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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Maverick on March 24, 2004, 09:01:38 PM
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This child was setup for this by his own people. I do not understand how anyone could sacrifice children for some "political" activity. These folks must be REALLY freaking brave to send children instead of going themselves. :mad:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20040325/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_young_bomber
It says quite a bit about these "militants". Pathetic excuses for humans.....
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sorry POS to take advatage of a kid like that. I hope his brother is corect, in saying the kid will tell the army all they want to know.
it's one thing to die for something you believe in, another all together to sit at home safe and talk a kid into doing it for you.
how come you never see the 40+ year old 'master-mind' strapping on the bomb. they always seem to come up with the bright idea, then talk a kid into doing it for them.
I've not exactly been following it closely but, have there ever been one of these suicide bombers, that was older than their late teens?
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and those FRS in san fransisco are saying "support the palestinains"
wtf is wrong with the world?
seems every media outlet is showing discontent with the current administration, and support for the poor souls of whatever 3rd world country has an uprising somewhere.
funked's post on chk6 linking to this and saying he's "boycotting SF" is spot on IMHO. that and any other arses who want to defend these terrorists.
funked's link (http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/)
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OMFG THAT IS A NEW WORLD LOW!
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This Is a BIG suprise to you guys?
Hell there the worlds biggist cowards.
:mad:
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Originally posted by Maverick
It says quite a bit about these "militants". Pathetic excuses for humans.....
Our media calls them "activists", and the attacks are called "explosions" if they are mentioned.
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I wonder if we'll see our Euro friends from AKCurly's post in this one today?
Doubt it...
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Further reason that the Israeli's should be allowed total free reign....
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Hello!
Because I might criticize Israeli tactics doesn't mean I condone suicide bombers.
After that short intermission, you can return to your comfortable balck and white world.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Hello!
Because I might criticize Israeli tactics doesn't mean I condone suicide bombers.
Yeah, they should just crawl under the table and hide.
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Yet another example of why finding a decent argument here is like trying to find a needle in a massive pile of straw men.
Thanks for trying.
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Israelis killed British folks during the British occupation of the region. Israel actively engaged in terrorist tactics against Western powers. Just thought you should know.
And a new submission for the "0wn3d" artists:
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040325/capt.kcf10303251305.mideast_israel_palestinians_kcf103.jpg)
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"He doesn't know anything, and he has the intelligence of a 12-year-old," said his brother, Hosni.
Wouldn't just about every big brother in the world say this?
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Not much difference between the 14 year old wearing the bomb and the 18 year old at the road block that was the target.
Either way it's a stupid conflict that neither side will win.
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Yep. And the hatred spawns from the refugee camps.
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040324/capt.sge.bdf04.240304210451.photo03.default-384x268.jpg)
Here's how the boy first appeared to the soldiers.
(http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040324/i/r2480647146.jpg)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yeah, they should just crawl under the table and hide.
Let's IDF unleash Hellfires on schools !!!!
Is this what you want to hear, Rip?
My real comment is just:
Sad, is a sad world a world where a child become a weapon....
...or a target.
:(
And we, that have the power of act, and stay on the sideline cheering for one or the other....
counting deads like points in a sport game.....
Enjoying killing footage...
Sick we are.
Do you hate him rip?
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040325/capt.sge.bke82.250304152737.photo00.default-291x384.jpg)
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Old men start wars, young men fight them.
It's almost always that way. Still, the suicide aspect of it is a bit different and disgusting.
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I wonder what the title of the article would have been had it been a single Israeli soldier, two years older, captured by a group of 'activists'.
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Funny how this kid is a "child", while some of the same folks are all in favor of executing a 16 year old as an adult when he commits a crime.
The DC sniper was just 1 year older.
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Old men start wars, young men fight them.
So true. Me thinks there wouldn't be as many wars if the old men had to fight their own battles.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Funny how this kid is a "child", while some of the same folks are all in favor of executing a 16 year old as an adult when he commits a crime.
The DC sniper was just 1 year older.
Your analysis is out there, not sure what you're trying to connect.
First off, the DC Sniper was not a sniper. He was a killer.(Police have a confession whereas is laughs about how he killed one woman)
Secondly, this "kid" has killed no one.
If you're trying to stretch this into hipocrasy, why not just include abortion in the debate? :rolleyes:
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Seems pretty clear Rip. If he is a "child" before he detonates the bomb, he is still a "child" (ok dead child) after. Unless the act of detonation confers maturity.
What follows is the hypocrisy of those who advocate killing a 16 or 17 year old murderer, but feel compassion for this "child".
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Originally posted by Toad
Old men start wars, young men fight them.
It's almost always that way. Still, the suicide aspect of it is a bit different and disgusting.
It is always that way. This war was started when the isrealis kicked millions of palistinians out of their homes. There needs to be a palistine state so the moderates will withdraw their support of the terrorists.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Your analysis is out there, not sure what you're trying to connect.
First off, the DC Sniper was not a sniper. He was a killer.(Police have a confession whereas is laughs about how he killed one woman)
Secondly, this "kid" has killed no one.
If you're trying to stretch this into hipocrasy, why not just include abortion in the debate? :rolleyes:
He laughed about killing the women because he has no comprehension of what he was doing. Did you at 17? Most kids that age feel life is just a big video game at that point.
He isnt just a killer, but also an idiot kid with alot of bad influences in his life. Putting children to death should not be something that this country does.
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Hats off to the Israeli troopers who didn't shoot first - don't think I'd have done the same 20 odd years ago....
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Hats off to the Israeli troopers who didn't shoot first - don't think I'd have done the same 20 odd years ago....
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
He laughed about killing the women because he has no comprehension of what he was doing. Did you at 17? Most kids that age feel life is just a big video game at that point.
He isnt just a killer, but also an idiot kid with alot of bad influences in his life. Putting children to death should not be something that this country does.
Liberal statements like that scare me. At 17 I knew it was wrong to murder. Why don't we just coddle the youngsters and the world will be alright.
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That poor freedom fighter didnt get to complete his glorious mission to serve alah. How dare the world criticize his age. If he is old enough to walk he's old enough to blow up a bus full of woman and children zionists. Have you all no pitty for his parents....they must be ashamed that he is such a world known failure now...not to mention the paycheck they'd get...OOPS they got sadam so no more money from him for suicide bombers.....but still.
:lol
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So your all for killing children. Good to know.
btw i dont think it is the right of the state to end one of its citizens lives no matter what. life in prison is far worse then death.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
That poor freedom fighter didnt get to complete his glorious mission to serve alah. How dare the world criticize his age. If he is old enough to walk he's old enough to blow up a bus full of woman and children zionists. Have you all no pitty for his parents....they must be ashamed that he is such a world known failure now...not to mention the paycheck they'd get...OOPS they got sadam so no more money from him for suicide bombers.....but still.
:lol
Its okay they get the majority of their money from the saudis. Who we will never go after.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
So your all for killing children. Good to know.
btw i dont think it is the right of the state to end one of its citizens lives no matter what. life in prison is far worse then death.
If that was aimed at me I think you should re-read what I wrote.
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Lemmee see here......... the difference.
Well, the DC murdering kid enjoyed and enthusiastically killed people. Multiple individual incidents of him murdering folks, taunting the police by telephone, expressing his delight with his work after he was caught, etc.
The potential Palestinian martyr kid quite OBVIOUSLY did NOT want to blow himself up and kill others in the process.
Now, it may be just me, but I see a HUGE difference there.
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OK, Toad.
What about the 14 year old who killed the neighbor kid while emulating professional wrestling? Or any 16 year old who robs a liquor store and goes to the State Pen in Florida instead of juvie.
Are they kids or are they adults?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
OK, Toad.
What about the 14 year old who killed the neighbor kid while emulating professional wrestling? Or any 16 year old who robs a liquor store and goes to the State Pen in Florida instead of juvie.
Are they kids or are they adults?
I think the parents must bear some responsability in these cases.
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Its not criminal to send your boys to die for you at 15 and patriotic to do it at 17. Fighting for survival you do what you have to do.
Thats Im sure how the Palistinians see it.
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It occurs to me that perhaps there is a hint of desperation in the Palestinian camp right now if they have to resort to children as suicide bombers. I always felt the the suicide bombing phenomenom had a finite life. No matter how radical the population there are always going to be a relatively few fanatics prepared to meet certain death. I think the Palestinians have all but used them up at this stage.
From a purely practical point of view if I was a terrorist leader I would consider it wasteful to use suicide bombers. It's a one hit wonder and the shock value is gone. Much better to use your terrorists on several missions. Despite the rhetoric most of these people want to fight their enemies and live to enjoy the victory.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
It occurs to me that perhaps there is a hint of desperation in the Palestinian camp right now if they have to resort to children as suicide bombers. I always felt the the suicide bombing phenomenom had a finite life. No matter how radical the population there are always going to be a relatively few fanatics prepared to meet certain death. I think the Palestinians have all but used them up at this stage.
From a purely practical point of view if I was a terrorist leader I would consider it wasteful to use suicide bombers. It's a one hit wonder and the shock value is gone. Much better to use your terrorists on several missions. Despite the rhetoric most of these people want to fight their enemies and live to enjoy the victory.
Maybe there are some people in the bay area who'd be willing to pick up the cause...
Mensa inductees on parade (http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-israel_pro-palestine/)
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The Palestinians will stop their pratice of self-detonation once they begin to love their children more than they hate Israelis.
One statement I saw from the brother was priceless. He wasn't pissed off that his younger brother was going to be blown to little bits and pieces, but rather was pissed off at "the people who sent him".
The reason? The IDF would have an easy time interrogating him and would name names.
Shouldn't an older brother be pissed off at the guys who sent his younger brother to death because...well....the guys sent him yo his death?
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I'm going dressed as a suicide bomber - the ultimate in" palestenian chic." Every once in a while I will take off my jacket, and yell "Allah Akbar!!!!!" Watching them run for their lives will be hillarious...
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Well he didnt explode so I think hes a smart kid. Non exploding childred should be preserved. Cough ***
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040325/capt.sge.bke82.250304152737.photo00.default-291x384.jpg)
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Originally posted by Pongo
Its not criminal to send your boys to die for you at 15 and patriotic to do it at 17. Fighting for survival you do what you have to do.
Thats Im sure how the Palistinians see it.
Yes, and make sure you discount diplomatic routes while you're blowing up children at bus stops. Whatever happened to those peace talks anyway? Oh yeah, asking for complete anniliation of the Jews in the Mid East wouldn't work too well at the bargaining table, would it? Well, that might be acceptable *for you*.
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I love how everyone can sit around and discuss these issues, taking the humanity away from the people involved. Both sides are being swayed by people who try and stay as far away from the front lines as possible. The Palestinians hide behind civilians and their PLO and Hamas armies, the other behind their armed guards and state army. The sad fact is, 90% of the people doing the killing, don't want to be there.
I don't blame people for talking about the issue, we all do it. I just don't like to see a whole group of people's right to life washed away so easily by people. Your average palestinian doesn't want to kill the jews, they just want to live in peace and have a happy life, just like the rest of us. Far too often the fate of so many are decided by the actions of so few. (I'm not sure who said that, but I'm 99.99% sure I didn't make it up just now.)
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Originally posted by Munkii
Your average palestinian doesn't want to kill the jews, they just want to live in peace and have a happy life, just like the rest of us. Far too often the fate of so many are decided by the actions of so few. (I'm not sure who said that, but I'm 99.99% sure I didn't make it up just now.)
Huh, well I must have misunderstood the celebration of the WTC falling in the streets of Gaza strip. I'm sure they were celebrating the martyrs that died.
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correct me if im wrong rip, but that video they were playing on fox news was old tapes. Fox later apologized for it.
And it still did not represent 90 percent of the palistinians.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Huh, well I must have misunderstood the celebration of the WTC falling in the streets of Gaza strip. I'm sure they were celebrating the martyrs that died.
Exactly, and everyone of the War protesters represents your viewpoint on the war in Iraq. Damn the Bush admin for going to war when it was obviously not your viewpoint because hundreds of thousands of protestor's were out in the street's with signs. Way to go, proud you stand up against the Satan Boosh administration Rip. :aok
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
correct me if im wrong rip, but that video they were playing on fox news was old tapes. Fox later apologized for it.
And it still did not represent 90 percent of the palistinians.
LOL, source, link please :)
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
correct me if im wrong rip, but that video they were playing on fox news was old tapes. Fox later apologized for it.
And it still did not represent 90 percent of the palistinians.
and i'm sure if these actually existed they'd be selling in droves
(http://www.glumbert.com/pictures/images/jihadjoe.jpg)
cmon...look at who they martyr....suicide bombers that kill woman and children simply because they are jews....do they denounce these killings..no they praise them....do they turn in there planners..no they protect them.
palestinians are loved by eurotrash because they are the underdogs....if israel wanted them to cease to exist they definitly have the power to do so.
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Some people continue to see right and wrong as zero sum game: If one side is obvioulsy odious in one regard then this must mean the other side is better by the same amount. Life doesn't work that way mate.
In this conflict, as in many others, both sides have done awful things.
Many Europeans believe that the Palestinians have the right to self determination just like everyone else. Many Europeans also believe that taking Palestinian land by Isreal both now and in the past is wrong. That doesn't mean that they condone the terrorists.
Many americans support Irish nationalism in Northern Ireland. Doing so doesn't mean they support the Omagh bombers.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
palestinians are loved by eurotrash because they are the underdogs....
Yes, everybody has the same prejudicial, superficial and primary perception of the world as you do.
They couldn't possibly think that the Palestinians do have some rights as well, though these never seem to be recognized, let alone respected.
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"eurotrash"
clever gunslinger....got any more? :D
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Hats off to the Israeli troopers who didn't shoot first - don't think I'd have done the same 20 odd years ago....
I was surprised too, with the fear/hate atmosphere that have to be there, i tought that the boy could have been "detonated" by an huge amount of "accelerated flying lead", instead of this really human treatment.
In this case, I've got the impression that there's still hope....
there's still hope.
WTG IDF soldiers at that check point.
:)
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MT a kid who kills "playing" WWF and a kid who kills (or wounds or just robs) during a liquor store hold-up?
You can't see a difference there either? Look at the intent, fer pete's sake.
The "wrestler" didn't intend to kill did he?
Clearly, the robber willfully intended to break the law.
Again, the difference seems pretty clear to me.
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Originally posted by Nilsen10
"eurotrash"
clever gunslinger....got any more? :D
Yup...I'm full of it...errr them! ;)