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Title: Differences on 190's
Post by: Dingy on December 23, 1999, 10:39:00 PM
OK...I am NOT a well read WWII aviation historian so go easy on me....  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

What is the major differences between the FW190 A series, D series and F series?  I know the D's were the Doras and were designed to fite the P-51s on even turf but what about the As and Fs?  What were the purposes of those plane types.

Curiosity has gotten the best of me and what better resource than my fellow pilots.

-Ding
Title: Differences on 190's
Post by: iculus on December 23, 1999, 11:48:00 PM
Since no one esle has replied, I tell you what I know (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

The 'A' series of the 190 was designed around a radial engine, as the inlines were slated for the 109.  The early 190A's such as A-4, caried:
2x MG151 20mm cannon (high muzzle velocity)
2x MGFF 20mm cannon (slower muzzle velocity)
2x 7.9 mm mg's (pellet shooters (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )

The 190A-8 packed a bit more of a punch with 4 of the better MG151 cannon, and the 7.9mm mg's upgraded to 13mm (close to .50 caliber).  With the heavier guns, the A-8 was less manueverable than the A-4, although the A-8 could shred targets much easier.  

What I know is that the 'F' series was a ground attack version (more armour plate). Not a good candidate for air superiority (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

The problem with the radial engine 190 was the lack of decent radial superchargers.  Without a good supercharger, performance fell off with altitude.  The Luftwaffe's main concern was allied bombing.  The bombers were high, so there was a need for a high speed, high altitude interceptor, that could also deal with escorts.  Enter the 190D (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

The 'D' series had a lengthened nose to accomadate the longer, inline engine.  The rear of the 'D' series (dora) was also lengthened to maintain the center of gravity about the wings.  The armament was reduced to 2 cannons and 2 heavy MG's.  The result was a spectacular fighter, arguably the best prop driven fighter of the war.  However, there was a trade off with the inline engine.  Weight increased, which made the 190D the poorest turning 190 off them all (eek!).  A modified Dora would become the Ta-152.

As modeled in WB...the Dora is an excellent ride.

Hope this helps (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

IC
Title: Differences on 190's
Post by: Dingy on December 24, 1999, 08:33:00 AM
Beautiful Iculous...

Just what I was looking for.  If Im not mistaken, the version we are flying now is the A8 right?

-Ding
Title: Differences on 190's
Post by: Westy on December 24, 1999, 08:48:00 AM

The A series were fighter/interceptors.
The F was fighter/bomber aka Jabo aircraft.
The D series was the fastest and more importantly the highest flying 190 of the series (barring the breif and minimal TA run of aircraft) It was a superb buff interceptor and if flown right it could evade the escorts (till the P47M came along anyway) but it was not very maneuverable.

--Westy
Title: Differences on 190's
Post by: iculus on December 24, 1999, 01:21:00 PM
Right, AH has the A-8 currently, which could replace a pair of 20mm cannon with a pair of 30mm cannon.  Fortunately for the 190 fans, AH models the optional 30mm cannon (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Happy Holidays!

IC
Title: Differences on 190's
Post by: funked on December 24, 1999, 04:00:00 PM
The F and G models were just A models with some equipment removed (outer wing cannon, cowl guns) and some equipment added (stores racks on centerline and wings, autopilot, navigation avionics, armor).  They were still very potent fighters once they had dropped their bombs.
Title: Differences on 190's
Post by: Jekyll on December 24, 1999, 04:49:00 PM
 
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Weight increased, which made the 190D the poorest turning 190 off them all (eek!).

Actually, not quite correct.  Even though the wing loading for the Dora was higher than previous 190's, the higher power loading meant that it could sustain a turn about as well as an A4, since it did not bleed nearly so much speed in a turn.

There is a documented dogfight between John Godfrey in a P51B and a 190D9 which suggests that both planes were fairly close in terms of sustained turn.

The better power loading of the D9 means that it was much better in vertacal maneuvering (high/low yoyo's).

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