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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ack-Ack on March 18, 2004, 01:12:44 AM
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Took a long time but thanks for finally squeezing this POS in! Hehe now I'm finally off to play in AH2.
ack-ack
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Ooo boy. I can't wait for this explosion.
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Oh yeah.
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There's gonna be whines to perk the Lightning in AH2. Took it through it's paces off line to see how it handled and it feels good. Doesn't have that 'rails' feeling like it does in AH, seems more fluid.
Vertical performance is just as good and in my opinion better. I had the P-38 pointed straight up until the speed pegged zero and it just flipped forward pointing straight down and out of the stall. That's going to be a good rope maneuver in the P-38. Low speed handling is just as good as it is in AH. So basically the P-38 is going to pretty much spank anything that gets within range.
ack-ack
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Yeah, all that felt good to me too.
However the roll rate was...er..um...uninspiring. I mean, the Bf110G-2 was outrolling it markedly.
With that roll rate it will be very sluggish on the evasive and that coupled with it's large size will make it an easy kill in most people's hands. Hence I cannot imagine anybody demanding it be perked.
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congrats ackack on getting your 38 :aok
NOW I WANT MY JUG!! :D
please HTC... I have no more fingernails to chew on...
Bozon
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
...I had the P-38 pointed straight up until the speed pegged zero and it just flipped forward pointing straight down and out of the stall.
Is this realistic? I thought low-speed FM was reworked to be more accurate in AH2?
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Is this realistic? I thought low-speed FM was reworked to be more accurate in AH2?
I should expect so. If the vertical process was clean and straight, I think it should do that since all the torque is neutralized.
It's the other planes, that have a bit different low-speed handling characteristics now - lol, such as the Spitfires falling into dangerous flat spins when pushed too hard..
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Originally posted by Karnak
Yeah, all that felt good to me too.
However the roll rate was...er..um...uninspiring. I mean, the Bf110G-2 was outrolling it markedly.
With that roll rate it will be very sluggish on the evasive and that coupled with it's large size will make it an easy kill in most people's hands. Hence I cannot imagine anybody demanding it be perked.
Yeah, roll rate in the AHII P-38 is abysmal, to say the least. Felt more like a bomber than a fighter. At first I thought it was because I'd taken too much fuel. On my next hop, I took only 50%, but it seemed to make little difference. I thought the P-38L was supposed to have a pretty decent roll rate, especially at high speed, but not this one. I will say, it is the only one I can get off the runway everytime without using toe brakes. It also does quite well in the vertical. Was able to stay with a Spit for several loops before having to point the nose down and run for it (got to love combat flaps).
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The P38 isn't supposed to be stellar in the roll (it's not supposed to be a bomber, though), it's just not supposed to get worse as speed increases (like it does with any plane without hydraulics).
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Originally posted by Director
The P38 isn't supposed to be stellar in the roll (it's not supposed to be a bomber, though), it's just not supposed to get worse as speed increases (like it does with any plane without hydraulics).
The P-38L has boosted ailerons, unlike any other WWII fighter I know of. They were added to late mark P-38s in order to get better roll rate at speed.
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I posted this information before.
Source: America's Hundred Thousand by Francis H. Dean.
"The p-38 was a large heavy fighter not suited for quick "snap" or "slam-bang" maneuvers, and had a particularly slow initial response in roll due to a high lateral inertia characteristic. The problem was a slow start into a roll and thus an inability to switch quickly from one altitude to another, as in reversing from turn in one direction to one in the other. As one pilot said "It was disconcerting to have a fighter barreling in on you, crank the wheel over hard, and just have p-38 sit there. Then, after it slowly rolled the first five or ten degrees of bank it would turn quickly, but the hesitation was sweat-producing".... Power booster ailerons, introduced the same time and dive recovery flaps, gave p-38 pilot a lot more "muscle" to improve roll characteristics at high speed, but did nothing to improve them at low and moderate speeds where maximum roll performance was dependent only of full aileron deflection instead of pilot effort."
BTW p38 is supposed to be a great zoomer.
Also do not forget that all planes will be "cleaned" before AH2 is out of beta, so planes may behave slightly different in a final release.
I am watching AH2 progress and can say I like it and the work HTC has done is really a WTG.
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Also do not forget that all planes will be "cleaned" before AH2 is out of beta, so planes may behave slightly different in a final release.
What Fariz said, a lot of planes when first released in AH2 had sluggish handling. The Hurricane in the last beta had a very slow roll rate which is now fixed in this release.
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Typo in the p38 roll rate.
HiTech
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oh man somone's going to have a field day about your typing HiTech
bud wtg on AHII so far! i have yet to be disappointed.. all been good.
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Originally posted by hitech
Typo in the p38 roll rate.
HiTech
Ah ha! Told ya so.:lol
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Lucky for the Army boys who got the P-38 Lighting lol and Congratalutation for getting Cool looking P-38! :D
Alright, I bet F4U Corsairs is saving best for last :D :aok
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Mind posting some Pics for the rest of us? :)
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Thank you HTC. I'm also glad to see that the roll rate is wrong. I don't think that the P-38 should roll like a P-47 or and FW 190, but it did feel VERY slow, although I did not do any actual testing.
I did notice that the machine gun rounds appear to come from over your right shoulder as opposed to coming out of the nose. The cannon rounds do appear to come out of the nose.
By the way, having done a little tweaking, my frame rates are around 85FPS now. It appears that AHII uses about 75% of my available video memory, as opposed to AHI using about 20%.
As far as pics go it doesn't look much different from the AHI P-38.
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No Screen Shot?! :D
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Roll Rate is back with Beta 18 ... yeeee haaa !!!
Elevator "K" key works, but Elevator "I" does not ... bummer !!!
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hehe roll rate fixed...can you say uber?
ack-ack
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Woo! Continous immelmans, heh.
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Perk p38 in AH2 pls, it is too uber!
(Wanter to be first) :D
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Anybody else have trouble with the elevator trim ... :confused:
"k" works fine .... "i" does nothing
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Seems to work for me...
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Anybody else have trouble with the elevator trim ... :confused:
"k" works fine .... "i" does nothing
I used my AH settings and .map file and the elevator trim commands seemed to be reversed.
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