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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: texace on March 26, 2004, 12:11:53 AM
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Abortion Protest makes UNT News (http://www.ntdaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/03/25/40627b5c22290)
I was interviewed for this. My story is in the paper. If you don't know who I am...just ask. Everyone has their opinion...and I know many people will make it known here. I'm not proud...I'm not happy...
I wanted to explain my recent funk...these are the best words I have. I'm sorry you guys...
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Oh, I thought this was about 4th and 26.
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Originally posted by Steve
Oh, I thought this was about 4th and 26.
:lol
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Steve, if you only had a clue...
"Aaron Giles, Lake Worth freshman, has also had experience with abortion: He supported his girlfriend when she got one. They planned to have the baby and get married, but things changed after doctors told her that, due to the speed of the baby's development and her size, there was a great chance of the death of the baby or mother or both."
A decision of that magnitude should really hit home for anyone attempting to limit your rights - maybe not convert anyone, but definitely open the tables for discussion. What can you do? You're stuck. No doubt this is going to stick with you your whole life. What could be done was done and thats all you can say. Maybe I don't know the whole story, but don't let some demonstration bring you down. Others, myself included, cannot comprehend the situation til we've been through it - you're absolutely right.
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Steve, if you only had a clue...
You do not have a clue what I do and do not have a clue about.
4th and 26... still hurts.
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Thanks, Oct. If I get time, I'll tell the story.
Steve, no, 4th and 26 does not hurt. Right now, such things are trivial...
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all people do not feel pain over the same things.
I do not feel your pain, but sympathize nonetheless.
for me, 4th and 26 still hurts.
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I think I can relate Tex. My wife is a carrier of duchenne muscular dystrophy, it's the worst kind, most do not live past twenty years of age. It's a very cruel disease. Right after a conception there is a test, first to see if it's a male or female(females do not get duchenne). If it's a boy there is another test to determine if he has the disease. We had made the choice not to bring someone into the world with the disease. Some people may not agree with that, but we feel in our hearts it is the right choice. And I am happy that we at least have the choice, not government telling us what that choice should be. Sometimes hard decisions are made, and they are not easy to do, but you do what you feel in your heart is the right thing to do. Sorry if my post offended you, I was just trying to lighten up the mood.
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My ex-wife had an abortion while we were married.
Thats all fine and dandy exept i did not know about it!
She lied to the DRs and told them she was single.
So now im 46 and will never have a child.
waite a minute I did have a child once.
You see where im going with this.
It may be a womans right to choose.
But at what point do the fathers of these babies have a say so?
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Originally posted by Octavius
What could be done was done and thats all you can say. Maybe I don't know the whole story, but don't let some demonstration bring you down. Others, myself included, cannot comprehend the situation til we've been through it - you're absolutely right.
I agree with Octavius.
Times like these it's best to keep your person center and don't let opinion of others effect that. You know you're a good person and the decision you made needed to be made.
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For me, the only thing I can do is talk about it. Unfortunatly, due to the lack of maturity and decency among her classmates, I was running out of people to talk to. I was called everything under the sun you could imagine, and though I tried to not let it bother me after so long it wears you down.
My girlfrind and I were planning on getting married. We were ready for it, too. I had everything worked out and set up. I was prepared, and so was she. We decided that was what we wanted. It was not an accidental pregnancy, and we made a mutual decision about it. But after about two and a half months, she wasn't feeling too well, worse off than the normal symptoms. Doctors told her that due to the speed of development and her size (she's not a large woman), there was a good cahnce that she or they both could die before delivery.
It's a hard choice. I left it up to her and supported her all the way through. But everyone had to critisize...they wanted me dead. I recieved death threats...had my car pelted with footballs or rocks...had my house TPs and garage door spraypainted. I was Public Enemy No. 1 in my home town. It's things like that that make me wonder about it still.
I know that this isn't the best place to post something like this, especially on a personal level like this. But I had to take it somewhere, and I thought it best to talk to my friends I've made online about it. At least here, I know I can talk to at least somebody if I need to.
I don't want a pity party, if anyone here is thinking that. For one, I wanted to explain my recent funk, and two as I said, to talk to someone. I'm sorry if some of you don't like it...and if I'm asked I'll ask Skuzzy to remove the thread.
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The simple fact that this bothers you tells me that you will make a wonderful parent someday. Time is the salve that heals. You will be OK.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The simple fact that this bothers you tells me that you will make a wonderful parent someday. Time is the salve that heals. You will be OK.
I'll second this post. Give yourself time. You won't foget, but it will get better. Life is all about choices and growing from them. You're on your way, look forward to what is ahead, don't dwell on what is behind.
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Now I remember why I don't like abortion activists. No support, only hate.
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Originally posted by gofaster
Now I remember why I don't like abortion activists. No support, only hate.
I think you mean anti-abortists right?
there are some medical procedures, as need in Texaces case, which would be allowed even if abortion as we know it today would be outlawed as it should
you think the doc would stand by and watch the mother die?
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I am steadfastly against abortion, unless you want to have one.
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Originally posted by Eagler
I think you mean anti-abortists right?
there are some medical procedures, as need in Texaces case, which would be allowed even if abortion as we know it today would be outlawed as it should
you think the doc would stand by and watch the mother die?
I am sure a there would be plenty that would try to save the mother during childbirth, but by then it would be too late. If you outlaw all abortion their will be a black market for it. It is better that we are realistic about it.
Did the partial birth abortion ban allow for such things? I cannot remember.
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no, it would be determined earlier in the pregnacy just as it is now and measures up to termination of the pregnacy, would be performed in order to save the mothers life just as they are now
the other >+80% of the abortions would be illegal
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Originally posted by Eagler
I think you mean anti-abortists right?
Yeah.
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Texace, how is your girlfriend doing? Well, I hope? Generally I'm considered to be in the anti-abortion crowd because I think all life, even that of a fetus, is precious and should not be treated as an inconvenience. Having said that, I agree there are times when abortion is the lesser of the evil choices a doctor must make. Tex, you're a good man, and I pray (I'm a Believer) you and your girlfriend come out of this better and stronger people.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
I If you outlaw all abortion their will be a black market for it. It is better that we are realistic about it.
Just like when we outlawed all murder and yet there has still been a market for it. I guess we should not have outlawed murder...it makes no sense to outlaw it because people are going to do it anyway....right?
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
My ex-wife had an abortion while we were married.
Thats all fine and dandy exept i did not know about it!
She lied to the DRs and told them she was single.
So now im 46 and will never have a child.
waite a minute I did have a child once.
You see where im going with this.
It may be a womans right to choose.
But at what point do the fathers of these babies have a say so?
Your rights end at her skin...
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She is doing well, better than she was. Emotionally, though, we're both still not the same as we were beforehand.
I appreciate the support. I still wish there was something more I could have done, but at that point, I didn't have anything I could do. I had said that if there was only a slight chance, then I'd suggest going for it. But the docs told me serious or definate, and at that point I left it up to her.
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I'm deeply sorry for your tragedies, and I only hope I could be half the man you are faced with the same situation.:(
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Originally posted by Silat
Your rights end at her skin...
Well unfoutunatly you are right.
I see a huge problem with that.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Well unfoutunatly you are right.
I see a huge problem with that.
If it concerns her body, and her well-being, then your say-so in the matter is strictly for tourists. I'm not a liberal. I'm not a democrat, but I firmly believe that a woman should make the choice. All you did was relieve yourself into her. She has to take the burden from there in on.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
If it concerns her body, and her well-being, then your say-so in the matter is strictly for tourists. I'm not a liberal. I'm not a democrat, but I firmly believe that a woman should make the choice. All you did was relieve yourself into her. She has to take the burden from there in on.
You seem to forget that she did not create that life by herself!
Therefore the man should have some rights in the matter.
And if there married even more so.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
You seem to forget that she did not create that life by herself!
Therefore the man should have some rights in the matter.
And if there married even more so.
Okay, since you're about to educate me, why don't you start by telling me exactly what you did above and beyond relieving yourself into her? Whether it be by accident or by your choice? And what bearing does this relieving have on your life for the next nine months... we're not even discussing the rest of your mortal existance.
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Well You should have learned this in sex ed LOL.
Buit here goes.
Her egg Is worthless without my little swimmers agreed.
And for the most part in America MEN do most of the supporting of the families provides there home there food there education exspenses.
So I think the man does have something to do with the child.
And I would like you to tell all the fathers here how there only contribution to there children was relieving them selves inside there mothers.
Most men Atleast Most REAL men take a very active part in rasing of there kids incuding the 1am feedind chitty diapers and all.
So yes just as GOD planes it creating and rasing a child Is best done by a MAN and a woman.
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I'm am very firm in my stance against 'abortion on demand'.
but I can't imagine any but the most rabid political types who would want to interfere in the decision you and your girlfriend faced. the situation is hard enough without any outsiders trying to lay some sort of fluffied up judgement on your decision.
all I can say is I really regret your loss, I can't imagine your pain.
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Politics have played a major role in why I feel like I do now. The emotion pain stems not only from the guilt I feel, but also from the shots and jabs by people that know. I asked one person who wanted her to keep the child what would have happened if she had died during delivery?
They said, "It doesn't matter, the child would be ok."
I second guess myself every day. I don't know why, but I do.
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I'm sorry tex.
take care.
Ravs
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Originally posted by texace
They said, "It doesn't matter, the child would be ok."
Thats a pretty sick and petty comment.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
My ex-wife had an abortion while we were married.
Thats all fine and dandy exept i did not know about it!
She lied to the DRs and told them she was single.
So now im 46 and will never have a child.
waite a minute I did have a child once.
You see where im going with this.
It may be a womans right to choose.
But at what point do the fathers of these babies have a say so?
What if it wasn't yours?
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
You seem to forget that she did not create that life by herself!
Therefore the man should have some rights in the matter.
And if there married even more so.
Shoulda... woulda...
The man will have what ever rights the mother allows. Another reason to find a good woman.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
What if it wasn't yours?
Say hi to your wife and my kids will ya LOL.
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Originally posted by texace
They said, "It doesn't matter, the child would be ok."
Thats the statement of an imature mind.
Pay it no mind .
In your case you did what you had to do to preserve the life of you girlfriend.
Wich in any sain persons mind was the RIGHT thing to do.
Sorry for your pain.
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sry to hear that tex :(
Im not religious in any sense of the word (actually, at all!) and i give a rat's bellybutton about gringo political /ideological parties or whatchamacallit ;) :D
My stand is simple. If the couple are pregnant and there is nothing endangering the life of either mother or child, then abortion in that case is murder. To abort just because the child is an inconvenience is inexcusable. I wonder if castration was to be a requirement of abortion, would abortion to get rid of the 'inconvenience' be popular? *snip* *snip* and its all kosher.
If the child or mother are threatened, or if its the result of a rape or if there is a detected crippling genetic issue... then its a case of TRIAGE. And the mother IS the one that has to make the choice in such a case. A very hard choice :(
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Originally posted by texace
She is doing well, better than she was. Emotionally, though, we're both still not the same as we were beforehand.
I appreciate the support. I still wish there was something more I could have done, but at that point, I didn't have anything I could do. I had said that if there was only a slight chance, then I'd suggest going for it. But the docs told me serious or definate, and at that point I left it up to her.
You'll get through this. Both of you. You'll have more kids. One couldn't make it to this world, but there will be others who will.
It's normal you feel the pain of a lost kid. Shows you're a good man. If you had no bad feelings about it then you won't be a normal being ,IMHO.
But there will be a day when you'll look at your sons and love them even more because you know you lost one a long time ago, and because you know what is such a loss...even while the son still wasn't in this world.
Be strong, go ahead and try not getting stuck in the past. What happened, happened...you can't change it.
I don't know you too much, but know that you have all my support from here, Texace. And for your GF too, I'm sure she felt and feels way worse than you about this, no matter how bad do you feel. Be strong for her, I'm sure she needs it...
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Guys, thank you. I appreciate it. Knowing I've got supports means a lot.
:)
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Texace ignore the idiots (on this bbs or the ones you deal with in real life). Your girlfiend and you took the only viable course available to you. I'm very sorry that you and your girlfriend had to experience this tradegy and wish both of you the best in the future.
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My new wife Is 47.
The heath risk are too great fro her.
And the risk for a downs syndrom baby are very high at her age.
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Originally posted by texace
Politics have played a major role in why I feel like I do now. The emotion pain stems not only from the guilt I feel, but also from the shots and jabs by people that know. I asked one person who wanted her to keep the child what would have happened if she had died during delivery?
They said, "It doesn't matter, the child would be ok."
I second guess myself every day. I don't know why, but I do.
tex
as you know, I am against abortion, mainly because it is used as birth control today. I am not against it when it is the viable option to save the mothers life.
In your case, I'd made the same decision. And I bet if ur "friends" were in the same boat, they'd done likewise.
hope the wound heals fast for the both of you
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silat said.. "Your rights end at her skin..."
does that mean that your responsibilities end at her skin also? I mean.... if it's soley her baby then she should be the sole person to care for it right?
lazs
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Say hi to your wife and my kids will ya LOL.
You have no idea how funny that line is.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You have no idea how funny that line is.
Well it was meant to be a joke MT did not mean anything by it.
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Originally posted by lazs2
silat said.. "Your rights end at her skin..."
does that mean that your responsibilities end at her skin also? I mean.... if it's soley her baby then she should be the sole person to care for it right?
lazs
Very good point:eek: