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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Furball on March 22, 2004, 06:56:49 PM
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primetime USA Aces High Gangtime.
stick that one up your whine list pipe and smoke it.
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gotta fight fire with fire.
During primetime it's either ganged or get ganged. Unfortunately.
There are alternatives, few, but some. But those are classified.
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I hereby name:
PrimeTimeUSA as the only time I can log in :(
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na prime time is when bullet supplys turn into duds.........
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Come to the CT and learn a new plane!
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We will be moving to Nights as a result of the massive numbers rooks seem to be having lately. It is not always the case but the majority of the time I am on Rooks have numbers.
I dont expect to make a huge difference by moving the squad to Nightland but every little bit helps.
We were talking about going to the Bish for a few tours or atleast one but.... We just cant:D
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
We will be moving to Nights as a result of the massive numbers rooks seem to be having lately.
Cool, holler when you go Knitwit and we'll wing a few.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Furball
primetime USA Aces High Gangtime.
Indeed. A situation exacerbated by small maps and/or having the fields too close together. Unfortunately, the gang-crap is what many people seem to want. :(
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Furball
Now you know why I ussually only fly mornings. Pick your area of activity carefully. Stay away from the main streams.
Go pork an empty base & see what comes up.
In short, think ahead of the crowd. :)
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Indeed. A situation exacerbated by small maps and/or having the fields too close together. Unfortunately, the gang-crap is what many people seem to want.
Beetle you are so full of S@#T. The gangbangs are just as bad if not worse when the fields are spaced farther apart. At least with closer fields I can up a from the field not getting banged and defend. No chance of defense when the fields are more than a sector apart.
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beetle im placing you in time out for using big words and speaking rubish:D
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the far fields are worse for gangbanging since porked fuel makes it impossible to have a decent fite and... the late war b&z planes can get alt before they get to the 25% fuel base.
The "missunz" and the reward for reset make for more gangbang menatlity. the influx of new players who don't feel confident enough to engage in air to air combat contributes.
In short.. late war planes, far bases and the strat cause the timid gangbanging we see.
lazs
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Originally posted by mars01
No chance of defense when the fields are more than a sector apart.
Bollocks. What you mean is "Waaaah, I can't up my LA7 and be back at the base under attack in less than 3 minutes with an e advantage over the guys who are porking it". Why not up right there at the base that's being attacked?
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Lazs - I think there's less gangbanging on Pizza because the front line is spread out. People have whined about that, and it seems they want fewer bases in the front line to squeeze out more furballs.
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"go ahead, have some:D "
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Bollocks. What you mean is "Waaaah, I can't up my LA7 and be back at the base under attack in less than 3 minutes with an e advantage over the guys who are porking it". Why not up right there at the base that's being attacked?
Brush your teeth again beet your breath smells like s#$t:D
If the bases are close together how can I get to alt faster. Hello bases closer together, plus only a moron climbs in an LA7, oh wait never mind :rofl
Oh and I forgot, you like to capture bases that are undefended. I can see how the whole idea of fighting other planes would bother you, nuff said:rofl I agree with you beet, it's much harder to capture undefended bases when the fields are closer together. bwahaahhahahaaaaa :rofl
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ROFL! The old "undefended bases" rhetoric! :lol
Look, matey: There are the following warnings which are activated when a base is under attack. - Bardar
- flashing map
- radar
- "base under attack"
- siren
...so whose fault is it if those lazy dolts don't get off their arses to defend when a base comes under attack? Don't blame the map. Except in the case of pizza map, your option to up in an LA7 from a field 3 mins away does not exist. :lol You have to fight it out right there and then, and clearly this is what sticks in the craw. Of course, you can still up from a base next door, but that would be 6 minutes flying time! :eek: Nope, far easier to abandon the base, and then claim that its captors were milkmaids capturing "undefended" bases.
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/jester.gif)
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Best times to fight Rooks:
Between 8am and 3pm EST/CST while they are at day care/kindergarten.
Between 4pm and 4:30pm while they have cookies and catch the latest Spongebob Cartoon.
After 10pm on weeknights when they have to go beddy bye.
We need to have a talk with the parents, though. Monday is a school day and they shouldn't let the little bastards stay up so late on Sunday night!
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...so whose fault is it if those lazy dolts don't get off their arses to defend when a base comes under attack? Don't blame the map. Except in the case of pizza map, your option to up in an LA7 from a field 3 mins away does not exist. You have to fight it out right there and then, and clearly this is what sticks in the craw. Of course, you can still up from a base next door, but that would be 6 minutes flying time! Nope, far easier to abandon the base, and then claim that its captors were milkmaids capturing "undefended" bases.
There goes beet just like a woman, when shes wrong she changes context.
The context here buddy, is gangbangs. When a base is under attack by the gang, there is no upping to defend. Hello, its like you dont even play this game:rofl . So when its Gang Time forget about upping at the base.
Now when the bases are farther apart, like you like, it makes no sense to up and fly 10 mins to defend a base that is going to be taken in that amount of time.
But, if the bases are less than a sector apart it allows a short enough time to get to the base to try and thwart the capture.
The old "undefended bases" rhetoric
Your the one that claimed that's your favorite kind of flying. Tough when you can't stand by your own words:rofl
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Mars
I refer you to what I said earlier, which is that the Pizza map for example, has a spread out front line, allowing activity between many points. Where there is only ONE pair of bases in the front line, a furball/gangbang will spawn between those points. It might start out as a furball, but as Lazs points out - the only factor governing the outcome (and determining the transition from furball to gangbang) is numbers. "Now when the bases are farther apart, like you like, it makes no sense to up and fly 10 mins to defend a base that is going to be taken in that amount of time."
Indeed, so man the field guns and/or get some GVs onto the field to kill the vulchers. It's not my fault or the fault of the map if you can't be arsed to do what's necessary to defend your base. This whole "up-from-the-base-next-door-and-come-in-with-a-5K-alt-advantage-in-my-LA7/P51" philosophy is soooo lame. :rolleyes:
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but its sure is fun to up from a base thats under attack
go to the flashing base, look around from the tower, aaahhh some mates are up defending, up yerself, hug the ground after takeoff, come back with 2k alt and some e with ya and shoot them baddies down. good practice for sa too
but a vulched base, rarely do i up from it
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How come Furbies threads always get so far off topic?
wtf you trying to pull Beetle?
Go get your own thread!
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Hey Morph ... when ya comin over?
Would love to wing with you (and AKAK) sometime and see if I can pick up some pointers in the 38.
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I refer you to what I said earlier, which is that the Pizza map for example, has a spread out front line, allowing activity between many points. Where there is only ONE pair of bases in the front line, a furball/gangbang will spawn between those points. It might start out as a furball, but as Lazs points out - the only factor governing the outcome (and determining the transition from furball to gangbang) is numbers.
Activity happens between many points when bases are closer together, not farther apart like pizza crap. Only action when bases are farther apart is the hord flies from one base to the next.
You are correct though, when you say "Where there is only one pair of bases in the front line the only factor governing the outcome is numbers. " When you have bases closer together you have more bases on the front line. Thats what we have been saying all along.
The problem is that you try to associate the gang with a furball and you are wrong. But this goes back to you not knowing what a furball is in the first place. Otherwise you would not call the gangbang a furball and you would stop being so blatantly wrong:D.
Indeed, so man the field guns and/or get some GVs onto the field to kill the vulchers. It's not my fault or the fault of the map if you can't be arsed to do what's necessary to defend your base.
Yeah because those ack last so long when the gang gets there. What a joke Beet. Stay in context this thread is about the Gangbang. There is no defending a base from within the base when the gangbang gets there.
This whole "up-from-the-base-next-door-and-come-in-with-a-5K-alt-advantage-in-my-LA7/P51" philosophy is soooo lame.
Where did you get that philosophy, I can't agree more.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Bollocks. What you mean is "Waaaah, I can't up my LA7 and be back at the base under attack in less than 3 minutes with an e advantage over the guys who are porking it". Why not up right there at the base that's being attacked?
ROFL
Beet your gettin the ladies of The "cocktail hour society" all wound up again.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Hey Morph ... when ya comin over?
Would love to wing with you (and AKAK) sometime and see if I can pick up some pointers in the 38.
Very soon I hope. I had a blast flying for the Nights those few days a while back.
I am going to talk to the squad about the switch tonight and see if we can make the move sooner. If not then we'll be over at the start of the next tour;)
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beetle san, this indeed describes you best in this thread: (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/jester.gif)
:D
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i sense a hijacking in progress
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Originally posted by Jackal1
ROFL
Beet your gettin the ladies of The "cocktail hour society" all wound up again.
I know! And they're such good value! :lol
Saintaw! Sorry old chap... I realise there are more than nonante words in this post!
Mars. In the case of the pizza map, the capture of an "undefended" base does not need a horde. You have been at pains to point out that a "furball" is 50v50 or something like that, so I doubt that your definition of "horde" is applicable to 6 guys. So I don't accept that there was "no way to defend against us". There's a difference between not being able to defend, and of making a tactical error. And that's exactly what happened in that P47 session I had on pizza a few weeks ago. In short, they cocked it up. They could have got GVs - actually, a couple of them did. One even shot our goon, who landed instead of dropping troops! :mad: But the rest of them probably just buggered off, whining about "hordes of milkmaids". :rolleyes: The context here buddy, is gangbangs. When a base is under attack by the gang, there is no upping to defend. Hello, its like you dont even play this game
I don't entirely disagree with you. The game YOU play during US PT - hordes/furballs/gangbangs (choose whichever term fits best) is entirely different from the game when America sleeps. "Hordes" of guys gangbanging a base on the pizza map when there's only about 70 people online? Erm... I don't think so.
The gangbangery is a function of numbers or, more accurately, the density of players on the map. (That's why kills per hour is a relative value, and needs other factors to be taken into account) Small maps which compress the action into a smaller space plus the sheer numbers that are online during USPT are two linked factors which combine to engender hording and gangbangery. I am not alone in having observed that. Furball has seen it, and that is the subject of his thread...
...and with that, we are back on topic.
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Mars. In the case of the pizza map, the capture of an "undefended" base does not need a horde. You have been at pains to point out that a "furball" is 50v50 or something like that, so I doubt that your definition of "horde" is applicable to 6 guys. So I don't accept that there was "no way to defend against us". There's a difference between not being able to defend, and of making a tactical error. And that's exactly what happened in that P47 session I had on pizza a few weeks ago. In short, they cocked it up.
Who cares this thread is about the gangbang hordes. You changed context to get this to fit your narrow view. Don't talk to me about your 6 guy attack an undefended base, I don't care about that, we are talking about gang banging hordes here. Please keep the topic in mind when you reply.
I don't entirely disagree with you. The game YOU play during US PT - hordes/furballs/gangbangs (choose whichever term fits best)
I furball is a large group of fighters, fighting without a care about capturing a base. That is not a horde or gangbang, where the horde flies to a base completely overwhelms the base by shear numbers and captures it. So you are wrong when you classify a furball as a gangbang horde. You think that doing this supports your argument, but then your argument is flawed.
is entirely different from the game when America sleeps. "Hordes" of guys gangbanging a base on the pizza map when there's only about 70 people online? Erm... I don't think so.
So why do you continually talk your BS about furballers and the like when you don't even fly during the aforementioned times.
Small maps which compress the action into a smaller space plus the sheer numbers that are online during USPT are two linked factors which combine to engender hording and gangbangery.
BS. Map size does not matter, the horde exists where the horde decides it is going. That is from one base to another. Therefore as long as there are two bases or 100 bases all you need are two. The horde does not go where it is forced like you say.
I am not alone in having observed that. Furball has seen it, and that is the subject of his thread...
You are not alone in having observed the gangbangs, which is what Furball has observed. You are one of a small few who think the horde is a result of small maps and close bases which again is completely wrong.
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OK Mars - very quickly... Furball has observed that USPT is a time when all the gangbangery takes place. Why's that then? Why do you think he observed this phenomenon during USPT, and felt sufficiently strongly about it to start a thread about it? Why do you think the same thing does not happen to such a degree during Euro hours?
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I think there are a higher percentage of new guys on in prime time who are afraid to look bad so they hide in the "missunz"...
They can pretend that they are doing important work instead of hiding from good fights... The further apart the bases the more this becomes acceptable practice... the more time to "organize" (do nothing)... The more acceptable the suicide toolshed and gas can porking becomes..
lazs
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I Totally agree Laz.
Beet,
Hordes are a result of numbers - the more people you have on the more flying together as one country. It doesn't matter what size the map is or how close the fields are.
EuroPT does not have the numbers to produce the hordes. Plain and simple. If the hordes were not a factor of the numbers and were a fator of the small maps and close bases then you would see the hordes during EuroPT since the only thing that changes are the numbers.
You stated that you dont have the hordes in EuroPT, so what has changed. Not the maps.
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Lazs/Mars - I think we're back on common ground. :)
I agree with Lazs about the Missun Editor. When I first began in AH, I thought the M.E. was a cool idea, but quickly realised it was just a gangbang generator. I even suggested that it be turned off - along with getting rid of bardar.
So - if no hordes in EuroPT, then it must be due to numbers/density. And that's what Furball has observed. And I agree with him.
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Yeah, I agree with that beet.
I don't agree that map size and field range affects the horde.
I agree the closer bases helps contain the horde better, because I can up from a field next door and hit the horde in time and without much time wasted flying a sector or more.
When the fields are a sector or more apart, it makes no sense to up and fly into the horde for a few reasons.
1) The base will probably be captured by the time I arrive and the horde will have moved on. Long flight for nothing.
2) Why fly a sector, waste all that time to be completely out numbered.
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Originally posted by beet1e
OK Mars - very quickly... Furball has observed that USPT is a time when all the gangbangery takes place. Why's that then? Why do you think he observed this phenomenon during USPT, and felt sufficiently strongly about it to start a thread about it? Why do you think the same thing does not happen to such a degree during Euro hours?
I beg to differ.
Many times I have left the MA at 1am EST with the Knights holding the Lion's share of the map, only to wake the next morning to see that we lost numerous bases while I got my beauty sleep.
There will always be hordes/gangbangs ... USPT, EuroPT, APPT, whateverPT.
The size of the horde, to be effective, is in direct relationship to the amount of people on ... and they will form for the reasons that Lazs has described.
Therefore, base proximity has nothing to to with the creation of a horde, but rather how effective a horde can be.
The farther the bases are apart, the harder it is to stop the momentum and damage of the horde.
The closer the fields are, the less effect the horde has, due to the fact that the the "'ole end around" will take back what was just lost ... hopefully discouraging them from marching onward and gathering steam ... this was the intent of Fester design and this has been proven true over and over on FesterMA.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
How come Furbies threads always get so far off topic?
Usually its me that make them meander onto totally different topics, this one needed no help from me tho :)
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for the most part weather u like them or not, small maps(too small) and pizza give the best fights right now.
xcept for Pizza(cause of how u fight Pizza to win it) the big maps are a waste of base space.
Big isles, tend to boil down to 3 or 4 pockets of furballs for the
duration of the map, sometimes the Gang decides to reset but for the most part the fights stailmate around A232 area, 22 21 114 115, 171 186area, sometimes near 84 area. Generally besides
for the bases listed the rest go unused unless a gang reset is being push on 1 country. This map usually stays about the same
and not reset for the week.
Trinity:
90% of time is unreset and fights stay at 4 spots, xcept for the occational backdoor CV attacks. 5 to 219, 199 to 145, 94 to 39, and Tant town. other wise rest of bases virtually unused for the week its up.
Festerma
xcept for the semi frequent coast CV attacks, 95% of the fight for the week of the map is centered around the 10k base center section of about 10 bases or so.
Pizza
if u like or u dont, Pizza offers the best
combonation of fights available.
u get low alt fights, high alt fights, GV fights, and good CV
fights. (comon complaint) they milk Pizza, well hate to break it
to you, but every map gets milked not just pizza.
changes? color change would be fine, althought it doesnt
bother me. big change, Ring GV bases are really meaning less,
either change a couple each side to airbases OR, make spane points to land slices, heck makem LVT spawns only to simulate
nearby Amphib assualts
Small maps have thier Furball collectors too.
sfma 1 to 19, basicly because these are the 2 bases
those 2 sides are logged on to when they join the arena.
easy to fix, future maps bases 1 2 n 3 should be put next HQ, so u log in and pop up behind the lines.
Mind
1 to 43 instant 40 50 plane furball,
44 furball for all 3 sides
5 to 4 somewhat but hardness of getting
foothold on west side hurts the fight.
Biggest problem with Mind is the virtual unresettablility of
the west side because of the narrow land mass @ 5 n 6.
nisles
biggest furball sight, middle island. general fight of map would be helped hugely, if P14 was moved farther away from 10 so that the base isnt under attack every 20 mins, same with 40 to 19 area, both ports are too close, CV attack like clock work 20 to 30 mins.
when HT went from X1 size maps straight to X4(had 300 or less playing at time) i knew they would be too big, but the small maps
had gotten out grown. really needed to go X2 or 3. even with 500 to 600 online X4 is still way too big and just creates
200 or so unused bases per map.
sorry for long reply.
Whels
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Originally posted by mars01
I furball is a large group of fighters, fighting without a care about capturing a base. That is not a horde or gangbang, where the horde flies to a base completely overwhelms the base by shear numbers and captures it. So you are wrong when you classify a furball as a gangbang horde. You think that doing this supports your argument, but then your argument is flawed.
where did you learn how to do statistical data? In a large Group of people statistics can "show" that there will be atleast one person who is fighting other than to have fun. Lets say 540 people are in the MA, and 1/2 are people who care only about having fun by furballing.(540x1/2=220) Now in a small area of about 30vs30 people "furballing" there are 15 people on each side who care about furballing only, and other 15 people are there for some other reason, whether it be to pork an enemy base/win the war type thing or squad ops or mission that they "want" to accomplish. So you can say that a furball is really 2 big hordes that have ran into each other and start fighting, and once the furballers see these 2 hordes of 2 people or so each they come thinking it is a furball.
then after that the big "Furball" turns into 2 big hordes that have fighter jock people (AKA Furballers), and the fighter jocks are so busy "furballing" that they never notice that once side's horde of furballers/ win the war people has got to the point where they are at the front steps of the base. Now the furballers one the otherside realize it to so they start to whine on country that porkers ruined there furball, when acctually they helped by keeping the enemy fighters busy while the porkers made there way to the base. So my point is that more than likely furballs are just horders with furballers mixed in.
(OMFG WHAT THE HELL HAVE I DONE!)
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where did you learn how to do statistical data
Who cares?
So you can say that a furball is really 2 big hordes that have ran into each other and start fighting, and once the furballers see these 2 hordes of 2 people or so each they come thinking it is a furball.
It's obviouse that you don't furball and have no idea what a furball is.
The hordes swarm a field and take it, that is not what happens in a furball. I have never seen two hordes from different countries fighting to take each others base. It is usually one country with overwhelming numbers where the gangbang starts. That is what the topic is here. If each country had equal sized groups than this would not be an issue.
On the otherhand a furball erupts where fighterjocks as you put it up to fight. The horde peopel lol may see the furball and think o boy theres the rest of my herd moooooo. And all the horders start to up at the same place. Then you start to see morons porking fuel ect and yes the furballs time is near an end.
You can go on and pretend a furball is a horde but any arguments you base on this will be flawed.
The bottom line, is that the furball is very different than a horde. If you can't see that then so be it.:D
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Originally posted by mars01
The bottom line, is that the furball is very different than a horde. If you can't see that then so be it.:D
wrong yet again.
horde-n. troops of nomads; gang[/i], rabble
AH Defination of Furball from my POV
Furball-2 groups of people fighting.
now aren't gangs just a bunch of people who love fighting:)
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think I need a dictionary for this thread ... Or just do the ole ignore the psycobabble and carry on with the sheep herding .
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i like to furball, bet you didnt know that one? But i do not like getting ganged.
There is a fine line between a nice furball where you have people slugging it out from each team...
...and getting pounced on by 4 or 5 people at once. Or getting into a 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2, and then the 4 high cherrypickers pounce.
Cant explain the difference but there is. People that do it can tell, but to those that do not it - it all looks the same.
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Originally posted by Furball
i like to furball, bet you didnt know that one? But i do not like getting ganged.
One of the things I like about the pizza map apart from what WT says in my sig. and what Whels said above is that ganging occurs much less, probably because it's less obvious to the stangbangers where to start. When the fields are too close together, and a base comes under attack, the ganging scoremongers will up their stangbang planes and come in with a 10K alt advantage. It's less viable on pizza with a spread out front line, especially given how little co-operation exists between the individual pilots of the largest online squadron of all: The It's-My-$14.95 squadron. :lol And the pilots of the second largest online squadron - Attention Deficit - can't be arsed to fly 6 minutes.
Hey Furball, your sig. mentions Arsenal. Are you a fan? Can you describe the Offside Trap as spoken of in "The Full Monte"?
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whels... I find exactly the oppossite of what you find.. I rfind no variety of fights at all on pizza for instance.
It really does have to do with numbers to a certain extent... in the CT there are few people but... no matter how big the map... the guys fight each other at 2 or 3 bases. probly the same for the euros... with few people you have to make your own fun... somebody porking stuff at undefended bases is noticed for the twerp he is.
lazs
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I think you need to find a better dictionary Skull ...
horde ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hôrd, hrd)
n.
1. A large group or crowd; a swarm: a horde of mosquitoes.
2
a. A nomadic Mongol tribe.
b. A nomadic tribe or group.
\Horde\, n. [F. horde (cf. G. horde), fr. Turk. ord?, ord[=i], camp; of Tartar origin.] A wandering troop or gang; especially, a clan or tribe of a nomadic people migrating from place to place for the sake of pasturage, plunder, etc.; a predatory multitude. --Thomson.
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Hiya Slapshot! :)
I think the meanings of all these words are relative, as is the number of people online to the 24 hour day. I left the MA at 1600 UTC (just 6 minutes ago) and there were 148 online. Most number of cons I saw on screen at any one time was 4, maybe 5. You have to work with what you have. Still, I had some good flying lessons from Chortle.
According to my Oxford English Dictionary, horde comes from the Polish word Horda. (No absolute value given - could be 10, or could be 500. It's all relative)
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the ganging scoremongers will up their stangbang planes and come in with a 10K alt advantage.
Beet1e, you complain about people wanting an alt advantage but you choose to fight only when you have one, you leave the area when co-alt or higher fighters arrive. Explain your hypocricy.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hey Furball, your sig. mentions Arsenal. Are you a fan? Can you describe the Offside Trap as spoken of in "The Full Monte"?
The back four (Dixon, Adams, Bould/Keown, Winterburn) would all step up in unison to catch the attacking player(s) offside, and raise their hand to signal to the linesman/referee they are offside.
Worked great, that defence was probably the most consistent ever in the english game.
There we go, im putting my own thread off topic morph :)
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I give this topic a 2.3 out of ten. I deducted Seven points for sheer boredom and .7 for redundancy.
(yawn)
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Originally posted by Steve
Beet1e, you complain about people wanting an alt advantage but you choose to fight only when you have one, you leave the area when co-alt or higher fighters arrive. Explain your hypocricy.
I can explain easily. You are, quite simply, wrong. I'm sending you a film of a 1v1 engagement I had this afternoon with some notes about how/why it happened. As you will see, it completely blows your theory. :cool:
Furball! Bloody hell, Tony Adams, Lee Dixon... Wonder how Adams' liver is doing these days. ;) That defence always reminds me of the pizza map whiners - quickly pull back... and then accuse the aggressor of "milkrunning an undefended base". :lol
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hiya Slapshot! :)
I think the meanings of all these words are relative, as is the number of people online to the 24 hour day. I left the MA at 1600 UTC (just 6 minutes ago) and there were 148 online. Most number of cons I saw on screen at any one time was 4, maybe 5. You have to work with what you have. Still, I had some good flying lessons from Chortle.
According to my Oxford English Dictionary, horde comes from the Polish word Horda. (No absolute value given - could be 10, or could be 500. It's all relative)
If you watched "MY Greek Wedding" ... "The word Horde come from the Greek word " horda" which means "to hang out together" (and if you believe that, then spray some windex on yourself).
Yes it is relative ... the strong point in the definition is ...
... people migrating from place to place for the sake of pasturage, plunder, etc.; a predatory multitude ...
It's the action/mindset and not the numbers. In a 5 to 1, the 5 would be considered a horde (or gang) in comparison to the 1.
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The back four (Dixon, Adams, Bould/Keown, Winterburn) would all step up in unison to catch the attacking player(s) offside, and raise their hand to signal to the linesman/referee they are offside.
Learned that in Middle School. They key is to make sure that you excute the trap before a (long) lead pass has left the foot of the passer and the linesman is paying attention ... else, you will get burned.
Beet1e ... just read you correlation of this defense to pizza ... stick with chess and stay away from football ... you don't seem to have a clue ... you DONT pull back ... you move forward.
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AHEM! That's ELEVEN beefcakes... and they are overpaid, spoiled, self-centered beefcakes...
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Wow,
away for a day, but seems you guys handled the maroons.:D
LOL Havoc you crack me up :D
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Originally posted by SlapShot.
Many times I have left the MA at 1am EST with the Knights holding the Lion's share of the map, only to wake the next morning to see that we lost numerous bases while "I got my beauty sleep." [/B]
The only thing I have to say is SlapShot ask for a refund it's not working !!!:D