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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Creamo on March 22, 2004, 12:50:47 AM
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Well, it's not a big problem, but certainly this guy needs $31 worth of grief, I'm sure someone here would know how to provide it legally.
The short story is I got a game free with my new video card, and since I already had it, put it on Ebay. Like always, it sold top dollar(fools), and I got an email with a guys name, address, and phone number. We exchanged email replys and he said he'd send payment right away. Well, he didn't.
After a week I got an email saying he was sorry and it was going out that day. I was going to the post office so I replied that was cool and just sent it. And before you all chime it how stupid that was, sending a peice of software I didn't really pay for ahead of time knowing I'd not have to take 30 minutes out of my day sometime later to go back to the post office just wasn't worth it to me.
It's been a month, now no responces to my emails.
I'm open to being just as big a bastard as possible, as long as it's legal.
Drink some whiskey and gimme some ideas. I'll never see a dime.
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http://www.mailpoop.com/, I'm not sure why I haven't done this to you yet. Or you could save yourself some money and mail him a fruity vodka binge with chili dump of your own making.
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Is it illegal to sign up a bunch of the most vile porn sites with his email address?
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Worked in a bookstore.
They sold Gay porn, Mandate, Honcho, Back in the old days the subscription cards would start subsribtion with out paying up front.
Fill out some of those for the guy. Imagine what his whife will thing when he starts getting gay porn.
I am not sure if it works the same still though last time I worked in a book store was 92
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yep .. sign him up for tranny or beast pr0n email...as many as you can stomach to find,
give the real mailing address too.
then ask for items by mail. ther are some that will "subscribe" you like columbia house. REAL nasty stuff (the kind of stuff that would make ron jeremy blush). you got his name and all.
have fun!!
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Or post his e-mail here, saves you a lot of time and effort. The noble art of delegation etc.
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Worked in a bookstore.
They sold Gay porn, Mandate, Honcho, Back in the old days the subscription cards would start subsribtion with out paying up front.
Fill out some of those for the guy. Imagine what his whife will thing when he starts getting gay porn.
I am not sure if it works the same still though last time I worked in a book store was 92
did that to a teacher back in highschool. this girl I was dating gave us the subscription card from some studmuffin-mag, we subscribed him with a money order for payment and his school address as the delivery address.
he didn't have to much trouble convincing them it was a set-up at first. of course after that mag sold his info to a couple hundred mailing lists he was getting the odd(really odd) piece of mail every few weeks for a couple years.
he never got in any trouble official over it (nothing could be proven)but the rumors took on a life of their own, by the next school year the storys had grown to people seeing him coming out of a gay bar, cruising the park in downtown KC, and probably a few others that I never even heard.
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I'm guessing it was a kid. His parents would be wondering why he's suddenly getting gay pr0n sent to him!
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it isn't like you lost anything, the game was a freebie with the card
take it as a lesson learned and leave negative feedback for the loser
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Creamo
One thing you dont want to do is give him what he deserves...negative feedback. Because he'll turn around and make up some negative feedback story on you. And eBay wont do a thing to intervene. Their customer service is non-existant. They certainly are thorough collecting their fees...but answering or resolving deadbeats and the false negative they leave...forget it.
Had it happen to me twice. Guy hit "Buy it Now" and never paid. I left him Neg feedback then he claimed I ripped him off (Doesnt that require sending money?). I'm weary of eBay. I wish someone else would clean their clock and step in.
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I'm guessing it was a kid. His parents would be wondering why he's suddenly getting gay pr0n sent to him!
never thought of him being a kid. thats a good reason not to subscribe him to any porn.
if it turns out he is a kid, and they can find anyway to track it to you, then you'd probably end up with some kind of sex-offender tag for delivering porn to a kid.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
never thought of him being a kid. thats a good reason not to subscribe him to any porn.
if it turns out he is a kid, and they can find anyway to track it to you, then you'd probably end up with some kind of sex-offender tag for delivering porn to a kid.
Good point. In that case, call and ask for his mother/father/parent. Act like a telemarketer or business call. If you get a parent on the phone, tattle on him!
Otherwise, porn away!
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I wonder if the postal authorities would be interested? If he accepted something by mail, but didnt pay they might raise an eyebrow, but maybe not.
I saw a guy selling socket racks for a dollar, but only if you read the fine print real real close did you see he charged $26 for shipping this small item. I wrote ebay note about it, but no response. I agree their customer support sucks.
dago
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For future reference, try paypal.
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Originally posted by AKIron
For future reference, try paypal.
Been duped there once.
Someone received the item (signed too!) and then wrote PayPal claiming they never got it and refunded their funds.
Check out other horror stories... http://www.paypalsucks.com/
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I've used it many times, never had any trouble. Guess there are always exceptions.
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Originally posted by Creamo
The short story is I got a game free with my new video card, and since I already had it, put it on Ebay. Like always, it sold top dollar(fools), and I got an email with a guys name, address, and phone number. We exchanged email replys and he said he'd send payment right away. Well, he didn't.
After a week I got an email saying he was sorry and it was going out that day. I was going to the post office so I replied that was cool and just sent it. And before you all chime it how stupid that was, sending a peice of software I didn't really pay for ahead of time knowing I'd not have to take 30 minutes out of my day sometime later to go back to the post office just wasn't worth it to me.
Who was the fool again? ;)
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Guy hit "Buy it Now" and never paid. I left him Neg feedback then he claimed I ripped him off (Doesnt that require sending money?). I'm weary of eBay. I wish someone else would clean their clock and step in.
ya i dont buy or sell to anyone with bad feed back,,they need to have a 99% for me to even think about it and atleast 50 sales<~~but i like buying from power sellers mostly,,there too afraid to mess up there record,,lol,,i havent got ripped yet,,but i know some freinds who have
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Yeah, Ebay are ********s, but that's because they can be. I've had the retaliatory negative feedback bit. Purchased my Pioneer Premier CD Receiver from a place in Florida. Received it OK, but the feed mechanism was pooched upon arrival. Tried to contact the email address, but just got an auto-responder. Left three messages in a week with no reply. Finally left negative feedback, and they responded in kind. I gave up trying to contact Ebay about it after 10 emails were simply ignored by them. Fortunately, they were an authorized dlr for Pioneer, so I was able to get it warrantied by Pioneer...unfortunately, it meant two trips to Portland to the nearest authorized repair center.
I love Paypal and have never had a problem with it. I also ship anything I sell by Priority Mail with delivery confirmation.
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I only use Paypal to pay to people I trust. If buying on ebay - something I've yet to do, though I've considered it - I'd only buy from someone reasonably local and drive round.
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Creamo,
As it happens, I happen to be investigating a major case of internet fraud right now. My case has on the order of 10,000 victims all across the country most of whom were taken for quite small amounts and did not want to report it because they figured the police wouldn't care. To a degree they were right but I gave a damn because I was tired of seeing this ******* who was unidentified continually getting away with his bogus auctions. I finally managed to get some detectives in Ill. interested and thanks to them, we got some Postal Inspectors on board to take the case federally. I needed this help because the local DA was monumentally uninterested in issuing a walk through arrest warrant on a fraud case. Despite the fact that I had finally tracked one of the crooks down to a hotel in Florida, knew where he was and had an informant providing me information.
In any event, I digress, that story would easily begin another thread and I almost posted it here at one point seeking suggestions from this very knowledgeable group because I was so frustrated at the lack of interest I was getting from other agencies. I finally did get the help and the investigation is ongoing with two arrests so far. What I am trying to tell you is, please make a police report. Maybe nothing will happen but maybe something will. You can initiate the report process here:
http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp (http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp)
The IFCC will begin a basic investigation and then refer it to the agency they believe handles jurisdiction. Alternatively you can go to your local law enforcement agency and make the report. Hope all this helps.
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Originally posted by SOB
I love Paypal and have never had a problem with it. I also ship anything I sell by Priority Mail with delivery confirmation. [/B]
Smart, I found it more cost effective to use UPS. You have to pay extra for USPS tracking, delivery confirmation etc.
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With a few exceptions, it's always been cheaper for Priority Mail than UPS for me...even with the delivery confirmation. I don't have access to a business acct with UPS though, so the rates I get are from a UPS Customer Counter at a distribution center. Also, USPS will give you free boxes and shipping tape for Priority Mail.
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Thanks Crapgame. Interesting, I sent a letter and a IFCC printout finally. That was cool.
I just called the number, got his Mom. She said he just got the letter and would pay immediately.
He pry won't, but that was some good firepower. She seemed extra pissed!
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Had a problem about 2 years ago with a purchase, sent the money $290.00 via USMail.... and never got the item... well, I had been smart and paid for the confirmed delivery. Anyways, the kid who was selling, kept saying that he had sent and had delivery confirmation. I finally got the bogus tracking number and went to the USPS and they said it was bogus.... well pissed now, I called his home, got his Dad, and had a nice chat, well, still nothing. I gave up for like two months. Coincidentally I was in line at the Post OFfice, and happened to talk to the clerk about it, he gave me a form to report "mail fraud" Well I filled it all out, attached copies of the email he quoted as a USPS number. About two more months went by, heard nothing. Then one day in my mail box is a federal subopena to appear in court in Seattle Washington... they were charging the bastard!!!! Anyways, I met with two feds twice, gave a deposition to the prosecutor and the lil fediddleers attorney, and they pleaded down. I got my money back, plus some, and he got a record!
So it pays to be persistent.
Goodluck Creamo
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OK, now that is just damned funny.
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Bodhi has the right idea.. Go legal eagle.. Which means start building a case... Show proof of shipment..
show proof of his intent to pay...
show proof that you have not received payment...
contact local law enforcement.. bring a recorder if they give you the run around.. (ive seen the laziness first hand.. "oh ebay we cant help you.." call them on BS and write a letter to police chief and cc it to the mayor if neccessary)
you need a police report when you deal with ebays fraud claims department..
CC your police report to the perps local DA office and local police to expedite the matter... (build the case for them make it idiot proof and show it has merit)
include phone records and whatever written communication...
People dont understand that they are commiting felony by going across state lines when they committ their fraud on ebay, and those laws have some teeth..
The idiot in bodhi's case really messed up when they gave the false tracking number which the post office takes such activities very seriously. (think thats a seperate law "Mail Fraud")
Thats why I like USPS over other services like UPS /Fedex.. (did you know that ups's poilcy is to allow neighbors to sign for your stuff, I didn't know that one till it happened. I raised hell until UPS (the offender signed for my stuff and sat on it for 2 days until I saw on the website that my items were delivered and signed for..) pointed out to me thats their policy. I was like what kind of policy is that.. With USPS there is less BS and more teeth if there is any wrong doing..
Ebay's a great marketplace but there are some bad apples, really dot your I's and cross your T's when dealing with anyone, is my advice...
DoctorYO
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Maybe you could scare the money out of the little creep. Spell out mail fraud to him in a nice letter. You could address the letter to "The Parents of ......"
This might get his or the parents attention.