ford ever saw. To bad they quit using it. It had a lot of potential.
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I had no idea the SHO had a whole new motor, I knew they were fast though, lol. Learn something new everyday!:D
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They only used it for the first 3 (?) years of the SHO's GTO. Then Ford went with a motor designed in-house. Not nearly as good of an engine as the Yamaha one. That motor liked to rev and was really smooth about it.
It probably looked the best of any motor Ford has ever used as well. Those dual length intake runners gave the engine a Formula One look. Really nice looking.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
They only used it for the first 3 (?) years of the SHO's GTO. Then Ford went with a motor designed in-house. Not nearly as good of an engine as the Yamaha one. That motor liked to rev and was really smooth about it.
It probably looked the best of any motor Ford has ever used as well. Those dual length intake runners gave the engine a Formula One look. Really nice looking.
They used the 3.0 SHO in the 89-95 SHO's, they then used a 3.4 or 3.6 V8 with Yamaha heads in the 96-98 SHO's, but it was only paired with an automatic and wasn't very fast. Another beautiful engine is the ZR1 Vette's, a local classic auto store in OKC has a mint condition ZR1 with 4 miles on it displayed in their shop.
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the zr1 was a hand built motor by Mercury Outboard. It is still winning things like the Texas mile for top speed.
lazs
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Designed by Lotus. Best production V-8 in American history and it's Limey. :)
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hehe... not quite funkyboy... it was designed by GM's lotus division to GM specs and refined by in house GM engineers using all GM parts including GM fuel injection. It was hand assembled by Mercury. GM's Lotus division never built a motor like it. the one they designed was not the same as the end product. This is according to the Promo literature I have from back then and the Car and Driver article "The Vette From Hell"
I had heard that GM lost money on every one they sold. Hand blueprinting is expensive but the motors probly gained 40 hp from it and a lot of reliability... They are getting allmost equal performance out of pushrod engines these days with less complexity and engine bay cramping but.... I sure woulda loved to seen em continue with the ZR1 concept engine.
lazs
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GTO.. ahh.. a Goat w/350hp.. life begins right around there :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
I sure woulda loved to seen em continue with the ZR1 concept engine.
lazs
The best DOHC street cars with variable valve timing are getting 120 bhp/liter these days. I figure even GM could probably do 90 bhp/liter if they tried using technology. That would put them over 500 bhp with a 350. It's a shame.
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Wlf
The Engine maker said it was 400, and 500 foots pounds but it never felt like it to me.
It was a DAMN fast car, and that Tranny made it even better, but I didnt want to brag without proof, lol I never dynoed it.
Stock 400s from 68 put out 350, and mine was not stock. Still..... good old days.
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I hear that.
I got to drive (for a few blocks only) a street-legal INDY pace car.. I mean the CART pace car. It was a T-bird with 500 hp...
I'm still cleaning up after myself after that.
... drool.
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LOL nice.
Strangley I miss the nasty primered Six Speed goat, and do not mis the nice looking mostly restored one at all.
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funky... they can get 500 hp from pushrod engines..
What is going on is that the cammers take up a lot of engine bay. Ford built a SOC 428 or 9 way back when but it was huge. Ran like stink and was banned from NASCAR and super stock drags..
today... From what I have read... things that need 350 cubic inches (and the flat torque curve that goes with that) don't like the DOC heads taking up all that room... the cost in HP of using pushrods with modern variable timing and roller cams and fuel injection is slight... it simply isn't worth the effort and expense to build big motors with double overhead cams. Not right now anyway.
Things like the Hemi have made a comeback in.... pickups. Where they have huge engine bays.
lazs
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So laz you going to rebuilt the six speed yourself?
I would not be brave enough, but thats just me...hheh
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Originally posted by lazs2
funky... they can get 500 hp from pushrod engines..
What is going on is that the cammers take up a lot of engine bay. Ford built a SOC 428 or 9 way back when but it was huge. Ran like stink and was banned from NASCAR and super stock drags..
today... From what I have read... things that need 350 cubic inches (and the flat torque curve that goes with that) don't like the DOC heads taking up all that room... the cost in HP of using pushrods with modern variable timing and roller cams and fuel injection is slight... it simply isn't worth the effort and expense to build big motors with double overhead cams. Not right now anyway.
Things like the Hemi have made a comeback in.... pickups. Where they have huge engine bays.
lazs
Exactly, take the 5.0 Mustang motor and the 4.6 Modular motor in the new stangs. The 4.6 liter has the exterior space of a 427, but the 5.0 was the same size as it had always been. The 5.0 is also indestructable, and the 89-92's came with forged pistons and rods from the factory. You can pick up a 89-92, throw some lower compression heads on it and a SC or small Turbo, a 100shot of NO2 and have a 12 sec car for less than 4k in parts and about 3grand in the car.
If GM were to switch to OHC engines they could get more horsepower/torque than the current engines, but the R&D and Manufacturing costs would far outweigh the neglible increase in performance.
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Originally posted by lazs2
funky... they can get 500 hp from pushrod engines..
"can" does not equal "are". They have not shown they can even get close to 100 bhp/liter without a blower. We are talking production engines that will run for 200k miles here, not race engines or lab experiments or tuner projects.
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We need a version of Hello Dolly with a WRX in it. Might make it something interesting to watch....
Yeah, I am about half looped
Not totaly, I can still type...
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
We need a version of Hello Dolly with a WRX in it. Might make it something interesting to watch....
Yeah, I am about half looped
Not totaly, I can still type...
lol Mark :aok
I don't think we've talked about WRX for the last 3 or 4 pages. :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
funky... they can get 500 hp from pushrod engines..
What is going on is that the cammers take up a lot of engine bay. Ford built a SOC 428 or 9 way back when but it was huge. Ran like stink and was banned from NASCAR and super stock drags..
It was a 427 and it was initially released in 1963. The 63 and 64 Galaxy 500XL could be special ordered with that engine. It was a scary.
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When I manage to kill the engine in my car now, this is my project: http://www.v8miata.com
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Raub
Isnt your Meita a newer one? Would you have to smog yours? In cali the engine has to be the same year or newer, how is it in your state.
Bad bellybutton mode. I remember Hotrod or carcraft testing a monster Meita years ago... LOL they blew the rear end. Still awsome stuff.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Raub
Isnt your Meita a newer one? Would you have to smog yours? In cali the engine has to be the same year or newer, how is it in your state.
Bad bellybutton mode. I remember Hotrod or carcraft testing a monster Meita years ago... LOL they blew the rear end. Still awsome stuff.
I'm not sure how strict Lawton is, but OKC you can do pretty much whatever to your car, as long as you aren't street racing or purposefully causing a nuisance the cops don't care around here. I've had friends running open headers on their supra's and 2 running open headers on their stangs while they were getting exhausts built for them, no one got a ticket.
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There aren't any vehicle inspections or smog checks around here.
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funky said..."can" does not equal "are". They have not shown they can even get close to 100 bhp/liter without a blower. We are talking production engines that will run for 200k miles here, not race engines or lab experiments or tuner projects."
funky... not too up on the liter thing but... what cammer, normally aspirated production motor of 5 or more liters is getting 100 hp per liter? GM crate engines of 540 inch are getting 750 hp... the 383 motors are getting 440 hp. These are factory motors from GM with warranty. I am sure they will go 200k. It is pretty easy for the crate motor builders to get 600 hp out of 350 inches. the cammer motors are just too bulky when you get into the V8 configuration.
lazs
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Lazs, imports are doing 100 hp/l without superchargers:
Acura RSX type S:
2 liter / 200 hp (normally aspirated)
Engines you listed:
383 ci = 6.3 l / 440 = 70 hp / l
540 ci = 8.8 l / 750 = 85 hp / l
Nobody is keeping up with the 8's except for the exotics. Nobody is doing it reliably in the V8 category. But that doesn't dismiss what the imports are doing with the hp / l on the 4 cylinders.
But then... 200 hp in a 3100 lb car is still just 200 hp. Putting it to the front wheels via traction control is going to reduce the effectiven hp even more. And nobody is delivering on torque.
MiniD
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I am saying that for a V8 in the 500 hp range nobody is making cammers for pruduction engines. I am saying that with a little 4 banger you have all the room in the world to have overhead cams and such. The pushrod motor is much more compact... it is easier to get the torque (which is really what you feel anyway) by going to large cubic inch compact motor rather than bulky small cubic inch cammer.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I am saying that for a V8 in the 500 hp range nobody is making cammers for pruduction engines.
Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, etc. all have 4 cam V-8's in that power range.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Iit is easier to get the torque (which is really what you feel anyway) by going to large cubic inch compact motor rather than bulky small cubic inch cammer.
lazs
You don't feel the engine torque. You feel the acceleration of the vehicle which is equal to the engine torque times the overall gear ratio divided by the radius of the tire divided by the mass. For any given vehicle speed and vehicle weight, the engine with the most power will give the most acceleration given proper gearing.
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MATH GEEK!!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, etc. all have 4 cam V-8's in that power range.
None of them are what I'd consider even remotely reliable. There really isn't a comparison to the raw torque and horsepower available in the american V8's yet. Eventually... maybe there will be. But right now there isn't.
MiniD
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Ferraris are famous for problems but I don't think Mercedes and BMW are known for engine problems. Maybe you know something I don't.
I'd love to see Honda put a couple of S2000 motors together and make a 480 bhp 4.0l V-8. But they don't really make cars heavy enough to require that much power. Anyways the Japanese regulations pretty much rule out anything more than 300 bhp.
Nuther thing: In the 500 hp range you will find most of the Euro motors are V-12's. They will absolutely dominate an American V-8 of similar displacement.
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I have not heard good of any high hp import V8. Not Mercedes, not BMW... nobody. The 500's do OK as long as they're not tweaked out. The 300 HP ones are just fine. They'd definately rank higher on the scale than BMW's 4 liter V8. I've not heard good about that engine from anyone that's had one. Though... I don't know anyone with a 2001 or newer that has one. The BMW 6 cylinder is a great engine. The 8 will amaze you at it's cost when it comes time to have the head gaskets replaced (again).
MiniD
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Originally posted by lazs2
Iit is easier to get the torque (which is really what you feel anyway) by going to large cubic inch compact motor rather than bulky small cubic inch cammer.
Originally posted by FUNKED1
You don't feel the engine torque. You feel the acceleration of the vehicle which is equal to the engine torque times the overall gear ratio divided by the radius of the tire divided by the mass. For any given vehicle speed and vehicle weight, the engine with the most power will give the most acceleration given proper gearing.
You know the only reason why you even feel torque is because the RPM is perfect linear line. Ha, all the nerds start laughing!
:D
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Ok... for small motors a cammer is a good idea. If you want to get into the real expensive exotics then you can get 500 hp out of a "production" cammer V8 but ...
there are engine builders in the states that are getting 700 hp out of pushrod all alluminum V8's with 2 year warrenties and they build thousands of them every year. The engine costs less than the "production" ferrarri motor and has more power and is easier to adapt to any drivetrain and is more compact. I would say that it is at least as reliable and way easier to tune. and.... has a much wider powerband.
when you get into the thousands of hp there are no cammer motors. Top gas and fuel dragsters..
Torqe band is what is important in a street car... that is what you feel. if you have a small hi reving engine with a very narrow torque band you will be constantly shifting. Punching the throttle when the car is not on the torque band will result in very little acceleration. For everyday use, the wider torque band is more useful.
I have no problem with overhead cams... they are just not the panacea the you make them out to be.
lazs
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reminds me of a rice-burner bike I once had..
power band from hell
gimme a big 4-stroke anyday.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Torqe band is what is important in a street car... that is what you feel. if you have a small hi reving engine with a very narrow torque band you will be constantly shifting. Punching the throttle when the car is not on the torque band will result in very little acceleration. For everyday use, the wider torque band is more useful.
Torque is all that is important, horsepower is nothing but a derivative of torque anyways. HP=(torque*RPM)/5252
I'm sure you knew that, but posting it for reference anyways.
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1 hp = 745.699872 Watts
:D
HP=(torque*RPM)/5252
This formula represents the amount of HP at a given torque value on ther RPM scale up to maximum torque. Not maximum power achievable in an automotive engine. In reality, engine design plays an important factor so the actual maximum horsepower may be less.
Max producable HP is 50% the theoretical maximum producable HP due to heat and friction. Its is the break even point between what is produced and what is loss.
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Is there an index page to this thread? have i just completely missed the bit where ripsnort drives the car?
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LOl no Rip never came back with his driving bit.
I have driven one.. Fantastic!
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All this car talk has got me wanting to finish up my rx-7 project. Had to knock off of it a few weeks ago. I've got the 302 in the car, mounts made and all, AND I've got the headers flipped backwards shooting forward and over over to the passengers side where there's a ford powerstroke turbo :D. I'm gonna have 400+ horseys with about 8lbs. of turbo boost in a 2900 lb car. I lowered the X-member enough that the engine just does clear the hood. It'll look like a regular ol 88 rx-7 on the outside but will have a little more "mmmphh" to it. :mad: Gonna paint it all over and slick it up. Prolly paint the mldgs too. Gonna keep the factory wheels and all tho.
I made the mistake of puling my wifes van in the shop a week or so ago. Was gonna fix a dent in the rear gate, now I've got the whole van almost ready to paint lol. Then when I get it done I've got to finish up an 03 dodge truck I bought wrecked. So, it'll be a good 3 weeks before I can play with the mazda again.:(
What happened to the photos of your car wldthing? I was wanting to see it.
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sounds good hblair.. was wondering what that thing weighed. What are you using for tranny and rear end?
lazs
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Hblair... did you ever get going on your dad's roadster again?
MiniD
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Hi HB!!!
We need pics. :)
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I was being bothered about Forester STi and Impreza WRX STi.
But I finally selected Forester STi, I'm completely satisfied that I bought it. :) I still really love Impreza, if I have more money...ahhhh. :D
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BTW, a Forester STi is targeted for Japanese market. It has 2.5L Turbo engine which Impreza WRX STi USA Ver has. It is tuned for Japan's road conditions though.
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Mitsu post pics please. :)
My friend just got a Forester XT, same engine as Forester STi. I wish he would have waited for the Forester STi, but XT is still pretty cool.
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(http://www.uranus.dti.ne.jp/~mitty/temp/P1010010_640_2.jpg)
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Yes Hblair please post pics. I used to have an 88 RX-7. I really enjoyed that car, I wish I still had it. Traded it for this
(http://www.jblong.com/files/rx7.jpg)
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Yeah baby!
Needs gold wheels though. :D
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A Forester STi puts out 265hp power and 278lb/feet torque.
It is the monster of SUV. It is like SUBARU's Porsche Cayenne S.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Yeah baby!
Needs gold wheels though. :D
Yes, I think so too. But I like this original 18inch' Wheel so far. :)
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Hey lazs, it's got the borg warner 5-speed and the factory rear end. Its supposed to have 4.11 gears.
MiniD, we haven't touched it since this time last year. well, ecept for rolling it around and sweeping under it. Dads been bitten by the RV bug. he spends his time on it now.
funked, no piccy :) I'm gonna get it all fabbed up and in place before I post any pics here. you guys are too tough. :)
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I think, a 1968 Ram air GTO 400 put out 390 HP's stock.
I know it needs a 90 PSI oil pump instead of the usual 60 PSI, I found out the hard way, and spun the new bearings on #1 piston:(
BTW, I still own 3- 1965 GTO's 2-rags and 1 HT.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by GtoRA2
Laz
Chevy rocks in that respect, It is nice they do all the crate motors and even warrant them.
I think I am going to go the chevy route when I get another car, you just can not beat them for the price. For Pontiacs you can not get a motor built for less then 4 K, and even then you not getting even close to the value you do with a chevy motor. lol
4k Pontiac 400 may put out 350 true horse power.
4k For a chevy crate motor is going to get you a hell of a lot more then that.
Another bonus for chevy stuff is the bolt on fuel injection if you want to go that route, and just everything being cheaper, well everything but the cars themselves.
Man I will have to come check out your healey, it sounds nutty!
You know the funny thing on this thread? I do not think any of us other then wildriceboy have claimed to know much about cars.
I know pontiacs pretty good, but and consider myself a "car guy" but I would never call myself an expert or anything.... lol.
My whole point on this thread is his car is tacky and ugly and so far has made everyone I have shown the picture laugh their tulips off.
Still, to each their own.
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hblair... your gonna scatter that little jap rearend....Don't run too much tire and watch the launch. It is probly an open rear anyway right? What is the new weight distribution? the 302 is fairly light but it's gotta be alittle heavier than stock especially with all the turbo stuff.
lazs
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Originally posted by hblair
Hey lazs, it's got the borg warner 5-speed and the factory rear end. Its supposed to have 4.11 gears.
MiniD, we haven't touched it since this time last year. well, ecept for rolling it around and sweeping under it. Dads been bitten by the RV bug. he spends his time on it now.
funked, no piccy :) I'm gonna get it all fabbed up and in place before I post any pics here. you guys are too tough. :)
Bummer on the roadster. Did you guys at least get a primer coating on it? Last pics I saw had it bare metal.
Oh... I'll post a pic of the RX7 tonight lazs... though it will be pre-engine it will highlight why Hblair may not want to post it. Though... nobody really cares if the front end is made of parts from 4 different RX7s.
MiniD
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V-8 in a focus? You mean like this job?
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0404scc_focus/
Until now, anything approaching full throttle with less than 500 pounds of ballast in the car resulted in nothing more than two solid black stripes on the tarmac and lots of smiles inside the car.
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damn...that little bugger only weighs about 300 lbs less than my El Camino.
6 speeds baby! Use it like an old 4 speed with 4.56 gears for the drags and then shift into the higher two for freeway...
I could use a little station wagon.....
something practical like that to haul my grand daughter around in....
lazs
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Scrounged this one up:
(http://www.fatdrunkbastards.com/FDB/forum/uploads/MiniD/9F52C_RX-7-1.jpg)
Don't know what Hblair is thinking not going with the hooptie spoilers and side skirts. He'll never get any sponsors nor win any shows with that basic of a car.
MiniD
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yeah... but he won't break front axles!
lazs
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Keep in ind the motors coming back out for rebuild, & painting, and engine bays gonna be painted too. I'm gonna have air too. I'll be using the ford compressor and adapting the lines from the mazda. I'll prolly have power steering too. Car will likely weigh in the 3000-3100 range.
(http://www.cybrtyme.com/personal/hblair/MVC-030S.JPG)
This looks like the absolute worst place to put the turbo, but its the only practical place. keep in mind you have 4 three inch diameter pipes going into and out of it. this was the only place to keep the hot side clear of everything.
(http://www.cybrtyme.com/personal/hblair/MVC-033S.JPG)
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Two probe gt intercoolers, I'll be taking the end caps off and welding them together. Shouldwork perfectly and handle the volume.
(http://www.cybrtyme.com/personal/hblair/MVC-037S.JPG)
Had to notch the right strut tower. I'll smooth it up, won't even show with the cold side pipe there.
(http://www.cybrtyme.com/personal/hblair/MVC-036S.JPG)
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Nice pics Rialbh; after the car is finished you need to visit Bimmerwhateveritwas and ask why your wankel sounds different than your friends... :)
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Put some decent spark plugs in that thing... cause you're gonna have to pull the engine when it comes time to replace them.
MiniD
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lol staga, if you think the bimmer guys are bad you need to go to rx-7club.com and mention that you're considering a v-8 swap. They really take kindly to that kind of thinking. :) It's not as tight as it looks mini-D. The rear 2 plugs on the right side might be a little challenging, but the rest are easy.
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Originally posted by hblair
It's not as tight as it looks mini-D. The rear 2 plugs on the right side might be a little challenging, but the rest are easy.
It only takes one ;)
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I saw some pics of a Volvo P1800 with a SB; builder made couple small hatches to the firewall for changing last two sparkplugs.
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In my Healey I change number 7 plug from under the car with a 13/16 wrench.. Just loosen it and spin it out by hand.. Important that the threads be in good shape.
lazs
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I like this movie. Do you like it? :)
http://www.uranus.dti.ne.jp/~mitty/temp/up0396.avi