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Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Ripsnort on March 31, 2004, 08:10:47 AM
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2004 WorldNetDaily.com


It is inarguable that liberals – in the modern American sense of the word – are the most flawless human beings on the planet. They are smarter, better-educated, wealthier, kinder and morally superior to those benighted quasi-Neanderthals called conservatives, who would like nothing better than to drag society back to the Middle Ages, or, according to some high-minded liberal theorists, the Iron Age.

How do we know this? Why, liberals tell us so!

Perhaps it has escaped me, but I have not personally witnessed any call for a return to the monarchy, much less land grants held in fief, on the part of even the most conservative Republican. And the last time I looked, the Bush administration was very much in favor of steel – certainly the U.S. steel industry appears to be most appreciative of his efforts in enacting a 30 percent tariff on their behalf.

But being a liberal means never having to worry about the facts. Facts can be uncomfortable, and of course, anything that makes anyone uncomfortable is a violation of our constitutional rights. The only fact that matters is the foundational fact that you can only feel what is right, so if a fact happens to contradict your feelings, obviously that fact must be wrong. Sentio, ergo rectum.

Due to this inescapable and irrefutable logic, I have finally been convinced that I will be healthier, happier and wealthier if I join the large-brained ranks of the morally superior elite. I have therefore decided to become a liberal. Already I have benefited greatly from my decision – whereas many previous discussions ended in a frustrating impasse, now, being inestimably more clever and better-looking than before, I am able to win any argument with the greatest of ease. Let me share with you the secret of my success.



Make an untrue statement, preferably on the subject of something about which you know nothing.

Express astonishment that your source could possibly be inaccurate.

Demand what motivation your source would have to lie.

Assert that the other party's inability to articulate this motivation is tantamount to proof that your source is not lying.

Question the motivation of the contrary source.

Argue that all sources are equal and that therefore the contrary source is irrelevant.

Change the subject.

Alternatively ...



Make an untrue statement.

Deny that you said what you said.

Deny that the other party understood what you said.

Deny that the words you used mean what the other party claims they mean.

Redefine your definition and hope the other person forgets the previous one. Repeat as needed.

Assert that since definitions are irrelevant and subjective, the other person is mean-spirited, racist, sexist, intolerant and obsessive.

Change the subject.

Remember: As long as you haven't admitted you're wrong, you are right. Any attempt to demonstrate otherwise is evidence of criminal hate and probably mental imbalance, too. Never forget that an answer to a question you have asked should always be regarded as a personal attack if the answer is something you don't like, and that the answer to all evils personal, spiritual, moral and societal is more government money.

Now, if you don't mind, I should probably go exercise my newfound moral superiority. The world won't save itself, after all – not without the fount of all that is good and wise and smart and cute, which is to say, me.



http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37786
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: 1K0N on March 31, 2004, 08:18:52 AM
How to argue like a liberal

Smoking cigarettes are bad!!
Marijuana smoking is good for you!
criminalize tobacco use!
Decriminalize Marijuana use!

Thats how to argue like a liberal...

IKON
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Ripsnort on March 31, 2004, 08:25:38 AM
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Originally posted by 1K0N
How to argue like a liberal

Smoking cigarettes are bad!!
Marijuana smoking is good for you!
criminalize tobacco use!
Decriminalize Marijuana use!

Thats how to argue like a liberal...

IKON


:lol
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: AKIron on March 31, 2004, 08:48:10 AM
:aok
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Pongo on March 31, 2004, 10:33:15 AM
That reads like one big fruedian slip.
I see that little guy from "The Princess Bride" typing it in.
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: midnight Target on March 31, 2004, 10:58:00 AM
"Inconceivable!"
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Sandman on March 31, 2004, 11:13:05 AM
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Make an untrue statement.

Deny that you said what you said.

Deny that the other party understood what you said.

Deny that the words you used mean what the other party claims they mean.

Redefine your definition and hope the other person forgets the previous one. Repeat as needed.

Assert that since definitions are irrelevant and subjective, the other person is mean-spirited, racist, sexist, intolerant and obsessive.

Change the subject.


Bush is a liberal!
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: 10Bears on March 31, 2004, 11:19:31 AM
A liberal takes a stand.. the facts change so the liberal changes his stand.
A conservative takes a stand.. the facts change so the conservative changes the facts..

Liberal and world view: FACT: Iraq has no WMD and no ties to AQ.
Conservative view: Iraq has no WMD and no ties to AQ?.. nonsense! we “BELIEVE” they had WMD and so .... that’s the fact.
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Frogm4n on March 31, 2004, 11:23:12 AM
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Originally posted by 10Bears
A liberal takes a stand.. the facts change so the liberal changes his stand.
A conservative takes a stand.. the facts change so the conservative changes the facts..

Liberal and world view: FACT: Iraq has no WMD and no ties to AQ.
Conservative view: Iraq has no WMD and no ties to AQ?.. nonsense! we “BELIEVE” they had WMD and so .... that’s the fact.


Liberals tend to be humble and will admit when they are wrong on a subject. Of course this labels them as wishy washy and as women.
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: AKIron on March 31, 2004, 11:35:53 AM
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Originally posted by 10Bears
Liberal and world view: FACT: Iraq has no WMD and no ties to AQ.
Conservative view: Iraq has no WMD and no ties to AQ?.. nonsense! we “BELIEVE” they had WMD and so .... that’s the fact.


FACT: They had 'em and may still have 'em buried in the desert.

No ties to Al Queada? Do you really believe that?
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: AKIron on March 31, 2004, 11:36:47 AM
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Liberals tend to be humble and will admit when they are wrong on a subject.  


That's twice in two days I have to call bull**** on you.
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Frogm4n on March 31, 2004, 11:38:34 AM
when has bush ever admitted he was wrong. OR rush for that matter.
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Frogm4n on March 31, 2004, 11:39:40 AM
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Originally posted by AKIron
FACT: They had 'em and may still have 'em buried in the desert.

No ties to Al Queada? Do you really believe that?


Yes, al queada hated the secular government of saddam. If the muslims tried to riot in iraq and follow their religious leaders saddam would kill them all.
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: TheDudeDVant on March 31, 2004, 11:42:07 AM
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Originally posted by AKIron
FACT: They had 'em and may still have 'em buried in the desert.

No ties to Al Queada? Do you really believe that?



Can either of these statements be backed up with something creditable?

Iraqi ties to AlQ??  Can you back that up with anything? Have you ever seen a shread of evidence supporting this?
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Frogm4n on March 31, 2004, 11:46:48 AM
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Can either of these statements be backed up with something creditable?

Iraqi ties to AlQ??  Can you back that up with anything? Have you ever seen a shread of evidence supporting this?

Republicans do not need the truth or evidence. They have faith. Dont you understand!
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: AKIron on March 31, 2004, 11:56:21 AM
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Can either of these statements be backed up with something creditable?

Iraqi ties to AlQ??  Can you back that up with anything? Have you ever seen a shread of evidence supporting this?


How about this?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/30/sprj.irq.alqaeda.weapons/
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Frogm4n on March 31, 2004, 11:58:42 AM
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Originally posted by AKIron
How about this?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/30/sprj.irq.alqaeda.weapons/


Yes we know. After saddam left al queada was able to come into iraq with no problems.

The white house even said that their is no connection to saddam and al queada.
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Connection on March 31, 2004, 12:00:40 PM
Ripsnort, I think that it is interchangeable with "conservative":

Example 1 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112262)
Example 2 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112683&pagenumber=2)

...but funny nontheless :)
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: TheDudeDVant on March 31, 2004, 12:02:39 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
How about this?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/30/sprj.irq.alqaeda.weapons/



So thin it can hardly be seen....   A few 'documents' found is evidence AQ was operating in Iraqi pre-invasion? This proves fact?

How about the fact of WMD buried? If they found a hole in the desert would that prove fact as well??

dude
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Frogm4n on March 31, 2004, 12:04:40 PM
Faith man faith. God eerrrr Bush is not wrong. have faith in him.
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: TheDudeDVant on March 31, 2004, 12:21:17 PM
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Faith man faith. God eerrrr Bush is not wrong. have faith in him.


lol

BUSH IS JESUS our saviour!! Damn my clouded mind.. Thanks for reminding me..

dude
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 31, 2004, 12:24:19 PM
Not a bad find, but I disagree.  The author is missing a key ingrediant:  keywords designed to trap the Conservative.

They include, but and not limited to the following:  Sexist, racist, bigot, Nazi, Facist, homophobe, and Bush Drone.

Any opinion in direct conflict with that of the Liberal will warrent one of the preceeding labels to be assigned to the Conservative.  At the same time, the Liberal's secondary aim is to question the validity of the Conservative's position and to confuse him into thinking that he is stupid for having said opinion.

Example:

C - "I dont agree with homosexuality."
L - "LOL!  Then youre obviously a homophobe!"
C - "How does that work?"
L - "Youre afraid of gays."
C - "Where did I say that?"
L - "LOL hypocrite homophobe."
C - "I dont agree with their lifestyle... Im not afriad of them."
L - "Do you even know the clinical definition of honophobia maximus, caveman?"
C - "What?"
L - "HAHAH!!  Youre stupid!"
C - "Enlighten me."
L - "HAHAH!!  Youre a Nazi homo hater!  Hey guys - this guy doesnt even know the clinical definition of Homophobia Maximus!"
C - "Who are you talking to?  What is the definition?"
L - "HAHAH!! Youre dumb!  Homophobia Maximus: Any conservative that disagrees with you about heterosexually challenged marraige."
C - "Um... source?"
L - "HAHA!!  Stupid caveman, I got it from http://www.ihatebush.com "

And so on...

Dirty people, they are.  Kinda like lawyers, but without the tact or brain power.
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: 10Bears on March 31, 2004, 12:47:47 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
FACT: They had 'em and may still have 'em buried in the desert.

No ties to Al Queada? Do you really believe that?


LOL!!!! Classic...  Exactly Iron.. LOL!!

Ok how do you write this internet thing?.... PN8OND!!!

Faith based evidance?...
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Connection on March 31, 2004, 12:49:53 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
FACT: They had 'em and may still have 'em buried in the desert.

No ties to Al Queada? Do you really believe that?


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fact    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (fkt)
n.

   1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
   2.
         1. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
         2. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
         3. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
   3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
   4. Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.
Title: How to argue like a liberal
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 31, 2004, 12:53:58 PM
Following the "Liberal Argument" timetable to a 'T'.  In one post, you have attempted to hit two birds with one stone - indirectly calling the previous poster stupid and forcing him to question his own standpoint and use of the word "Fact."

Brilliant!  Keep it up!