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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Pepe on March 15, 2004, 07:20:35 PM
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I appreciate your job with those locked threads.
It's nice to see someone showing a sensible attitude with regards to this.
I hope we all can discuss this on a rational way in the future, when all the dust settle and the feelings are not so near our skin.
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Hey Bud I'm with ya.
Your new prez is just doing what he thinks is best for his country.
Can't blame a man for that.
I am still saddend by the lose of life in your country what a waste
and so stupid a reasone.
Peace.:aok
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Ah Great! A new thread were we can openly and civily discuss (until the lock comes crashing down) the poilitical and military ramifications of the Spanish elections empowering a socialist government whos first order of business is to declare the US led coalition in Iraq as a disaster and immediately state that Spanish troops will be withdrawn from Iraq without a UN mandate all because of the Spanish populace reacting favourably to a terrorist act.
Now keep it civil people!
:eek:
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The Spanish people have the right to do as they please.
It may or may not be agreable to us as a country but I do respect there right to make that choice.
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I do too. The Spaniards are a free and democratic people.
I just find the history of it amazing and perplexing.
The free world now rightfully fears the final few days leading up to national elections.
As it should be....I guess.
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Battleships confide in me and tell me where you are?
:D
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Originally posted by Pepe
I appreciate your job with those locked threads.
It's nice to see someone showing a sensible attitude with regards to this.
I hope we all can discuss this on a rational way in the future, when all the dust settle and the feelings are not so near our skin.
How do you make the "Kiss arnold" sound on the internet?;)
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He wasn't brown-nosing, he was thanking someone for an action that he found decent. Maybe the fascist brigade will ruin this too.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I do too. The Spaniards are a free and democratic people.
I just find the history of it amazing and perplexing.
The free world now rightfully fears the final few days leading up to national elections.
As it should be....I guess.
Cause you know...things gonna be 'splodin everywhere!
Nice....real nice...
Al Quada just learned they can change the outcome of an election....
When are people going to learn that refusing to face a problem does not make it go away?
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if an attack happened a few days before the election in the US bush would most likely benefit from it. Weather it be a christian nut blowing up a clinic or a islamic nut blowing up a place of business; the votes would swing towards bush, who runs on a campaign of fear.(aka vote for me or you wont be safe).
Im really worried about the olympics this year. Some of the cheapest and most crooked officials and police in the world to buy off are located in greece.
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Funny, Froggy but I read an article not 2 hours ago where Kerry said Bush was not doing a good job at domestic security and that I should vote for him or I would not be safe.
I'm sure you already know, all politicians will say anything to get your vote.
I think in your scenario, just the opposite would happen. I can see the media jumping all over bush screaming "Why did'nt you protect us!!" and the votes going to the democrats. Something similar just happened...oh where was it...It's on the tip of my tongue...
SPAIN!
Did you know John Kerry is a Vietnam vet!!!:eek: :eek:
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Did you know John Kerry is a Vietnam vet!!!:eek: :eek:
Yeah, and Benedict Arnold was a Revolutionary War Vet.
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The Spanish people gave a kneejerk reaction to fear, IMHO.
Daniel(Cyrano) said in another thread that the conservatives were on their way out of power regardless, in spite of what the polls say.
Since he is in Spain. maybe he knows something the polls don't show and I'm completely off base.
I ache for the Spanish people, truly sympathize with them. Such reckless killing must be so overwhelming to deal w/ first hand.
Pulling out of Iraq or doing anything but staying tough on terrorism is foolish. I understand that the Socialists may want to pull out of Iraq right now. I'd honestly be surprised if they did so.
Getting rid of Hussein was the right thing to do, I believe(only from what I've read) that the Spanish are thoughtful and reasonable people. With this in mind, I think even the Socialists will see the folly in withdrawing troops. Their reasons won't be important. The terrorists will see it as a victory regardless.
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Weren't there Americans complaining, "Since you don't live in the US, maybe you should stay out of our affairs?" quite recently? Rhetorical question. Yes, there were.
Maybe a bit of "Practicing what you preach" is in order here. Thats a statement, not a question.
-SW
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Wulfe, I have no idea what you are talking about.
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You don't Steve, because you weren't one of those people... atleast not that I remember.
-SW
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Ahh gocha wulfe. :)
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He visitaba a Espana hace veinteocho anos. Viajaba alli en 1976 (Madrid)..un ano despues de la muetre de Franco, y durante la transition al Rey Juan Carlos XIII. Yo era estudiante y quedaba 6 semanas. Tambien pasaba una semana en Granada al fin...antes de regresar al E.E.U.U.
Mi padre no gueria que yo visitar alli porque el tenia miedo de los circunstancias. El pensaba que otra guerra civil ocurria.
No habia una guerra se debe al "ser" del rey...quien fue considerado (y todavia es considerado) un buen Rey. No he leido mucho sobre el en los periodicos hace varios anos.
Recuerdo oir de mi dormitorio al Colegio Mayor Mendel ciertas ruidos que a mi me parecia bombas en la distancia (en 1976.) Se que Espana ha tenia muchos problemos con el terrorismo ETA durante muchos anos. Yo tengo confidencia y todo respecto en los esfuerzos del gobierno Espanol tratar con las acciones cobardes de estes grupos, asi con Al Qaida como los ETA.
Lo siento esta tragedia que ha sucedia. Pienso que todo el mundo se siente lo mismo, amigo.
Les
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Originally posted by muckmaw
How do you make the "Kiss arnold" sound on the internet?;)
I don't really know.
What I do know is that, if September 13th, 2.001 some stupid comes and say that the killings are the logical consequence of american foreign policies from June-July 1.950, I bet you would be grateful if somebody just lock the thread before it goes ballistic.
Same here. I have my own views on what is happening. But when I see some functional illiterate bash my country and my people as a whole, I can only be grateful somebody shows enough common sense and stop the thing.
You american people are (or at least that's what I used to think) consinstently respectful about death. This has not been the case with our dead, in a quite substantial number of cases.
Again, I don't think we are ready to come to a civilized debate about what are the consequences of Spain's election. What's worse, you are just putting salt in our wounds at a time when all you can say or do means nothing. If you don't want to say "hey, I'm sorry" at least leave us alone so we can mourn our dead before we can start thinking on what has happened.
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Pepe,. you're there. Help us underrstand.
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Hope you're not upset with me Pepe. I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. I am interested in the politics of Spain. And I was there for a while...six weeks. That was an important time to be there.
Les
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Originally posted by Pepe
You american people are (or at least that's what I used to think) consinstently respectful about death. This has not been the case with our dead, in a quite substantial number of cases.
American's appear only to be respectful if the dead in question are American - they appear to be totally lacking in the ability to empathise with any loss suffered by anyone else.
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Originally posted by Pepe
when I see some functional illiterate bash my country and my people as a whole, I can only be grateful somebody shows enough common sense and stop the thing.
Review 95% of 2002-2003 posts on France bashing ! 5% of it was funny, the rest was trailer trash idiots jumping merrily on the bandwagon...
History will, as always, vindicate us !!
Espana, plus ultra !
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
American's appear only to be respectful if the dead in question are American - they appear to be totally lacking in the ability to empathise with any loss suffered by anyone else.
Somehow that's ironic coming from a poster by the name of Shadenfreude.
Les
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
American's appear only to be respectful if the dead in question are American - they appear to be totally lacking in the ability to empathise with any loss suffered by anyone else.
WASHINGTON (AFP) – Mar 13
In New York, people gathered in silence in front of the Spanish cultural Cervantes Institute in midtown Manhattan, holding up pieces of paper printed with the image of a black ribbon.
Similarly somber events were held at the Spanish Embassy in Washington and the consulate in Los Angeles.
The US media expressed solidarity with the Madrid victims and drew direct parallels with the September 11 strikes against the United States 30 months ago.
"We are all Madrilenos now," declared the New York Times.
"Terrorists respect no national boundaries, political systems, ideologies or religions. The fight against them must be just as multinational," the newspaper said in an editorial.
“Spain Reels from a '9/11'" ran the headline in the New York Post, which said New York and Madrid were now "sister cities -- united in pain and outrage, and gripped with a determination not to let the terrorists win. Not ever."
In the western state of New Mexico, once a Spanish territory, Governor Bill Richardson said he was shocked and saddened by the terror strikes, which he labeled "a tragedy for a great sister country."
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
American's appear only to be respectful if the dead in question are American - they appear to be totally lacking in the ability to empathise with any loss suffered by anyone else.
Absolutely false.
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Merely my opinion gleaned from this and other BBS, yours may differ as is your perogative.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Merely my opinion gleaned from this and other BBS, yours may differ as is your perogative.
The real truth of posting on a BBS is it is pointless, except to pass the time. However I get the feeling you don't like my opinion, and that's ok, I don't like yours either.:)
Les
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Merely my opinion gleaned from this and other BBS, yours may differ as is your perogative.
I said this because you didn't specify it was your opinion. You just said "it appears that..." which I consider it makes the whole statement false.
It's not a prerogative, it's the nature of things ;)
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One perhaps should add the caveat that internet bulletin boards of this sort though representing a microcosm of American white males in the 18 to 55 age group are not representative of America as a whole.
I apologise if I offended anyone however I found the posts Grunherz et al offensive in the extreme - they should in my opinion be banned from the board for six months to allow them to reflect on their actions.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
American's appear only to be respectful if the dead in question are American - they appear to be totally lacking in the ability to empathise with any loss suffered by anyone else.
Wow... talk about someone with a selective memory. I guess you have NEVER heard about the U.S. or americans in general helping people from another country when the "fit hits the shan". Never happens right?
What kind of statement is this? How do you support this comment? Really.... I would like to hear this......
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Mosgood - email me if you wish to continue the discussion.
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I get this when i try
"Sorry! That user has specified that they do not wish to receive emails through this board. If you still wish to send an email to this user, please contact the administrator and they may be able to help."
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Originally posted by Yeager
Ah Great! A new thread were we can openly and civily discuss (until the lock comes crashing down) the poilitical and military ramifications of the Spanish elections empowering a socialist government whos first order of business is to declare the US led coalition in Iraq as a disaster and immediately state that Spanish troops will be withdrawn from Iraq without a UN mandate all because of the Spanish populace reacting favourably to a terrorist act.
Now keep it civil people!
:eek:
Yeap, good analisis, though you did not intend that. Now they can use those military resources to fight true terrorism.
I'm with the Spanish vote on this.
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I disagree completly with the conclusion that if the spanish go out of Iraq they will stop doing any counter terrorism.
They are dealing with ETA since decade and showed determination in this fight they won't all of a sudden stop fighting terrorism.
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they and the other countries have the US & her allies to do the dirty work - again
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Originally posted by mosgood
I get this when i try
"Sorry! That user has specified that they do not wish to receive emails through this board. If you still wish to send an email to this user, please contact the administrator and they may be able to help."
emailed you..
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Nice posts Yeager. Too bad you didn't make them instead of the 'Spaniards are cowards' posts you made within a couple of days of the bombs going off. 10/10 for recovery on that one.