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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kj714 on March 19, 2004, 12:40:09 PM
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Is the Spitflower 5 a "dweeb" plane too?
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no, of course not.. there are no dweeb planes.. only dweeb pilots.
:aok
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It is the ULTIMATE dweeb plane !!!
It is one of the fastest planes in AH
It climbs like a monkey and holds its E better than most
The ammo loadout is superb ... especially all the .303s ... monster rounds
Are you concerned what people will call you ("dweeb") by the plane you fly ?
Is your reputation at stake here ?
If you fly a labeled "dweeb" plane will your family or Beet1e ridicule you ?
If you answered ... yes ... to any of these questions, you need to seek help.
If you answered ... no ... to all the questions, then fly whatever the hell makes you happy and makes the game fun for YOU !!!!
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shut up, dweeb!
:mad:
:p
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Yes, it's a dweeb plane. If you fly one, I will take every possible opportunity to ridicule you.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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shaddup all of you.
we all know the only NON-dweeb planes are LW.
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Its not the plane its the game, just ask your girl friend/wife she'll be the first to call you a dweeb:D
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LOL! I think that clears up the classification!
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well the more dweebs there are, the more normal it becomes!!
non-dweebs are teh suxxorz!!
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the spitfire is the most beautiful plane in the game. anyone i catch ridiculing the spit will be narc'd on for in game abuse, even if falsified screen shots have to be manufactured. :mad:
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Originally posted by kj714
Is the Spitflower 5 a "dweeb" plane too?
If it is....Dweeb I am. I love flying it..Check what I fly..youll see:)
And BTW...its Leviathn's fault I fly it. :lol
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I flew it last night for a long time, I like it too.
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And the AHII Spit V is even better as it is modeled with +16lbs boost that was introduced to combat Fw190s. It is only slightly slower than the Spitfire Mk IX.
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In AHII it is faster than AH1? Ohhhhh Boy:D Or is it that it's overmodled in AHII. I sure hope thats not the case....Cause it is my FAV by far.:aok
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I flew the jug almost exclusively for a year, and I'm just starting to love the V.
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VFJACKAL,
They redid the Spit V flight model to model a Spit V that had been approved to +16lbs boost as a response to the Fw190. When the Fw190 was intorduced it outclassed the Spit V so badly that they needed to do something until the Merlin 61 Spitfire could get in service so they raised the boost limit on the Spit V from +12lbs boost to +16lbs boost.
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Appreciate that Karnak...I'm looking forward to it alot. Neat thing is...You see Spit Icon in MA and your like...WHAT A SHOCK..another Spit9...then...ooooops...that wasnt a 9...LOL:lol
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there are 2 kinds of men: those who fly spits, and those who lie about it :D
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Must agree with that......
I have seen or should I say killed a few..that were in spits..that minutes earlier were complaning about em. Funny:)
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Real men fly Seafires...
You fly one, you got the hair on your back to prove it.
You spend a good deal of time shavin your neck so there isn't all that hair sticking out of your tee shirt.
Some sort of cosmic connection between hair and Seafires.
It's..mojo
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I think everyone in the MA should not fly this plane ever again. Leave em all for me. I bee the only Dweeb in the MA then...LOL
You guys just don't fly it...It suks..SLow..cant turn..has a terrible load out...Usless for porking anything. Flys like a pig. Worst plane in the entire planset.
You should all start flying the Spit 9..LA7..PONY..190..109...F4U and any other plane cept that 5 modle Spit.
:aok
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:confused: :confused:
Anyways, Spit is a strange plane... I was talking to shane about this earlier as we were in the DA, if im in a Spit 5 and i engage a horde, i tend to live longer in a p-47 D-11 or P-51 forsay. I guess people know that a spit can turn very good etc, so they try their hardest to turn just as good. But if im in a D-11 or P-51 they know this plane sucks in the turning radius, climb, etc.. so they just take it easy and thats where you bite em in the arse..
It's strange..
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Hell yea its a dweeb plane.
Its the only plane in the game where absolutely NO skill whatsoever is required to be any good in it.
You can call Niks. and La7s dweeb planes too but nothing even comes remotely close to the dweebishness of a spit.
Ah1 spits fly more like air warrior RR planes then anything else
Seems to be cured of this fault in AH2
Spit dweebs in AH1 better start taking flying lessons.
cause your in for a rude awakening in AH2
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Your basically saying that those who fly the Spit V really suck and just dont know it. Heak I didn't need ya to say all that to know that already.
Funny tho......Levi seems pretty good in a V;)
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i'm guessing drediock has been shotdown more than a few times by a spit.:D
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I suck in spit5. I wish i knew how fo fly it
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Originally posted by kj714
Is the Spitflower 5 a "dweeb" plane too?
Heh heh. This thread is proof that it doesn't pay to ask a question and expect a serious answer.
From one who loathes spitfires as dweeb planes: The Spit 9 is what gives Reginald Mitchell's line its reputation here. The Spit 5 is not terribly fast and doesn't climb especially well, compared to its younger brother. It still has the hizookas, and turns better than anything other than a hurri or a zeke, but it takes skill to live long in one because everyone else wants to kill you. Lev has practically turned it into a cult plane (although you should remember that, had he picked the P40B, he probably could have turned that into a cult plane, too). Fly it and be proud.
Oldman (stay out of the spit 9, though, unless you're wearing your high heels and mink).
- oldman
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hehe.. I like the 5 the best out of all of them
turns good, but not fast enough to black out too much
good guns, but makes ya work for a good shot
and, your right, Drediock has been shot down too many times by spits:D
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Originally posted by RedTop
Your basically saying that those who fly the Spit V really suck and just dont know it. Heak I didn't need ya to say all that to know that already.
Funny tho......Levi seems pretty good in a V;)
No. Im not saying that at all. What I am saying is any clown can be good in a spit. They just dont take much if any skill to fly and get kills in em.
I've seen plenty of folks I know to be not just good pilots but very good pilots in spits. Never ceases to dissapoint me when I do cause I know they are good enough they do not need the crutch of a spit.
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maybe they're just having fun...
i've seen plenty of clowns who aren't very good in spits, too... so it's not totally the plane that's a factor.
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Originally posted by Flit
hehe.. I like the 5 the best out of all of them
turns good, but not fast enough to black out too much
good guns, but makes ya work for a good shot
and, your right, Drediock has been shot down too many times by spits:D
Yea and usually either by them doing impossable things cause of the RR flight modeling or cause there are so damn many of em lately I die from disgust.
heh Flit. just be happy we have killshooter enabled. when your in a spit its the only thing keeping me from shooting at ya ;)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Never ceases to dissapoint me when I do cause I know they are good enough they do not need the crutch of a spit.
It's not a "crutch." It's fun. Why would I ever want to fly something that isn't fun to me?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
It's not a "crutch." It's fun. Why would I ever want to fly something that isn't fun to me?
-- Todd/Leviathn
Is fun because it make things incredibly easy.
I've flown the spit and I can see exactly why people would have fun with it. Simple to fly, kills come rediulously easy in it. How can you not have fun. but
Its about the equevelent of somene who is good at playing Madden Football playing on the beginner level.
Scoreing lots of points then pounding themselves on the chest about how good they are.
the spit is the beginner level plane. Its the bicycle with trainng wheels. and therefore, a crutch.
You have fun in it fine. Like the saying goes "your $15"
Just dont expect anyone to be real impressed if you pound your chest claiming to be some kinda scourge.
See now if ya hadnta left the original Iron Dogs all those years ago
we wouldnt be having this conversation now :p
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Is fun because it make things incredibly easy.
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No, it's fun because it's fun. The reason it's fun for people differs. I imagine some enjoy it because they think it's "easy." Others enjoy it because it's a challenge to fly against faster planes. No reason is any less valid than the other.
See now if ya hadnta left the original Iron Dogs all those years ago we wouldnt be having this conversation now :p
I think you have me confused with someone else.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Drediock, I find it curious that you have no problem flying a n1k, but rant about how unchallenging it is to fly a spit. The difference of performance between the n1k and spit are miniscule.
Unless your opinion of the n1k and spit differ from mine maybe you would care to explain the differences that make them so unique.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
No, it's fun because it's fun. The reason it's fun for people differs. I imagine some enjoy it because they think it's "easy." Others enjoy it because it's a challenge to fly against faster planes. No reason is any less valid than the other.
I think you have me confused with someone else.
-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]
Like I said. your $15.
A long long time ago, and I can still remember how that music...
oops. kinda got off track there.
A long long time ago (bout 7 years) back in Airwarrior on AOL days
The original "Iron Dogs" We had a memeber who's handle was Todd/Leviathon. His Email addy at that time Was Toddstory something or other@aol.
Of the original squad of about 50 only a few of us are left that are flying that I know of. Those being Myself, Flit, Wind, occasionally Bozz. We all are still flying together. Outside the current little group there is "You have been REACHED" Reacher And I thought, you.
Guess not, My apologies for the mistook. But I think you can see how I came to the conclusion I did
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Originally posted by thrila
Drediock, I find it curious that you have no problem flying a n1k, but rant about how unchallenging it is to fly a spit. The difference of performance between the n1k and spit are miniscule.
Unless your opinion of the n1k and spit differ from mine maybe you would care to explain the differences that make them so unique.
Well then I have a penchant for noticing the difference, Seems to do just about everything better or at least alot easier. Also seems to absorb damage better.
I will agree that there is only a step or two difference between the two. But its still not a spit. :D
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Well then I have a penchant for noticing the difference, Seems to do just about everything better or at least alot easier. Also seems to absorb damage better.
Ok here is my opinion on them
SpitV versus n1k-
Spit- rolls better, turns better, faster between 12-20k (slightly), higher rate of climb above 7k
n1k- climbs beter below 7k, more firepower about 3 X more 20mm ammo, better acceleration, better cockpit visibility, faster below 13k (about 25mph) on par with spit above 20k, better durability.
All in all the n1k is a far superior plane- especially for the MA.
The spit9 matchup is very close. With n1k being better below 10k and spit9 being better above. Tho IMO the n1k turns better than the spit9.
I really don't agree with you on the point of spit being tougher than the n1k. The spit is one of the only planes i'll know will go down if i get a brief snapshot on it's wing.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
A long long time ago (bout 7 years) back in Airwarrior on AOL days The original "Iron Dogs" We had a memeber who's handle was Todd/Leviathon. His Email addy at that time Was Toddstory something or other@aol.
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Wow, now that's interesting. I can see how you'd draw the wrong conclusions given that, no doubt. I flew on Air Warrior as +Dead (and various other aliases later on such as Cilk). Since joining Aces High many moons ago I've gone by DMF, Calamari, and Leviathn.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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yabba dabba doo
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I used to be amazing in the spit... :(
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Spit V maybe easier to fly...but thats definatly not the reason I choose to make it my primary plane of choice.:)
I choose to fly it simply because it is my favorite plane from the WW2 era. The Spitfire whether it is the IX or V or IXV is just my personal favorites.
I also love the F4U. I think its a beautiful plane.
I'm not that good in it because of my style of fighting. See I can BnZ in a 9 but everyone flys the 9. I can BnZ in a F4U but it gets boring to me and I'm not familiar with it. Like the plane..just don't give it the time I have given to the Spit V. 109 is a pretty plane but again..not my style.
I BnZ in a Spit V for just a few minutes...then its down to the ground you go. I believe some call it mindless yank and bank?;) I don't like giving up my E most times simply because I know when I do that it's prolly just a matter of time before I'm the cherry that someone will pick. I accept this fact when I let some one drag me down.
SpitV is a gooood Mid-Alt Fighter. I have fought many a plane at Alt 10 to 15 k for periods of time. Its a TON of fun and a goooood plane for that. One of the best fights I ever had in this game was with Pipz and I think it was Dux..maybe not Dux but I'm sure Pipz was one of em. 18k with them in 109's and me alone in a V. Constant Zooming by them..Me dodging cause you are NOT going to catch them. Then finally they got me , but it was after prolly 10 - 15 minutes of snapshots and dodges that they got me.
As was stated..It wont catch anything usually unless you have an ALT advantage....It will turn better than most. Although Beans and Souless , Shane , Fester , Leviathn , just to name a few can out turn me no matter what they fly. Beans and Souless are EXCEPTIONAL in the 38. FULL FLAPS..right on that edge of stall..Just amazing to watch and fight against.
It doesnt climb for diddly. The 303's take about an hour to kill anything with. :lol
But I do love to fly it..Push it to what its limits and mine are every fight. I land alot of kills in it...But I dont think it is due to the plane being so easy. Landing 5 and 6 and 7 kills sorties..WITHOUT just vulching is tough in any plane and even better in a slow one that everyone is trying to kill:lol
Just my lil rant....Have fun mainly no matter what it is:aok
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Is anythin gonna happen to Lala in AH2?
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The only reason the slower SpitV is considered a good choice, is due to how DM and gunnery is dealt in AH.
FB/AEP has four types of SpitVs from 1941 to 1944, with each year it's performance increased, but it's far from becoming such a popular plane as in AH. It's everybit as potent in crisp and wonderful handling as in AH.. but (*snicker*) good luck trying to get behind within 200m of the target plane in a slow SpitV.
Now it won't matter anyway if someone like Leviathan is behind the stick, but considering the vast majority of us are non-Levis, in that sense the Spits do benefit some of its advanges from how AH uniquely decides to portray things - which, in other types of portrayals, some of the seemingly wonderful aspects tend to disappear. You won't see anyone complaining a SpitV is a dweebplane in FB/AEP.
But alas, as long as the discussion stays within boundaries of AH, taking regard to its mid-long range gunnery aspect, the SpitVs are majestic planes - all Spits are, actually. It has a rare gift of almost all the favorable attitudes required for a great fighting plane combined into one.
I wouldn't call it a "dweeb plane" in most cases, but it's such a wonderful handler that it's hard to deny shooting things down with 'em is incredibly easier than with other planes.
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What is FB/AEP ? I'm sort of stupid when it comes to other games.
And your post was good btw. :)
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The Ace Expansion Pack for Forgotten Battles, from the makers of IL-2.
Many of the factors we take for granted in AH(and in doing so, tend to think of it as accurate portrayal of what the real planes might have been), is very different in AEP. Of course, many aspects are also simular, and I don't intend to say which is more or less "realistic".
Let's just say my fantatsies of "reality" matches that of AEP than AH when it comes to Spitfires, damage modelling, and gunnery.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Well then I have a penchant for noticing the difference, Seems to do just about everything better or at least alot easier. Also seems to absorb damage better.
The Spit in the right hands is dangerous--in the wrong hands--lottsa those out there--no better than anything else.
You are totally wrong on the damage it can absorb. The only plane that comes apart easier is the C47.
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Err, FB: Aces only has spits from 41 and 42 I believe.
One standard, one clipped wing for each year. The 42 is the Mk5 with the low alt engine enhancement.
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Nope.
AEP has a '41 Mark Vb, '42 MkVb, a clipped wing '43 LF MkVb, and a a clipped wing '44 LF MkVb.
In fact, by Oleg's words, the '41 MarkVb is actually a '42 MkVb but mislabelled, and they intend to correct that and introduce a real '41 MkVb separately, because people were complaining that the performance figures of the current " '41 MkVb", were too high. (ie. they were outclimbing Fw190A-4s)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
You won't see anyone complaining a SpitV is a dweebplane in FB/AEP.
I find the AEP Spit V pretty close to what we have in Aces High. Even the aim and damage models don't feel horribly off. I think its lack of "dweebiness" there stems more from the prevalance of planes that perform relatively better than it in many facets rather than its being neutered by gunnery or damage models. When you've got 30mm-equipped Ki-84s prancing around, people don't see much of a need to hop in Spit Vs.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Dred........!!! ck 6!! ck 6!.. its a horde of spit v's!!!
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Yea and as usual they are ignoring and leaving all of you guys alone and all comming after me like iron fibers to a supermagnet LMAO
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I'm starting to realise that the modelling of the Spit V and 109F in WB 2.7x was a lot different to AH. WB for some reason favoured LW planes. The 109F could piss all over the Spit V in WB. Here, it's a much more close run thing.
The only dweebish attribute of the Spit V is those 800 yard shots - total BS, but then other planes can get those too. Seems to me that the AH gunnery is deliberately dumbed down to appeal to the masses.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I'm starting to realise that the modelling of the Spit V and 109F in WB 2.7x was a lot different to AH. WB for some reason favoured LW planes. The 109F could piss all over the Spit V in WB. Here, it's a much more close run thing.
The only dweebish attribute of the Spit V is those 800 yard shots - total BS, but then other planes can get those too. Seems to me that the AH gunnery is deliberately dumbed down to appeal to the masses.
Cant say its just the spit. I've gotten 700+ shots in a tiffy and 800+ shots in an Fm2 also. Course you can only get em if your opponent is flying nice and level and you fire just above his plane so the bullets drop down onto it. But it can be done.
I only take those shots cause often what will happen is you will get a small ping on the enemy aircraft and alot of times even a small ping is enough to make him juke and blow his speed and distance advantage
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Originally posted by Eagler
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I hate flying Spit Vs in the CT. That's where I like to try out all the other cool stuff. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by nopoop
Real men fly Seafires...
You fly one, you got the hair on your back to prove it.
You spend a good deal of time shavin your neck so there isn't all that hair sticking out of your tee shirt.
Some sort of cosmic connection between hair and Seafires.
It's..mojo
Picked up a Seafire when a rook cap took out my airfield...man that baby can make you cry at low alt. And those .303s and Hispanos!
Take 1 Yak at low alt
Chased with a P51 turning an insane rate of knots on his 6.
Add one seafire with fire in the belly...
Sprinkle P51 liberally with 303 and Hispano rounds across the rear.
What do you get? Mustang Flambé