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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SunTracker on March 30, 2004, 08:13:03 PM
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-03-28-afa-cadet_x.htm
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Originally posted by SunTracker
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-03-28-afa-cadet_x.htm
I guess that answers the question of what Voss has been up to.
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The ages of the AF academy cadets is 18-22.
MiniD
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Takes a real man to sodomize a girl in a wheelchair.
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Nay for US "Air Force"
Yay for US "Army Air Force"
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Mj was attending the academy at that time, I'll have to ask him about this guy.
I could say some things about the majority of the cadet rape charges that I've heard from friends who were female cadets, but I'm not one to fan flames. (this case is a strange one though, I will have to investigate) If I ask around enough, I'm sure I'll find someone here who was in the same squad as the guy or knew him. That's the beauty of the AETC, most of the guys/gals here graduated from that place within the past couple of years and all seem to know each other.
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NM
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Two months later, on Dec. 28, 2001, he was arrested in Los Angeles for the attack on a woman in a wheelchair, whom he allegedly approached via Internet instant messaging.
That's a new low. :mad:
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Originally posted by gofaster
That's a new low. :mad:
RGR that gofaster I would like 5 minutes with this terd.
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I guess that answers the question of what Voss has been up to.
LOLH:rofl
This guys is a real prettythanghole. Typical Armed Services responses too. Total BS.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
RGR that gofaster I would like 5 minutes with this terd.
Would you be in a wheel chair? Cause that would be funny.
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Saw an Oprah show on the subject. Quite sad to see all those women raped and then punished by the system of the AFA once more.
Awful PR for the military.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Takes a real man to sodomize a girl in a wheelchair.
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Do you still have to get a recomendation from your senator to get into the service academies?
If so I wonder what Senator signed off on this guy?
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Originally posted by Mini D
Would you be in a wheel chair? Cause that would be funny.
Yeah I will stay in a wheelchair as a handycap for the punk seeing as he seems to need that.
And I will still cripple his arse for life.
I mean does this not make anyone else mad as hell.
He raped a girl that was confined to a wheelchair for Gods sake.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Takes a real man to sodomize a girl in a wheelchair.
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Seriously... real men rape women who can walk. This guy is a just a loser.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Yeah I will stay in a wheelchair as a handycap for the punk seeing as he seems to need that.
And I will still cripple his arse for life.
Blowhard
I mean does this not make anyone else mad as hell.
He raped a girl that was confined to a wheelchair for Gods sake.
What is supposed to make me mad as hell... that he raped someone, that the person was in a wheel chair, or that he is in the federal pen because of it?
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
What is supposed to make me mad as hell... that he raped someone, that the person was in a wheel chair, or that he is in the federal pen because of it?
MiniD
How bout the first two .
And were was it said that he was in federal prison?
Oh how bout being mad because he was a waste of tax payers dollars for being allowed to go to the AFA in the first place.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
How bout the first two .
How about thinking you're perverse for fantasizing about beating someone for this.
And were was it said that he was in federal prison?
I thought you said you were in the military. Where do you think someone sentanced to 2 years would go? "the brig"?
But it's OK. Take someone's rape and turn it into an excuse to talk tough. It makes you look like more of a man. And right now you're needing to look like more of a man.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
How about thinking you're perverse for fantasizing about beating someone for this. I thought you said you were in the military. Where do you think someone sentanced to 2 years would go? "the brig"?
But it's OK. Take someone's rape and turn it into an excuse to talk tough. It makes you look like more of a man. And right now you're needing to look like more of a man.
MiniD
At what point in your life did you get your arse whooped so bad that you had to turn to bein an internete tough guy?
Was he convicted?
Indeed was he even brought to justice.
And As I was inllisted not commissioned I am not sure but are cadets in the military.
As to say are have they accepted a commission in the air force?
If so then yes he would go to FT levan worth kansas for a very uncomfortable stay.
I always thought that you did not get commissioned untill graduation from the academy but I might be wrong.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
At what point in your life did you get your arse whooped so bad that you had to turn to bein an internete tough guy?
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I could use one!
Got beef jerky? I popcorn is alwats getting stuck in my teeth.
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
At what point in your life did you get your arse whooped so bad that you had to turn to bein an internete tough guy?
You'd almost think I had just bragged on how I'd be able to cripple someone even if I were limited to doing it from a wheel chair. Eh tough guy?Was he convicted?
Indeed was he even brought to justice.
Read the article.And As I was inllisted not commissioned I am not sure but are cadets in the military.
As to say are have they accepted a commission in the air force?
Are you familiar with the term "court martial" mrblack? Have you known this to be anything other than a military term?If so then yes he would go to FT levan worth kansas for a very uncomfortable stay.
You have a gift for pointing out things that were just pointed out to you. If you took the time to even read the information provided before leaping into blind fits of anger induced fantasies of vengeance you'd be able to see these things for yourself.I always thought that you did not get commissioned untill graduation from the academy but I might be wrong.
Can I take this to mean you don't really know what you're talking about? But hell... if they need an excecutioner you're they're man.
MiniD
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And as far as talking tough about some jerk that raped a girl in a wheelchair.
What would you have done ? Ask him how good was it?
I simply stated what would do in that case and I stand by it.
I dont like bullies or rapist and yes I for one would love to spend some "quality" time with one of them.
Now If you think I am just talkin smack then you are just anothe fool who sits in aninimity and can resorte to name calling when someone whit a pair of balls stands up for the little guy or gal in this case.
I have been arrested for assualt 4 times convicted of none.
Have I had my arse kicked ? LOL you bet
many times by the big and small LOL even by a stipper once.
As a junior high student i had by butt kicked daily buy the high school guys.
So i developed the personality that said NO MORE.
And buy the time I was in High School I was feared buy most.
Now maby I did not have many friends but you know what ? I never got my arse kicked again either.
I have devoted the majority of my life ito become someone who can and WILL survive a fight.
So as someone who has been on the losing side of fights and someone who has been the victor I will say It Is best to avoid fights in general.
But I have a strong sense of honor and integrity and I will defend it if attacked.
This I am sure has caused many of you to not like me much LOL.
But I really am beyond worring if complete strangers like me or not:lol
But those who do know me know that I am the real deal and I am as loyal as they come when it comes to friendship.
But don't take my word for it come meet me at the con share a drink with me.
And if after talking to me you still think im full "o"chit
I will be able to respect you for your opinions as you will have has the INTEGRITY to say it to my face.
to you all.
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I am too afraid to call you a homo-erotic violent dillusionist any more. You scare me.
MiniD
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
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No just the loud mouth punks.
Any takers?
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Sorry big boy, your not my type.
There are some 12 year olds up here though.... well they may be older now.
:D
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Originally posted by Mini D
I am too afraid to call you a homo-erotic violent dillusionist any more. You scare me.
MiniD
LOL well you dont scare me .
Indeed your just a smartmouth internet wisearse punk boy.
A cleansing of the soul ala right hook might be in order.
But I am sure you dont run your head like this in person to people.
The funny part is I do:aok
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You're pretty damn funny mrblack. Did you ever have a conversation that didn't end with you threatening or trying to intimidate someone? Some would call that an inferiority complex brought on by feelings of inadequacy. They'd definately attribute your fantasies of violence and vengeance as blatant repression of homosexual tendancies. But that's just them.
I fear you too much to say it myself. Cause you scare me.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Thud
Saw an Oprah show on the subject. Quite sad to see all those women raped and then punished by the system of the AFA once more.
Awful PR for the military.
If it was on Oprah then it must be true. Why bother with trial? Get a rope.
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Originally posted by Mini D
You're pretty damn funny mrblack. Did you ever have a conversation that didn't end with you threatening or trying to intimidate someone? Some would call that an inferiority complex brought on by feelings of inadequacy. They'd definately attribute your fantasies of violence and vengeance as blatant repression of homosexual tendancies. But that's just them.
I fear you too much to say it myself. Cause you scare me.
MiniD
Thank you DR Phil
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Originally posted by AKIron
If it was on Oprah then it must be true. Why bother with trial? Get a rope.
It might not be necessary to get all defensive when you're not even attacked...
Where did I refer to punishment or even the offenders?
So please read a post before you 'dignify' it with a response.
Now please continue to explain that all these women are liars, promiscuous and that the grade system as used by the AFA is excellent and that women don't belong there...
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Originally posted by Thud
Where did I refer to punishment or even the offenders?
So please read a post before you 'dignify' it with a response.
"Saw an Oprah show on the subject. Quite sad to see all those women raped and then punished by the system of the AFA once more."
Are you saying you weren't condemning anyone here? Sure sounds like you've judged the Air Force Academy to me. BTW, on Oprah no one is sworn to tell the truth.
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Ohhh boy, I should really just keep my mouth shut here because I hate arguments, but I've spoken to far too many female Academy grads to stay quiet.
Actually, you know what. While you all are busy fighting about this, I'll go speak to a 2002 grad (female) who's a good friend of mine and have her post over here. If she posts, ask her anything you want about this stuff, she's well informed on what was going on in those days. I'm not saying this exact case didn't happen, in fact it sounds pretty bad for the male cadet involved, but don't go throwing around jaded media information about how all these women cadets were raped. I'm sick of the Academy getting a bad name. 99.999% of the student body don't deserve this kind of slander.
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Originally posted by AKIron
"Saw an Oprah show on the subject. Quite sad to see all those women raped and then punished by the system of the AFA once more."
Are you saying you weren't condemning anyone here? Sure sounds like you've judged the Air Force Academy to me. BTW, on Oprah no one is sworn to tell the truth.
That is not a judgment, it is a fact that they were punished by the AFA. Whether that was a grave injustice or a simple disciplinary action is up for debate.
Ergo, if and only if they were raped than it is indeed sad that they were punished again, hardly a condemning pov, right?
Good night
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If they were raped and then punished I agree, that is a bad thing and those responsible for the act as well as the cover up should be punished. However, I wouldn't believe everything I saw on Oprah if I were you.
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Okay everyone, I'm a genuine Academy female Graduate (that Athena3 mentioned) who was in the same squadron as the guy in the article. Yes, he was a sleazebag and deserves everything he gets, but there was a flip side to this the media is not to eager to get out because it shows that one of the girls is lying. See the following thread and article (from another Air force Academy graduate forum): http://www.edodo.org/rumormill/viewtopic.php?t=3065
As for the girls on the Oprah show, do not let their tears fool you. I knew some of them and they were full of it. Some are genuinely real stories, with real trauma, but there are some that are girls making it all up.
Case 1: The article in the thread i posted. The real creepy thing is that she thought she looked good in that photo she sent him
Case 2: A friend of mine got his good name drug over the coals and through the mud by a female freshman who has gotten herself into so much trouble that the only way for her to NOT get a DISHONORABLE discharge was for her to play the assault card and get "pardoned" from it all. I knew the gir and the guy. They guy was a good person and was able to recover, despite being kicked out of the Academy for the whole mess anyways. The girl...well, she was a potato. I remember her telling me, "I want to marry [boyfriend's name], but I want to sleep with alot more guys before I do." The guy was pardoned on the basis that this girl was found guilty elsewhere of perjury, and she ran off scott free anyways and he got the boot.
Case 3: Another cadet in my class got accused of rape by a female cadet who claimed he took advantage of her while she was drunk. Of course, the part of the story that makes her look bad is the fact she went to the guy's place, got smashed, had sex with him, then when she got back to her room, found her ex-boyfriend and slept with him that same night. In the morning she decided she wanted to be with her ex-boyfriend again, and turned on the first guy and accused him of raping her. The case was thrown out.
Case 4: Some of the girls claimed on Oprah that they were told to expect to get raped. Yeah, the cadet that told them that was my roomate for over a year, and known for not making the best of conversations. She had to be picked up by the officer in charge of us from the airport because she joked about having a bomb in her carry-on. Her response to me, "I just wanted to add some humor to their day!" Nice girl, but sometimes made me wonder.
And come on, why in the world if both parties are wasted, the guy is always blamed? In the case where the girl was doing tequila body shots with a group of guys and taking off clothing and rubbing against a guy who's also drunk, wouldn't any guy think she's lusting over him? Common sense here people! I'm not supporting either the guy or the girl here, but personal accountability goes a long way here. Responsibility for your actions, if you do something stupid, fess up and learn from it. Granted, some of life's lessons really are a *****, I personally know, but wholly placing the blame on someone else is just wrong.
As for the reputation of the Academy, EVERY SINGLE BIT of this stuff and FAR WORSE happen at colleges and other institutions across the nation. The Academy just gets a bad rap because it's held to a higher standard that the college down the road with a pot-smoking club and football players raping cheerleaders. The fact that military leaders graduate from there makes it a target because it gives the media something to fuss about.
In case y'all haven't noticed, the media is a bunch of whoopeeed parasites that will do anything to get a "boo-hoo" story that will get them more readers. Luckily there are a few reporters that realize the truth to the whole damned thing can make for a even better story.
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And just for the record, one night when a ex of mine gave me a particularly hard time, I had over 10 guys at my door afterwards wanting to beat the tar out of the guy for what he said to me. Even now, there are friends who want his head on a plate. While y'all read about the few who may have caused problems, they don't mention the MANY that if they knew, would have gone out and beaten the rapist within an inch of his life.
I felt like I had a bunch of big brothers out there and 99% of them are outstanding people that I would trust to have by my side in a battle.
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Thanks for shedding some light on the subject DragonsBane. Hopefully those with no firsthand knowledge of the Air Force will consider your words and not be so quick to judge.
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DragonsBane
Do you still have to get a senators recomendation to get in?
Thanks for the info.
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Wow... thanx for the insight, DragonsBane.
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SunTracker, all you did was post a link. What do You have to say?
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Thanks for the post dragonsbane. But it really isn't necessary. We prefer to get our information from the media because it is more accurate and unbias.
Oh... wait... it isn't.
Sometimes it amazes me that people so easily forget just how ****ed up kids between 18 and 22 can get. Both boys and girls.
The way you talk about this does remind me of the way my wife talks about being an enlisted female in the Air Force. Not trying to excuse the men here, but those innocent females were seldomely as innocent as they let on.
MiniD
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SunTracker, all you did was post a link. What do You have to say?
Embarrassed of and disappointed in the Air Force Academy. Was happy to find that four of the Generals running the Academy were fired though.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Embarrassed of and disappointed in the Air Force Academy. Was happy to find that four of the Generals running the Academy were fired though.
Good, now you've stepped up like a man and said your piece. That's far better than throwing mud at a wall and seeing what sticks.
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Opened my eyes DragonsBane.
Geez seems some dudes best just forget about dating and keep there minds on studies LOL NOT:(
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Thanks, DragonsBane. Appreciate your insight. In this and many other subjects, difficult to sort out what really happened from media reports and public posturing. Kinda goes along with the adage "The truth is not so much arrived at as it is surrounded."
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Opened my eyes DragonsBane.
Geez seems some dudes best just forget about dating and keep there minds on studies LOL NOT:(
Sadly, lots of guys I know who are still out there are now terrified of dating any female cadet or female in the area because they are scared she's going to turn on them.
I'm glad I was able to provide a side of the story to all of you that helped clarify the mess that the media has been throwing around.
As for Suntracker, there are not 4 generals in charge of the Cadet Wing. There are three, and two of them were good guys who got the short end of the stick for simply being there. The third general actually started this whole mess and deserved what he got. The fourth commander mentioned in the article was probably a Colonel.
One of the generals was the Dean...obviously, he is focused on Academics, does not have much interaction with cadets AT ALL and got taken out of the job simply for being there. He was actually the very last one, taken out months after the others just because some females kept throwing tantrums. (and still are)
Another general was a 3 star who pulled my happy little butt out of the fire and managed to straighten out a situation before it got worse. He had a great sense of humor, actually treated cadets like people, and was the greatest honor to have known. Me and some friends even took him a box of donuts because we joked about him being too thin. He had no idea that anything was going on, but was fired simply because he was at the top of the chain of command.
The last general however, was a jerk who deserved to have gotten in trouble. He was rude and treated cadets like bugs. While what he told the female cadet that started all of this (he likened the girl who was doing body shots and stripping and flirting to a guy walking down a dark alley with a hundred dollar bill in his pocket), he was overall not a good person.
SunTracker, you do not have any clue what you are talking about. Before you start carrying on about how personally disappointed you are by the Academy and the generals in charge of it, at least get your facts straight before you start bashing the whole shebang.
And finally, remember, the Academy itself is not the problem with the few real cases of rape that have occured. Its one or two bad individuals that did some really bad things. It's a few bad choices made by a few individuals. It is NOT every single officer running the Academy and it is definitly not every cadet who walks through those doors so that they may serve their country.
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<---------got briskett and spareribs on th grill...should be ready any minute now.
How about passin th cook a brew?
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One of the best experiences of my life was attending the AFA graduation ceremonies when my brother in law graduated. Incredible place, great food at the banquet, great airshow in the stadium, great town.