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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mister Fork on March 26, 2004, 03:52:22 PM
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La-7's runing your day? Spitfires buzzing you like flys? The Combat Theatre has the setup for you!
England/France, March 1943
While America deals with the east threat of Japan, her bomber squadrons are making a dent in France and Germany. Hitler has cancelled any attempts to land in England, and with the help of Rommel he's shoring up the coast line defences. Nighttime bombing raid are now common place. British fighter squadrons are adjusting to the new Luftwaffe Fw 190.
Allies
A-20
B-26
C-47
Lancaster
Boston
Spitfire IX
Spitfire V
Typhoon
P-47D-11
Panzer
M series
Ostie
Axis
Ju-88
Ju-87
Ju-52 (C-47)
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
C.205 (exchange squadron)
Bf 110G-2
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190F-8
Panzer
Tiger (France Only)
M series
Arena Settings
Fuel: 1.2
Dar: Historical
Resupply: 10 minutes
AAA: 40 mins
FH/BH/VH: 30 mins
Buildings/Town: 40 mins
Evening: 6:30pm
Morning: 5:45am
Come enjoy this historical setup in the Combat Theatre. Just a click under the main arena login.
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"Dar: Historical"
What does that mean?
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-9/48257/20029211530-0-Swoop.gif)
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That means reduced range from the MA, 3.0 for enema Cons and I forget what it is for friendly Cons and dots, but its less than the MA.
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Nighttime bombing raid are now common place.
Is this mostly night?
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All you will see is...
Spit..Spit...Spit...Spit...Sp it...Spit...Spit...Spit...Spi t...Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit ...Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit. ..Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit.. .Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit... Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit...S pit...Spit...Spit...Spit...Sp it...Spit...Spit...Spit...Spi t...Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit ...Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit. ..Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit.. .Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit... Spit
And then more than occasional ...Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit. ..Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit.. .Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit... Spit...Spit...Spit...Spit...S pit...Spit...Spit
Enjoy
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LOL Ikon...
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I enjoy the CT. Interesting matchups, and the chance to get away from LA7 opportunists, Spit dweebs and P51 cherrypickers. I kill all those in the MA far more than they kill me. And they are indeed the three planes that die the most in the entire game. I see two reasons for this -
- There are far more P51/LA7/Spit than any other plane.
- Many of them are flown by idiots in an attempt to overcome their own lack of skill. (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/jester.gif)
So yes, I agree. The CT is a much better place to learn, and much more interesting in some ways. People whine that "there is only a limited choice of planes". But to my mind, that makes the CT MORE interesting, not less. People have to fly with lesser planes and learn how to fly them.
Folks think that having all the planes available all the time, as in the MA, means "more choice". But the actual result is that it's day after day of the same-ole-same-ole, as Mr. Fork has observed.
The Big 3 get trashed: List of planes sorted by # of deaths
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/stat01.jpg)
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Originally posted by Grits
That means reduced range from the MA, 3.0 for enema Cons and I forget what it is for friendly Cons and dots, but its less than the MA.
Icon range has naff all to do with radar.
Now.
What is the tower based radar range?
What is the sector counter range?
Do we have full friendly radar?
Do we have tower based enemy radar?
What is the radar alt?
What is the sector counter alt?
In fact, hell, just tell me the radar mode code and I'll go look it up.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-9/48257/20029211530-0-Swoop.gif)
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Originally posted by beet1e
I enjoy the CT. Interesting matchups, and the chance to get away from LA7 opportunists, Spit dweebs and P51 cherrypickers.
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Folks think that having all the planes available all the time, as in the MA, means "more choice". But the actual result is that it's day after day of the same-ole-same-ole, as Mr. Fork has observed.
So, with this CT setup there will not be Typoon and Fw cherrypickers? (not to mention the spit agricultural workers :D)
There is a flaw in your logic. People don't do the things you don't like because of the plane set. They do them because they believe that is the route to success.
Could you please explain for me how you arrived at your conclusion....limited choices means more choices?
SRI Beets...had to get up early this morning...I just felt the need to take it out on someone :D.
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Originally posted by beet1e
- There are far more P51/LA7/Spit than any other plane.
- Many of them are flown by idiots in an attempt to overcome their own lack of skill. [/B]
you should consider flying them.
:D
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Could you please explain for me how you arrived at your conclusion....limited choices means more choices?
Easy. In the MA, as Mr. Pork has observed, it's same-ole-same-ole. Wherever you go, you're going to see walls of Spits, LA7s, and ceilings of P51s. But in the CT, you can choose something else! Over an extended period of time, you will be able to choose other adversaries - ie not the same three all the time. A few weeks ago, it was F6F v N1K in the CT. Thus, I could have chosen to fly N1K in which case my adversary would have been F6F. Or, I could choose to fly F6F, in which case my adversary would be N1K. But in the MA, I don't get that choice. In the MA, my most likely adversaries will be P51/Spit ix/LA7 24/7 whether I'm Rook, Bish or Knit.
Earlier it had been 109F & 190A5 versus P47 & Hurr-2. Again, two sets of adversaries to choose between, not just one! And no opportunist interlopers!
Say what you like about my logic, NB. I'm just telling you why I like the CT. And I don't think I'm alone.
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So basicly if everyone flew early model planes in the MA this would be a "YOUR AFRAID OF TECHNOLOGY" thread right? Why constantly whine about what who flys?Pay there account and THEN you can tell people what to fly.Till then you really need to get over yourself Beet.People fly what they fly because it suits them.Doesnt make them no talent dweebs as some like to say.Its just there choice and LAST time I checked HT wasnt running a dictatorship.More like a day care at times.:lol
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Originally posted by Swoop
What is the tower based radar range?
What is the sector counter range?
Do we have full friendly radar?
Do we have tower based enemy radar?
What is the radar alt?
What is the sector counter alt?
I have no idea man, I just fly to the red guys and kill them. Is it really that important?
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Beets...
I had a nap and I'm feeling MUCH better now :).
Ok...I will say what I want about your logic...(again) it is flawed. Actually, what you describe is options limited by the limited plane set. If you have 2 plane choices and know that your opponents have 2 plane choices..... Compared to if you have 25 plane choices and you opponents have 25 plane choices........do the math. Less ain't more :). You stated..."Earlier it had been 109F & 190A5 versus P47 & Hurr-2. Again, two sets of adversaries to choose between, not just one! And no opportunist interlopers!
". How do you figure the possiblity of facing P51/Spit/La7 is "one" possible adversary? Perhaps I should be questioning your math skills and not your logic :D.
Beets, I don't know which CT arena you have been flying in, it obviously, isn't the same one I have flown in. My recent experiences in the CT have shown it to be a mini MA. Everything that everyone complains about in the MA is there. The difference... smaller numbers.
BTW, unlike Dea, I didn't see your post as a whine. I saw it as an honest opinion. I just didn't see it as a well thought out opinion :D.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
My recent experiences in the CT have shown it to be a mini MA. Everything that everyone complains about in the MA is there. The difference... smaller numbers.
you got that pretty much spot-on, except arena settings vary as well. oh, and it's not as rampant with the milkrunning or hordes. the smaller numbers *can* make for a different experience, tho'.
which is why i always say, "whine about the pilot, not the plane."
:)
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I concider it a tired whine.This horse gets beat by the same people every week.Its MABY an opinion the first time but after 2 going on 3 years of the same repetitive thing over and over and posted and reposted and reposted and reposted and reposted and REposted it gets kinda lame.Everyone has there stance on planes.Rehashing it weekly isnt going to change peoples rides.
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Calm down, DrDea! :p At no point in this thread did I whine about people flying the Big 3. At no point did I suggest they should fly something else. I think it's fair to say that many fly those to get a leg up. As Urchin once said: "There's a reason so many people fly the P51/LA7/Spit9, and we all know what that reason is". All I've done in this thread is to go along with Mr. Fork's suggestion to try a different flavour - the CT!
CT = mini MA? I had a good time in the MA a few months ago. Last time was not long ago. The match was F6F (us - plus we had something else I can't remember) v. Zeke & Ki61. It was evenly matched at first. But then the ki61 acquired a gangbang following. I had SIX of them chase me back to my base! Checked the roster - allies were outnumbered 15-7. And I remember thinking that if the only way for those ki61 guys to have fun was to gangbang in that way, they could do it without me.
NB - If you have 2 plane choices and know that your opponents have 2 plane choices..... Compared to if you have 25 plane choices and you opponents have 25 plane choices........do the math. Less ain't more .
Even if the enemy has 25 choices, 50 choices or (as in the MA) they have a full 70 choices of plane, you'll still find that most of 'em will fly the Big 3. Yes the CT might only offer 2 plane choices at any one time but over the course of different scenarios, MOST of the planes will have their day in the sun, and not just the same-ole-same-ole 3 planes. We might even get the choice one day to fly 109E against Spit 1a (or Spit 1a against 109E). Now you can sit there and assert that you can do that right now in the MA. To which I say Get Real! :rolleyes: In my whole time in AH I have never been killed by a 109E, and I have only ever been killed by a Spit1a twice. Why's that then? I can answer that by paraphrasing Urchin: There's a reason people don't fly the Spit1a/109E in the MA, and we all know what that reason is. So stop pretending you don't know what that reason is. The Spit1a/109E matchup is something you might well see in the CT. But in the MA? Forget it. Even if the MA were to be partitioned into different eras/plane types, the P51 seal clubbers would fly from one side of the map to the other to beat up those BoB planes. The concept was tried in Brand-W, and that's exactly what happened. BTW, unlike Dea, I didn't see your post as a whine. I saw it as an honest opinion. I just didn't see it as a well thought out opinion .
Good! It wasn't a whine. It was an opinion. My opinion, which clearly does not concur with yours. That does not make it any less valid or less well considered.
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To quote from Southpark,"Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble" Beet Im not bashing ya.It just this has been gone over to death right?I know alot of people talk in unfavorable terms about the "Big 3" and while they have a point,who wants to go into the huge furballs in a less than,lets say on par plane?Sure its fun to fly some of the older planes,but I would reserve that for when your not out numbered.Taking a knife to a gun fight isnt MY personal idea of fun on a regular basis.:rolleyes:
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No problem, DrDea. And you made my point for me when you said
Originally posted by DrDea
who wants to go into the huge furballs in a less than,lets say on par plane?Sure its fun to fly some of the older planes,but I would reserve that for when your not out numbered.Taking a knife to a gun fight isnt MY personal idea of fun on a regular basis.:rolleyes:
Indeed - a knife to a gun fight. And that's why the choice of flying an early war plane in the MA isn't really a choice at all (although it may well be a choice in the CT at some point). Some of them try though. That's why I have a 34/2 k/d against Spit 1a. Does that mean I am better than the Spit1a guys? No, of course not. There is one lesson that comes from those stats. And that is that anyone who says "it's the pilot, not the plane" is talking bollocks.
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Beets...
You seem to have missed my overriding point....relatively speaking, the CT has just as many "LA7 opportunists, Spit dweebs and P51 cherrypickers" as the MA. Using your assumtion (which is to imply that it doesn't), you make the statement that "The CT is a much better place to learn, and much more interesting".
Plane type has diddly to do with the things you find to be a problem in the MA....opportunists, dweebs and cherrypickers. There are ample quanities of both in the MA and the CT. Ergo (just hadda say that :D), because your base premise is flawed, your final statement is flawed.
Yah, I know I'm fulla bullpucky...but I'm having fun :)
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NB I never said that the CT doesn't have the opportunist/cherrypicker. The difference is that they don't usually have their P51/Spit9/LA7 crutch. And that is good - because they have to learn to fly something else, and because the lesser planes might have a chance against them. After their arses have been handed back for the nth time, it will be "Waaaaah - I want my P51/LA7/Spit ix!". - and off they wobble back to the MA. ;)
In the MA it's same-ole-same-ole - exactly as Mr. Fork suggests. But because many of those MA opportunists/cherrypickers rely on their Big 3 subset, they don't have a whiff of interest in the CT when, for example, it's F6F v N1K. Or 109F/190A5 v P47D11/Hurr2.
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GUSH this thread has turned from telling everbody about a good ct setup
now its been highjacked and turned into a plane dweeb thread
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To me, what's "same- ole-same-ole" is the constant denegrating of people based on the planes they choose to fly. Spit dweebs, Niki dweebs, Pony dweebs, 190 dweebs and LaLas....... Seems like just about everyone can be a dweeb unless they fly a 109, P41 or a Yak. And if those guys shoot someone down the "wrong way", they can be a dweeb too.
Which bring me to cherrypickers: I thougt the idea of air combat was to gain an advantage on your enemy and exploit it. I call it smart flying. Just wish I was better at it.
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Dood...you are still missing my point. Cherrypicking, vulching, being an opportunitist is NOT plane specific. Heck, I can do any of the thing you speak of in most any of the planes and so can anyone else. Put everyone in c202's and you will still have plenty of the same. The difference....you won't be able to blame it on the plane set :).
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Dood...you are still missing my point. Cherrypicking, vulching, being an opportunitist is NOT plane specific. Heck, I can do any of the thing you speak of in most any of the planes and so can anyone else. Put everyone in c202's and you will still have plenty of the same. The difference....you won't be able to blame it on the plane set :).
Nobaddy. I don't think you read my last post properly. Not be able to blame it on a plane set? Np. Most of the dweebs blame it on the map! :lol
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
La-7's runing your day? Spitfires buzzing you like flys? The Combat Theatre has the setup for you!
England/France, March 1943
While America deals with the east threat of Japan, her bomber squadrons are making a dent in France and Germany. Hitler has cancelled any attempts to land in England, and with the help of Rommel he's shoring up the coast line defences. Nighttime bombing raid are now common place. British fighter squadrons are adjusting to the new Luftwaffe Fw 190.
Allies
A-20
B-26
C-47
Lancaster
Boston
Spitfire IX
Spitfire V
Typhoon
P-47D-11
Panzer
M series
Ostie
Axis
Ju-88
Ju-87
Ju-52 (C-47)
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
C.205 (exchange squadron)
Bf 110G-2
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190F-8
Panzer
Tiger (France Only)
M series
Arena Settings
Fuel: 1.2
Dar: Historical
Resupply: 10 minutes
AAA: 40 mins
FH/BH/VH: 30 mins
Buildings/Town: 40 mins
Evening: 6:30pm
Morning: 5:45am
Come enjoy this historical setup in the Combat Theatre. Just a click under the main arena login.
Thanks for posting the advert for the CT, Forks. It seems it was very well received. I would have left out he part about the Spits buzzing you like flies in this instance since the set has them but ...
The CT is set up for historical/alternate-historical matches over more accurate terrains. Period. It's for players who don't want to fly in three sided, all planes enabled at all bases on all sides over fictional terrain setups such as the MA ... all the time.
If players are happy in the MA ... all the time ... I think that's great. If some MA players see this and decide to give the CT a try ... I think that's great. If players like flying just the (insert whatever plane type) and will only fly in the CT when it's there or won't fly there at all ... I think that's great. If players just like the CT and don't like the MA at all ... I think that's great. If players all hop over themselves to hump each other and pizz on each others pumps because they feel threatened by a post that they perceive as insulting because it promotes something other than what they like ... I think that's funny ... which is great. :D :aok
Carry on. "Big `ol <>"
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Boat, you forgot about 38dweebs. ;) :D :D
~S~
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i gave up on the CT because it is a mini main or even worse a DA
evertime i log on there is 2 bases and a furball going on and it goes on for hours the lack of teamwork in the CT makes the main more fun
and whenever you bomb the base you are a main porking dweeb thats what the CT thinks of people that try to play it as a war and not as a furball
the CT is to remake some of the battle's of WW2 and most of the time those battle's were about taking land and we do it by taking bases well if you try to take bases in the CT your a dweeb from the main
what makes the MAIN fun is that its like a huge war going on
but the CT players want a furball and thats what it has turned into
a furball with fun plane-set's thats the Combat Theater
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Originally posted by simshell
the CT is to remake some of the battle's of WW2 and most of the time those battle's were about taking land and we do it by taking bases well if you try to take bases in the CT your a dweeb from the main
Actually, you are wrong. Most battles represented in the CT are AIR battles and were largely one airforce trying to reduce the opposing airforce into ineffectiveness, or they were large scale bombing raids with escorting fighter support, both of which happen regularly in the CT. There are rarely any (Lybia last week was one) CT setups that are about taking land as you say.