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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on March 19, 2004, 08:18:34 PM
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I heard this guy giving an interview on the local news station today.
Interesting to see some of the inner works of the Muslim Holy Book.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net
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Not anymore so then the christian religion. The christians in todays world just tend to be a little more tame then they used to be.
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Reads a bit scarey...Lets see what this thread holds instore.
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Pretty interesting site, the guys seems to be pretty knowledgeable about the quran. Lots of stuff to read.
Good link Yeager, thanks
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Well Frog and Gscholz, therein lies the rub. You have to go back to the Crusades to find a widespread Christian belief in the sword over the word to obtain converts. I am not an apologist for Christianity. I'm a devout Catholic and recognize the shortcomings in our history. That said, you two cannot recognize that radical Islam has failed to progress in the last 1400 years from it's earliest tenets of "death to the infidel" and terror.
Gsholz, I hope you're safe and snug up there in Norway. The Islamic wave of immigration which is besetting much of Europe probably won't affect you. Of course the rest of Europe can always dial 1-800-USA-HELP to get our tax dollars, aid packages and even troops if God forbid, the Eurabia of Byzantine times comes to fruition again.
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lol the same pop culture fudamentalist christians are trying to kill.
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Originally posted by storch
Pinhead frog type, what other religion has people like let's say......mother theresa and countless unnamed others around the world healing and helping? http://www.mercyships.org. Jesus loves everyone including you. I on the other hand think you are an stunninghunk. Sell your soul to saur already.
Like i said christians today are much more subdued then they were even 100 years ago. Islam is the same as christianity when it comes to potential for great works and great violence. They both have the same problem when it comes to intolerance of other religions. The real enemy is not islam, but ignorance. As the christians became more educated in the western world the less violent they became. Reason is humanitys salvation.
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Gscholz,
I have heard of the IRA of course and of the atrocities committed in the Balkans. I was not the one reaching back to the Crusades to find atrocities committed in the name of Christianity. As I said in my post I am aware of the shortcomings of Christianity. I don't think you can show that the actions of the IRA and the atrocities in the Balkans were the result of a widespread belief in Christendom that terror and genocide are sanctioned by a belief in God. I would also note that there seems to be a noticeable decline in terror activity being reported on behalf of the IRA since the War on Terror began. Perhaps that is just me and my perception of the news that I have seen.
Gscholz if Norway is beset by a wave of Islamic immigration then you are correct and I profess my ignorance of it. I never profess to be an expert on Europe but I do know something of history and I still do not see you able to disprove my assertion that radical Islam remains fundamentally unchanged from 1400 years ago.
Your parting shot about ignorant Christian Fundamentalists I will take at face value. You don't know me and over here I would hardly be taken for a fundie. While Catholics are certainly Christians, Christian Fundamentalists over here take a dim view of we papists at times. I understand that you intended the comment as some type of invective but then I try not to stoop to name calling.
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Originally posted by Crapgame
Gscholz,
I have heard of the IRA of course and of the atrocities committed in the Balkans. I was not the one reaching back to the Crusades to find atrocities committed in the name of Christianity. As I said in my post I am aware of the shortcomings of Christianity. I don't think you can show that the actions of the IRA and the atrocities in the Balkans were the result of a widespread belief in Christendom that terror and genocide are sanctioned by a belief in God. I would also note that there seems to be a noticeable decline in terror activity being reported on behalf of the IRA since the War on Terror began. Perhaps that is just me and my perception of the news that I have seen.
Gscholz if Norway is beset by a wave of Islamic immigration then you are correct and I profess my ignorance of it. I never profess to be an expert on Europe but I do know something of history and I still do not see you able to disprove my assertion that radical Islam remains fundamentally unchanged from 1400 years ago.
Your parting shot about ignorant Christian Fundamentalists I will take at face value. You don't know me and over here I would hardly be taken for a fundie. While Catholics are certainly Christians, Christian Fundamentalists over here take a dim view of we papists at times. I understand that you intended the comment as some type of invective but then I try not to stoop to name calling.
Yea the fundies over here limit their targets to medical clinics and federal buildings.
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Islam... Christianity... whatever... it's the same god.
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all we have to do is parachute hollywood, american idol, big brother, temptation island, friends and 2 to 3 dozen popular "music artists" into them hills and OBL and co would come running down the mountainside like rats from a water hose :)
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it is humorous to compare the extreme islam to extreme christian
one blows up trains and buildings while the other screams at you through your television for dough for the keys to heaven LOL
like crapgame said, problem with islam is that it hasn't flowed evolved through time. these ppl are still backwards arse goat humpers, jealous of us and our way of life, easily lead by a few educated, money goat humpers to hate/kill the rest of the world
don't blame religion or "God", blame mankind, religion is but one of many excuses to kill one each other
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Originally posted by Eagler
it is humorous to compare the extreme islam to extreme christian
one blows up trains and buildings while the other screams at you through your television for dough for the keys to heaven LOL
like crapgame said, problem with islam is that it hasn't flowed evolved through time. these ppl are still backwards arse goat humpers, jealous of us and our way of life, easily lead by a few educated, money goat humpers to hate/kill the rest of the world
don't blame religion or "God", blame mankind, religion is but one of many excuses to kill one each other
No eagler, one blows up trains and buildings why the other blows up buildings and clinics.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
No eagler, one blows up trains and buildings why the other blows up buildings and clinics.
when was the last clinic bombed? when was the last train?
how many have been killed with clinic bombings, how many with planes, trains, autos, buildings, ships?
yeah, I see it - identical - not
and pls dont drudge up the "crusades" again - as stated, one has evolved and the other hasn't. time for the latter to shape up or ship out
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Originally posted by GScholz
Ever heard of the Crusades Storch?
You ever consider why there were crusades GScholz? Maybe they were provoked?
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Yeager there are 1.200.000.000 muslims around the world; you better hope their religion is not "The Faith of Terror".
Be scared... be VERY scared...
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btw that was meant to be sarcastic so don't lose your night sleeps for that.
You just have to understand that it's not about the religion but individuals who are justifying their violent actions by religion, just like some guys are doing in states.
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Really? Does Irish Republican Army ring a bell?
Not a good example. The IRA was never about religion. It was all about independance from Britain. The religious aspect was as much to do with ethnic origins. Scot/English Protestant colonisers and Irish Catholic natives. The Serbs are not Catholic either. The Croats are.
On the Muslim front. I don't think there is a real threat there. Militarily they have no power and extremism does not encourage conversion to Islam. The extremists fear dilution of Islam as it comes in contact with western secularism. That will continue to happen anyway.
The extremists are trying to roll the clock back. It won't work. That kind of thing never does.
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Originally posted by Eagler
...problem with islam is that it hasn't flowed evolved through time. these ppl are still backwards arse goat humpers, jealous of us and our way of life, easily lead by a few educated, money goat humpers to hate/kill the rest of the world
Eagler most likely there are several muslims also playing AH.
Tell me how does that post look to them?
Anyways for me you post tells that you really have some personal problems; maybe getting some education would help in your case?
ahhh forget it, I bet you're too stupid to understand you have serious problems.
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Many idiots in this world and it doesnt matter what religion they think they are following cause they just use it and twist it in whatever way they feel like to meet their agenda.
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Ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition Storch?
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Originally posted by Eagler
don't blame religion or "God", blame mankind, religion is but one of many excuses to kill one each other
so Eagler, that doesn't quite fit your proposal to "put all Muslim American residents" into camps now, does it?
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Christianity has been around about 2000 years. Islam has been around 1424 years.
So to give Islam a fair comparison on how well they've evolved you should really go back to see what the Xians were up to in the early 15th Century.
If you look at what the Christians were up to in their 1424 - you'll find some crusades (anti-hussites). Fast forward another 68 years, and good clean Xian boys are set to indulge in some really large scale genocide with swords, guns and biological WMDs: smallpox & influenza.
26 years on: In 1450 the first major witch hunts began in Europe - they continued on, reaching a peak in 1550-1650.
In 1792 Poland was the last place to execute someone for witchcraft in Europe.
In the 1830's The church ceased the execution of Witches in South America.
Even my own fair city's history has bad things to tell about Xians - the good Xian folk turn up to sell drugs and are forced to invade when the evil pagan Chinese refuse to legalize the sale of opium.
And it has been argued that Hitler, as a Catholic, may have had a Xian agenda with his extermination of the Jews.
So you don't really have to go too far back to find bad things happening with Xian hands on the trigger, but as I say - to be fair, one should really look at all the bad things the Xians were doing in their 15th century of existence.
The crux of the problem, in my opinion, lies in a inherent contradiction in both the religions: while the religious are told to emulate their God in order to be good and merciful and to be assured of a place in heaven, the holy books spend a lot of time depicting their God as a barbaric genocidal maniac, killing and torturing swathes of unbelievers. This principle, coupled with a knowledge of the symptoms and effects of syphilis, certainly explains much of Western history and politics.
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if i HAD to choose a religion it would prolly be budhism.
As it is now i dont like any other religions so that gives me alot of folks to poke and laugh at.
If you dont belive in yourself then find a religion :aok
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the holy books spend a lot of time depicting their God as a barbaric genocidal maniac, killing and torturing swathes of unbelievers.
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Where in the new testament of the holy bible are followers asked to kill unbelievers of Christ?
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Originally posted by -dead-
Christianity has been around about 2000 years. Islam has been around 1424 years.
In short Islam is still in its 'Inquisition phase' (http://es.rice.edu/ES/humsoc/Galileo/Things/inquisition.html) of its development.
(Catholic Inquisition 1100-1830, the infamous Spanish Inquisition got started 1478)
Good news is it'll pass, bad news is it'll take 400 years.
In reading Islam sites I sometimes read things like that the rulers are appointed by the grace of Allah (sounds eerily medieval christian). Wonder if that would include Bush ?
:)
Anyone heard of Al Ghazali and the 'Incoherence of the philosophers' ?
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I would also note that there seems to be a noticeable decline in terror activity being reported on behalf of the IRA since the War on Terror began.
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Erm...
Perhaps that is just me and my perception of the news that I have seen.
You got that part right, chum.
The IRA had been on ceasefire years before Sept .11 2001 and still are. Ever heard of the Good Friday Agreement? Devolution? Do a google and educate yourself.
As for the Christian paramilitaries in NI - they are a bunch of drug running, racketeering thugs still knee-capping rivals and people who get in their way.
Where in the new testament of the holy bible are followers asked to kill unbelievers of Christ?
Last time I checked, the Chritian bible had a section referred to as the Old Testament tagged to it. Seemed quite bulky to be considered some sort of embarrassing appendix too.
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Originally posted by storch
Pinhead frog type, what other religion has people like let's say......mother theresa and countless unnamed others around the world healing and helping? http://www.mercyships.org. Jesus loves everyone including you. I on the other hand think you are an stunninghunk. Sell your soul to saur already.
Sure, and the red cross does so much more for those in need than the red half moon. Compassionate people are found in every religion...
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... and they are found without having to look in the ranks of the religous.
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If you know at least a bit about history of Muhamed, you probably see, why he were 'warrior' in name of Allah.
One thing were problems of that time and second thing is muslim attitude today.
Take text from time, when they were hunted and killed in thousands is a bit odd in 2004.
Stand up, pack up your 2 lill balls and go for a month to some muslim country to meet people we speak about.
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Originally posted by -dead-
Christianity has been around about 2000 years. Islam has been around 1424 years.
are you sure about 1424 ?
http://www.payvand.com/newyear.html
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Originally posted by storch
So, speaking as a God ninja. You cannot kill me for I have already died. Death holds no fear for me.
Ok Ninja, here is a site for you. http://www.cafeshops.com/realninja/151
:D
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Originally posted by GScholz
Ever heard of the Crusades Storch?
Wow that was like 900 years ago, and the inquisiton that was like 600 years ago. While meanwhile they merrily killed each other for secular wars as well. Napoleonic wars killed more then christians ever did. Oops WW1 lotsa people died then too. Well I guess its all Gods and Bushes fault.
WTF is an Xian? Is this chinese now or did papa marx teach you a new word smurfy?
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Wow pooh your a christian and do not know what a xian is?
Anyways. Lets not forget the slaughter of the native americans in this country. I can bet that if they were christians we wouldnt have stolen their land and killed over a million of those heathen redskins. Another example of the intolerances of christianity. Which has gotten better the past 100 years due to the increased education of the christian. Ignorance is the real enemy here. Reason is a very good weopon to use against it.
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The best religion is atheism ;)
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Its all Bushes fault that them thar injuns dun got killed? Right
Bush started the crusades too.
Bush killed the dinosaurs with his giant asteroid.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Its all Bushes fault that them thar injuns dun got killed? Right
Bush started the crusades too.
Bush killed the dinosaurs with his giant asteroid.
You guys cant even hold an arguement anymore. You just start quoteing insane stuff of far left liberals everytime you cannot prove a point nowadays in a vain effort to make us all look like idiots. I think im quite capable of makeing myself look like an idiot with my poor grammer and spelling.
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Bingo Fishu :aok
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Originally posted by storch
I have nothing to fear from any man, because nothing can happen to me that isn't ordained of God.
so the fact you get shot down so much in AH is God's way of trying to tell you you suck?
:rofl
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Originally posted by maslo
are you sure about 1424 ?
http://www.payvand.com/newyear.html
No. It's actually 1425 this year. We're talking Islamic, not Iranian (http://islam.about.com/cs/calendar/a/hijrah_calendar.htm)
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Frog - logic was never Pooh21's strong point. This is the guy who won't fly Lancasters in AH because they killed civilians, so flies Ju88s and Stukas instead.
That one still cracks me up. :D
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This argument has some interesting avenues:
Since the patriot act, our christian fundimentalists would be hunted down under the act as terrorists for abortion clinic bombings and whatever else they usually do, it has been very quite in the last couple of years...
Islam tells em flat out death to infidels where christian fundimentalists dont follow a written script, they target who they consider infidels depending on how they feel at the moment...
IKON
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Originally posted by Saintaw
so Eagler, that doesn't quite fit your proposal to "put all Muslim American residents" into camps now, does it?
i believe you have me confused with someone else, never stated such a thing
and if i offended any muslims on this board with my goat humpin reference, pls accept my appology - it was aimed at the radical faction of the faith
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Originally posted by -dead-
No. It's actually 1425 this year. We're talking Islamic, not Iranian (http://islam.about.com/cs/calendar/a/hijrah_calendar.htm)
lol im trying to dig since when do they count 0 in persian calendar
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Originally posted by Eagler
and if i offended any muslims on this board with my goat humpin reference, pls accept my appology - it was aimed at the radical faction of the faith
if my informations are correct, Saw is hiden leader of radical faction of the faith... but he dont even know it yet :D
last week he tryied to terroriZe his friends in contact list by openning .scr file via outlook :D
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Storch feel free to take my sig-line, I can take another one :)
btw it's taken from a Rolling Stones song "Far away eyes".
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The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don’t portray Muhammad as a great and godly man. They reveal that he was a thief, liar, assassin, mass murderer, terrorist, warmonger, and an unrestrained sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia, incest, and rape. He authorized deception, assassinations, torture, slavery, and genocide. He was a pirate, not a prophet. According to the Hadith and the Qur’an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity.
Old testament anyone ? :rofl
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Good post. This will run and run.
First point: The crusades apart from the first - led by Walter the penniless (as far as Christain motives are concerned) was about obtaining wealth. You can see why OBL and his bunch beat on about the invasion of Iraq as being 'the Crusades'. The Christains put men, women and children to the sword pretty much because of greed (and those were Christain men, women and children as well as Muslim).
Second: They guy who wrote this book must have a deathwish. I guess he is trying to promote sales on the back of sensationalism, but Salman Rushdie is going to be very happy that the focus will turn away from him.
Third: Has anyone here actually read the Qur'aan? I havn't.
Fourth: My goodness, what a good thread to flush out the fundamentalist Christians here! Almost worth spoofing the website for! They are the ones who say, 'our atrocities wern't as bad as theirs'. They are the ones who think that all muslims think the same (like little robots) because...well they're muslims, so we must demonise them by painting them all in the same hue.
Fifth: Frogman has the point here: it is a war against ignorance, between religions. Believe me, there are many, many enlightened muslims on this planet (many of whom I've been priveleged to meet). Frankly, I'd far prefer to put my trust into them than some Christians I know. They are anti-violence and despise what is being done in the name of their religion. Their generousity is boundless and I could easily trust them with my life.
sixth: Calling the muslims backward is idiotic. Whilst Christian Europe was wallowing in superstition and the perpetuation of ignorance (to further the aims of the church - surprise, surprise), the muslims were advancing science at a rate not seen until the advent of the reformation.
seventh: The muslims are (and I know this, because I grew up in a muslim country) very protective about their faith. Mess with their religion and you've had it (it's as simple as that). Treat them with respect and debate their religion without being rude, and the non extremist ones will be happy to talk to you about it.
ninth: You Christian fundamentalists should read books written by muslims. I recommend any of the historical novels by Amin Maalouf or the works of Idries Shah.
tenth: Christains, Jews and Muslims have more in common (compared to them and Hindus, Jains, Bhuddists and Confucianists) than you have differences. The real problem, I fear, is that Christianity and Islam are evangelical religions. You are both out to convert us all! For our own good! Such arrogance. They all, as someone said here earlier, just twist religion for political ends.
Ravs
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good post Ravs
may be we could fine some more bad words on Orthodox..
here is my try :)
last year i were in one monastery and i got 2 kiss`s from one nun.
actualy she was very nice and her sister were getting red instead of this one.
dammm i had dreams about her for next 2 weaks :D
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The sadness of it all, Maslo....
was that you were nun the wiser!
Ravs
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oooohhh she was so sweet, she were from Budapest... and dont forget that i didnt kiss her, she did :D
those othodox girls are quite nice in their suits :)
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Grab your horse your shield ,your sword and your blessings from The Pope. Cus we're going to crusade like it's 1399 :D
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LOL I was going to do that.
I am not religios, but I do think Muslim extremists are far more dangerous then CHristian ones. For now.
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Originally posted by Eagler
i believe you have me confused with someone else, never stated such a thing
and if i offended any muslims on this board with my goat humpin reference, pls accept my appology - it was aimed at the radical faction of the faith
Sorry Eagler, might have been yeager... am used to the two of you posting radical stuff here. If that wasn't you, I indeed appologise. I don't have a Ripsnort-thread-memory. (I don't keep a book of BBS links)
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lol Orel, you DOG :D
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Originally posted by storch
I have nothing to fear from any man, because nothing can happen to me that isn't ordained of God. All men die.
Reminds me of what Neil Peart wrote in Freewill:
There are those who think that life
Has nothing left to chance
With a host of holy horrors
To direct our aimless dance
A planet of playthings
We dance on the strings
Of powers we cannot perceive
"The stars aren't aligned -
Or the gods are malign"
Blame is better to give then receive
You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will
They are those who think theythat
They've been dealt a losing hand
The cards are stacked against them -
They weren't born in Lotus-Land
All pre-ordained
A prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate
Kicked in the face
You can pray for a place
In Heaven's unearthly estate
Each of us
A cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete
Genetic blends
With uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt
That's far too fleet
Love those lyrics, cause they make sense.
I agree with frogman :eek:, logic is your best friend.
It is easier to convince someone who wants to believe then someone who wants proof.
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Originally posted by fd ski
Old testament anyone ? :rofl
From the understanding of an agnostic:
Christianity is based on the teachings of Christ.
The teachings of Christ are in the New Testament.
Therefore the New Testament trumps the Old.
Example: The Old Testament prohibits the eating of pork. Yet in the book of Acts, Peter is told by God that he can eat meats previously considered unclean. The New Testament trumps the Old.
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all in all budism is the only one that dosen't require dues.
and the whole "if you meet buddah on the road kill him" thing just tears it.
all the others are piramid schem power grabs by smart people over stupid ones. their despiration is sad but mind control religions are a fact of life.
go budda !!
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How can anyone who weighs 600 lbs have the balls to lecture others on self discpline? - Jack Nicholson in Anger Management
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Originally posted by GScholz
Really? Does Irish Republican Army ring a bell? If not, perhaps you know of the Bosnian-Serbs? No? Perhaps then you heard of the Serbian Army in Kosovo?
All good Catholic Christians.
Which only shows how little you know of Europe and my country in particular.
Ignorant Christian fundamentalists.
Albanians are Muslim...there trying to kill serbs.. (Lesson for today)
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Lesson 2
Serbs were crushing the Muslims in Kosovo, NATO intervened on the Muslim side to stop the Serbs
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Well done Weaselsan. Your next lesson should look into the history of the Balkans which will show that violence from the Christian and Muslim communities against one another has been going on for centuries. Very much a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other.
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Originally posted by storch
Romans Chapter 5 all of it, Romans Chapter 6 all of it Romans Chapter 7 all of it Romans Chater 8 all of it. Look into all of Chapter 9 as well. The theology is deep to be sure, the answers lie therein true, pure. To remove the scales placed before your mind's eye just pray for God's enlightenment, the Spirit will lead the way. Narrow is the way and hard the path, but it is the only way to avoid God's wrath. Though I do deserve Hell that will not be my sojourn, make my the right choice for alone you will burn. Enough ghetto rhymes for now ok :aok
Now I'm quite certain that we all have been fooled. Storch is simply the most skillful troller these boards have ever witnessed! Every time we take the time and effort to answer his hilarious posts he is rolling on the floor with tears in his eyes from our naivety. It is time we admit he had us all and bow in awe, this is truly trolling at an impressive level...
Kudos to Storch
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FWIW, I'm not a pagan.
I'm a godless heathen. :p
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Take a moment and converse with one of these "flailers" Report back. Inquiring minds want to know.
[nitpick] Report back is a redundancy. All one needs to do is report.[/nitpick]
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Originally posted by storch
I'm no longer responding to any more posts on this thread.
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Most western modern societies, are predominantly Christian yet secular by design thereby enable and supporting those of Islam and any other religion recognised as genuine yet most modern middle eastern societies are muslim and do not supPort, and in SOME cases, do not allow (under punishment of death) any other religions to exist. Its a one way street and if you believe what inspires militant islam, its a very dangerous one way street.
Is this a correct point of view in my case?
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Fortunately(yes, fortunately), such a book will probably never be published in our country since it hardly holds any commercial value... so I've never read that book.
If I may judge by the total waste of crap the website spews, I seriously advise other people to take up a well translated version of the Kur-an before reading that book.
Arabic is very 'poetic' language in nature, and nuances and meanings vary carefully upon each text. Unfortunately, that point has been brutally exploited by Christian radicals to portray it as a demon's religion.
How could they not do so?
The Islam faith conquered almost all of the southern/eastern half what used to be the old Roman empire in about three centuries. The Christians of the 'Old faith' were actually welcoming Arabic conquerors - only taxes were issued to the conquered territories which were at a much lower rate than the Byzantine Empire collected. They were free to keep their religion.
If any Christian should turn Muslim, he was rid of his tax duties forever - which caused mass conversions of Christians to Muslims. Later on, the Islam officials actually had to try and convince their new subjects to STOP converting to Islam... and then finally, got rid of the policy of non-taxes to the first and second generation of newly converted Muslims.
I'm sorry to say that the spitting image of terror and doom, was what the Christian world was like in the old days, rather than what Islam was like. Basically what it says on the website is a 'wishful thinking' of a fanatic.
I've studied a bit in Islam and the Kur-an, not deeply though, but if I'm correct, the first shown verse of Ishaq:471 on the website, is a typical case of deliberate misinterpretation - it goes more like this;
"We are given a prophet who shall unite all the men, and bind them to our faith"
It may sound simular, but notice that the nuance is totally different. Basically they are praising their prophet whom they believe God has sent, so many people shall benefit from his wisdom and enlightment. The website turns it into a prophecy of the arrival of an Antichrist or something.
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Oh yeah, did I mention most conventional Islam scholars do not support terrorist acts, or Homeini's dictatorship that sprang up in Iran? Nor did they support Saddam's Iraq. (but then again, the Pope didn't support US waging war against Iraq, so I guess those scholars and pope-guys don't represent any part of Christianity or Islam faith.... who knows?)
Maybe people haven't heard. It's not hard to understand. Saying such things out loud in the Middle-East, is like crying out loud "I don't support the war" in the US.
Either that, or CNN never broadcasts the opinions that don't satisfy their own version of right and wrong.
Maybe both.
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May I recommend History Of the Arab Peoples by Albert Hourani ISBN: 0446393924.
It basically covers Islam from it's inception to the 20th century, concentrating on the Arabs (i.e. the Near East and North Africa).
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To add a bit more about just when did these radical Islams appear - there was the terrorist sect known as the Hashishins during the 200 years of the Crusades, but they were wiped out by the Mongols.
They represent a very small part of Islam faith which is different from the mainstream Islam, which would be equivalent to something like the difference between Mormons and the Catholics. At anyrate, that sect which is most commonly associated with 'terrorism', died away in the 13th century.
Now just when did Islam begin to change - guess what - after the Crusades. People change when a rampaging horde crosses stretches of land and make genocide in your lands. They become very protective. I'm sure Americans would understand, if they can associate such feelings of being violated when they think of the tragedy of 9.11.
Now, if that's tragic, think about what the whole people there would feel when it's like 9.11 everyday for 200 years.
(sorry for the cynicism.. but that website was pretty much outrageous, so I think I'm a bit steamed)
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"Lo and behold, it is our avenging Skuzzy who will smite the existence of storch in front of the holy presence."
- Book of the Board(Skuzzy 7:18) -
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It makes no difference what evil may have been committed in the past by members calling themselves Muslims. A true Muslim never could commit any of those atrocities, the Holy Spirit would not permit it to be so. But attempting to explain that to you or any other Christian separated from common sense is akin to attempting to explain "blue" to one whom has never seen or Fur Elise to one whom has never heard. - Gunter Scholz
I didn't read all the posts, I apologise if this has been pointed out - trivial in a way but still...
Muslims do not believe in the "Holy Spirit."
They do not believe in the trinity. Just Allah.