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Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: NUKE on March 21, 2004, 06:58:21 PM
Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Thailand, the Philippines, Romania, Slovakia, South Korea, Spain, Ukraine and the United Kingdom have all sent troops and support to Iraq.

And yet France, Russia and Germany constitute a "world" opposed to the Iraq war. Seems to me, with the US, Britain, Canada, Poland, Japan, Italy and all the rest of the coalition are the majority in this case.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: Holden McGroin on March 21, 2004, 07:19:04 PM
First I heard of it...

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The federal government has been under fire for opposing the U.S. intervention -- which does not have UN backing -- while at the same time allowing 31 Canadian exchange officers to serve with coalition units.

On Thursday, a British officer in Kuwait said some Canadians, mostly majors serving in logistics roles, are in harm's way.


[Ricky Ricardo voice] Jean Chretien, you have some 'splainin to do...[/Ricky Ricardo voice]
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: NUKE on March 21, 2004, 07:24:41 PM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
First I heard of it...

 

[Ricky Ricardo voice] Jean Chretien, you have some 'splainin to do...[/Ricky Ricardo voice]


First you heard of it? Does that make it not true? The fact is that all of these countries contributed to the war in Iraq.

So they didn't have "UN" backing....  what does the UN have to do with it? The UN is a joke anyway.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: LAWCobra on March 21, 2004, 07:26:50 PM
Well Lets see the "world" Is upsert cause we took out a violent evil dictator.
Ok:rolleyes:

Did he not have 12 years to comply with the UN ?
And did he not thumb his nose at the world community?

And did he not Kill thousands of his own countrymen?

Ok so we went in and SPANKED him .
Can you not think of anyone besides him and OBL that did not deserve the full wrath of America and her allies?

Ps I am all for bringing home the troops now though.
The job Is done Let the Iraqis build there own freekin country.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: Holden McGroin on March 21, 2004, 07:51:01 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
First you heard of it? Does that make it not true? The fact is that all of these countries contributed to the war in Iraq.

So they didn't have "UN" backing....  what does the UN have to do with it? The UN is a joke anyway.


Lighten up Nuke, I was just surprized after all the rhetoric from Ottawa saying they would not do what they apparently have done.  I quoted a news story from CBC to back you up.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: NUKE on March 21, 2004, 07:58:17 PM
Sorry Holden, I didn't  understand your post sir.
Title: Re: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: 2bighorn on March 21, 2004, 07:58:58 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
Seems to me, with the US, Britain, Canada, Poland, Japan, Italy and all the rest of the coalition are the majority in this case.


Country            Troops        Population (July 2003 est.)
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United States     132,000        290,342,554  
United Kingdom     11,000         60,094,648

Italy               2,754         57,998,353
Poland              2,500         38,622,660
Ukraine             1,650         48,055,439
Spain               1,300         40,217,413
Netherlands         1,198         16,150,511


Australia             850 ???     19,731,984
Romania               783         22,271,839
South Korea           675         48,289,037
Bulgaria              485          7,537,929
Denmark               409          5,384,384
Honduras              370          6,669,789
El Salvador           360          6,470,379
Czech Republic        317         10,249,216
Dominican Republic    302          8,715,602
Hungary               300         10,045,407  
Azerbaijan            151          7,830,764
Latvia                150          2,348,784
Norway                150          4,546,123 -- Not part of the "Coalition", Troops on humanitarian mission
Nicaragua             115          5,128,517  
Mongolia              100          2,712,315
Lithuania             100          3,592,561
Philippines            97         84,619,974
Slovakia               85          5,430,033
Albania                72          3,582,205            
Georgia                70          4,934,413
Estonia                43          1,408,556
Macedonia              31          2,063,122
Kazakhstan             29         16,763,795
New Zealand             9          3,951,307
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TOTAL             155,955        845,789,613 - 13% of the World Pop.    


World Pop. (mid 2003 est.)     6,314,000,000
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: NUKE on March 21, 2004, 08:05:34 PM
2Bighorn

It's nice to see affirmation of my earlier post....although you left out Canada.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: lasersailor184 on March 21, 2004, 08:09:50 PM
Props to the netherlands.  didn't know they had so many in Iraq.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: 2bighorn on March 21, 2004, 08:11:40 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
although you left out Canada.


Canada is not part of the coalition, nor it did contribute any forces. Few exchange officers are part of coalition forces units in Iraq, which are not Canadian.

Also 13% hardly makes majority, but I may be wrong.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: Lazerus on March 21, 2004, 08:55:52 PM
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Originally posted by 2bighorn

Also 13% hardly makes majority, but I may be wrong.



Thats 13% of the population. What % of the population is in the armed forces.

That's 31 countries, what % of the worlds countries is that? Hell, do a map by landmass if ya want, but comparing the number of personell in Iraq to the world population is specious at best.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: airbumba on March 21, 2004, 09:12:17 PM
No canadians "sent " there, there were some already there, like earlier stated.
Canada is not part of Iraq war Coalition.

We are however, the largest contingent other than the US in Afghanistan, and presently command all NATO forces in Afg. as well we are the country with the most soldiers lost in peacekeeping duties, somewhere around 163 or so.

Good hunting up north 10th Mtn
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: 2bighorn on March 21, 2004, 09:17:37 PM
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Originally posted by Lazerus
Thats 13% of the population. What % of the population is in the armed forces.
Population total of those 31 countries is 13% of World population, yes.

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Originally posted by Lazerus
That's 31 countries, what % of the worlds countries is that?
That would be 16% (193 countries)

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Originally posted by Lazerus
Hell, do a map by landmass if ya want
YOu wouldn't get majority that way either.

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Originally posted by Lazerus
but comparing the number of personell in Iraq to the world population is specious at best.
Again, it wasn't the number of forces, but population of those countries compared to World population.

Number of troops is just an extra bit of information, it has nothing to do with that 13%.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: lord dolf vader on March 21, 2004, 09:44:32 PM
so 84% of the world population chose not to participate.

and thats befor you lost canada right?


telling.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: Pongo on March 22, 2004, 12:17:14 AM
what a pathetic post.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: Sandman on March 22, 2004, 12:21:54 AM
155K troops and ~20K are from the "rest of the world".

Laughable.


New Zealand sends nine... LOL now that's a commitment to hang your hat on.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: Hortlund on March 22, 2004, 01:13:56 AM
Some people seem unable to understand that we do not live in a world-democracy, where the opinions of people living in N'Gurunda in Africa has equal importance as people living in for example New Hampshire.

So the **** what if a majority of the population on this planet lives in nations that are not sending forces to Iraq. Does anybody care? Apart from the pathetic liberals trying to score some cheap-ass "point" in their struggle to bend over to various terrorist organizations. Go take lessons from Spain you miserable ****s.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: 2bighorn on March 22, 2004, 01:53:20 AM
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Some people seem unable to understand that we do not live in a world-democracy, where the opinions of people living in N'Gurunda in Africa has equal importance as people living in for example New Hampshire.
Well, it would be great if you apply the same filter to both sides.

We could argue about the importance of coalition's "heavy weights" too.

Prime Examples:
Romania
Bulgaria
Honduras
El Salvador
Czech Republic
Dominican Republic
Hungary
Azerbaijan
Latvia
Nicaragua
Mongolia
Lithuania
Slovakia
Albania
Georgia
Estonia
Macedonia
Kazakhstan

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Originally posted by Hortlund
So the **** what if a majority of the population on this planet lives in nations that are not sending forces to Iraq. Does anybody care?
Majority of the World cares
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Apart from the pathetic liberals trying to score some cheap-ass "point" in their struggle to bend over to various terrorist organizations.
Yes, I feel pathetic, especially because I gave my vote to Bush.

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Go take lessons from Spain you miserable ****s.

Throwing stones in a glass house?
It's easy to argue and point others out whilst hiding behind neutrality. What Sweden has done in regard to that?

Does the facts, which you aren't agree with, really make you so mad you would give up democracy?
Title: Re: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: Thud on March 22, 2004, 02:07:48 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Thailand, the Philippines, Romania, Slovakia, South Korea, Spain, Ukraine and the United Kingdom have all sent troops and support to Iraq.

And yet France, Russia and Germany constitute a "world" opposed to the Iraq war. Seems to me, with the US, Britain, Canada, Poland, Japan, Italy and all the rest of the coalition are the majority in this case.


In many of the countries mentioned above, a large part, if not the majority of the people did strongly oppose the war. So whether sending troops does imply that a country did not oppose the war remains to be seen..
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: Hortlund on March 22, 2004, 02:18:16 AM
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Well, it would be great if you apply the same filter to both sides.
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What makes you think I dont?

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Majority of the World cares

Yeah, I bet the average Chinese peasant really cares. Or some  hunter in Upper Volta...or why not ye average city dweller in Mexico City...I bet they all care really much. After all, they probably feel that the plight of the Iraqis are much more important than their own daily struggle for survival.
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Throwing stones in a glass house?

It's easy to argue and point others out whilst hiding behind neutrality. What Sweden has done in regard to that?


There is no neutrality in the war on terror. We sent troops to Afghanistan.
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Does the facts, which you aren't agree with, really make you so mad you would give up democracy?

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Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: 2bighorn on March 22, 2004, 03:00:30 AM
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Originally posted by Hortlund

Yeah, I bet the average Chinese peasant really cares. Or some  hunter in Upper Volta...or why not ye average city dweller in Mexico City...I bet they all care really much.  

http://www.punchdown.org/rvb/M15/page.html

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Originally posted by Hortlund
There is no neutrality in the war on terror. We sent troops to Afghanistan.
What that has to do with Iraq? And how many troops you have in Afghanistan? 45 dispatch specialists? Or you finally sent some more?

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Originally posted by Gscholz
Norway is not part of the "coalition", our troops are there on a humanitarian mission. Norway did not support the invasion of Iraq, and did not participate in the coalition.
Correct, sorry for the mistake in my first post.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: Hortlund on March 22, 2004, 03:07:30 AM
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
What that has to do with Iraq? And how many troops you have in Afghanistan? 45 dispatch specialists? Or you finally sent some more?
 


Heh "dispatch specialists"... those guys are the Swedish special forces, our SAS if you will.

You were saying something about hiding behind neutrality, I was pointing out that we have sent combat forces to Afghanistan. You say we didtn send enough...well **** you.
Title: Re: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: -dead- on March 22, 2004, 04:58:19 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Thailand, the Philippines, Romania, Slovakia, South Korea, Spain, Ukraine and the United Kingdom have all sent troops and support to Iraq.

And yet France, Russia and Germany constitute a "world" opposed to the Iraq war. Seems to me, with the US, Britain, Canada, Poland, Japan, Italy and all the rest of the coalition are the majority in this case.
China opposed the war in Iraq - it's population alone outnumbers the combined coalition countries' population.
And sorry, Hortlund, it's population does care: It gets quite a lot of coverage on the news - and it's sometimes a bit more thorough reporting-wise than the US news. Of course, the Taiwan election scandal coverage was completely non-existent, though ;). The muslim lads up in the Northwest are especially interested. The ones I talked to weren't particularly pro-Hussein but they felt he was to be applauded for standing up to the US.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: midnight Target on March 22, 2004, 09:48:43 AM
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM

New Zealand sends nine... LOL now that's a commitment to hang your hat on.


New Zealand....9........was one carrying a ring?
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: Sabre on March 22, 2004, 09:54:44 AM
Slightly off topic, but the most laugh-able line I've read recently was from the French foreign minister, who said, "There were no terrorists in Iraq before the invasion."  This of course ignorse the fact that the regime itself was nothing but a giant terrorist organization, and that 70-80% percent of Iraqis lived in a continual state of terror from that regime.  Despite the lingering violence in Iraq, I can't help but get the impression that a majority of the population feels the change has been for the better.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: NUKE on March 22, 2004, 09:58:25 AM
My only point was to say that a lot of nations lent support and were not opposed to the war. It doesnt reall matter how many people they sent or the size of their populations........if population was what we base everything one, then China and India might as well decide everything for the rest of the world.
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: Martlet on March 22, 2004, 10:31:30 AM
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Originally posted by GScholz
According to your own State Department and FBI a state or government agent cannot be considered a terrorist. Otherwise your own operatives might fall under that category.


Could you show me where it says that?
Title: Iraq war, 35 coalition states
Post by: -dead- on March 22, 2004, 01:16:14 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
My only point was to say that a lot of nations lent support and were not opposed to the war. It doesnt reall matter how many people they sent or the size of their populations........if population was what we base everything one, then China and India might as well decide everything for the rest of the world.
If so you should have left out the rather confusing last line: "Seems to me, with the US, Britain, Canada, Poland, Japan, Italy and all the rest of the coalition are the majority in this case."