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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Shane on March 17, 2004, 01:28:56 AM
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thanks for shortening the night cycle.
:D
if it's a mistake... don't fix it. :aok
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Originally posted by Shane
thanks for shortening the night cycle.
:D
if it's a mistake... don't fix it. :aok
OMG are you serious! There is a God! Praise Jesus! HTC if you really did this you have my permission to bill my credit card another 10 dollars in April, HiTech, go have a couple of beers on me. =)
I'm serious ;)
Zazen
P.S. If you get rid of Pizza map and Big Isles and you can bill my CC another 100 dollars and take a trip to your local nudie bar and really 'unwind' on me! heh
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well you still have dusk and dawn, but no "darkness."
no complaints.
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More proof that HTC cares about customers.
WTG HTC!!!
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woohoooo!:)
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Thank HTC!:aok
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cant handle more than 10minutes of darkness? great...bunch of rutabagas....
thanks very much HTC:mad: :rolleyes:
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I actually like the night and am very disappointed to see this. :(
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cant handle more than 10minutes of darkness? great...bunch of rutabagas....
There's always one "hero" amongst the Flock.
If this is true wtg. If Its a mistake, plz dont fix it
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=( I like night.
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More time to kill, thanks HTC :D
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Originally posted by Flossy
I actually like the night and am very disappointed to see this. :(
Need that beauty sleep, eh? :)
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Thankyou Hitech!
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Well, it's one of the only times that you can hide on the way to target. So you don't grab the bright silver P51d. You grab a F4u or other blue plane. You'd be almost impossible to spot.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Well, it's one of the only times that you can hide on the way to target. So you don't grab the bright silver P51d. You grab a F4u or other blue plane. You'd be almost impossible to spot.
You must be using those dark blue icons too. lol
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i too like the nite.
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Thank you HT
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Outstanding! Ding-dong the witch is dead :D.
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Why would you want to hide from anyone?
lazs
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Thanks HTC.
Hooligan
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Originally posted by lazs2
Why would you want to hide from anyone?
lazs
Wouldn't want the toolsheds to see you coming.
Excellent, HTC.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Why would you want to hide from anyone?
lazs
Because Lazs, sneak attacks are realistic. So there are no night fighters, waa waa there's no ground level fog to obscure targets either and smoke effects are pathetic BUT night was the great equalizer between the buffs and the buff hunters.
Realizing this is a game, it is still a game that is premised on a realistic representation of what pilots in ww2 had to contend with.
Deeply pissed off by this HTC. Maybe you should add auto-aim too so that discipline on the trigger is unnecessary as well. If this is a mistake please fix it. :mad:
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I don't think auto firing would be very realistic but having day fighter planes only fly in the daytime seems pretty realistic eh?
lazs
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what is wrong with you guys? icons show where the bloody targets are.
no night fighters?
who cares night was never really dark anyway.
to me, dusk and dawn is worse than full blown night because at night, you have the moon giving off enough light anyway..........:o
ok since night has gone, can we remove clouds too? :( (im not joking either)
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Realizing this is a game, it is still a game that is premised on a realistic representation of what pilots in ww2 had to contend with.
The night air war in AH bears absolutely no resemblance to WW2. No nightfighters, bright Icons, adjustable gamma (no two versions of night the same), no searchlights no real navigational issues. It's just AH day with unrealistic gunnery challenges.
If HTC sets up a realistic night with all of the above, and a planeset limited to Lancasters and German fighters (single seat fighters having to rely on searchlights and sector bars), no night "jabos" no icons and "radar" equipped nightfighters you might have an argument.
Just how many undefended bases were sneaked at night in WW2 anyway? How many nighttime jabo raids were there?
Charon
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In WWII they didn't have your autofiring and they did not have dayfighters doing nitefiter duty. seems simple enough.
lazs
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Er no, no she doesn't. :o
Thanks for getting rid of the pitch black :)
Originally posted by NoBaddy
Need that beauty sleep, eh? :)
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Wouldn't want the toolsheds to see you coming.
Excellent, HTC.
Lol, exactly! Night was great for those who had no intention of actually fighting but wanted to get a 'free pass' to a 'porkable' target. Good riddance, I say.
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Well that's too bad, I also enjoyed the night. Had a hell of a fun fight a couple of days ago with Rooks as we fought off a CV full of bad guys trying to take A17. Fighters coming in, and LVTs trying to roll up to shore under the cover of darkness. That was fun as hell. There's still other fun to be had, but I'll miss the night...if it's gone by design, that is. I preferred the actual night part more than dusk/dawn.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
There's always one "hero" amongst the Flock.
If this is true wtg. If Its a mistake, plz dont fix it
Make that two.
I liked the night
any of you yo yos ever considering adjusting the brightness on your monitor or Graphic card software?
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Lol, exactly! Night was great for those who had no intention of actually fighting but wanted to get a 'free pass' to a 'porkable' target. Good riddance, I say.
Dont need darkess to pork feilds. I can and will do it anytime. anywhere.
few p[eople ever actually TRY to stop me anyway.
Now I will redouble my efforts
Heh, you aint seen baseporking ..yet:D
I liked the night cause of the effect. Bases looking like Bahgdad during Gulf War 1
The Silloette of the moonlight reflecting off of bombers. the stars, the moon
was wonderful to look at
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Make that two.
I liked the night
any of you yo yos ever considering adjusting the brightness on your monitor or Graphic card software?
On the one hand you say you like night. Then you say you manipulate your card's gamma settings to nullify it's effects...lol
Manipulating your gamma settings too far from baseline can shorten the life of your monitor by the way.
Just the fact that night's effects are so easily manipulated by the players is reason enough to remove it from play until a more robust implementation that precludes user manipulation and more closely resembles the actual real life conditions can be programmed, including the modelling of the various night specific ground and air equipment that made night fighting what it really was in WW2 (searchlights, specially equipped aircraft etc.). Night fighting was not a bunch of daylight aircraft pork and augering into field strats with little fear of interception or air to air retribution...
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Need that beauty sleep, eh? :)
Yes, I actually need all the beauty sleep I can get! But please keep the night in AH! :p
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very disppointed that a handful whine about night and you get rid of it, and nightime is a GOOD thing.
But a couple hundred complain about Pizza, and yet it is still in rotation.
Almost disappointed to the point of heading elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
On the one hand you say you like night. Then you say you manipulate your card's gamma settings to nullify it's effects...lol
No, he suggested that you manipulate the gamma settings on your computer.
Originally posted by Zazen13
Just the fact that night's effects are so easily manipulated by the players is reason enough to remove it from play until a more robust implementation that precludes user manipulation and more closely resembles the actual real life conditions can be programmed, including the modelling of the various night specific ground and air equipment that made night fighting what it really was in WW2 (searchlights, specially equipped aircraft etc.). Night fighting was not a bunch of daylight aircraft pork and augering into field strats with little fear of interception or air to air retribution...
So, do away with anything that doesn't "resemble the actual real life conditions" of WWII? LOL, indeed.
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Personally, I need ALL the help I can get in shooting down planes
as I'm NOT a hot-shot, dead eye pilot, however, I seem to do better at NITE than daytime, yes there were nite planes in ETO &
PTO who became aces at their skills, point of fact.
Taking USN aircraft or a Niki hides ur plane very well, colors Navy Blue & dk. green. A kill is a kill no matter when.
Keep the nite action, I say, & let the nite fights begin in all phases
of arenas, from H2H to MA :aok
Happy1 :D <----- needs P47 ammo load in a Spitefire14 frame-->
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In WW2, weren't some planes dedicated to night fighting?
What i'm trying to get at is to have "Night Fighting" skins for most planes. That way you can choose one for when it's night time.
If you really want to take a bright silver P51d, go right ahead.
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Originally posted by lazs2
In WWII they didn't have your autofiring and they did not have dayfighters doing nitefiter duty. seems simple enough.
lazs
Quite. They didn't have auto-aim, nor did the earth cease rotating so the sun could bake Europe and Japan between september 1939 and may 1945.
The solution is not to simply do away with night. Anymore than getting rid of pizza map is the best way to deal with its shortfalls.
If you don't like flying during the night pick a different strategy, use a gv, or petition HTC to actually produce night fighters.
The icons should be harder to see. I agree that as they stand they're a friggin sign post and an impediment to the concept of night time flying but they can be fixed.
-see part 2
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Heck let's get rid of dot dar. WW2 fighters didn't have enemy positions clearly displayed for them. Bar dar is only moderately better. Radar would be better served if there was an occasional text message put out by the system stating where enemy planes were making incursions. British radar relied on a central dispatching service of sorts. I bet you'd find your daytime flying a lot more challenging without these "realistic" enhancements.
While we're on the point of night time flying, there's no law of physics that says a day fighter couldn't get off the ground and fly to a target. It's chances of making it to the target (or staying airbourne) were slim to none - but not physically impossible.
Petitioning to get a part of the game others enjoy deleted is unfair to those who pay to play just as you do. HTC has made a mistake in this case ... the movement to erase pizza was far more coherent and better supported than removing a day part because a few players *****ed about it. In fact removing Pizza would be a mistake too. But i digress.
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Adogg, as others have suggested, you can just turn your monitor way down when you want to simulate night. Turning up monitors is what people told night haters to do in order to game night out. Ergo, you can game night back in... turn that monitor down!
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Originally posted by Steve
Adogg, as others have suggested, you can just turn your monitor way down when you want to simulate night. Turning up monitors is what people told night haters to do in order to game night out. Ergo, you can game night back in... turn that monitor down!
Or when night time comes around you could always jack up your gamma liek you probhably did anyway
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Madman, you're a couple of pages behind in the script.
Try to keep up.
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THANK COD! PRAISE CHEEZES!
HT, definitely a step in the right direction. Nite suxxed badly.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think auto firing would be very realistic but having day fighter planes only fly in the daytime seems pretty realistic eh?
lazs
So the Germans didn't institute the Wilde Sau program using day fighters roaming defined air-defense zones at night to attack incoming Allied bombers? I would point you at Jagdgeschwader 301/302 "Wilde Sau" (http://www.angelraybooks.com/books/motor/0012mv.htm) for a book about the two Luftwaffe fighter squadrons that did exactly that.
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so much for timing those lancaster HQ raids to fall in the darkeness when over target............
Also, theres a gamma slider in ah2 if ya hadn't noticed :) Unfortunetly, it doesn't turn everyones else's FE down to night....
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but who cares what the losers did?
lazs
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Thanks HTC! Night made no sense to me with people increasing contrast/brightness, lack of nightfighters, and icons made it a joke anyway.
Excellent work! :D
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Yah, who cares what the losers did. Do what the winners did...vulch, play altmonkey, gangbang...etc.. Yah gotta love it :)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
On the one hand you say you like night. Then you say you manipulate your card's gamma settings to nullify it's effects...lol
Manipulating your gamma settings too far from baseline can shorten the life of your monitor by the way.
Just the fact that night's effects are so easily manipulated by the players is reason enough to remove it from play until a more robust implementation that precludes user manipulation and more closely resembles the actual real life conditions can be programmed, including the modelling of the various night specific ground and air equipment that made night fighting what it really was in WW2 (searchlights, specially equipped aircraft etc.). Night fighting was not a bunch of daylight aircraft pork and augering into field strats with little fear of interception or air to air retribution...
I do like the night. and I never ONCE said that I manipulated my cards settings.
Fact of the matter is I have .. Though VERY slight. just enough so that night isnt BLACK. I only do this cause my monitor aint the newest iin the world and its brightness is already on the way out. BTW I have it adjusted for everything not just this game and I dont change the settings with the rising and setting of the sun within the game
the settings I set Probably end up being what night is intended to look like in the game. that is dark enough to seem like night but not so dark you cant see anything.
I say. leave the day and night. it adds to the game
And I seem to remember the Brits used to do night raids quite a bit during the war.
searchlights were only maginaly effective
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Make that two.
I liked the night
any of you yo yos ever considering adjusting the brightness on your monitor or Graphic card software?
have you? u can make it night 24/7 if you want.
:D
i leave the gamey gamma gits to their own devices.
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Originally posted by SOB
No, he suggested that you manipulate the gamma settings on your computer.
So, do away with anything that doesn't "resemble the actual real life conditions" of WWII? LOL, indeed.
LOL if we did that we wouldnt have a game.
Wonder how many pilots flew through blackous intentionally.
Thing is here if you have a general idea where you are in the air you can ride out a blackout in flight and still remain in complete control of the aircraft
Would seem to me that when one blacks out it takes several moments to recover and get ones bearings UNLIKE here
Not to mention you wouldnt be steering your plane while blacked out cause.. well your blacked out.
But wait maybe there is some merit here.
seems to me I remember spits had rear view mirrors.
We dont have that here so maybe we can do away with the dwee err I mean spitfires.
Flights to find a fight often took 8 hours or more. guess we need to space out the airfeilds more cause I never heard oif an instance where an enemy and allied airfeild were so close you could get at each other with a mere 5 min flight.
oh and in real life you couldnt ZOOM your view in on a target either
I could go on and on and on
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The real issue here, is the same issue at the core of any simulation. The issue is realism vs. playability. HTC has demonstrated that it has a firm grasp on this concept. There is a point of diminishing returns when attempting to add more realism to a gaming environment when that realism entails a disproportionate decrease in playability. The night issue is just an example of realism intruding at the detriment of playability.
The fact that there was much more to night fighting during WW2 than a dark sky clearly enunciates the salient point that what we had was actually just day fighting in the dark! This is not even vaguely close to what really occurred during WW2. So, not only was the realism costing too much in terms of playability, it wasn't even really realistic at all, it was quasi-realistic. HTC's decision to just leave it at dusk/dawn was a good call when viewed in the context of realism vs. playability.
Zazen
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In your opinion.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
oh and in real life you couldnt ZOOM your view in on a target either
Nor did you have the limited peripheral vision that we have here in default view. The "zoom" we have is actually variable peripheral vision. In the default view, the aircraft are artificially reduced in size in order to scale correctly with the angle of vision allowed.
There are some REAL OLD threads on this that explain it in detail.
In short, the default visual cues are in no way representative of RL. Which is also the reason why HT put in icons.
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Originally posted by SOB
In your opinion.
Of course, as always my posts are on behalf of the silent majority that echo my sentiments (they whisper in my ear).
Zazen
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but really was just 1 hour of night bad? it never really was dark...
i mean under clouds is darker for me
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Of course, as always my posts are on behalf of the silent majority that echo my sentiments (they whisper in my ear).
Zazen
Wow, I only have one little leprechaun that whispers in my ear. He tells me to burn things.
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What was bad was that it seemed to inordinantly fall during US Prime Time and particularly during our Wed. squad nights.
It got to be far more than an irritant.
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Originally posted by Overlag
but really was just 1 hour of night bad? it never really was dark...
i mean under clouds is darker for me
It sure was, especially when it hit at prime-time and you just had a bad day at work. You log on to wupp someone's virtual arse only to find the gloomy darkness ominously encroaching. Chagrined you are forced to log-off or go afk and kick your dog instead ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
It sure was, especially when it hit at prime-time and you just had a bad day at work. You log on to wupp someone's virtual arse only to find the gloomy darkness ominously encroaching. Chagrined you are forced to log-off or go afk and kick your dog instead ;)
Zazen
DA, CT is around too, instead everyone whined and now no one gets night. Why was you forced to log off?
sure i understand what you are saying, you got 1 hour to play the game and dam, its night but should that make HT spoil peoples fun who injoy night?
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In an earlier time, everyone whined and then day time became a random event during Prime Time.
What goes around, comes around. Night will come back, I'm sure.
In the meantime, do what we all did.
Oh, wait........
;)
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Originally posted by Overlag
DA, CT is around too, instead everyone whined and now no one gets night. Why was you forced to log off?
sure i understand what you are saying, you got 1 hour to play the game and dam, its night but should that make HT spoil peoples fun who injoy night?
DA, CT? The MA is where the action and satisfaction is. That's why there's 500 people in MA, 25 in CT and 6 in DA prime-time...HTC makes it's money from us becuase of our addiction to the MA. If HTC had to live on the money from the players in the CT and DA, it would be based in HiTech's basement and the server would be an overclocked Commodore 64.
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Originally posted by Toad
What was bad was that it seemed to inordinantly fall during US Prime Time and particularly during our Wed. squad nights.
It got to be far more than an irritant.
It was also hardcoded to come just after a map reset. All maps that came up, came up at dusk, very anti-climactic after a really nail biting reset contest.
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Originally posted by Toad
In an earlier time, everyone whined and then day time became a random event during Prime Time.
What goes around, comes around. Night will come back, I'm sure.
In the meantime, do what we all did.
Oh, wait........
;)
arnt we? :rofl
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OUTSTANDING !!
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So the Germans didn't institute the Wilde Sau program using day fighters roaming defined air-defense zones at night to attack incoming Allied bombers? I would point you at Jagdgeschwader 301/302 "Wilde Sau" for a book about the two Luftwaffe fighter squadrons that did exactly that.
When there are no icons, (instead, searchlights or large burning cities), no dot dar (maybe just bar dar or dot dar updated every five minutes or so) and varying nights from pitch black to full moon -- Wilde Sau becomes remotely relevant.
Charon
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One thing to note is that I doubt anyone has ever felt compelled to log off simply because it was daytime in the MA.
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WTG HiTech!
:)
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Won't the eminination of total darkness have an environmental impact on certain vegetation? The Dweebus Milkrunnus comes to mind. :cool:
DmdMax
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Originally posted by Zazen13
OMG are you serious! There is a God! Praise Jesus! HTC if you really did this you have my permission to bill my credit card another 10 dollars in April, HiTech, go have a couple of beers on me. =)
I'm serious ;)
Zazen
Rumor has it Zazen, you already bankroll HTC with your two other "glasses" accounts.
DmdMax
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Originally posted by DMax
Rumor has it Zazen, you already bankroll HTC with your two other "glasses" accounts.
DmdMax
HTC deserves my money, it's a fine product. I have always viewed buying games and paying subscriptions as doing my part to fund the R&D of genres I think are paving the way of the future in online gaming simulations. I can't wait for the day it's all virtual reality, we'll be wearing sensor laden gloves and seeing the environment in a true 3D perspective.
Zazen
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Originally posted by MadMan
Or when night time comes around you could always jack up your gamma liek you probhably did anyway
:rolleyes:
...that would eliminate the fun of flying at night MadMan as a result it is not something I do. And the idea of turning my monitor down is retarded (post prior) - the notion of night fighting is that EVERYONE flies with the same challenges.
And MadMan I make no presumptions about whether you're a moron or not so please do me the courtesy of not assuming that i fiddle with my system. I'm advocating night fighting vis a vis day-light fighting because it is a visually different experience and a different skill set - to make it similar to day-light fighting by tweaking my display would eliminate its appeal.