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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: beet1e on March 26, 2004, 01:56:13 PM
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Just curious. There are as many reasons to play this game as there are people playing it. Some play for score, some play to win the war, some like 1v1 fights, some like jabo and base capture, some like CV ops etc. Different skills are involved in each activity. But nearly all of us fly fighter planes every tour. So how good are we, and how good do we want to be? At one end of the scale, we have the pork-n-auger guys. They could learn all their skills at the Al Qa'eda Academy of Flight! Take offs and landings. Oh wait, they don't even do landings. :lol At the other end of the scale there are the fighter jocks. No name dropping or hero worship, but these are the guys who fine tune their sticks and make sure everything's dead right, practise in the DA, try their hand in duelling ladders...
And then there's the rest of us. On a scale of 0 to 10 Pork-n-Auger represents no ambition ie 0, and DA/duelling ladder enthusiasts have plenty so they get 10. How do you rate your ambition? Note - not the same thing as skill.
I'll go first then. I enjoy CV ops, USN planes and jabo - plus of course the combat arising out of attempts to capture/defend bases. But I'm not much good in T&B planes and never really fly them. The F6F is about the best turner I ever fly. That and a goon. I rarely visit the DA. I have never been interested in duelling ladders.
The good thing about AH stats/scores is that there are so many ways to analyse how you're doing. I just try to keep as good a k/d as possible, and land all kills. That's about it. I give myself about a 6 on the ambition scale. Maybe a little either way. I'm happy to get by.
Now it's your turn! Where are you on the 0 <---> 10 scale of AH fighter pilot ambition?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Now it's your turn! Where are you on the 0 <---> 10 scale of AH fighter pilot ambition?
I'm often at 0 and 10 at the same instant.
My only ambition is : killing that red things that fly and crawl and next make the inconless things explode :)
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i like it all to include a good gv fight so ill say 5
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I play to fight! Tho I die all of the time and still suck.
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5
i dont like duelling, i have no idea how my stick setup works and i get vulched a lot.
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7 maybe
I'm nerd enough to know the weak spots of all the planes (like la7s wep doesn't work above 8k) and do mentally analyze ACM and screw ups I make. Occasionally I'll even head to the DA with hotshots like Urchin, Lazerus, Nomak and "study" merges or overshoot stuff.
If I was really dedicated I'd fly smarter though, grab much more alt etc.. I can't resist upping an almost vulched field in a g10 with 25 gas though, hence I'll never be a 10 on tha scale.... If I get abve 10k on climbout my ADD kicks in and I'm looking for a snack.
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I'm not sure if you by ambition means how we would LIKE our skill to be on a 0-10 scale, or how strong our ambition is to get better than our current skill?
Everyone wants to be a 10 in skill (if you didn't have to work for it), so the first one is pretty irrelevant, but if we are talking about the latter, I've pretty much accepted my skill-level, and it hasn't changed much since the first "beginner-boom" in the time after I started AH.
I'm not trying out new planes, not reading about ACMs or studying my own or others films to find out what went wrong. My skill varies by the amount of time I spend in CT/MA (SA seems to be the one thing lacking most after a break from flying), but I don't fly in the DA or TA to keep myself sharp.
If I did all those things, I'm sure I could gain a bit more skill, but it would be too little compared to the work I would have to put into it and there still would be someone better out there anyway.
I have been part of the ladder in the past, so I can't deny some ambition, but overall I would give myself a low 3.
"If something is hard to do, it aint worth doing" Homer Simpson
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probably 10.....which is why i get so pissed off when i cant do it :)
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When I first began flight sims, I could have cared less about being a proficient fighter jock :) I only cared about getting off the ground with a mouse.
As the years went by it slowly progressed from buffer to strictly JABO then on to strictly fighters. Nowadays I think I've transcended the 'flow' of things... or I've evolved beyond the traditional flight sim guages. Now, I fight, I JABO, I buff occasionally... I do whatever I feel like at the time. I'll do it all.
But as to beetle's scale.... I'll put myself at a 6, maybe 7. It changes from week to week.
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I'm probably average for AH, spent waaay too much money on video cards, $100 dollar joy sticks and pedals, books and far, far too much time playing a variety of online flight sims....
Kill more than I die, get the odd 7-8 kill run - normailly in something with lots of ammo - not that good at acm but can manage the basics, do have good sa and am a good shot after lots of practice.
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My intensity & the risk levels I fly at are dynamically controlled by my k:d. I like to keep it around 2.0 so if I'm doing better than that I'll take the jug down lower and dogfight more with it knowing it'll drop by pushing myself into a harder situation, if it starts dropping too much I'll make a high sortie at the edge of a dweeb train & pick off 5 to 10 to bring it back up.
No idea where that would put me on beet1es ambition scale, cause I'm really tring to push myselfy getting kills at a disadvantage in the first case & setting myself up a favorable comfort zone to increase kill count in the second case. But I'll have no qualms about getting up midflight to grab another beer when it's emtpy in either case, how ambitious is that?
Lately I'm doing a lot less jabo & buff runs and a lot more buff hunting. Planes of choice are big american iron , jug & hog, I rarely fly axis crap.
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I think im on the 9-10 Level..
I have participated in all the dueling ladders that have ever been created, been in ALMOST every King of the Hill competition, have participated in Wild Wednsday back when it was around.. And i generally like the DA. I may not have the necessary tools, such as Rudder pedals, or even a good computer, but i like to succeed, even in this virtual world.
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10
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I came to this game with a history of a waneing 9-10 in an older sim. Taking the time to learn and understand the dynamics and technic of what goes on in a fight is part of it. Another part is practice, practice, practice, so that what you do is no longer 'in reaction to', but an 'automatic next-step'. I dont feel compelled to do the latter, so I guess that would put me around a 5 :)
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4
Mainly fly LW and p47s....mebbe a la7 when i get bored........
:aok
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I take issue with the scoring system!!
Pork-n-Auger guys are NOT fighter pilots!! They are bomber pilots that are too lazy to figure out how the bombsight works!! :D
A REAL (well, virtually real anway :)) fighter pilot would never dive through a cloud of enemy fighters to drop a bomb, shoot a couple of acks and die. Manly men don't carry bombs :D.
Oh, based on the scoring system (minus the PnA tag), I am a 0. I could care less about how good I am. I fly for fun...not for ego.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
I fly for fun...not for ego.
Some peoples fun involves killing other people..
:D
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I can confirm:
Wilbus is a 10.
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i refuse to be pegged on a scale that can in no way truly reflect my greatness.
:D
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id say im in the 9-10 level <
> 38maw
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Originally posted by Shane
i refuse to be pegged on a scale that can in no way truly reflect my greatness.
You think you've got problems simply by participating in this thread? My greatness is pegged simply by playing AH and visiting this board!
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As far as amibition goes....
I started out playing this game with ambition level 10.
That value has decreased steadily as my actual skill level has increased, I suppose in negative proportion.
Not sure where exactly I am now....
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well yesterday I decided to revert back to my ol' Air Warrior days.....A hunting I will go
look around saw many red darbars...but they where small
then I saw some REAL big red darbars on Furball island....
proceeded to up my PONY and go fight ROOKS and NITS....
landed 15....other 9
still 10 on that damn scale:rofl
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Originally posted by SLO
still 10 on that damn scale:rofl
i call BS... let's go to the DA and see if you rate that 10.
:D
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see a red plane... go kill it. the red planes have people controling them... the toolsheds and such are just Ai... like a boxed game.
If you kill one of the red planes that started out with an advantage over you it is more fun than killing one that never sees you. If he never sees you then he is worse than Ai to kill.
It's all. pretty simple really.
lazs
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Hmmm personal ratings, talk about baiting the hook beet lol:D
We'll I agree the Pork an Auger types should not even be considered.
If you have dropped a bomb and hit the ground at the same time, if you have dropped a bomb and ran like a biotch or if you didn't even get your bombs off cause you were shot by the ack with in the last three tours, then no you don't even rate.:D
But I do include the guys that come in, drop a hanger, barracks or ack leave the rest of the base alone and fight.
So ambition:
Do you mean fly safely at 20k or above, dive on some unsuspecting individual only to have the whole fight take place between 5 and 10 k anyway, types; or the ones when you reverse on them once, they climb back up onto their perch and wait for you to get tangled up below them with one of their countryman, or the ones that blow the merge and run back to their field, get more fuel, climb back to 20k dive on you again blow the merge run, but get caught and die types?
Because I don't think we should count them either. They have no ambition to get any better fighting.
Otherwise, they would tangle it up, take some risks, push the envelope of both pilot and plane. And in the end, in the only time and place in the world or history, of this type of engagement would they live with the outcome.:D
Possible Endings....
So, when I run into you at 10k or below beet, where the fight is, I'll let you know.
Nahh too much beating my chest and mystery lol :lol .
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If thats what you mean by ambition then, my ambition is a 10+, but i'm still working on the skill part:D
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Rhut Rho Rhaggy, here comes another rhunner. It's ok Scoob. Give me a few of those Scooby snaks and we'll catch him and shoot his prettythang down. Ok Rhaggy Rhets Rho. [Shot down runner]If it wasn't for those dam medleing kids I would have run all the way back to my base so the AI ack could shoot em down.
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I am the best person in the world, this game exists to prove it to all the ignorant dolts.
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Originally posted by Shane
i call BS... let's go to the DA and see if you rate that 10.
Shane, you are disqualified, as more than 65% of your kills in tour 49 were in the P51/LA7/Spit ix EasyMode™ subset. In order to have ambition, you need to seek a challenge. And there's no challenge in getting lots of kills in the P51/LA7/Spitix subset. :D:D <-- Look, Mum - fresh bait!
Mars, I could not unravel your dissertation. All I know is that the first and only time I met you it was below 10K and I killed you. But, come to think of it, it didn't need much ambition at all. :lol
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ahhhh but you've failed to take into account *how* planes are flown by those who fly them...
wanna duel la7 vs say..... any plane of your choice?
i'll even spot you 6k alt.
crank that ambition up, son.
:D
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I play this game for laughs, cheap thrills and as a study of the history that I love. If I had fighter pilot ambition I would have joined the USAF.
eskimo
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My ambition is having fun. In that sense, I'm a 10. Anything less, and I wouldn't bother playing.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Right now 0. Things have kept me away and from playing much lately, and I'm not missing it as much as I thought I would. Swarm of bees starts high, gets low, higher bees come in and kill the lower bees which makes them low and invites higher bees. It looks like a food processor from a distance.
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Originally posted by Shane
ahhhh but you've failed to take into account *how* planes are flown by those who fly them...
Erm...no - I kill the Big 3 EasyMode™ subset far more than they kill me. Last tour (49) was a particularly good Lalafest - 35/4 against LA7. And 33/4 against Spit ix. 20/11 against P51 (needs work). And all without flying the Big3 (or any variants) myself. I think I take account of how LA7s are flown just fine. :p
As for the DA, my ego/ambition don't stretch that far. :lol
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we already know how *you* fly.
i'm giving you a setup you should easily best me in. what have you got to lose?
c'mon, don't be a limpwristed limey.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Shane
we already know how *you* fly.
Works for me! :D
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Originally posted by lazs2
see a red plane... go kill it.
It's all. pretty simple really.
Agreed. I like kill red plane. :D
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
My ambition is having fun. In that sense, I'm a 10. Anything less, and I wouldn't bother playing.
-- Todd/Leviathn
exactly......:cool:
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Mars, I could not unravel your dissertation.
You don't have to tell me your comprehension skills are as bad as your SA, I know.:aok
All I know is that the first and only time I met you it was below 10K and I killed you. But, come to think of it, it didn't need much ambition at all
Total BS, you mean I was below 10k and you were well above. You dove in from your perch as usual, with the advantage. I was waiting to see when you would throw that crap out like it was some great kill. It was not and the fact that you think it was tells me you really aren't that good. The best part about it was I threw you a and you didn't even have the decency to return it. Again you showed alot about the guy you are. ;)
In order to have ambition, you need to seek a challenge.
And how does sitting up on your perch, or hitting undefended bases challenge you Beet? Maybe you should change your thoughts on this one because you are the one that is excluded with that reasoning. :rofl
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Well Mars, I'm flattered that you remember me killing you! You'd think that one death would be overshadowed by all the others. :lol
Nothing wrong with my comprehension. But from you we haveYou dove in from your perch as usual, with the advantage.
I had no idea you were there. I shoot cons where I find them - is all. But then you saidAnd how does sitting up on your perch, or hitting undefended bases challenge you Beet?
which is incongruous with what you said earlier. If you were there, how can the base have been "undefended"? Or are you referring to the status quo immediately after your untimely demise? :lol
As for me always flying from a perch with an advantage, this is a myth which has entered AH folklore! I fly the USN planes, mainly F4U1D. Its climb rate is worse than P51,Spitix,LA7,109, 190, TYPH(?) In short, the F4U climbs worse than most of the planes I'm likely to run into. If I relied on being on a perch, do you think I would fly planes that climb like dogs - F4U, P47?
I often take off alone and find trouble! Looky looky at this pic. In the visual area I am surrounded by FOUR enemy P51 - all higher, better turning, better climbing, faster than my F4U. My right aileron had already been shot off when I was afk. There was also a 190A5. I killed one of these P51 and the 190, and made it back to the CV...
... where I cocked up the landing - LOL
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/f4udisadv1.jpg)
Sorry if I didn't return your . But you know what they say in real pilot circles - aviate, navigate, communicate. I can only think that there was another con that needed to be killed. :D
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Wow Beet,
Your comp is very bad. It's not hard to remember because it was so typical of the MA. You came in high and were cherry picking everyone.
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You dove in from your perch as usual, with the advantage.
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I had no idea you were there. I shoot cons where I find them - is all.
What does it matter weather you knew it was me or not. Has no bearing on my point at all, which was you were cherry picking in an F4U and dove in from your perch.
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And how does sitting up on your perch, or hitting undefended bases challenge you Beet?
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which is incongruous with what you said earlier. If you were there, how can the base have been "undefended"? Or are you referring to the status quo immediately after your untimely demise?
LOL what a maroon:lol If I have to tell you what 'OR' means we have bigger problems.
I know it takes a while for you but read it again slowly "Sitting on your perch OR hitting undefended bases.":rofl
Again explanation for the slow. I am talking about how you fly in general now, not the specific incident. Notice the use of a totally different paragraph. You do know what a paragraph is dont you:lol .
Give me a break, "Because I fly the F4U I can't climb":rofl what a crock, you dove in from 15k or better in our engagement so that is total BS.
LOL and the pick must be after you've blown your advantage. lol :D
Now blowing the landing, I've been there lol :aok
Sorry if I didn't return your . But you know what they say in real pilot circles - aviate, navigate, communicate. I can only think that there was another con that needed to be killed.
Yeah you probably were overwhelmed up there on your perch lolh:rofl
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Hmmm, I read books on WW2 Fighter Combat and Tactics, I employ those tactics to the best of my ability, and endeavor to improve within the framework of those tactics. That is 'my game' and I have no ambition to best others at 'their game', my only goal is to be successfull at 'my game'. I guess I'd be a 6 or a 7 ambition.
I view AH MA as I would a deer hunting excursion. The thrill for me, is the hunt. The kill is just a successfull culmination of the hunt. Hunting humans is far more interesting than hunting the lower animals ;)
Zazen
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Mars,
Your account is a complete fabrication. Post the film. You were my first kill, so how would you know if I was "cherrypicking everyone", given that you didn't live to see what happened next?
Oh yeah, and thanks for the English lesson, Professor...What does it matter weather you knew it was me or not.
Erm... that would be whether. "Weather" is wind, clouds etc. I should stick to the small words if I were you - like "Or" :lol
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I actually remember this particular Mars/Beet encounter... I was there.
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yeah beet you dove on one guy, missed climbed back up on your perch, then dove on me.
Oh and sorry about the misspelling, I'm at work so alot of things going on. I didn't know you were the almighty proofreader. You need a job pal.
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hmmm....well, I have "almost" achieved a 1:1 K/D ratio against C47's! (well, only in the uber planes)
:p
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Normally I'm happy to let people pound on Beet1e. It's not that I don't like the guy, I actually do. It's just that since he is completely devoid of the ability to acknowledge when he has erred, I'm hesitant to pipe in even when he is right.
However, in this case Mars, I recall the encounter as follows: I had been all the way over your base(past the main fight which was out over th ewater about half a sector from your base) and got forced out by a well flown lower enemy. I couldn't get a bead on him after a couple of long minutes and eventually a high la7 wandered in and I was low on fuel... time to go. Might have even been you in the low plane.. 109? Anyway, the low bogie hung tough and w/ the high la7coming I headed home, over the water.
Beet was coming into the fray as I was trying to extract myself from the area.
There were multiple layers to this fight from the deck up to over say... 15k including at least one high enemy 262.
Beet1e and I were at about 8k. You were coming out of your base and you were lower... 4-5 k? You had a friendly near you and at about your alt. I dove down and popped your countryman, expending the last of my ammo. As I pulled up/around a high 262 and a tiffie (I think it was a tiffie.. might have been a 190) came into the area from the direction I was trying to egress to. Beet then dove on you and got you. I called to Beet about the high bogies as they attacked us. Beet either got booted or killed because after managing to evade the tiffie I ended up being the only friendly in the immediate area. Beet either got clipped or booted.
So it's true that Beet1e had alt/E on you.. there is no doubt. OTOH it wasn't much of a perch that he was on (all things considered). While he delighted over Vox his kill of you, his celebration was cut short, whether by boot or tater guns I cannot say.
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Well then Beet,
You have my apologies, thanks for setting it strait Steve.
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I'll pipe in for Beet...
We have run into eachother as opponents in AH.
He gave me the best I have ever received during my time here. Note that I didn't even kill him for that , he really went out of his way just to be nice. This kind of thing isn't too common.
Now you all may get back to throwing smack back and forth.
I commented on his MA conduct, not BBS habits.
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Well thank you, Jodgi and Steve! Yes, I'm always ready with an
for when someone kills me - which is often - lol. Steve, thanks for chiming in. My own recollection was jolted. I knew I wasn't near the deck, but I knew I wasn't on any 20K perch. Takes too long in an F4U - lol. And I remember the multiple layers, but I can't even remember what Mars was flying. But if Steve was there and I was soon gone, I think it might have been the time I got the wrong end of a TYPH - thought I was in his 6 - found I was in his 12! Or maybe he reversed, I don't know.
Mars. No apology needed! :aok and <-- the one I owed you
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I love when we can all get along:D
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
I'm probably average for AH, spent waaay too much money on video cards, $100 dollar joy sticks and pedals, books and far, far too much time playing a variety of online flight sims....
Kill more than I die, get the odd 7-8 kill run - normailly in something with lots of ammo - not that good at acm but can manage the basics, do have good sa and am a good shot after lots of practice.
this is supposed to describe the AVERAGE AH pilot???? :rofl Must be tongue-in-cheek.
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"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women"
(in case of these boards lamentation of the men too...)
:p
2 cents
DoctorYo
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I fly strictly for K/D, which is like a real pilot would do.
The scoring system is not set up to reward K/D per se, but to factor in other things. So to be a "Top Gun" in AH, you have to game the game.
I just hate getting shot down, it means I screwed something up. If you get on my 6 it is my fault, not my team mates for not giving me a check 6, if you HO me, it is my fault for not being aware of your intentions (SA), if ground ack gets me, it is my fault for flying low near ack. etc etc.
Basically if you fly smart, you are a hard target, fly dumb and you die dumb :)
So I fly for me, to satisfy my needs for what I consider fun. And as a AK, I fly Bish, which means your side is usually on the defensive, not good for K/D.
If you fly Bish, my call sign is AKff, if you fly any other county, !
N have fun, after all it is a game :)
AKFokerFoder+
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I fly strictly for K/D, which is like a real pilot would do.
The scoring system is not set up to reward K/D per se, but to factor in other things. So to be a "Top Gun" in AH, you have to game the game.
I just hate getting shot down, it means I screwed something up. If you get on my 6 it is my fault, not my team mates for not giving me a check 6, if you HO me, it is my fault for not being aware of your intentions (SA), if ground ack gets me, it is my fault for flying low near ack. etc etc.
Basically if you fly smart, you are a hard target, fly dumb and you die dumb :)
So I fly for me, to satisfy my needs for what I consider fun. And as a AK, I fly Bish, which means your side is usually on the defensive, not good for K/D.
If you fly Bish, my call sign is AKff, if you fly any other county, !
N have fun, after all it is a game :)
AKFokerFoder+
Lol, I think I found my evil alter-ego in Bishland... Couldn't have said it better myself AKff. <>
Zazen
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>> Lol, I think I found my evil alter-ego in Bishland
Zazen, I see that you are not far from Buddahood ;)
Nirvana is just around the corner :D
S!
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I consider myself a 4 cus I run like a Swedish highschoolgirl.... err I mean well I run ... not that I like to see them run see well I run whenever I see an La7 get in my midst escorted by a wall of spits andponies that my 190A8 doesn't seem too kind to them see?
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OMG Zazen is posting with one of his shade accounts to himself, god help us:D
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real fighter pilots were bored most of the time.
I don't want to imitate that.
lazs
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I'm sure they just couldnt wait to engage as many cons as possible..
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a lot of them couldn't but... what does that have to do with playing a game? I am not here to pretend to be a fighter pilot. I am here to have fun. To me... lack of action means lack of fun when you are playing on a computer.
Real pilots contended with a lot of things besides combat that we don't... they also had more stimulation... just taking off and landing was risking your life.
Since the only real stimulation we get is the combat then I want as much as possible.
lazs
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I don't know about bored. I think most of the pilots were faeces scared a lot of the time.
WildThing! I listened to the song using the link in your sig. You're right. I did ruin it. :lol But I don't recognise the version. The only two I know are by the Troggs and Steppenwolf. Yours doesn't sound like either of those.
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Originally posted by beet1e
You think you've got problems simply by participating in this thread? My greatness is pegged simply by playing AH and visiting this board!
wonder if Shane is going to be slowed down when he gets a job and starts getting laid on a regular basis....
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
this is supposed to describe the AVERAGE AH pilot???? :rofl Must be tongue-in-cheek.
well there seem to be an awful lot of people who kill me on a regular basis
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Originally posted by beet1e
WildThing! I listened to the song using the link in your sig. You're right. I did ruin it. :lol But I don't recognise the version. The only two I know are by the Troggs and Steppenwolf. Yours doesn't sound like either of those.
Well the original is by the Troggs.. But the one in my sig isnt, not quite sure what that version is :D