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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: dotsie on February 27, 2000, 04:04:00 PM
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Just thought all ideas opinions and such could be pooled in this thread. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dotsie (Istabraq).
[This message has been edited by dotsie (edited 02-27-2000).]
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HTC should designate some players as CM`s with the ability to eject players or at least disable the fields for countrys not being used for the event. This would prevent "spoilers" from screwing up a planned event. Shame on the players who logged on as Bishops today,EVEN if you didn`t engage either of the two sides,you still caused a lot of extra traffic in the text buffer and took away from the event. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Happy...Happy...Joy....joy... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'd want to ask for a little change in the hour of the event...next time plz do it at 5 PM, if we all can do it...4PM is 22:00 here and its just the hout I cant afford to be online because a lot of reasons...(parents the worse of all)
Of course I wont ask for such change only for me.If it can be done, great. If not I'll still do my best to assist to the events.
Thanks
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Ram, out
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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Another good power to have weasel would be the ability designate the amount of or ratio of planes. Example. Lets say everyone jumps in a fighter and the buffs are falling short of the numbers needed for a good/fair engagement. Then the CM or whoever is in charge could put a limit on how many fighters, axis or allies allowed etc. Essentialy give whoever is organising the event the power to control the arena and change things on the fly.
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Dotsie (Istabraq).
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[This message has been edited by dotsie (edited 02-27-2000).]
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I can only give you the perspective of observer. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
The bout of influenza left me unfit for flight duties, so I was relegated to comms. Ripsnort was to lead the 109's, Bigjim the 190's. We loaded them up for bear, 100% fuel, DT, and gondolas (109's).
We suspected something shifty, so we sent 4 of our best solo pilots out for armed recon. They were the first to encounter the stream of 51's and bombers- and what a cloud it was! The 51's were all the way up to 33K and climbing, the buffs below at 20K.
From there it was frantic calls and killbuffer rolling. I watched BaneX kill 5 in the space of 30 seconds before he himself was killed. Hristo ran a good string, as did several others whose names scrolled so fast I couldn't read.
The 17's made it to the very brink of HQ, but were finally dispatched at the moment of truth. From there the escort scurried back in a running fight to Rookland.
Did everyone have fun? I think most did. I heard a few complaints, but it went pretty well. A few notes to beginners:
1. There is a 32 plane limit to viewing. This means that only 32 planes can be seen in an area at once. If you were killed by a ghost, it might have been the limit.
2. We only replaned if we bailed safely, as per the ROE. Anyone who "came back from the dead" was outside ROE.
3. Next time it will be helpful if we have a bit better lead time for sign-ups. I was worried as LW commander if I would have 12 planes, and wound up turning people away. We can also start the events on time if we don't have to redirect people 5 minutes before event start.
4. If you come in and the event is started, stay out if instructed to do so. We had some people flying Bishop who interefered- remember, the express purpose of the arena is organized events. You are welcome to participate, but don't interfere with the hard work of many people.
It was a great time, and hopefully we will see some great films!
Handy, Hristo, BaneX, Torque... got film? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Umm... a few notes about mass formations:
I went OTR with the buffs, and my frame rate went went to 3
(I'm running a celery@415 mhz with tnt2/32 meg. My conx on sunday night is good. I mean stable 100k/sec good)
My FE did not receive or rather did not process the packet with the roll command. Even if it did, I could not start the engines. (I pressed E repeatedly no joy).
FInally, when the group got beyond d40, I was able to exit and replane.
I rejoined the massive group of buffs, finally closing in seconds before the attack.
Suddenly, some 109s appeared on our long 6. Bombers around me started exploding. I saw a 109 saddle up our six, and I hollered to my gunner. His FE didn't see the 109. Down we went.
Um.. note to organizers: remember, there is a 32-plane limit here.
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First off, I had a blast! Even tho the P-38 was not yet available. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
HTC should designate some players as CM`s with the ability to eject players or at least disable the fields for countrys not being used for the event.
Yes, definitely!
Stuff I saw that we can "improve" on:
- Was killed repeatedly by ack (?) when trying to taxi on the airfield to form up before launching?! I ended up just staying on the spawn/regeneration point until time to roll.
- Was following my wingman to protect his six, when suddenly he blew up! For no apparent reason ... if it was an "invisible" plane over the 32-plane limit, neither of us saw it (or evidently the other P-51's we were in the middle of).
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I just posted about the plane limits and icon priorities, on the gameplay area, check it out:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum8/HTML/000314.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum8/HTML/000314.html)
Camo
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First, let me correct one thing-
Cave, thanks for setting this up. It was a fun time, problems notwithstanding.
Thanks to everyone who joined. It was great to see that many planes together.
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I don't know what to say. Do we limit Scenarios to 32 people? As they happen all the time in Brand W and AW, I'd be curious how this limitation is handled there. The one thing I can see as possible might be to split the attacking force. We of the LW planned to split up for a two-prong attack that didn't materialize. We wound up hitting the concentration of fighters and bombers as one force. Had things played the way we first suspected, I doubt we'd have seen this particular problem. Again, all I've ever heard suggests this particular problem isn't leaving soon, so we need to know how to deal with its presence. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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You could always divide groups into smaller numbers and seperate them..in waves for example. They would be easier meat for attacking fighters but it would also mean some of the other bombers would get through (not like tonight (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) because the attackers cant be everywhere at once.
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Dotsie (Istabraq).
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[This message has been edited by dotsie (edited 02-27-2000).]
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I want to appologize to Redstar and CavemanJ for not being there as I said I would!!! Real life got in the way! Srry guys that's twice now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
ts
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Wow - it was a blast... I almost fell from my seat when I spotted the cloud of 51s & 17s. By heart I would say that were ways more than 32 (no limits on dots?) I agree with the suggestion that CO should get more authority although I didn't notice any interference.
As for the critics. Next time be sure radar is disabled. Makes my job as scout much more demanding... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) btw filmed the whole event, 1st as one of the 109 scouts, 2nd as a "spectator" c47 - not very much to see there... was heading towards HQ to see what damage was done... (don't have a HP to set them up yet, but will do one asap)
I am really looking forward to future scenarios. AH is the place to be -
Kirin out
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I have to say that was one of the most impressive floks of B17's i've ever flown in (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Here are my Comments on the event:
1. Flightleaders, CO's and CM's please use CAPS all time so you can be recognized as persons with influence (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
2. Never ver roll 20+ B17's from 1 Field at a time .. all together.. my Fort ditched on the hill slope because taking off with a framerate of 2-3 isn't all that easy
3. get all people in in one area (e.g. the country not involved in the fight) and then spread them out to the respective countries.. there will be a CM needed wo serves as the walk on shepherd..
4. The 32 plane view limit hurts .. flying in the middle of the Bomber stream with the escorts overhead i just didn't see any enemy fighters untill the first B17's blw uip around me .. (every B17 blowing up was replaced by a 109 or 190 LOL)
I stronly suggest:
a.) take off from different fields for the escorts and buffs, organize flights of 8 or so maximum for better communication
b.) let the forts take off 1 after the other , and randevouce circling over a certain point (8th airforce did so)
c.) and yea going in waves (or seperate strikes with about halfe the numbers might be better..
I've been flying in Operation Longbow in AW3.. it was a BLAST but also hurted by massive number of airplanes in flight.. they countered this problem by timing the Buffs to a stream. That meant that when you had to break off the attack as LW guy there where still Forts coming (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
All in ALL a VERY enjoyable experience and i hope we see this sort of Event again soon !!
(if the organizers need some hands i'm here to volunteer!)
<S!>
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Phillip "Duckwing6" Artweger
Flight Officer "E" Flight
Skeleton Crew (http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/oneshot/main.htm)
[This message has been edited by Duckwing6 (edited 02-28-2000).]
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1St of all, I would like to thank CJ and Redstar for organising this event, i was not supposed to be there on time but finaly made it, and was HAAAPYYYYYYYY (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Mhhh, yes, I think the organisers should be granted "Moderator powers" as it was a bit tough to see the Orders in the text buffer as it was a bit clogged by Bishcuits....(They must be related to my Brother in law....taking most of the fun outa us....)
I was flying in the 190's "Swarm" in the lower gruppe, and missed the Big cloud as I was following BigJim on a Straggler, then finaly spotted the "Cloud"..Ohhh MAMA !
Forgot all I knew, just prayed, wep on, ran in the middle of the Buff formation, got one , but was Killed before the Text Buffer admitted me the Kill (Sigh....sh***t happens.....).
As I said to my Squadmates, at least while they were shooting at me, I was clearing out a path to my fellow pilots (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Saw/Saintaw
KNIGHT'S FINEST FLYING BRICK
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"Firepower Mate, that is what separates the men from the boys..."
[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 02-28-2000).]
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To answer your question, Kieren, in Brand W scenarios the 32-plane limit does rear its ugly head from time to time. Nevertheless, preventative measures are taken, most notably breaking large groups into flights. Exceeding the 32-plane limit almost always hurts the buffs more than the fighters. If the 32 closest objects to your buff are friendlies, and all of a sudden a bandit shoots in, chances are he'll score his kills before getting swapped an object slot. And that is what happened. Flying in too large groups is not beneficial to the health of bombers.
The FR takeoff issue is another sore spot. Now, my system may not be the shiniest out there, but it certainly can handle flying in formation with a lot of buffs. What it can't handle is drawing 25 bombers at maximum detail level. Perhaps it would work better to have the planes take off in sequence and do a forming circle over the field?
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Got in scenario arena way in time. When people began logging in it became a bit confusing (kieren, rip, and bigjim had to repeat the appropriate channels for 109 and 190 about thousand times). Then it became apparent that rooks where outnumbered but that was changed.
ok on to the event itself.
I flew in the 109G10 squad with ripsnort as lead (I winged for him). We started off and climbed out... apparently not all launched at the same time since alot were lagging behind (bout 5 K) Ripsnort solved this by making gentle turns so laggers could 'cut the corner'...we were directed by kieren and ripsnort (4 planes were flying armed recon... and doing a good job). Our 109 squad began seeying dots when we reached 33K. We climbed high enough (directions from kieren) to be at co-alt with the ponies sweeping in front of the buffs. We went level and spread out... (all began going fast) We slashed through the ponies flying sweep and flew at the buffs a bit W and much higher... Then rip called 'IN' and I followed him on an oblique split S into the main buffstream. I followed rip into the leftflank of the bombers... he ripped a 17 apart but not enough (the buff warped away)... I then left his tail and went on the lead 17... (rip followed on my tail) closing in at 420mph I began shooting with my 3 20mm's at 700 yards... and rolled inverted while shooting (wanted to pull out under the buff)no hits from guns (lots of tracers tho from all around) I ripped his wing but right as I flew under me I got hit by his wing...(he spinned because I removed a wing) went in a spinning dive... pony followed (stupid since I lost a wing) bailed at 19 K and landed safely in the silk. Went up again with 109 (together with rip) headed south... lots of ponies... but apparently the buffs where in the front formation so I missed them... assist on pony... landed back at 17.
SUGESTIONS
main things
1) HTC should make some official 'organisers' of events who have CM capability. That way they can smooth things out, and dissable for example bish fields (annoying), DAR, ICONS, as needed.
2) Assign a different channel for newbies and walkons to go to so they don't clutter the open channel (grey). (channel for all countries, 202 for example).
3) Up to the organisers... but they should make numbers more 'even'... it seemed to me that LW where to many (even though we were outnumbered). There were only 9-10 buffs which is to few and way to many ponies.
4) after a certain time make the arena 'closed' so nobody can interfere.
5) Get a proper debrief (can only be done if organisers have CM capability).
6) Let bails also count as deaths... as I see it in the Real world a LW pilot wouldn't be able to get in another plane after he bailed and attack the same formation once again... DEATH = DEATH + BAILED
All in all I realy enjoyed flying this little scenario... it was alot of fun...and I realy hope we get lots of them
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BEE
'Nemo Impune Lacessit'
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/190sbee.gif)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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I agree on the NO DAR, that would help the Allied, or possible, have one or two forward fields with dar only, or limted dar,this would be closer to historical, LW did have dar in WW2, and knew the positions of the bombers prior to intervention.
he last roster check before rolling showed 29 LW pilots and 41 Allied. Some of the 'scorts for ALlied
should have turned bomber pilot, that probably would have made the allied penentration alot deeper.
When I arrived on the fighter escort, we were at 32K, the assigned alt for this scenario, Bee noted that there
were 3 or 4 enenmy fighters that "Had Alt" on us..we adjusted our alt to 33K...this alt was broadcast to the
group of 109's though I didn't have time to 'look back' to see if everyone was adhering to max. alt.
I thought for being an adhoc scenario, and as many walk-ons as there were, it went pretty smoothly...believe
me, I've seen alot worse!
Definately need "someone in blue" aka a CM to lead it all, and doors locked (if possible) after the cut-off
time.
Pongo, you sure the (4) fighters (190's, 109's) you saw early weren't our scouts? We had them shoot up
ahead of everyone for a sitrep.
Anyway, thanks CaveJ and Kieren for the great fun! Next time I'll fly a bomber, the odds of 29 fighters vs. 9
bombers wasn't good odds for you guys, tis too bad you couldn't get about 10 of those 51 drivers to drive a
Boeing.
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
(Formerly VF-101 Grim Reapers~Rip1~Warbirds~)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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"Opfer mussen gebracht werden"
— Otto Lilienthal
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 02-28-2000).]
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First, I would like to thank everyone who flew in this. As the number of pilots in the arena approached 60 we were floored at the response we got. We were worried about having enough pilots to make it worth the long flight, turns out we got More than enough. The best count I could guess at on the channel I choose for the bombers was 18. The amount of traffic in the text buffer (from pretty much everyone) made it hard to keep up with the guys as they responed to a "check in" call.
This is the first time I've tried to organize something like this and I've learned ALOT from it =). Things that will be applied to the next event. I'm gonna sift through everything over the next week and start planning the next scenario.
As the organizer I can say it would have been helpful to have had the powers mentioned by everyone else above. To add to the list everyone above has started, it would also be nice to be able to turn killshooter on/off (if killshooter had been off there's a good possibility we'd have this w/o icons =) and "lock" the arena so noone else could get in (like at launch, avoids confusion of stragglers showing up as birds are rolling, grabbign one to launch with the group, then asking for directions/loadout/target after we're in the air, then open it again after the start for observers =). The ability to set ratios (even just for country:country) would have been very helpful for this one.
I also think the mass confusion is a very good example of needing to register with the event coordinators before hand. This way the preflight breifing can be delivered via email, with only small refinements made and specific questions answered once we're in the arena getting ready for launch. I believe our next event _will_ require preregistration for this reason, and once we have all the registered pilots settled in we can deal with walkins.
All in all, it was a blast. My heart lept into me throat when I saw the cloud of dots that turned out to be 109s and 190s =)
Thanks again to all who participated, and look for a new TWC event to be posted sometime in the next week or two (hopefully =)
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So much being talked about icons...so here is my proposal:
DISABLE THEM!!!! yes yes I know I know...well lets say the only Icons you'll see are your squadmate's ones. NO more.
Why no icons? Simple. I WANT TO SEE BOMBERS SHOOTING P51s (lol) and thats historical. also adds importance to visual awareness, you must IDENTIFY your cons visually, and you still have the zooming...and the fact that your squad has icons activated allows you to form in a schwarm, a finger four, or a box...depending the side you fly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So...ICONS OUT! REALISM IN!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
RAM runs to a deep bunker trying to protect himself against the rage of everyone
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
PS:to all that think I am mad, I must remember everyone that I CANT see any plane against the ground because of gamma blending. That'd kill my dowmwards shooting, so I'm not asking for crazy things, only for REAL ones.
my 2 cents
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Ram, out
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/images/Ram.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-28-2000).]
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Pongo, you sure the (4) fighters (190's, 109's) you saw early weren't our scouts? We had them shoot up
ahead of everyone for a sitrep
Ya we are sure, we could see bishops approaching from 2 from the time of takeof. I eventually was overtaken by them and watched them toodle through the formation...
Rip, sorry but we needed every escort we had.
I think the ballence in this one would be about 50% fewer interceptors. Think about it the bombers took 100% casultys.. Not one made it to the target(I dont think) any change to the balance has to let the bombers have at least a 50% chance to LAND..
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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I would be willing to try the "No Icons" idea for SEA activities, but doubt I could be effective. I just can't see the planes well enough. I doubt that I could participate. (I use a 21 inch monitor (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) )
In MA I often turn off Icons in the process of seeing what planes those players around me are flying. More times than not the plane just vanishes, especially when seen against the ground with the Icon off.
Example:
Yesterday I was d700 from a B-26, when I turned off the Icons, it became almost invisable. I could barely make it out in the ground clutter. I was co-alt with the B-26 at 2k, the B-26 was flying along the side of a hill. I convinced myself that I would have flown right on by and not seen it at all, had Icons been off the whole time.
In an Allied vs Axis scenerio, the LW camo scheme would most likely prevent my particpation. Perhaps with more practice I could get to a reasonable ability. Unlikely this will happen IMO.
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I would like to thank all of the pilots that were in the event. This being the first time I helped with something like this I thiught it went rather well. I hope that we can do something again like this in the future.
BTW when I saw all those 109's and 190's one word came to mind....Damn! That was a lot of planes loved every second of it.
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RedStar
The Wrecking Crew
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Had a blast in the scenario this weekend. I was flying LW myself specifically the 190 so of course I got bomber attack. I was one of the 4 scouts and I have to agree the first word that came to mind when I saw all the dots from the bombers and 51's was DAMN!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I do think the 32 plane limit caused a problem as the first two bombers I downed never even fired a shot, but it was still put together well I thought and I throroughly enjoyed the entire experience. Well done guys my hats off to all of you.
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BaneX
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2)
(http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/images/banex.gif)
[This message has been edited by BaneX (edited 02-28-2000).]
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Originally posted by BaneX:
Had a blast in the scenario this weekend. I was flying LW myself specifically the 190 so of course I got bomber attack. I was one of the 4 scouts and I have to agree the first word that came to mind when I saw all the dots from the bombers and 51's was DAMN!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I do think the 32 plane limit caused a problem as the first two bombers I downed never even fired a shot, but it was still put together well I thought and I throroughly enjoyed the entire experience. Well done guys my hats off to all of you.
well the first one was me not expecting any fighters behind me(no warning) and wowing the view up through my fellow buffs, escorts on high right and I think LW from hi left...I was looking right up through the whole column.... most all of the bombers were not far behind me... of course the view was best with icons off....
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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LOL Pongo!
Not the best way to buy it... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I was a B17 on the ill-fated Rojo raid from 9 a couple weeks back. I had dropped back in the stream a bit to allow two low buffs some cover while they tried to catch up. Along comes the first 109... I pop back to what I thought was the tail gun... nope, was the waist, other waist, top, tail...
I manage to get in the tail in time to see rudder leave, but I did smoke his engine. Seems I was used to the B26 key setup and lost track of my gun keys in the heat of the moment!
Next time up you can be sure I reacquainted myself with the views, and got 3 more kills before we bought it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I know this has been a long thread, but I feel I have to post this note from one of the bomber pilots.
Most of you indicating how much fun it was were flying fighters. I am a bomber pilot at heart and was pleased to get my choice, but the 32 plane view problem made the bomber defence almost useless unless you were out of formation. My film view shows no enemy fighters to shoot at while my plane takes constant hits. Most of the bombers were gone within 30 seconds, because they couldn't fire back.
The other take off, organizational, and group problems can be addressed. This was the first scenario and such problems are expected. The organizers did an excellent job for the first scenario.
The 32 view problem has to be fixed or you aren't going to get bomber pilots in the future. It doesn't happen in other on line flight sims. Why is it happening here? It didn't happen in Airwarrior, but if it did you had the option of turning on only enemy icons which would have solved the problem in this scenario.
Let's make sure that something does get done about this problem so we can all enjoy these enjoyable historic matchup scenarios.
I wish to express my thanks to all those who took part in organizing this first scenario.
Ranger Bob
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Hi all,
Apologies if I cover anything already dealt with by others. (The thread had only just been started when I sneaked a look at work, over 24H have now passed since the event). Also apologies for it being s o l o n g
Just a note to add my thanks to all who both organised & participated in the special event last night (GMT timezone). I was just about to log off when Keiren dropped into the main arena to request "volunteers", I'm glad I stayed.
The patience displayed by those who helped organise this was a credit to you all. I got the impression that about 80% of all pilots joined on the spur of the moment and they were all despatched to thier respective countries & duties with the minimum of fuss.
The sight from the cockpit (B17) with all the Icons turned off was truly amazing (Even if my FPS did hit 3 [three] at one point).
The flight pattern was for me at least fairly familiar (Tower, Hanger, Fly, Gain Alt, Let off a few rounds, Get shot down), Thanks Banex (I don't think) :-), There I was top turret tracking a 109 when I thought "I'm sure there was a wing there when I last passed this point Oh S H * T", Still the view from the "Chute" was worth seeing, and I didn't die,
I don't think I was the 1st to get shot down, and I certainly wasn't the last, The spirit of downed pilots requesting to join as "Gunners" just goes to prove that some of us just didn't want it to end.
There were low points, (Apart from getting shot down). I couldn't get my engines to start until everyone had gone (No idea why), I think there were 2 others behind me when I finally got off so most of the flight was spent playing "catch up". Then there were the "Bish" B26 and P51's etc that got in the way, What was that all about? Despite Polite (I thought so anyway) requests to stay away I think they had to be disposed of in the end. Who were they? does anybody know? Something has to be done about people like that, Perhaps they were "newbies" but I don't think so, Even if they were they should have known better, Perhaps some kind of Account suspension is the answer here. Another way could be to keep the "Special Events Arena" closed to pilots on the "Play before you pay period" except by personel invite. That way at least if it happens again you'll know they are an A**hole". Perhaps one of you would like to justify your behavour in this thread, I might be easy prey in the main arena but I know many pilots who would make sure you never get off the ground again.
I'd like to see it next time with no Radar & the possibility of multiple take off points (Might help the FPS issue - well mine anyway), I would love to see it without "Icons" but don't think it would work (Not with my system anyway) Bombers are easy enough to pick out but the friend/foe on fighters means that the poor B17 gunner would have to wait until it was nearly too late so as not to kill thier own escorts.
Formation, I know this would require A lot of prep and an assurance that those who said they would come actually did so this is just an observation, but Bombers flew in a formation for a reason, It would have helped us as well. It's far easier to cover just one side of a box than have to jump around turrets checking your 12, 6, Hi, Low etc
Finally (Anyone still there), Am I alone in thinking this is another example of proof that the 2 country system is better than the one we currently use?
Finally, (Really) Thanks guys it was amazing.
TTFN
snafu.
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[This message has been edited by snafu (edited 02-29-2000).]
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I was one of the walk on's for the allied side, what a blast, seeing that 24k furball was a blast (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)...I do have a couple comments/questions.
1) I'm gonna load roger wilco, but there was no command structure i could plug into so I was basically an uninformed tag along.
2) I was a little in front of the hoard at point of engagement and one of the recon 109s blew thru coming down from 33-34k, gave me a real understanding of problems with "close escort" they hit bombers before anyone could get lead in em.
3) my frame rate stayed pretty hi but i unloaded almost my whole clip into a 190 before it finally went...some was wide but lot seemed right on..is net lag worse in large furball??
All in all was a great time, many thanks to Cave redstar and all the rest for taking time to set it up...and piss on the bishops who wouldnt log