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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB73 on March 17, 2004, 09:19:30 PM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=817&ncid=757&e=10&u=/ap/20040318/ap_on_fe_st/not_bin_laden
LMAO
MONTPELLIER, France - A French artist allegedly traumatized by last week's Spain bombings was convicted of trying to run over a pedestrian he mistook for Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) and ordered to pay the man $615.
The 35-year-old defendant, identified as Pierre, was sentenced Tuesday by a court in this southern France city to a three-month suspended prison term. The man he tried to run over was unharmed.
Pierre's lawyer, David Mendel, said his client was the "victim of a hallucination" while driving Monday through Montpellier's historic center.
The victim, a man in his 30s, was able to run from the oncoming car, which crashed along the side of a street.
"If it was (bin Laden), we would have won $5 million," Mendel said, referring to a reward.
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France is going to kick him out for his pro american stance.
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WTG france! You "almost" got him again!!! BTW Is he part of the infamous anti-taliban Jean-Paul Sartre brigade?
http://www.rvc.cc.il.us/faclink/pruckman/humor/taliban.htm
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That's pretty funny.
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lol:rofl
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Lol !!! I live 15 minutes from Montpellier!
I've seen many OBL lookalikes around here...Good thing I don't get to carry a gun anymore !
but the reward is 25 million bucks, right ? the articles says 5 ?
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Originally posted by Spooky
Lol !!! I live 15 minutes from Montpellier!
I've seen many OBL lookalikes around here...Good thing I don't get to carry a gun anymore !
but the reward is 25 million bucks, right ? the articles says 5 ?
The 20 million is deducted as a fee beacuse we saved ur butt in WW2. ;)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The 20 million is deducted as a fee beacuse we saved ur butt in WW2. ;)
:rofl :rofl :rofl That's a good one :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The 20 million is deducted as a fee beacuse we saved ur butt in WW2. ;)
'we' is incorrect. You should say 'our previous generation', or if that applies 'my father', 'my grandfather', 'my uncle'... You wasn't even born...
Would you let the french constantly remind you that they saved your butts a couple of centuries ago??
In a nutshell: to the vets and their unlucky brothers who paid the highest price for us, and to the spoiled brats who are taking credit for it without having lifted their fat az. Period.
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I'm proud to be an American, I consider myself as an American and will glady accept all the good and bad my country has done. I know pride in your country is incresingly a foreign concept in Euroland so I wont take offense at your ignorant statement, in fact I pity you.
But anyway just to please you here it goes...
The sacrifices of Americas WW2 veterans who liberated europe seem to have been wasted, considering how euroland has turned out, weak, indeciseve, hating their own cultures and hating america....
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sigh u have a lot of fantasy
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Grunherz i see more hates from you on Euroland than the opposite...
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
Grunherz i see more hates from you on Euroland than the opposite...
I love europe. I'm from europe and I'm the most patriotic pan-european around. I'm just taking the left wing defintion of patriotism here though, you know, the one where you lambast, criticize, hate and think the worst of the national object of your patriotism... :eek:
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Was watching Dennis Miller last night and he had a funny joke about this.
He said the driver didn't get into trouble for running over the guy because it's ok to do that but he got into trouble for taking a stance on terrorism.:lol
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If I had no pride in my country, in Europe and in my culture, why would I react at arrogant posts like yours?
I don't hate the US at all, don't go all Sherlock Holmes on me and make hasty suppositions, it will hurt your credibility (if you still has one). I went to the States in 98 and had a great time. Have you ever been to Europe or are you just basing your opinions on what others are saying? ('My daddy says that...')
I still love a lot about your country. I have the utmost respect with what your country has done in the past. I disagree with some past events tho, and I disagree with US international politics right now.
Weak and indecisive for not doing GWB's agenda? That's a bit easy mmmh?
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another funny in the same area : http://fr.news.yahoo.com/040317/5/3pb63.html
Short translated version : after trashing his car in a turn a blood analyse showed he had 7 grammes alcool per blood liter.
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ok guys.. pls dont train-wreck my humorous post about some dumb fool from wherever with a "my country's got a bigger noodle than yours" debate.
lets just all chuckle at the man trying to run over terrorists please!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I love europe. I'm from europe and I'm the most patriotic pan-european around...
I'm confused: you're from Europe, but you say 'we saved your butts during WW2'????
I'm a bit curious to know when did you move from Europe to the States...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The 20 million is deducted as a fee beacuse we saved ur butt in WW2. ;)
I tell you what, if I pop OBL, I would gladly donate 20 millions out of 25 to the families of WTC victims...
Fair enough ?
And I tend to the graves of Commonwealth and US soldiers in our local cemetary as a volunteer...I don't need to be lectured by anyone on gratitude to the fallen.
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Originally posted by deSelys
I'm confused: you're from Europe, but you say 'we saved your butts during WW2'????
I'm a bit curious to know when did you move from Europe to the States...
I am an american, a croatian, and a european. I have been living in the USA for almost 15 years, though my childhood was spennt in the old Yugoslavia in the state of croatia.
I use the term "we" not to take credit for anything done by anyone. I use the term as to express my acceptance of what my country and my culture has done, good and bad. I use it for america to accept that we did good in WW2 and the cold war. I use it to accept that "we" croatians did many terrible attrocities in WW2. Its accepting all these parts of my culture and identity.
I feel a cultural tie to my europeann backround as a croatian, an austrian/german and as part italian. I also feel strong cultural tie to my american life and tradions and history and what this nation brought me.
Is using "we" in those terms really so bad? Do you not accept the truth of what your culture has done, good and bad?
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Originally posted by Spooky
I tell you what, if I pop OBL, I would gladly donate 20 millions out of 25 to the families of WTC victims...
Fair enough ?
And I tend to the graves of Commonwealth and US soldiers in our local cemetary as a volunteer...I don't need to be lectured by anyone on gratitude to the fallen.
Calm down, its a joke. But I understand if you are offewnded, yiu french are very moody and sensitive. (another joke)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Calm down, its a joke. But I understand if you are offewnded, yiu french are very moody and sensitive. (another joke)
and sexy, too... :p
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And I tend to the graves of Commonwealth and US soldiers in our local cemetary as a volunteer...I don't need to be lectured by anyone on gratitude to the fallen.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The 20 million is deducted as a fee beacuse we saved ur butt in WW2. ;)
Are you going to deduct that from the $50 million Prescott Bush sent Hitler.:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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How or why would somebody give hitler $50 million?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I am an american, a croatian, and a european. I have been living in the USA for almost 15 years, though my childhood was spennt in the old Yugoslavia in the state of croatia.
I use the term "we" not to take credit for anything done by anyone. I use the term as to express my acceptance of what my country and my culture has done, good and bad. I use it for america to accept that we did good in WW2 and the cold war. I use it to accept that "we" croatians did many terrible attrocities in WW2. Its accepting all these parts of my culture and identity.
I feel a cultural tie to my europeann backround as a croatian, an austrian/german and as part italian. I also feel strong cultural tie to my american life and tradions and history and what this nation brought me.
Is using "we" in those terms really so bad? Do you not accept the truth of what your culture has done, good and bad?
Sorry you can't have it both ways...
I am at last coherent with myself: if I don't feel obliged to thank today's US generation for WWI and WWII, I don't hold today's german, japanese, croatia, etc generation responsible for the atrocities committed half a century ago.
You, OTOH, seem to consider that it's right to remind ad nauseam to the french people that they are forever indebted to the USA although:
1. you only live in the US for almost 15 years... do I have to point out that you have taken ABSOLUTELY NO PART to those events...
2. to the contrary, your origins link you to countries which were marching along the enemy!!
Don't you think that a little humility wouldn't hurt you? If you don't, then I pity you.
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So on one hand I cant ask frencxh to be greatful fro US help in WW2 - because thats in the past.
But on the other hand I cant be a real american because I come from a country whose government was allied in the past with US enemies.
And lets be clear abou that my euro friend. The croatian puppet govt was allied with germany. But there were huge nunbers of croiatian partisans fighting for the allies.
The french puppet government was allied with germany. But there were huge numbers of partisans too.
The French were "marching" with the enemy too.
I think you are trying to have it both ways...
I accept all the good and bad of my cultural hitory. Just gecause I wasnt around it doesnt mean that it didnt happend and it isnt a part of my cultural background.
You say that you are proud and patriotic, yet you dont grasp that simple concept. I guess you are only proud and patriotic for what your country has done in your life, what would that be making chocholates? :eek: :lol
So for example going by your critreria no european can claim pride in old history of euro tradiotions, no beethoven, no cathedrals, no fine architecturre, no mozart, not chaikovsky, no michalengelo, or davinci, or gutenburg, or shakespeare or any of thast. Because none of you were alive then...
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No, you can't say 'we' saved your butts since:
a) not a single relative of yours was even an American citizen at the time of WW2
b) your actual relatives were from a country allied with fascist scum
Hope that clears up your apparent confusion.
:aok
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Must such to look like OBL!!!
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Originally posted by Dowding
No, you can't say 'we' saved your butts since:
a) not a single relative of yours was even an American citizen at the time of WW2
b) your actual relatives were from a country allied with fascist scum
Hope that clears up your apparent confusion.
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Not true.
a) My grandmother was an american citizen from birth and i had family living in the USA since the early part of century. :P
b) So was france, finland, rumania, bulgaria, norway, japan, russia, italy, ukraine, serbia, slovakia etc. bsically all of europe...
The croatian puppet government was no different than all the others. We had our guys allied to germnas and we had guys fighting with partisans... And just because you dont like me and you think its convenient to say otherwise does not change that fact, Tito was a croatian, the majority of the partisans were croatians...
You lefties often accuse me iof black/whitie thinking, But here you cnat even greasp the concept of a guy who is willing to ackgnowledge and accept the fcat that his nation had done both good and bad in its history...
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I stand corrected.
Please continue to take credit for an event that happened 60 years before you were born, and continue to bash other people who were born 60 years after said event for their similar temporally restricted non-participation.
I wonder why I didn't see the logic of that before.
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I dont take credit for it. Isaid that qite clearly. I use the term "we: as acceptance of my cultural heritage, good and bad. Not to take credit for it.
Since you are a european left leaning type I understand how this concept of accepting your cultural heritage is foreign to you.
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We were NEVER allied with the German.
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Originally posted by straffo
We were NEVER allied with the German.
Riiight...
Exactly how many allied soldiers were killed by Vichy troops?
How mnay allied airmen were given over to be killed Japanese by the french colinial authorities in vietnam?
You see why its so dangerous to be in denial about your nations history and not accept it all, good and bad? It leads to all sorts of confusins and denials..
Thanks for the fine illustration straffo.
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Don't take credit for it? You'll have to remove the medals from your swelling chest to convince me of that one.
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To me "we" is synonymous to my country my culture and I accept whatever we did good and bad, its part of of who we are.
Dont you take pride in Nelson? Or Churchill? Arent you perhaps ashamed by your treament of India? Dont you accep those things as part of your culture as a brit as part of who you are and how you live?
I understand that euros dont comprehend that concept, but I'm trying to explain as best I can.
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well this sure is a train wreck i have started.
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Ok let's do this methodically
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So on one hand I cant ask frencxh to be greatful fro US help in WW2 - because thats in the past.
You weren't really asking...
But on the other hand I cant be a real american because I come from a country whose government was allied in the past with US enemies.
I never said that you couldn't be a real american. I also said that I've never held someone accountable for the actions (or the lack of) of his forefathers. What I said is that you've absolutely nothing in common with the americans of WWII and no right to talk about it by using 'we'. I rest my case.
And lets be clear abou that my euro friend. The croatian puppet govt was allied with germany. But there were huge nunbers of croiatian partisans fighting for the allies.
Yep. Communists led by Tito. Do I need to look up on this BBS what you think about communists?
The french puppet government was allied with germany. But there were huge numbers of partisans too.
Agreed.
The French were "marching" with the enemy too.
At least France fought before surrendering.
From this page (http://www.hic.hr/books/myth-reality/p04.htm)
Before seeing a single German soldier, the Serbian-led army withdrew from Slovenia and Croatia to defend Serbia, leaving the Croatians and Slovenes without supplies or ammunition. Most Croatian soldiers simply went home. The Yugoslav military disintegrated at first sight of the Germans as 100 of 135 generals in the top-heavy Serbian officer corps surrendered during the first week. Belgrad was taken by a single platoon of Waffen-SS shock troops led by a second lieutenant on April 12. As General Simovic and his government fled the country with millions in gold, only the Croatian Peasant Party minister Vladko Macek stayed to share the fate of his people.
I find it rather funny that you are always bashing France for his low valour on the battlefield....
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I accept all the good and bad of my cultural hitory. Just gecause I wasnt around it doesnt mean that it didnt happend and it isnt a part of my cultural background.
Ok with that
You say that you are proud and patriotic, yet you dont grasp that simple concept. I guess you are only proud and patriotic for what your country has done in your life, what would that be making chocholates? :eek: :lol
Once again...bad guess and poor humor...
So for example going by your critreria no european can claim pride in old history of euro tradiotions, no beethoven, no cathedrals, no fine architecturre, no mozart, not chaikovsky, no michalengelo, or davinci, or gutenburg, or shakespeare or any of thast. Because none of you were alive then...
Claiming pride in it? No. I only claim pride in my actions (and, I'm guilty, in those of my kids ;) ). Showing respect for what those people have done, and trying to pass this knowledge to the younger? Oh yes.
I hope that you've got my point now.
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How many French troops where killed by allied troops ?
How many US planes (paid) where never delivered to France ?
How many French soldier were killed when some americans where making money with the German in 1939 1940 ?
Where were the American in 1939 1940 1941?
The English were here.
The Canadian were here.
The Belgian were here.
The Poles were here.
The South Afrikan were here.
The Australian were here.
the list is almost endless.
And you ?
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Croatia has an affinity with germany going back to austrohungarian days, "we" mostly (the evil word) welcomedc them as liberators from (as your little article nicely illustrates) serbian domination of Yugolsavia.
Of course partisans formed out of communists and of patriots who realized nazi germany was no friend very quickly.
Tito was a communist and he was leading partisans in oppostion to nazis.
I am opposed to communism very much. But I have no problem accepting it as part of my past, heck I was a little communist pioneeer as a child.
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Originally posted by straffo
How many French troops where killed by allied troops ?
How many US planes (paid) where never delivered to France ?
How many French soldier were killed when some americans where making money with the German in 1939 1940 ?
Where were the American in 1939 1940 1941?
The English were here.
The Canadian were here.
The Belgian were here.
The Poles were here.
The South Afrikan were here.
The Australian were here.
the list is almost endless.
And you ?
So it was US fault that france lost in a few weeks ands allied iteslf with germany for the next few years.
Where were the americans? The population was weak and indeciseve and the political leadership couldnt push them to go help thair allies in a time of need. I really tot you euros would like that kind of stuff, I guess not when yiu are asking for support...
Check!
Anyway straffo does any of that cahnge the fcat that Vichy france was allied with the nazis? And that vichy france fought against allies? Or that vichy fleet had to be sunk with french crews on board? It doesnt. You know it. I know it. So just accept it, it was a drak period in your nations history as it was for many nations. For many people and for many families and for mnay communities. We have to accept it.
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About that aimen story in indochine I have to add one thing : the french troops in here were so weak they got an exterme hard time facing Thaillande.
How can you expect them to resist the Japaneses when the Japanese were still able to resiste the US troops ?
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va te faire...
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Originally posted by straffo
va te faire...
:lol Straffo :D
The saddest thing is that I wasted my flying time tonight trying to explain to some 2 digit IQ warmonger armchair general* that he should adopt a low profile :( ... How well, Rome wasn't built in a day.
* Personal Attacktm
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Grunhertz.
Why dont you enlist in the army?
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Funny thing is I was just goint to say that our positions really arent that far apart and that we were merely stuck on worrding.
But now i'll just say.... fk u
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Originally posted by Maniac
Grunhertz.
Why dont you enlist in the army?
I thought about it after high school but I choose to go to collge instead, so thats what I'm doing now.
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Why?
You wanted to secure your own interest before securing the nation interests?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Anyway straffo does any of that cahnge the fcat that Vichy france was allied with the nazis? And that vichy france fought against allies? Or that vichy fleet had to be sunk with french crews on board? It doesnt. You know it. I know it. So just accept it, it was a drak period in your nations history as it was for many nations. For many people and for many families and for mnay communities. We have to accept it.
Since you edited your post and as I'm a bit more quiet/calm I'll took the time to devellop a bit.
1st Vichy was never allied with the German
to be allied you have to sign at least some paper... a redition is not enought.
2nd vichy was never a legal governement (even if Roosevelt thought so...)
3rd collaboration is and will be a definite scar for all french citizen.
That set ,let proceed a bit further.
French troop resisted the alllied in lost of place Dakar ,Syrie etc ... they never engaged themselves the fight (they were too weak to do so).
The brit sunk French battleship because they were not confident/respectfull of the parole of our Navy officer.
Toulon prooved them they were scumbag to think so (sorry Dowding from time to time I love hating the Brit :D)
And yes I know quite a bit of France history and there is a lot of dark places and some are even darker than what happened last century (but you will have to search yourself :p)
Ps : I do find extremely derogatory to say it was Vichy's soldier they were not like the LVF they were French soldiers nothing more.
For example the grand father of a friend of min fought against the German , British and American ,German (again:p) next against the vietmin and guess what ...
he was a French soldier in all cases he was fighting for France.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Why? You wanted to secure your own interest before securing the nation interests?
I had to decide if were to continue school at that time at all. It was a difficult personal decision that did take into account many things.
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lol, I won't say nothing bad about france for the next 10 minutes or so.