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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on March 24, 2004, 08:50:53 AM
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Got one of the three Makarovs I bought today (stupid one gun a month California law)..
Thing is covered in cosmoline.. bulgarian manufacture 1988.. mint condition... appears to be unfired. Gonna take off early and clean the damn thing up. Allready have about 3,000 rounds of russian ammo on hand for it.
lazs
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Snap some pics.
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A friend of mine has a Car "Machine Parts Cleaner". The thing worked brilliantly in a few minutes on 2 Garands and 1 Springfield that were covered in cosmoline.
Just a FYI if you have any friends who like to restore vintage cars.
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don't know how to post pics. I use mineral spirits at the kitchen table. Finish off with brake cleaner and then coat the whole thing with a light coating of breakfree clp.
lazs
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on the next ones, try WD-40 and a parts-cleaner, brush. it melts the cosvoline right off, and leaves all the survaces with a nice oil coating.
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email someone the pics and maybe they can post them.
you need a website somewhere to be able to post.
Sounds sweet.
WD-40? eeek.. I only use that for rusted bolts.
I had a friend that decided to 'lubricate' their bearings with it.
lol.. ate those puppies right up
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Damnit lazs, you're getting me in the mood to buy another Mak.
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lazs2
http://www.photobucket.com
Easy way to host images...
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Did ya buy online Lazs? Got a link?
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When I had my PM (in army) I used TS-1 aviation fuel, RChS (Rastvor Dlya Chistki Stvolov - liquid for cleaning trunks) and usual gun oil. Thats all. 6 years without any problems.
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How many guns do you have lazs? You remind me of a character from "A Hymn to Battle"
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why not just use gasoline? Granted its over 2 bucks a gallon in cali
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hey Laz, you might wanna try one of those $99 CZ-52's next. They are a ton of fun. And with some hot loads more powerful than a .357.
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Just signed up for a CHL class. Don't plan to carry often but will be nice to be able to. Now I need to buy a gun.
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You have to buy from a FFL dealer in Ca. My gun came from SOG but Aim sells em as do many others. It really doesn't matter. I paid 10 bucks extra for hand picks but I have never seen a Bulgarian mak that even looked worn at all. They have chromed barells and are extremely well made. hold 9 rounds of 9.2 x 18
paint thinner cuts the cosmo just fine and the brake cleaner gets the hard to reach spot but I dissasembled the firing pin(s) anyway. I also cleaned a buddies who left it at my house. CLP or any good gun oil after (the brake cleaner really dries out the pores of the metal.
The guns came out great. My daughter and her friend were there and said "why did you buy those ugly guns?" when I got em cleaned up they both wanted one.
TPI the CZ52 is not a very good gun. I don't like em. You can get about half the energy of a .357 out of one without blowing it to pieces.
counted my guns,,,, Have 15 17 if you count the Maks I haven't got yet. 18 if you count the 22 conversion unit for the witness..Two are Model 97 shotguns and two are WWII rifles (Garrand and SMLE). 1 mini 14 stainless 40 rounder for crowd suppression... Rest are revolvers and pistols mostly in 44 or 45. by no means a large collection.
lazs
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Laz, use Saw's excellent free picture hosting site.
http://www.onpoi.net/ah
If you can get the pictute to your hard drive, it's all easy from there.
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Just use gasoline to strip of the packing. Done it tones of times with service rifles. Lots of work on an FN-FAL but should be a piece of cake on a pistol sized gun.
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Considering a Beretta 9MM for my first purchase. Comments?
(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/beretta9mm.jpg)
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not a bad gun but heavy. my first auto was a baretta. I was very happy with it until I found I could get everything the baretta offered in a gun that was maybe 70% of the weight.
I have a S&W now that weighs maybe half what the baretta did (with both empty) and has a smoother action. also I've fired about 4-5k rounds through the S&W without a single jam or mis-fire.
to sum it up- a good gun but you could do better for the money.
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Appreciate the info, I'll look at S&W.
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Lazs should take a trip to Cambodia (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/travelstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=3555971&thesection=travel&thesubsection=whatson&thesecondsubsection=)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Considering a Beretta 9MM for my first purchase. Comments?
(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/beretta9mm.jpg)
I have one,and I have to slightly disagree,I think it's a GREAT gun.
I've never had a single failure to feed,and you can field strip it in ten seconds.
He is right though,it is heavy-about 34 oz. unloaded,and it's large,so it's not a great concealed carry gun,but that's not its intended purpose.
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I'm getting the chl only so that I have no worries if I decide to stick it in the glove box when we travel within Texas. That, and there's no waiting or hassle when making future purchases. I won't be sticking it in my pocket or carrying it under my arm. Thanks for the info.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
why not just use gasoline? Granted its over 2 bucks a gallon in cali
Heard on the radio today that gas in the USA has gone up by something like 50% in some places - could you confirm?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Considering a Beretta 9MM for my first purchase. Comments?
(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/beretta9mm.jpg)
I have a Beretta 92F, and it is a good gun, a bit big and bulky which precludes concealed carry. All in all it shoots nice, and I enjoy having it, but that said, my favorite is my HK USP .40 cal. That is the creme de la creme. Shoots very accurately, and is just a pleasure to have.
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steil.... you should go to new york city with the other women.
lazs
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that left a mark
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LoL just what we need, a guy here to show the world why no one likes New Yorkers!
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Heard on the radio today that gas in the USA has gone up by something like 50% in some places - could you confirm?
Gas prices in Michigan are $1.84 today, for the cheap Speedway stuff. That's not 50%, but gas prices a year ago were around $1.20 so it's closer to 33%. Still, it's setting records for high gas prices over here.
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Originally posted by stiehl
Lazs should take a trip to Cambodia (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/travelstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=3555971&thesection=travel&thesubsection=whatson&thesecondsubsection=)
Hey sounds great I'm actually going there in October. I must check it out. I'll be in Vietnam too and will probably visit the museum which covers the "American war" as they call it. I'll bet you can pick up a cheap Makarov or two there. Tricky to get it on the plane nowdays though. LOL
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we used to clean everything in gasoline but there are so many things that work better these days.
The gun came out really nice looking. Can't wait to get some time to shoot it. Bore is chrome so it is perfect and with a fixed barrel it should be pretty accurate.
$200 gun out the door and $4.00 a box ammo. How could you have more fun for cheaper?
came with some strange 'target grips' and the original red star ones.. I put the bakalite red star ones on.
lazs
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Used to have a glock...nice gun, bullets came out the front until the black thing in the grip was empty. Just put more bullets in the black thing and repeat, never failed me.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Gas prices in Michigan are $1.84 today, for the cheap Speedway stuff. That's not 50%, but gas prices a year ago were around $1.20 so it's closer to 33%. Still, it's setting records for high gas prices over here.
Gas has been expensive in the Midwest for quite some time now. Regulations mandating up to 10%+ ethanol requires more refining and gives us lower gas mileage... its wondeful!
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112301
Lazs here is a guide to uploading pictures.
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Crazy gun addicted trigger happy people!
No really, you really seem to be trigger happy, every freaking last one of you.
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Originally posted by lazs2
we used to clean everything in gasoline but there are so many things that work better these days.
The gun came out really nice looking. Can't wait to get some time to shoot it. Bore is chrome so it is perfect and with a fixed barrel it should be pretty accurate.
$200 gun out the door and $4.00 a box ammo. How could you have more fun for cheaper?
came with some strange 'target grips' and the original red star ones.. I put the bakalite red star ones on.
lazs
Where did you buy it? I could use one :)
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Crazy gun addicted trigger happy people!
No really, you really seem to be trigger happy, every freaking last one of you.
Goes off, puts imaginary handgun away. Takes imaginary clip of ammo and puts it in desk. Goes and locks imaginary lock on imaginary door. Takes a sleeping pill and tylenol. Try to convince myself that there are no imaginary burglers.
:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
steil.... you should go to new york city with the other women.
lazs
But I can't shoot cows in nyc....... Except the human kind but they claim that it's against the law
I think it's $40 for an AK-47 in Somaila, I want one....or two....or three........
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Crazy gun addicted trigger happy people!
No really, you really seem to be trigger happy, every freaking last one of you.
It's to keep the Swede's from getting any idea's. ;)
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Wilbus
We are gun crazy and like it that way!
I may go shooting tomorow night!
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Crazy gun addicted trigger happy people!
No really, you really seem to be trigger happy, every freaking last one of you.
This has been today's Self-Righteous-Euro-Nanny-Stater Minute. Brought to you by Tampax.
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I enjoy shooting too, very fun actually :)
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Is indeed, lol
Unless the damn gun gives you issues right out of the box and it cost 800 plus!:mad:
:rofl :aok
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Sounds like you're talking from experience GtoRA2 :(
Gun laws in Sweden pretty stric, need licence to get guns, belive it's different licences for different kind of weapons. But maybe I'll get one some day, like I said, I love shooting. Will have to do it in a gun club for now...
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Am I the only one who actually likes the Taurus copies better than the original Beretta's?
I really despise slide mounted safties, and I think they are difficult to operate on most large auto's, and the movement is counter intuitive to me. For me (and I even have big hands) I usually have to operate most slide mounted safties with my off hand, rather than the thumb of the gun hand.
But the older designed Taurus copies have the old stlye frame mounted saftey, which I find much easier to use, especially unders stress.
Of course you can just skip all that crap and go to a SIG or a Glock, which have internal safties.
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wilbus.. and that is the point.. guns are fun. I even enjoyed stripping the commie guns and cleaning off 20 years of gunk. I will enjoy shooting them and I will enjoy sharng the expereiance with freinds. I enjoy the cold war history of the Maks and I feel like I could defend myself or others with it.
I believe it is my right to defend myself and that the government has no right to tell me what firearms I can own to do so. I believe the govenment (the people) have a right to punish me if I missuse these firearms but not before that.
Target shooting is fun.. plinking is fun.. collecting is fun... relaoding your own ammo is fun and doing all of the above with friends and family is even more fun. Defending myself is simply a human right.
As men we leave our moms at a certain age.... why do we then elect people to act as our mommy? Grow a pair before the women vote for the removal of all things related to testosterone.
lazs
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Wasn't meant to offend anyone so I hope I haven't done so, Funked seem to have taken it a bit heavy though...
Yes it's very fun to shoot, I love target shooting. Only pistol I've had the plessure of firing was a 0.22, was fun enough though, Been compeating in 0.22 rifle contests fairly much.
Fired the M45 B (bet quite few of you have done that, 1940's Sub Machine Gun) aswell as the Ak5 (FN FNC) Assult Rifle so I am by no means against weapons or such (Funked).
Gotto get back into shooting I think, love it.
As for carrying guns for personal defence, can't say anything about it, don't live in the US and I think quite few in Sweden would ever feel the need for it.
Oh btw, please do post some pics if you get the chance.
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none taken wilbus... funked was sorta kidding but there is an undercurrent of euros telling us that we shouldn't have firearms or that there is some 'logical" and "safe" way for us to enjoy the hobby and defend ourselves and that the government knows best.... then...
someone like you gets on and says how much he enjoys shooting (understandable) but is really unable to do it because of the regulations and expense caused soley by his busybody government.
We simply don't want any more of those type of regulations here... I want to get rid of most of the regulations we do have in fact. I see no point to them and feel that they are an intrussion on my rights and that I am being accused of a crime before i even commit one.
If you were here... we could go shooting my guns and have a good time. Beetle for instance, had a great time and you could hardly get him to stop. Still.... after that... he still thinks that he and his fellow man can't be trusted and need a government to make sure he or his fellow citizens don't hurt themselves. I simply don't get it.
lazs
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Rgr that Lazs, it's not very difficult to get to shoot here but you need to be member of a club and shoot at the same time they do etc unless you spend money and time on getting a lisence, in that case I believe you can shoot on the ranges for your self.
Would indeed be very fun to go out and shoot with ya, seem to have quite a few different guns :)
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I'd still like to know where you got 'em from. I can't find a never fired Bulgarian Makarov under $200.
BTW are these the 12 round high capacity Makarovs ?
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Nevermind, just found one. Red star grips and still in the cosmoline $160
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Wasn't meant to offend anyone so I hope I haven't done so, Funked seem to have taken it a bit heavy though...
Yes it's very fun to shoot, I love target shooting. Only pistol I've had the plessure of firing was a 0.22, was fun enough though, Been compeating in 0.22 rifle contests fairly much.
Fired the M45 B (bet quite few of you have done that, 1940's Sub Machine Gun) aswell as the Ak5 (FN FNC) Assult Rifle so I am by no means against weapons or such (Funked).
Gotto get back into shooting I think, love it.
As for carrying guns for personal defence, can't say anything about it, don't live in the US and I think quite few in Sweden would ever feel the need for it.
Oh btw, please do post some pics if you get the chance.
GOOD TIMES :D :aok
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suave... no, not the hicapacity 12 round ones. I don't have any intere3st in them. These are 8 round single stack ones. You can tget em from AIM but you need to be an FFL dealer or have one get it for you.
lazs
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BTW -- Aim is out of stock for about another week. Then I'll be getting mine. 12-round versions have bad rep, I believe.
Charon
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yep... that's what I've heard. I shot the little bugger today... shot about 6 magazines of barnaul HP ammo and wolf FMJ all steel throw away stuff at like $88 a thousand rounds.
gun functioned flawlessly and very light recoil.... A real hoot to blast away with. seemed accurate enough as I could keep a coke can moving around from 15 yards or so.
lazs
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Anybody have a Steyr GB laying around that they are not using?
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Nice pick up laz. I'm planning on picking one up, but it's a bit down on my list. I'm getting ready to build my lower for a new AR15-A1. I'm going to hold off on final assembly till Sept, but it will be ready to go for Gunstock. BTW if you guys are interested here's a good place to get info on where to meet up with local shooters, and to shoot the BS. AR15.com Home of the black rifle. (http://www.ar15.com)
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Originally posted by lazs2
If you were here... we could go shooting my guns and have a good time. Beetle for instance, had a great time and you could hardly get him to stop. Still.... after that... he still thinks that he and his fellow man can't be trusted and need a government to make sure he or his fellow citizens don't hurt themselves. I simply don't get it.
The only thing that stopped us was when we ran you out of ammo - lol!
As for not getting it, just think of these numbers: 13000+ (1992) & <100.
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Originally posted by Suave
I'd still like to know where you got 'em from. I can't find a never fired Bulgarian Makarov under $200.
BTW are these the 12 round high capacity Makarovs ?
It's not a PM it's PMM. Pistolet Makarova Modernizirovannyj (PM- Modernised). It have 12 gauge magasine. But to be truly, It don't have good reputation.
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beetle.... 1.5-3 million times a year guns are used to stop crime How many deaths did that prevent? 100,000? more? rapes? cripplings? that seems pretty good against 12,000 deaths a year of which most are people no one will miss.
lazs
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Instead of spending your money on Commie guns you should spend your money on one of those Commie chicks that advertise on the Internet. Much more entertaining, plus you can spank em if you like. :aok
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They don't have to be commie to spank.
lazs
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Instead of spending your money on Commie guns you should spend your money on one of those Commie chicks that advertise on the Internet. Much more entertaining, plus you can spank em if you like.
guns actually increase in value as they age.
you can ignore them for weeks and they don't make a sound.
you only have to feed them right before you use them.
you can own as many as you like and the others don't mind
you can borrow one from a friend and nobody gets pissed
if a gun catches you with another gun it won't use a woman on you, the reverse isn't true.
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LOL Apathy, very good- Happiness is, indeed, a warm gun.
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I thought it was "happiness is a belt-fed weapon", but yours works too. :D
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guys... these little commie guns are fun to shoot... they throw the cases must be 20 feet! they are pretty darn accurate and just enough of a kick to know you are fireing something bigger than a .22. Bout like shooting a .38 spl.
Again... Ammo is like 4-5 bucks a box.. cheap entertainment.
This thing feels realy solid and it feeds like a starved wolfhound.. I think I would trust the thing for a backup...
lazs
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(http://makarov.com/graphics/miltex/miltex1.jpg)
Is this what you have?
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yep... except that mine is the military blue finish and the one in the picture has had the front of the tiggerguard altered and the floorplate of the magazine is not stock and it has all that crappy writing all over it. but yeah... mostly like that.
lazs
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The pen is almost as big as the barrel.
Fits in a purse well I bet.
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yep creamo... hoping that is the case since it is going to my daughter in law.
you would be surprised at some of the cannons I have seen in womens purses tho.
lazs
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except that mine is the military blue finish and the one in the picture has had the front of the tiggerguard altered and the floorplate of the magazine is not stock and it has all that crappy writing all over it. but yeah...
Lol, you homo. You have a purse gun, but it's "military blue"?!
I am so disappointed. What a studmuffin.
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Beetle, don't rob Laz, he'll pull out a leg stocking .22!
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cremo... it is military blue because it came right out of the arsenal. best I can tell it's unfired. I have two more coming. It is/was the standard military and police sidearm for the former Soviet Union.
I don't own a purse so I guess it would be a pocket gun in my case. It is .364 caliber. It shoots a 95 grain hollowpoint at about 1100 fps. very respectable for a purse/pocket gun.
by contrast, the nazi gun it copies, the PPK, shoots a .308 or .356 round of between 70 and 90 grains at about 900 fps.
lazs
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creemo... I did have a berreta in 22 that would fit in a boot. bet even a tough guy like yourself couldn't swallow more than 5 or six .22's huh?
lazs
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it's not a Makarov. Sorry guys. It's something self-made.
I'll give you a link. There are photos of Makarov, PMM and their gas modifications.
http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/29/270.html
On the first photo (1-1) we see PM (Pistolet Makarova) type 1960.
The second (1-2) PM type 1949.
Pic 2-4 PMM.
Pic 2-10 PM producing this time.
Now look at your pistol and tell me, is it Makarov or this is something else.
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Your gun is on the second page there. It's so called "Arsenal". Bulgarian producing based on the Makarov's license. As you can see, it have too much differences from the original.
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Originally posted by lazs2
creemo... I did have a berreta in 22 that would fit in a boot. bet even a tough guy like yourself couldn't swallow more than 5 or six .22's huh?
lazs
Don't tweak out, and for sure please dont shoot me as I never said i was tough, I just pulled yer chain on a bbs quite well. You dont drink, I do. Try 3 bottles of Cook's Brut. It would all make sense.
Course I'd just ***** slap you if you tried to pull out such a pansy handgun from your Poison Stage wear fancy pants wannabe biker boots.
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lazs, I replaced my #17 recoil spring with a #19 Wolff spring. It now only flings the brass 10' feet. :)
http://makarov.com/cart/vitemmak.htm (http://makarov.com/cart/vitemmak.htm)
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Thanks, Estel, great link!
To Lasz: be carefull! on the second page there one guy says he talked to a representative of the Bulgarian manufacturer, and he said this "Makarov" has only a 4000 shots warranty, and after 6000th shot he'll be afraid to shoot it himself :(
The guy says that his daily shooting norm in the shooting range is 250-300 cartridges, and he has no problems with standard Army PM, while one of his friends had a Bulgarian Baikal-442's barrel "fly away" in forward direction after 200th shot. :(
Barrel chromed inside doesn't prove that quality of this weapon is good. Chromed barrels were used in war-time PPSh-41 production, mostly because the quality of the barrel finish was unsaticfactory... A cheap solution.
Please, be carefull!
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estel... that picture is a Makarov as I said it is simply customized a bit but not as much as some I have seen.
Makarov.com has plenty of info on the little commie guns. Bulgarians have a circle ten proofmark and are about the best deal.
makarov... why the spring? I am using russian ammo in a russian gun... it functions great why mess with it?
creemo.. I was not in the least offended. I would never shoot you because I was offended. Well.... I might but I would feel bad later.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle.... 1.5-3 million times a year guns are used to stop crime How many deaths did that prevent? 100,000? more?
Not here. There aren't enough guns for guns to prevent crimes 1½m-3m times a year. And as far as the UK goes, what guns we do have certainly don't prevent 100,000 deaths each year, as you suggest is happening in the US. I know that for a fact because our total annual homicide tally is only about 800 or less. And that's without 50m guns distributed amongst the population.
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Cool Beet, can we move GB right up against Mexico? Watch your homicide rate skyrocket.
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well hell bettle... you probly don't have more than a couple hundred thousand people anyway and no real decent latino or black gangs to speak of...
get with the times man!
in the U.S. guns do more good than harm. In the UK if you had firearms rights they would do more good than harm there too... simple equation really.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
in the U.S. guns do more good than harm. In the UK if you had firearms rights they would do more good than harm there too... simple equation really.
No, I cannot agree with that. I think you're trying to make the US thesis fit the UK model - again. It is my belief that if there were a guns free-for-all here, the carnage we currently suffer in the form of ~60 gun homicides annually would be much, much worse. Not in white middle class areas perhaps. (I was out walking on Sunday and the sound of gunfire was all around me and, one presumes, a lot of dead pheasants!) But in inner city areas where there is crime, and some people do have guns, things would be worse.
There was an interesting editorial about this in my normal paper, which appeared shortly after a police officer was killed last Dec.26 by a gunman who turned out to be an American on the run from Florida justice. It talked about the difficulties facing the police today, and made the point that one thing they have in their favour is that criminals are frustrated by their inability to get guns, and what a blessing that is.
I was going to post that article - would have been a good one for you and Toad et al. But we had just been bereaved by the loss of OzKansas, and it was a time for decorum.
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well... if it was and editorial and and interview with one policeman.... well... how can the statistics compete with that? How much safer are you now that the gun ban of 96 has been in place? seems your crime rate is rising.
lazs
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makarov9.. what mak is yours? is it a Bulgarian? And why change the spring? Are you loading hot ammo for it?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
How much safer are you now that the gun ban of 96 has been in place?
Safer than we'd be without it.
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You are safer now than in '96? How does having higher crime rates make you safer exactly?
one thing tho... probly some of the best locks in the world will be coming out of england.
lazs
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Just went to a local range and tried a Glock, Walther, and Baretta all 9MM with 50 rounds each weapon. I'm sold on the Baretta, gonna look for a deal at a gun show.
Just joined the NRA too, figured it was time to contribute a little to those working to prevent the bleeding hearts from taking our guns.
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Ak
You should go back and try a sig, a P225 or 226 of you can, before you make the call.
Very nice guns.
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I looked at the Sigs, they were a little too pricey for me. My brother went with me to the range, he was recommending the three I tried. He flies for American and just signed up for their handgun program. When he finishes they will give him a Sig, though he's not sure which model. He has to pass a psyche eval first, I told him they'll probably take his driver license away, much less give him a gun. ;)
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Thats the draw back to a Sig, they are spendy.
I got my P220 a back in 93 or 94, I have never had any kind of failure, that was not my fault(spring put back in wrong).
Of all the handguns I own it is the only one I trust 100%. I do not own a glock, or a Berreta though.
I bet he gets a Sig 228.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I looked at the Sigs, they were a little too pricey for me. My brother went with me to the range, he was recommending the three I tried. He flies for American and just signed up for their handgun program. When he finishes they will give him a Sig, though he's not sure which model. He has to pass a psyche eval first, I told him they'll probably take his driver license away, much less give him a gun. ;)
I'm suprised he's getting a Sig. The pilots are supposed to get H&K USP .40's. Thats the reason H&K is building a new factory in Columbus, GA. Also H&K has come out with a new modified M4 upper for the AR-15/M16 system, and they have increased the reliability of the system by 30%
BTW I'm sold on and love my USP .45
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Originally posted by lazs2
You are safer now than in '96? How does having higher crime rates make you safer exactly?
one thing tho... probly some of the best locks in the world will be coming out of england.
lazs
Because I feel safe sleeping at night with the windows open without keeping a gun beside the bed. You don't.
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just because you feel safer doesn't mean you are safer.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Got one of the three Makarovs I bought today (stupid one gun a month California law)..
LOL :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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beetle... you were the one telling me that my locks were no good ... why do you even need locks... oh wait... you have those "free range burglars" there don't you?
gatt... you think the one gun a month law is funny? How so?
lazs
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Lazs ,
from my italian POV, where is so difficult to buy a gun officially, its so funny reading about you whining becouse you cannot get more than a montly gun ;) :) :rofl
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well... we have even worse laws than that but that was the one that applied.
I do not feel the government or any human being has the right to tell me how many or what kind of guns I own.
lazs
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Originally posted by GScholz
Good for you AKIron, I'm sure the BEretta won't let you down. Shooting pistols is fun. :)
Lucky for me you don't have to know how to spell it to use it. ;)
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When I was young and reckless I owned a Smith & Wesson K38 Masterpiece (6" barrell). It was a real beauty ...
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My first centerfire revolver was a Smith and Wesson 6" K38 masterpiece... It was also the first gun I reloaded ammo for to combat the outrageous 4-5 dollar a box factory ammo price.
I also bought a K22 masterpiece latter. those seemed like two of the most accurate handguns I have ever owned.
My Dan Wesson in 44 mag is pretty close tho... The thing shoots very well.
lazs
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
just because you feel safer doesn't mean you are safer.
Indeed. Many people feel safer if they have a gun to hand, but the stats tell a different story. The US police are armed to the teeth, and yet about 70 are slain each year in the line of duty. In Britain, beat cops are unarmed (though that is changing slowly) and in most years none is killed. Hmmm.
Lazs! beetle... you were the one telling me that my locks were no good ... why do you even need locks... oh wait... you have those "free range burglars" there don't you?
You've been burgled at your house in Dixon, and I have never been burgled anywhere. Yeah, the locks on my house are pretty good, as is the alarm and the automatic floodlight which comes on during darkness if anyone approaches my front door.
Q.E.D. :aok
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Originally posted by beet1e
Indeed. Many people feel safer if they have a gun to hand, but the stats tell a different story. The US police are armed to the teeth, and yet about 70 are slain each year in the line of duty. In Britain, beat cops are unarmed (though that is changing slowly) and in most years none is killed. Hmmm.
Lazs! You've been burgled at your house in Dixon, and I have never been burgled anywhere. Yeah, the locks on my house are pretty good, as is the alarm and the automatic floodlight which comes on during darkness if anyone approaches my front door.
Q.E.D. :aok
Your numbers seem to be a bit out of date Beet1e and the rate in the US is declining.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/leok.htm#leokweap
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I have never been burgaled while I was home beetle... something most of my countrymen can say but not so many of yours. If you go by per capita of course. Sooo... it would seem you are taking a big chance and getting lucky. living in the right areas helps but you are much more likely to have burglars break in while you are home if yu live in england than if you do in the U.S.
lazs
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Originally posted by AKIron
Your numbers seem to be a bit out of date Beet1e and the rate in the US is declining.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/leok.htm#leokweap
Thanks for pointing that out. Good to see a downward trend in those figures.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I have never been burgaled while I was home beetle... something most of my countrymen can say but not so many of yours. If you go by per capita of course. Sooo... it would seem you are taking a big chance and getting lucky. living in the right areas helps but you are much more likely to have burglars break in while you are home if yu live in england than if you do in the U.S.
lazs
Twice as likely perhaps? Two times nothing is still nothing. I've never been burgled when I was in or out. Not sure what this "big chance" is that I'm taking, and I don't know about "lucky". Two houses in my road were burgled in the last year. In both cases the burglars entered garages that had been left unlocked, and stole cars and other property. I don't think they got into the houses in either case. I keep my garage locked at all times.
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so you had two burglarys near you and you don't consider yourself lucky and that your chances are ..... "nothing"? Oh well..
That's an ok way to live. One shouldn't fear things that are part of life. I am just saying that per capita... you are much more likely to to have a burglar enter your home when it is occupied than I am. I don't really fear that but I like firearms and having one close by is an old habit that I am comfortable with.
I have lived in the same house that I built in 1980. I had one burglary by my daughters friends while I was at work. I had one attempted theft of gas from one of my vehicles. I walked up to him with a 1917 45 acp Smith revolver... The confrontation went well because of this I believe. I asked him to leave. he complied and left his tools and gas can. Tools weren't much... just the normal stuff for destroying a dash board to get to a stereo.
In the States... if someone breaks into your house while you are there... he is probably whacked out... either on drugs or burnt out on drugs.. He is friggin dangerous... he is not the civilized 'workingman" burglar of england where they are simply an unrecognized union.
but.... How many of you guys bought maks? they really are pretty neat. I don't know if the source will dry up or not but they are qulality firearms. I believe this is about the same kinda deal as back in the sixties when Walther p38's were selling surplus for $25.
azs
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Originally posted by lazs2
but.... How many of you guys bought maks? they really are pretty neat. I don't know if the source will dry up or not but they are qulality firearms. I believe this is about the same kinda deal as back in the sixties when Walther p38's were selling surplus for $25.
azs
Going to a gunshow that's here on 17-18 Apr, may see one there. Definitely going to buy a Beretta 92F, not sure which finish though.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Our summer house/cabin was broken into once when we were not there. The "burglars" broke a window to gain access, and had a party. They drank some of the wine and liquor and ate some of the food in the freezer. Before they left they tidied up the place and cleaned the dishes, then covered the broken window with a plastic bag. This was about 10-15 years ago.
LOL
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well put sclotz... I would agree. if I lived in a whitebread state that was open only to norweigens I would not feel the need either. Some of our states are pretty much all white people with neatherlads ancestry like the dakotas... very little crime. others border third world country's like mexico and canada (just kidding mexico)...
If your country became more attractive to immigrants or more immigrant friendly and you had a large influx of 3rd worlders who did not speack your language... in some places say 50% do you think that you might want to rethink your firearms policy?
I like that we have so many different peoples here. I am not naive tho and realize that some are not bright or criminal or sociopaths or all three at once... we have gangs...
I am happy with my country.. I like the freedom and vibrant economy but I know it comes at a price and that if I want to be defended it is best to do it myself and not rely on others. Not a problem for me.
lazs
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Originally posted by GScholz
I really like the silver finish on the Beretta. It enhances those nice curves and details of the gun. Other pistols I prefer in black or blue. Don't you agree? :)
I was gonna get the black finish but my brother has about persuaded me to get the silver because it will look new longer. I like them both.
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Here's my baby. I'll take her out this weekend. It looks as she was never used before so I got a virgin. :lol
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/DSC01461.JPG)
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Thanks a lot guys. You've just reminded me that I haven't been to a range in a while. :)
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Here's my new toy. And no, I haven't cleaned it since my son and I put a couple hundred rounds through it at the range yesterday.
(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/92fs.jpg)
If I can find some cheaper ammo I'm gonna look for one of those Makarov's at the gun show Saturday.
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AKIron,
I was going to suggest that you get the beretta but in .40 cal., not 9mm, but I see I'm too late. The weapon is heavy enough to absorb the extra recoil but it will have a lot more stopping power. The gun is essentially identical in .40 and 9mm except for the size of the rounds it can carry.
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Orig, I'm planning on getting a Glock but haven't decided on the caliber. Which would you recommend between the .40 and .45?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Considering a Beretta 9MM for my first purchase. Comments?
(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/beretta9mm.jpg)
i carried one in the army, i dont like it at all. its not a bad gun but i perfer .45 over anything
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russian... was it a bulgarian? circle 10 near the serial number... Was it covered in cosmoline? Looks like you have bought wolf ammo.
I wouldn't buy a full sized pistol in 9mm. The 40 is probly the best round out there for most people for semi autos. I like 45 for full sized autos and 32 or (now) 9.2x18 for the blowback small autos.
I really like revolvers tho.. my cut down 44 mag is perfect. My Kimber 45 is reliable with a decent round tho and it is very flat and accurate. good nite sights.
lazs
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My youngest son (just turned 21) has fired a pistol less than a half dozen times. However, he has a steady hand and was getting a pretty tight group with my Beretta at 15 yards. We also rented a Glock 9mm as I am thinking on buying one. He was noticeably less accurate with it than the Beretta. My grouping was about the same with both weapons but not as tight as his group with either. Why do you think? The Glock is much lighter and so has more recoil, maybe he was anticipating this?
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I think you should look into a 40. I think you will outgrow the 9mm's if past experiance is any indication. At 21 your son probly has a lot better eyes than you do. My son is 34 and I have to really strain to outshoot him... on clay birds he slaughters me. He is large but probly more recoil conscious than me... he used to like 9mm but now has a sprigfield a1 in .45 that he loves. He thinks my 44's are neat but a little stiff in the recoil.
everyone wants semi autos but.. I still believe a good .357 is a better choice for most people. It can shoot a wide range of ammo and is more accurate than any but the most expensive semi autos at close range (15 yards) and much more accurate than even the best at 50 yards. It can shoot 38 specials at 750 fps that you won't hardly feel go off or .357's at allmost 1500 fps. that will kill a bear.
even if you get a semi auto later you will not have outgrown the revolver... For me... I have simply substituted 44 mags for .357 mags. both .45 and .44 use large pistol primers for one thing.
for my Walther ppk in .32 and my Makarovs... I use factory ammo that I buy by the 1000. The 45's and 44's I reload and they are very easy calibers to reload for.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
russian... was it a bulgarian? circle 10 near the serial number... Was it covered in cosmoline? Looks like you have bought wolf ammo.
I wouldn't buy a full sized pistol in 9mm. The 40 is probly the best round out there for most people for semi autos. I like 45 for full sized autos and 32 or (now) 9.2x18 for the blowback small autos.
I really like revolvers tho.. my cut down 44 mag is perfect. My Kimber 45 is reliable with a decent round tho and it is very flat and accurate. good nite sights.
lazs
Yes, it is bulgarian. What is cosmoline? It was covered in what it looked like factory grease for long storage. I haven't check year this one made in. I'll do that today.
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maybe that sounded a little "know it all" didn't mean it to come out that way but I have a lot of years with handguns and I made some expensive mistakes...
The 9mm ammo is cheap... If I wanted to keep a 9mm it would be because it had historical significance... Maybe a Walther P38 or another luger even tho the luger is one crappy design... it is fun to watch tho and intricate enough to facinate. Both the p38 and luger have the front sight on the barrel.. this makes them very accurate IMO.
40 ammo is dirt cheap now too by the 1000.. not much difference between it an9mm price wise
go to ammoman.com to see. 45 is no longer cheap so I reload... 44 mag never was but I like my reloads a lot better than factory stuff in any case except for hydroshocks for anti personnel.
lazs
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russian... yes, the grease is cosmoline a common preservative.. hard to get off.. I used paint thinner followed by aerosol brake cleaner and then coated everything inside and out with breakfree clp. the year of manufacture is the first two numbers of the serial with 1960 added to em.... 26=1986 say. don't ask me why.
iron... the maks are blowback and only slightly less powerful than the 9mm or 9x19. At 15 yards it may outshoot the beretta or the glock.. it is half the size.
lazs
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Originally posted by AKIron
Considering a Beretta 9MM for my first purchase. Comments?
(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/beretta9mm.jpg)
Little to fat to want to carry. I'd much rather carry a 1911 (which I do everyday).
If you are going to go with the beretta atleast get it in a 40s&w...
Much hotter rnd for carry and in my opinion when it comes to a carry gun, Bigger is better in regards to caliber.
Most of the cops that come in out 2 stores all carry a 40S&W of some sort. Most carry SIGs, others use Glocks. Both are excellent guns.
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I've gotten my wife interested and gonna sign her up for a basic handgun class soon. That should make it much easier to justify adding a few guns to my collection. :)
Thanks for the tips all. And Lazs, you've convinced me on the Mak, gonna try to find one tomorrow at the show.
Already bought a Beretta 92FS Morpheus, I like it.
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cool... I've had several. I am a 45 guy... Its tough to sway me when it comes that.
Though when someone comes in one of our stores asking which is better I never give opinions. I show them the good and bad of everything they are looking at and let them make a decision.
Here is what I've carry every single day. It never leaves my side.
You dont need anything more than this IMHO.
(http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v156/ststang2/100_0344.jpg)
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
cool... I've had several. I am a 45 guy... Its tough to sway me when it comes that.
Though when someone comes in one of our stores asking which is better I never give opinions. I show them the good and bad of everything they are looking at and let them make a decision.
Here is what I've carry every single day. It never leaves my side.
You dont need anything more than this IMHO.
(http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v156/ststang2/100_0344.jpg)
beautiful gun. i have a stainless custom. you mention that one of your stores...are you listed on the internet? im always browsing for guns.
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hehe, the custom is a nice gun... My brother wants to get one but he is a revolver kid... I like revolvers though I dont carry them. I've just gotten to use to carrying a Gov't that anything else feels, weird..
I have quite a few 1911's. This to me, is perfect for carry. Cheap, rugged, a "who cares if i ding it up" gun... I have a few kimbers, of which all I have carried at one point or another but to me, nothing beats this 360 dollar hunk of iron. But the best of the best of the best are the pre-war 1911's (pre-WW1) I live for the days when a customer brings one into the store that was in his or hers fathers basement for years wrapped up in a greasy old cloth and wants to see it...
This last one I bought, had 3 orininal mags, 2 in the original mag pouch, lanyard strap, shoulder holster that was used to carry the gun on horse back. All three of the mags were filled with nasty old dirty ammo... I love it! The guy brought it into the store in a nasty old shoe box... Imagine my excitement.:D
As for our website. Well we have 2 stores now. New England Outfitters, and the other is Cubeta's Field & Stream. We are working on a website. We had a "front page" up but when i just went to check out the link to post it here it was down. Either that or my father changed the link and I dont know about it...
New England has several ranges working right now, others are still in construction. Right now we have four 21 lane pistol ranges, 1 Pistol range that is used by Police Dept's only. Also in the works is a 100yard indoor rifle range. The rifle range will only be 3 lanes, but can handle up to 50BMG. Also there, is an archery range.
Cubeta's is out latest investment. We baught them out and took over about a year ago. I am sorry we don't have a website up yet. I have been nagging for ages now it seems about how bad we need one but no one listens to lil old me:( The guy working on it... Or so he says, is taking FOREVER and I highly doubt it will ever be done... By him anyways.
Right now we are doing a TON of bissness with gunbroker.com They have everything and anything that has to do with gun and knives and even archery and fishing. Tho, the last three I think you are better off with ebay to search for... GB'r is very easy to use and buy through and for the most part everyone is honest. But like they say... Never trust anyone as far as you can throw em...
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Originally posted by lazs2
russian... yes, the grease is cosmoline a common preservative.. hard to get off.. I used paint thinner followed by aerosol brake cleaner and then coated everything inside and out with breakfree clp. the year of manufacture is the first two numbers of the serial with 1960 added to em.... 26=1986 say. don't ask me why.
iron... the maks are blowback and only slightly less powerful than the 9mm or 9x19. At 15 yards it may outshoot the beretta or the glock.. it is half the size.
lazs
My baby is one year younger then me. (82). I took her to shooting range and I can get good grouping at 30ft. After more practice I'll get good grouping at 45ft. (max distance at range)
What year is your Mak?
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Mine are all 1986's.
morph.. I never feel undergunned with a 45 1911 but have had trouble years ago with em. I think ammo has improved ofer the last few decades as well as magazines... back when you could buy any colt 1911 (the only 1911 style available) for 75 bucks... they jammed a lot. not many people felt semi autos were reliable. I have the Kimber now and am very happy with it.. much more accurate than any other 1911 I havew ever shot including some high end customs that would only shoot 200 grain semi wadcutters (what a waste). It feed every type of ammo and every magazine I have every jammed into it. I trust it but...
I like revolvers.. If I have to carry I want somethng smaller. depends on the situation tho. I keep the kimber with me in the house... it has excellent night sights. It is a Kimber eclipse custom II
lazs
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Putting off my visit to the gun show until tomorrow. Hoping I can find of those there.
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Picked up a new Glock 21 at the show. Saw a few of the Makarovs but none for less than $179.
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Just gettin' ready for the zombies GScholz. ;)
Think the Glock finished off my gun budget for the next few months. I have been looking at the 1911s though. There are so many brands and prices that I won't buy one until I've had a chance to study them more.
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went to my brothers house and shot yesterday. I only brought the commie gun and my 4" Ruger redhawk in 44mag (cut down from 7 1/2") My brother had his uncut redhawk and we killed a lot of paper and wood and clay. Great time and I only had to clean 2 guns when I got home.
I like 1911's ok but... I have never liked on as much as the Kimber I bought. It's expensive but so is ammo. over the years it doesn't make sense to have a gun you don't like.
lazs
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yes... and I have shot many of the good ones. I am simply saying that the Kimber is the best deal out of the box. I have this reaffirmed every time I shot a different 1911. My son bought a springfield... it has a couple of little minor problems but I would have been very happy with it if I hadn't shot the Kimber.
lazs
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Lazs is correct about Kimber's being the best out of the box.
But anyway, I've heard that the Beretta's come apart really easily. Especially when it's not needed.
Any truth to this?
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I would say that a Wilson combat is superior to a lower priced Kimber but... oddly, the Wilson I shot was a $1,700 gun and it jammed with two of the magazines that shot fine in my Kimber... It felt good but I didn't like all the oversize and ambidexterious stuff and... the Kimber felt slimmer and better in my hand. They both shot good groups at 25 yards but the owner of the Wilson shot a better group with my Kimber. I couldn't tell much difference. The wilson seemed bigger and fatter to me. Mine is the lower priced Kimber.. the Eclipse custom... fixed night sights.
great bedside gun.
lazs
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Hey Laz 25yards or 25 feet?
At 75 feet my front blade almost always covers my target or a good portion of it that its hard to aim at any one precise point.
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With out question Kimbers are the best out of the box producion gun. As I mentioned I have a few and love them dearly. I have never seen anyone have a problem with them what so ever.
Wolf im almost certain lazs means 25yards.
AKIron if you are going to get into original 1911's learn and read everything you can. They arent as bad as winchester rifles which I collect also but still can be screwed with, re-blued or made out to be what they are not.
Alot of things changed over the years with the gov't contracted 1911's. Hammers, main spring housings, clips, sights, triggers and just about every external and some internal parts had a variant through out it history of production.
First thing I do when I pick up a 1911 and start looking at it, I pick it apart. Figure out what date it was made, then check to see if it has all of the right parts...
ALSO, get a book that tells you where all of the govn't contracted colts where shipped to. Some when to very important people, and all of them have papers from colt which you can get copies of saying so. If you get one that went to a important govn't official, it will be worth much more than one that was just crated up and shipped to the armory ect. Hope that makes sence.
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Appreciate the tip Morpheus.
Here's my new one:
(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/glock21.jpg)
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yes.. 25 yards is about the closest I bother to shoot at.
lazs
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Just back from the range where I fired 100 rnds. Didn't really notice the increased recoil between the Beretta 9MM and the Glock 45 until I relaxed my grip a bit. Then I certainly noticed it. I really like 'em both. Now I can shoot zombies with both hands at same time. Just gotta get that 90 degree tip down before I am truly kewl. ;)
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I am beggining to rethink my zombie philosophy... I am still a fan of handguns in 357, 44 or 45 or bigger but... the dawn of the dead zombies (and some of the section 8 local ones)are a new breed of athletic zombies and a head shot may be difficult..
My model 97 trench gun 12 guage shotgun would work very well on the fleet, nimble zombies.
The 44 might knock em off balance long enough to get the head shot if you hit em solidly in the torso tho.
lazs
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yep... only logical choice.. preferably open cylinder pump gun with extended magazine. double ought buck to assure one or two pellets to the brain pan of even the fleetest of zombies... the local section 8 zombies are rather sluggish and easy to pot with a handgun... the handgun is still king for portability and the the ability to keep hands free.
I bet the little 44 mag would knock em off balance tho.
lazs