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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKcurly on March 16, 2004, 03:45:23 AM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=655&e=9&u=/oneworld/4536815561079359338
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well... that's a relief... since it is inevitable and we are all doomed anyway... let's enjoy ourselves. No need for those useless busybodies in the EPA or air quality board. fire the a holes.
Stop the wasteful smog restrictions on some nice cars.
lazs
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why fire them? that much hot methane released into the atmosphere must make warming worse. Melt them down and use them to power giant AC units.
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Given enough freshening, the Gulf Stream that currently warms the North Atlantic would be shut off, triggering an abrupt decline in temperatures that would bring about a new "Ice Age" in Europe, eastern Canada, and the northeastern United States and similar disastrous changes in world weather patterns elsewhere--all in a period as short as two to three years.
Let me get this right. So the earth heats up and Canada (and Europe) get frozen in an ice age.
Bastages
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I can live with that.
lazs
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yes
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itll prob be worse than that in reality, i imagine alot of North america would be cold and frozen to, wouldnt be very warm only around the equator probably.
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All I know is that it was 60 and sunny here yesterday and today its 35 and snowing.
Thats ****ed up.
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LMAO Saur! You beat me to it.
But anyway, warming follows a cyclical pattern. Soon it'll start getting colder (on average).
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Aside from the fact that I hate hot weather what detrimental effects can we expect to see with global warming? Of course there will be radical changes in global weather patterns but who can say what the result of that will be. Sea level will stay the same with the melting polar ice caps right? Or will it go down? If so that means more real estate, how much I have no idea.
Also, since warm air is capable of holding more moisture might we not see our crop producing regions increase even beyond what could be expected simply by the warmer temperatures?
Lotta ifs, we live in interesting times.
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If we are talking about severe climate changes then this will almost certainly result in the migration of vast numbers of people - and that always causes grief.
My understanding about the Polar Icecaps is that if they melt, the sea level rises (but I'm not sure, as I heard this a long time ago without any authority).
Doesn't look good for mankind at all. I wonder what form of higher life will eventually replace us?
Ravs
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I think you're right Ravells, Seems I recall the ice caps aren't floating but are on ground which would raise sea level if they melted.
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This just in, WRI are kooks.
Thx drive thru.
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Haven't weather trends and data only been collected for 100 or so years?
How can we make such final statements regarding global warming and the end of life as we know it from such a small sampling?
I realize that population, the industrial age, etc, have been recent contributors to our enviroment, but still, who is qualified to unequivically decide what is or is not truth or fiction regarding global warming.
Is the sky falling or not.....I need to make some life choices....I need accurate data!!!!
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Although we do contribute, there were significant climates changes before humans were present and there will be non-human causes for climate change in the future. The natural cycle that exists is that every 100,000 years of an ice age is followed by 10-20,000 years of a warmer interglacial period. Scientific data shows that we are at the end of a warm spell and appear to be heading for a cooling trend.
Yes, damage from warming tends to be irreversible, but nature is consistently adaptable.
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Originally posted by Rude
Haven't weather trends and data only been collected for 100 or so years?
Yes. However, scientists are able to determine certain aspects of weather of past centuries by studying deep ice core samlples from the artic and antartic.
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Originally posted by Nakhui
Yes. However, scientists are able to determine certain aspects of weather of past centuries by studying deep ice core samlples from the artic and antartic.
Well....I have a difficult time just living my life correctly today....you guys post anything significant here in the O Club so i can hide in my basement:)
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Everytime i see gas prices rise i cheer in delite.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Everytime i see gas prices rise i cheer in delite.
Oh, you like paying more for your consumer goods?
Economics 101: When fuel prices rise, consumer good prices rise, everything from lettuce to CD's...they have to be transported by truck, train or airplane. The additional cost for shipping is reflected in the cost of the goods, which is paid for by you.
So while you're basking in delight, think again, you're paying more for everything, not just gas. ;)
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DeLite - all the toxicity of De without the taste.
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First off, I am not an expert on this (unlike most of the rest of the community) ;) but I believe that global warming will also increase the cloud layer, which blocks sunlight.. (last part of that sentence should be obvious to most of us) :D
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I'm not certain that it's irreversible, but it certainly gets more and more expensive. We could conceivably reach a point in the near future where we're forced to deploy orbital shields to block some sunlight to reduce heat. We can't just use ground based mirrors (or other high albedo surfaces) because once the sunlight is in the atmosphere, the greenhouse effect forces it to expend itself against kerfuffle in the atmosphere, adding heat.
It's an example of an incredibly expensive method for reducing global warming, but it would work.
I certainly hope there is resolution to this before it reaches that point. Unless, of course... the NEED for the orbital mirrors spurs the rest of the world into making space travel cheap... oh dear, conflict of interest....
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Originally posted by AKIron
Aside from the fact that I hate hot weather what detrimental effects can we expect to see with global warming? Of course there will be radical changes in global weather patterns but who can say what the result of that will be. Sea level will stay the same with the melting polar ice caps right? Or will it go down? If so that means more real estate, how much I have no idea.
Amidst the screams of "the sky is falling", the following seems to be true.
If we are entering a period of global warming (seems likely, but not definite), then the following will happen. Ocean salinity will decrease (polar ice melt) which in turn will change the circulation patterns of the ocean.
If the circulation patterns are changed in the ocean, a good fraction of the northern hemisphere will experience sustained average temperature decreases. Therefore, less arable land will be available to North Europe and North America.
Will this cause food shortages/social problems between Canada and the US? Personally, I doubt it. However, Canada and N.E. USA would be in for some interesting times. N.W. USA should be ok since it doesn't depend on ocean water for warming effects.
I'm not wise enough to even predict what will happen in Europe. Will they all jump in the same boat so that all can survive? I believe Canada and the US could do this.
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Amidst the screams of "the sky is falling", the following seems to be true.
If we are entering a period of global warming (seems likely, but not definite), then the following will happen. Ocean salinity will decrease (polar ice melt) which in turn will change the circulation patterns of the ocean.
If the circulation patterns are changed in the ocean, a good fraction of the northern hemisphere will experience sustained average temperature decreases. Therefore, less arable land will be available to North Europe and North America.
Will this cause food shortages/social problems between Canada and the US? Personally, I doubt it. However, Canada and N.E. USA would be in for some interesting times. N.W. USA should be ok since it doesn't depend on ocean water for warming effects.
I'm not wise enough to even predict what will happen in Europe. Will they all jump in the same boat so that all can survive? I believe Canada and the US could do this.
curly
I can find scientific data shows that we are at the end of a warm spell and appear to be heading for a cooling trend.
Pick your scientist, and the amount of Gov't funding, and I can get you any results you want.
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The problem is that when it happens, it will probably happen relatively quickly. Reach a certain threshhold(whatever that may be) then BOOM, we're SOL
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Pick your scientist, and the amount of Gov't funding, and I can get you any results you want. [/B]
ya... no shiat
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All I know is that it was 60 and sunny here yesterday and today its 35 and snowing.
beeyatch.. give it back!!!
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Rip
Froggy can cheer for higher gas prices, cause momy and Dady prolly pay for his car, gas and insurance.
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We'll all be driving cars like this before not too long. Still, you can paint flames on them! :)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/258_1079473340_car_image3.gif)
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I'd rather drive cars like this:
(http://www.blade-runner.it/images/spinner2.jpg)
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Taken from a film where the earth was so polluted the population left!
Ravs.
p.s. me too.
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I live about 5 miles from the beach in Daytona on about 8 acres.
Could someone tell me how many glaciers would have to melt to raise the sea level enough to give me 8 acres of ocean front property? It would be worth a freekin' fortune.
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Before that happens, the big 'quake will come and my farmland in Yuma, AZ will be beachfront property.
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"In my view, climate change is the most severe problem we are facing today," he wrote in Science magazine, "more serious even than the threat of terrorism."
What a Frikin Moron. Noone else find this statement a bit bizzare?
Like I will really care when I am in my wheel chair looking at all the clouds and need a thicker blanket on my lap.
Frog since your obviously rollin in the doe....Send me some bucks for my 1.77 a gallon Premium I have to run in my car. Just ask Mommy and Daqddy for like 100.00 a month more. Send it...I'd appreciate it:rolleyes:
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No...I find it quite sensible.
You are obviously thinking just about yourself, the scientist in question is thinking about the human race.
Ravs
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i drive a prius, and i dont drive that often.
GO GAS PRICES GO!!!
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*Is trying as hard as possible not to laugh at frogman's car.*
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laughing at the people that have 50 dollar fillups everyweek.
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Originally posted by ravells
No...I find it quite sensible.
You are obviously thinking just about yourself, the scientist in question is thinking about the human race.
Ravs
Let me weigh this......Terrorism is not as important to the human race as the global warming. Nope..I disagree and therefore..My worries on this topic are whether my grandchildren will make sure im warmer in my later years.
That is to say that IF some terrorist or Terrorist Org. doesnt get a hold of a Nuke and blast a place or 2. Yeah Yeah Yeah...I know..Sky is falling comments...But in the last few years it has become pretty evident in my eyes that People are trying to kill others at a rate faster than the "Ice Age Returneth".
Say what you want..think what ya like...But Global Warming is the LEAST of my worries in this big ole quagmire we call the EARTH.:)
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We shall see, Jackal. :(
Ravs
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A city is destroyed by a nuke, an entire country is destroyed by no food. You do know that Mesopotamia use to be fertile land? Its a desert now.
-SW
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And there are countless ancient cities which have died because they have lost their water.
All we have done is added to the problem.
ravs
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
All I know is that it was 60 and sunny here yesterday and today its 35 and snowing.
Thats ****ed up.
Thats nothing. Move to Milwaukee.
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"Send me some bucks for my 1.77 a gallon Premium I have to run in my car."
Dang, I wish. $2.15 reg unleaded in So Cali.
You know there used to be forests on the poles as well. And btw, one volcano spews way more trash into the sky than all the cars in america do in years. And we are all still here.
I know is that the hollywood crowd is all for the global warming scare. That's all I need to know to know it's a buncha crap.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
A city is destroyed by a nuke, an entire country is destroyed by no food. You do know that Mesopotamia use to be fertile land? Its a desert now.
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True but not because of global warming.
Mesopotamia was always a very arid land with highly seasonal rainfall. It became productive farmland centuries ago when the local civilization became wealthy enough through trading activities (see below) to extensively irrigate the land from the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, both of which are mineralized and salty rivers. Over time the irrigation of the fields destroyed the soil for farming by raising the salt and mineral content of the soils to the point where they were no longer able to produce crops.
The chief source of prosperity for Mesopotamia was as a trading and merchant nation, being bordered by the two main rivers of the region, which were the avenues of choice to move goods at the time, but neither of which are quite as important anymore in the modern world of trade.
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Oh and by the way, the same exact thing with irrigation raising the salinity of the soil is happening today in California's San Joaquin Valley. Farmers and scientists have been trying for several years to develop methods to "wash" the salt out of the soil with little success. In few hundred more years there probably won't be any farms there either or we will engineer plants that can thrive in a saltier environment.
But if you don't irrigate you can't grow any food either, not enough groundwater / rain.
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Originally posted by kj714
In few hundred more years there probably won't be any farms there either or we will engineer plants that can thrive in a saltier environment.
Could we develop popcorn that is presalted? If we could develop that prebuttered cannot be far behind.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Aside from the fact that I hate hot weather what detrimental effects can we expect to see with global warming?
Radical weather flucations.
Of course there will be radical changes in global weather patterns but who can say what the result of that will be.
Well we can say they will be radical changes. Daughts followed by floods. Well also see more violent weather and violent weather of great intensity. Typhons, hurricanes, tornados. The US would definately be subceptable to those. We are talking about a phenomenal amount of engery being added to the atmosphere.
Also, since warm air is capable of holding more moisture might we not see our crop producing regions increase even beyond what could be expected simply by the warmer temperatures?
If it wasn't for the radical weather change perhaps, but it will also mean that the great number of storms of greater intensity will have alot of precipitation in them. That water isn't going ot be doing crops much good if there is to much of it or if it's a massive hail storm.
Originally posted by Rude
Haven't weather trends and data only been collected for 100 or so years?
As was said earily, ice core sampling. As well as trees, some have been around for hundreds of years.
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Scientific data shows that we are at the end of a warm spell and appear to be heading for a cooling trend.
No it does not. It shows relatively stable temperature over the past 10,000 years, and a rapid (unprecidented in human history) increase of earth surface starting in the late 18th century/ early 19th century. And the increase if growing faster. Certainly no slow down or cooling happening.
(http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/images/fig2-20.gif)
You can find 10,000 year and 25,000 year trends here.
http://www.washington.edu/research/or/symposium/stone.pdf
Yes, damage from warming tends to be irreversible, but nature is consistently adaptable.
Sure nature will survive, but what will be the cost to humanity?
Originally posted by mosgood
First off, I am not an expert on this (unlike most of the rest of the community) but I believe that global warming will also increase the cloud layer, which blocks sunlight.. (last part of that sentence should be obvious to most of us)
I'm afraid clouds don't block infrared (the part of white light that causes heat) so more cloud cover wouldn't help.
Originally posted by VFJACKAL
"In my view, climate change is the most severe problem we are facing today," he wrote in Science magazine, "more serious even than the threat of terrorism."
What a Frikin Moron. Noone else find this statement a bit bizzare?
Apparently not the Pentagon.
"Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us
· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism
Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York
Sunday February 22, 2004
The Observer
Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.
The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.
'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'"
The rest of the article can be found here.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Well we can say they will be radical changes. Droughts followed by floods. We'll also see more violent weather and violent weather of great intensity. Typhoons, hurricanes, tornados. The US would definately be subceptable to those. We are talking about a phenomenal amount of energy being added to the atmosphere. .... It shows relatively stable temperature over the past 10,000 years, and a rapid (unprecidented in human history) increase of earth surface starting in the late 18th century/ early 19th century. And the increase if growing faster. Certainly no slow down or cooling happening.
The last page of the pdf you posted, (just thought it was intresting what the scientist thought):
• The magnitude and rapidity of past climatic changes go far
beyond human experience.
• We are still far from understanding these changes, and therefore the climate system.
• Past climatic changes wrought major physical and biological
changes, including effects on human development.
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I'm going down to MacDonalds to start fattening up for the big freeze...
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The majority of people will continue to remain blind to the potential dangers of this, until their property gets flooded or blown away. Destabilising a system so critical to our survival is stupid, but refusing to even look into the possibility that that is what might be happening is flat-earth thinking beyond belief. Humanity is probably too damn proud and arrogant to survive this century, climate change or not
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Agreed.
According to worldpopclock and usapopclock (Here (http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html)), and the article pointed to by Curly,
USA, with 4.6 % of the world population (292,815,735*100 / 6,354,732,856 ) produces 25% of the greenhouses gases. Certainly Europe still has huge efforts to make (although we seem to be ahead of the US on this field), but our efforts are vain if you guys don't follow us (or take the lead: you have the technology for it).
Honestly, I fear much more for my kids about this than about terrorism. Maybe we were overlooking the Iraq threat, but a lot of you are burying their head deep into the sand regarding the possible implications.
Like someone said, this is the old chinese curse all right: may we live in interesting times...
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Thrawn, like I said early, give me a scientist in need of Gov't funds and I'll give you the data you need.
Links like these suggests we're at the end of a warming cycle and potentially onto an ice age:
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc011702.html
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
It is also important to note that our current period of warmth is a very small spike in global temperatures that range the spectrum. Remember, for much of the earth's history, there were NO icecaps at all. Global warming is a very natural trend, whether or not we are accelerating the process. What is interesting is that the process is really a cycle, the earth will respond to regulate the closed system, most likely with an ice age.
You might also open that "free thinker" mind of yours to articles such as this one: Green Lies (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/distracted_by_green_lies.htm)
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Hey, I'm from Fargo ND.
Bring it ON BABY!
Its just the area's warmed by the Gulf stream that will really suffer. Way I figure it Eastern Canada & Europe have been sucking up our heat for centruy's now.
Time to pay the piper no?
Global warming doesn't scare me.
Now the next ICE AGE, that gets my attention.
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Ghosth you old Stooge!
Originally posted by Ghosth
Way I figure it Eastern Canada & Europe have been sucking up our heat for centruy's now.
Now that explains the funny smell on warm days :p
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so what's the problem? population? great, global disater or super flus caused by overcrowding...
They are all self regulating... they might kill off a billion or so and then we can start over. No big deal.
still... all this doom and gloom from a tiny little snapshot in time data wise is..... laughable and smacks of manipulation.... look at how it makes froggy get all wet and lubed up... some people are easily manipulated and tales of disaster and doom are the scientist best friend for them fat grants and the government goes along for the power they can grab from the fear.
bunch a wussies... the only good thing is that when thing inevitably go to ****e... the wussy city girls will get hurt the most.
lazs
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Rip, I think your reasoning is flawed. I'm heading to work now but hopefully I'll be able to explain why later tonight.
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Originally posted by Dowding
DeLite - all the toxicity of De without the taste.
Well said
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Rip
Froggy can cheer for higher gas prices, cause momy and Dady prolly pay for his car, gas and insurance.
SHACK!!!!!
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Or, maybe we should make a concerted effort to develop power sources that are less dependent on fossil fuels and that produce fewer or no greenhouse gases.
Either that or we just joke about it and complain that the libs are claiming the sky is falling.
Pick yer poison.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Or, maybe we should make a concerted effort to develop power sources that are less dependent on fossil fuels and that produce fewer or no greenhouse gases.
Either that or we just joke about it and complain that the libs are claiming the sky is falling.
Pick yer poison.
The sky IS falling....run for your life man!!!!!
Maybe this whole discussion is like that of Supermans father...he tried to warn those governing Krypton that the end was near....no one listened.
Mankind will set the stage for the end....God will bring the final judgement, not global warming:)
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Rude... are you really proposing that it is more likely that some chap with a white beard and riding a chariot (or whatever) is a more likely scenario for the earth's ending than an ecological catastrophe for humans?
Ravs
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Originally posted by Rude
... Mankind will set the stage for the end....God will bring the final judgement, not global warming:)
If you believe in God (I don't), how do you think he will judge those who wasted the garden he put us in??
Or is this another It's God's will stunt so nobody is responsible?
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Originally posted by ravells
Rude... are you really proposing that it is more likely that some chap with a white beard and riding a chariot (or whatever) is a more likely scenario for the earth's ending than an ecological catastrophe for humans?
Ravs
I just believe that the Bible is the word of God....it tells me that God will bring judgement on his people one final time.
The same Bible tells specifically of increased severe weather disasters and earthquakes and defines these events as signs of the coming judgement.
It's really that simple....nothing personal towards anyone of different beliefs...it's just that my faith is really that simple. I don't fear globbal warming or any other event mankind seems so concerned with....but hey...that's just me:)
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That's interesting, Rude.
So you think it's inevitable and that we can do nothing about it?
I don't know an awful lot about Christianity - this 'judgment' you speak of, who will be be judged, for what purpose and on what criteria?
Ravs
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Thats the problem with alot of christian thought. They never want to do anything to help mankind. They dont care about the enviroment or if a spieces will go extinct. Its all gods will in their eyes. Same kind of thought leads people to hijack planes and crash them into buildings because they also think that is gods will.
Same kind of thought brought down the roman empire. Once they converted to christiananity they stoped trying to be proactive with their economy and empire and just started praying.
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How do you twist a thread from Global Warming to a Christianity Bash?
You guys are frikken pros.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
How do you twist a thread from Global Warming to a Christianity Bash?
You guys are frikken pros.
just read what rude typed out.
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Actually, I've wondered if the reason that more isn't done about cutting pollution, conservation of resources, etc is because people are expecting the Rapture(is that what it's called?) to happen soon. How is that really different than the guys who commited suicide in order to hop on the spaceship that was with the comet(Hale-Bopp I think)
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Doesn't God help those who help themselves?
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Originally posted by ravells
My understanding about the Polar Icecaps is that if they melt, the sea level rises (but I'm not sure, as I heard this a long time ago without any authority).
Ravs
Put it this way. tiny island nations like Yap and Palau will go under if the global sea level rises 18 inches (read it in literature from Woods Hole, that other pinko commie liberal institute). The ice caps will add upwards of 40 feet to the current sea level worldwide. But, we're in a recession, and we're at war, so, the rest of the free world needs to understand that.
Start buying up that Himalayan real estate, fellas!
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NM Tech researcher: Global warming may be less severe than predicted
Last Update: 03/17/2004 7:44:53 AM
By: Associated Press
(Albuquerque-AP) -- Work by a New Mexico researcher suggests global warming may be less severe than some predictions.
But it also undercuts an argument made by global warming skeptics that a lack of water vapor could cool the planet.
Ken Minschwaner—an atmospheric physicist at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology—and others used data from a NASA satellite to study how much water vapor there is in the upper atmosphere.
The results show that as things warm up at Earth’s surface, water vapor in the upper atmosphere rises. That challenges global warming skeptics’ argument that the upper atmosphere would get drier as Earth’s surface heats up.
But the amount of water vapor the team found falls short of the level typical of global climate computer simulations used to predict future warming trends.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Or, maybe we should make a concerted effort to develop power sources that are less dependent on fossil fuels and that produce fewer or no greenhouse gases.
Either that or we just joke about it and complain that the libs are claiming the sky is falling.
Pick yer poison.
One of the great benefits of a free press is that it affords everyone an opportunity to access the news about the events of our times, but one of its great drawbacks is that it permits groups with hidden agendas to mask their goals by manipulating public opinion and policy. With freedom comes the responsibility to be not merely informed, but to be able to discern truth from propaganda.
http://www.crowley-offroad.com/distracted_by_green_lies.htm
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Even if global warming dose not scare people. You should at least support milage standards so that we dont burn the gas prices even higher. Sure alot of the high prices are due to opec, but noone is talking about the oil comapanys lieing about the size of their reserves for the past 5 years.
Of course ford just raised the white flag , and bought the rights to produce the toyota prius engine for their new hybrid cars.
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milage standards? you mean mandatory bans on some automobiles right?
What's the point... when we run out of dino juice we will do something. you just want to drag it out.... make the suffering last as long as possible and affect as many as possible... typical socialist kid.
lazs
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they can make any car today have better gas milage. But they dont because it would cost the Corp money. Costs the consumer in the long run with gas prices, but most people would rather pay 2k less for a huge suv now then have one of the same size with better gas milage and save them 50 bucks a week for the life of the car.
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froggie... with your decades long experiance with the internal combustion engine... perhaps you could explain exactly how you could get more gas milage out of any engine?
lazs
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They can make any size car or suv with a gas electric; but if people really think they need a SUV to commute to work everyday by all means go ahead and blow 50 or 100 bucks a week.
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**** the grandkids, I'm cold NOW!
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a "gas electric"?? Have you driven one of those things? Like most new cars are not boring enough! Perfect little socialist mobile for the brave new world eh?
No... let it all go to hell and then when about half the folks die off there will be plenty for the survivors to start over with.
lazs
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Yea i drive a prius.
My noodle is quite large so i dont feel the need to drive a car with a v8 that i dont need to get where im going.
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well I for one hate this warming trend...
whether or not it's 'global warming' due to mankind will be up for debate but that's not the point.
too frikkin' hot and not enough water. drought - city ahead.
ok that and the fargin' ski slopes close to early lately and the fly fishing dries up ... ugh
in fact, the term 'air conditioner' was a joke up here...
now they're becoming common :(
however... I don't want an ice-age either.. man I'd hate to have to move to Fla.. eeeeek
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oh yeah.. and the "gas electric" cars... lol
there was a free use one in Aspen this summer...
no wanted to drive it!
why? sucked trying to go uphill. That and the the fact that every guy that drove it is now a monk.. well.. self-explanitory
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Lazs,
Sometimes you make sense and sometimes you're way off your rocker. In this case you are way off your rocker.
My roommate bought a 2004 Prius (the new kind) and it is a fine car. Its acceleration is quite comparable with other mid size cars, it gets 55mpg and it emits far less polution. What exactly is the problem with that? How is that, oooh bogeyman word, "socialist"?
Rip,
Conservatives love to make that kind of claim all the time but never back it up. Furthermore they latch onto the heavy mionority of researchers who say global climate change isn't happening, may not happen or will not be as severe as thought and try to portary the issue as massively up in the air.
The fact of the matter is that peer review is far, far more effective at culling the crap out than you give it credit. Futhermore, funding fights don't carry anything like the weight into research conclusions that you are insinuating.
Let me put it this way:
If we don't go into Iraq and he has WMD that he uses on us we get hurt bad.
If we don't go into Iraq and he doesn't have WMD we don't get hurt.
If we go into Iraq and he has WMD we stop him from hurting us and spend some money.
If we go into Iraq and he doesn't have WMD then we've only spent money we didn't have to.
Is the same formula (minus the war and dying bits) as this:
If global climate change is happening and we don't act to mitigate it we get hurt bad.
If global climate change is not happening and we don't act we don't get hurt.
If we act to mitigate global climate change and it is happening, then we spend money and get hurt less.
If we act to mitigate global climate change and it is not happening, then we spend money that we didn't have to.
Of course the ironic part is that if we do act to mitigate it and are successful, the Conservatives will crow about how it was never happening and use as evidence the fact that it didn't happen. See Y2K for reference.
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Karnak
I think Laz's protest are more along the lines of some people wanting to ban anything but cars like the prius.
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Karnac, thank you for making absolute sense.
good on you.
Ravs
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maybe nostalgics will simulate the combustion sounds when electrics become more performant.
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I'm sorry if this sounds like an american bash but it's people living up to stereotypes...
Americans do love fast, big, gas guzzling cars...don't they?
and they like painting fire stripes on them too (not sure why)
Ravs
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Revells yes we do and guns too.
You know I just had a funny though... some of you guys scream about the patriot act cause it is infringing on your rights.
But if the rights infringing comes from envirnmental legislations you are happy to give it away....
Interesting.
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Rav
I am sure you will never understand cool flames on a car, your English after all. :D
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not my rights and not my country, mate.
But it is my planet. You lot are putting out 25% of the pollution here. And you have no intention of stopping.
The real irony is that America has become so 'anti smoking' whilst smoking this planet to death.
Do the planet a favour and sign the Kyoto protocol. But of course you can't because while we're debating how many angels can fit on a pin head, this planet is going to hell.
ravs
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gator! put some flames on an electric car!
I'm sure they'll look just as good.
btw, I'm buying one in a couple of months.
Ravs
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Rav
That rights thing really was not aimed at you.
Still I can see the point, I do not have a problem with cleaner burning cars ETC, as long as we are not forced to give up muscle cars/ old cars that are in good shape. They really acount for very little of the polution.
Are cars really the problem or is it industry that is causing it?
Flames on a electric car? Without a real V8 rumbling flames don't me **** =P That would make me a RICER!
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Americans do love fast, big, gas guzzling cars...don't they?
wha??? this has to be explained?
sigh.. you don't get it then.. maybe if you lived here and experienced it you would...
when I was a young lad I though girls were 'icky' too...
smelled funny, used up tons of resources...
until I experienced one :) then I went "AHHH.. now I get it"
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Wlfgang: and then we had AIDS and it was a death sentence to sleep with people indiscriminately.
Don't get me wrong, I like lovely cars, except we have come to a point that cars have to be no polluting. God knows we have the technology to do it.
Gatr: I think it's a bit of both, cars make lots of money so they have lots of money to put into advertising...so we tend to fall into this 'well it's good for my lifestyle' option.
It would be such a pity if we had the tech to do something about the destruction of humanity on this planet and chose not to do it, because we were brainwashed by advertising and peer group pressure.
Ravs
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You have to understand that alot of men in america have inferiority complex's. It reminds me of M.A.D. As soon as the guy next door buys a bigger truck/suv then what you have; you trade in your car that your still making payments on in order to get a bigger one, with a hemi!
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This is in relation to the size of their......
well, there's right wing americans for you.
Ravs
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Originally posted by Karnak
change Futhermore, funding fights don't carry anything like the weight into research conclusions that you are insinuating.
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I'm assuming you have facts and data to back that up. Waiting...
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
You have to understand that alot of men in america have inferiority complex's. It reminds me of M.A.D. As soon as the guy next door buys a bigger truck/suv then what you have; you trade in your car that your still making payments on in order to get a bigger one, with a hemi!
Sounds like alittle envy there, son ;)
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
You have to understand that alot of men in america have inferiority complex's. It reminds me of M.A.D. As soon as the guy next door buys a bigger truck/suv then what you have; you trade in your car that your still making payments on in order to get a bigger one, with a hemi!
You are a true piece of Work
I drive a Vette everyday back and forth to work...1.77 a gallon at present for Premium Unleaded and it's getting 28.7 miles per gallon at this time...I'll give you pics if you wish to prove that.
V8 350 hp and it's not that I need it to show my manlyness...ITS BECAUSE I CAN DRIVE IT....Course...If Mommy and Daddy were buying my ride...I would prolly have to settle for a HEMI anyway.:lol
Your amazing....This lil gem was entertaining as well.....
Thats the problem with alot of christian thought. They never want to do anything to help mankind. They dont care about the enviroment or if a spieces will go extinct. Its all gods will in their eyes. Same kind of thought leads people to hijack planes and crash them into buildings because they also think that is gods will.
At least I know..beyond a doubt right now...That if there is a golf course in heaven....You wont be someone Ill see there.
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Good Jackal...nice to see you not getting excited.
Ravs
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karnak.. and all... you guys crack me up.. cars, guns, coffee, women... I do a lot of things that may or may not be good for me or the rest of planet... you haven't shown me much proof about the planet thing tho... the comparrison to iraq had one flaw... but a major one.. You are taking away my freedom to do as I please based on your junk science.
as for the prius... I don't care how "practial" it is... I don't like practical cars... they are boring... Get it? NO FUN..
but go ahead... do whatever.. the main problem is overpopulation.. reduce polution per capita by 25% and then add 50% population... eventually we will simply lose out freedom and still be polluted... more likely... the next superflu will thin out the population by killing off about half..
the surviors will have plenty of resources to go around and any damage to the planet that may have been caused will heal.... and.... I won't have to listen to you whiny little socialist busybodies.
or... we find a new planet to use up. worked for the plains indians.
Win/win.
lazs
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worked for the plains indians.
dunno about that.. I'm still waiting for my piece of land.. :p
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
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Yup, no hidden "keep on driving, the environment is fine" agenda there. :D
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wolfgang... yep... worked for the plains indians till someone bigger came along... we should just use stuff up and move on just like they did till someone bigger comes along.
population is the problem.... nothing else. Nothing is a solution so long as population grows. Unless we move, of course. I don't want to give up my rights and end up like a third world country like england or something... lets just continue to do what we want and the rest of the world can go pound sand.
a prious is not a solution for me... heck... I don't even see the problem that such a ridiculous solution is meant to solve.
lazs
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population is the problem
that's exactly right... it's why I left Cali .. doh!
of course, now they're moving here. Except Lazs.
See I like you Lazs... you knows you like it where it's warm all the time and you don't really want to deal with snow .
I mean.. you can visit but.. you know.. head back before winter :)
Really though, I agree totally about population being the problem.
None of this stuff would be an issue (global warming, fuel shortages, food shortages, etc) if there weren't so many people... especially non-productive people.
I wonder what the ratio is? productive people - leeches
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don't matter wlfgang... the next super disease won't care who is a good person or not. It might matter to the survivors tho. either way... with population you get war and disease or you get riots and shortages and famine...
it all works out in the end... all that death ends the problem....nothing to get excited about.
lazs
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agreed.
that and the planet could care less. It'll be here long after we are and things will be, as they are now, normal.
Hell.. I'm still having fun.
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yep... me too but the enemies of fun will allways try to take your guns away and make you drive electric mini vans...
They will say it is for your own good "you will put your eye out" "the planet is doomed and we will all drown in our own sweat if you don't give in to the failed countries demands" "if you don't fund us you are doomed" "do it for the children" "if it saves only one life then it will be worth it"
They start by fooling the most gullible of us... the young and the academics. The Politicians see that dooms sells programs and... they are all about programs.
lazs
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And here I thought it was cause they thought being enviro rutabagas would get them laid by hair armpit Green broads...
You are prolly right Laz, they are just gollible.
:D
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the enemies of fun will allways try to take your guns away and make you drive electric mini vans...
****'em
and that's funny as hell... "make you drive electric mini vans.."
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Yeah, I wish I didn't have to drive my Tahoe around, but I have to have it to pull the boat to the river. I wouldn't have that boat if my girl didn't look so da** good in it. :D
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BTW, no flames on an electric car!
How about some killer lightning bolts!
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Originally posted by VFJACKAL
You are a true piece of Work
I drive a Vette everyday back and forth to work...1.77 a gallon at present for Premium Unleaded and it's getting 28.7 miles per gallon at this time...I'll give you pics if you wish to prove that.
V8 350 hp and it's not that I need it to show my manlyness...ITS BECAUSE I CAN DRIVE IT....Course...If Mommy and Daddy were buying my ride...I would prolly have to settle for a HEMI anyway.:lol
Your amazing....This lil gem was entertaining as well.....
Thats the problem with alot of christian thought. They never want to do anything to help mankind. They dont care about the enviroment or if a spieces will go extinct. Its all gods will in their eyes. Same kind of thought leads people to hijack planes and crash them into buildings because they also think that is gods will.
At least I know..beyond a doubt right now...That if there is a golf course in heaven....You wont be someone Ill see there.
Oh so that means your a christian. So according to your religion all you have to do is accept jesus into your heart and all will be forgiven. Well i might not be on that golf course in 'heaven', but say hi to hitler for me.
Ill be in hell with the likes of ghandi.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Oh so that means your a christian. So according to your religion all you have to do is accept jesus into your heart and all will be forgiven. Well i might not be on that golf course in 'heaven', but say hi to hitler for me.
Ill be in hell with the likes of ghandi.
I doubt very seriously Hitler ever accepted Jesus into his heart.
And Ghandi may have before he died...Never know...
I'm fairly confident you won't have sense enuff to before you go..So enjoy whatever Hell is. :rolleyes:
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ghandi was never a christian. and hitler was a devote one.
SO have a nice foursome with hitler.
Ill be in hell eating hot wings with socrates, plato, and aristotle.
( even though platos ideas later created neo-platonic thought which layed the ground work for the christian religion. You know they whole concept that the corporeal world is not the truth,forsake it, and that you can only find absolute truth using the mind and not your sences.)
btw there is no heaven or hell, remember before you you were born? No well that is what will happen.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
ghandi was never a christian. and hitler was a devote one.
SO have a nice foursome with hitler.
Ill be in hell eating hot wings with socrates, plato, and aristotle.
( even though platos ideas later created neo-platonic thought which layed the ground work for the christian religion. You know they whole concept that the corporeal world is not the truth,forsake it, and that you can only find absolute truth using the mind and not your sences.)
btw there is no heaven or hell, remember before you you were born? No well that is what will happen.
There is a difference in saying your a christian and living the life. You prolly should read a tad more about hitler. Yo may find a few flaws in that statment of him being a christian. Course you may not as well since you dont believe in it.
And since you choose to believe there is no Heaven or Hell...Enjoy!