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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Furball on March 31, 2004, 12:12:22 PM
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Was looking for a comparison of worldwide petrol prices after rip posted about $3.50 per gallon, this is best i could find.
(http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/oecd5.gif)
Blue line is the price of the oil, red is the taxation added.
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yay we win....ehhh...oops..
not everything is worth winning:D
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yup, we also win, looks to me like UK has highest tax component?
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Wow, that petrol stuff is expensive!
In the states we mostly use gasoline.
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i find it kinda odd that our oil prices are so high when you think about how much of it we "make" :confused:
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Is that the american version of Vasoline?
Dont even wanna know what ya use that for funked.
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I guess we cannot complain when it comes to how much our gas is taxed. Only mexico has lower taxes on gas. We should not raise them though.
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That's like saying you can't complain about an arrow through your gut because the other guy has three arrows through his gut. Back to the books, Richie.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
That's like saying you can't complain about an arrow through your gut because the other guy has three arrows through his gut. Back to the books, Richie.
Everybody knows you want 0 taxes funked. Hell i would be for that if anarchy actually worked as a form of government.
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Avg. commute in the U.S. is 35 miles. In Europe its something like 10.
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As acountry we use more so we get a better price LOL.
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Furball, the tax component of the pump price of petrol was 60% under the Tories. Under Labour, that has risen to 77%.
What does the asterisk mean against certain countries in the above table?
I'd be interested to see a similar table comparing the cost of diesel fuel. In many European countries (eg France, Spain, Portugal and (Lazs informs me) the USA, diesel is priced at about two thirds the cost of gasoline/petrol to reflect its lower production cost. In Britain, it's actually more expensive - by about 1p per litre. One of Labour's first 60 stealth taxes was "additional duty on diesel" in 1998. Presumably the thinking was that as diesel cars consume only about half the volume of fuel of their petrol counterparts, the motorist could afford to pay more tax. :rolleyes::mad:
The cost of road fuel in Britain has got bugger all to do with the environment. It's regulated by what the government feels the motorist should be paying in tax. I could design an engine that ran on rainwater. It wouldn't do any good. The govt. would simply find a way of taxing rainwater, or would introduce another tax.
BTW Furb - diesel at BP is now about 83p/litre. Price of non-road "red" diesel at the local boatyard - 40p/litre.
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my commute is 35 meters:
bed --> toilet --> kitchen --> homeoffice.
dont get the time to read the paper or listen to the radio like all them other lucky commuter sobs unless toilet time is above average for some brown reason. :(
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Avg. commute in the U.S. is 35 miles. In Europe its something like 10.
Wrong....at least in the Netherlands the avg. is app. 1 hour (due in part to heavy traffic) or app. 50 Km. (1.6 km to a mile)
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hmm... seems everyone pays about the same for the stuff but the price at the pump depends on how gullible you are in letting your government fleece you.
lazs
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fleece me you say laz2 ?
fleece you too!!! ..so fleece off you fleecer!!!!
:p
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neilson... if God didn't want you to be sheared....
he wouldn't have made you norweigen.
lazs
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yeah but im plate on
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There are places with much lower prices than the US. When I lived in Nigeria gas was about .08 a litre and in Indonesia it was around .30.
People used to smuggle gas out of Nigeria and sell it all over Africa it was so cheap. Always lead to shortages even though Nigeria is a member of OPEC.
In the gulf states it is really cheap as well.
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I don't think it's actually that expensive in Turkey.
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Doh! Just as I thought. The tax on fuel is more of a usage tax. The government's way of making sure that we pay what they feel we should pay for every mile covered. The govt. realises that diesel cars use less fuel, and therefore the users pay less fuel tax. Company car drivers already pay an employee benefit tax on their cars, but now - as of 2006, drivers of new diesel cars will have to "pay extra tax".
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Diesel is a byproduct of gasoline production and is thus cheaper. In the US, it is more heavily taxed than gasoline, and the price is now higher than gas at the pump.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
i find it kinda odd that our oil prices are so high when you think about how much of it we "make" :confused:
What is your refining capacity?
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Originally posted by Bodhi
What is your refining capacity?
enough
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Originally posted by beet1e
Doh! Just as I thought. ...
Just curious, did it take you 8 months to think of this?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Doh! Just as I thought. The tax on fuel is more of a usage tax. The government's way of making sure that we pay what they feel we should pay for every mile covered. The govt. realises that diesel cars use less fuel, and therefore the users pay less fuel tax. Company car drivers already pay an employee benefit tax on their cars, but now - as of 2006, drivers of new diesel cars will have to "pay extra tax".
Wierd. In NZ diesel is kind of "tarrif free" at the pump (still have GST... equiv to VAT). You then pay a seperate road user charge which is a fixed amount per 1000km. Its quite good as if the diesel prices go (like at present) up the RUC doesn't, whereas with petrol the included tarrfic component is proportional.
I just switched to a diesel Isuzu Bighorn (also known as an Opel Monterey in Europe I think) from a V6 Mitsi Pajero... what a drop in fuels costs :eek:
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U.S. uses most imported oil. thats why we get it cheaper
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Originally posted by myelo
Just curious, did it take you 8 months to think of this?
No. It did not take me 8 months to think of this.
8 months ago I made a prediction. I said "The cost of road fuel in Britain has got bugger all to do with the environment. It's regulated by what the government feels the motorist should be paying in tax." - and added that no matter how cheap the fuel source was (even rainwater) the govt. would always ensure that the motorist was paying the tax they thought was due, regardless of the cost of the fuel, and that if motorists found an alternative fuel, the govt. would simply tax that. My prediction was correct. It seems enough people have switched to diesel to cause alarm in the govt. - all those people getting 50mpg! So they have made the decision to tax diesel drivers further. The announcement was made at the weekend.
Hope that satisfies your curiosity. :D
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Wierd. In NZ diesel is kind of "tarrif free" at the pump (still have GST... equiv to VAT). You then pay a seperate road user charge which is a fixed amount per 1000km. Its quite good as if the diesel prices go (like at present) up the RUC doesn't, whereas with petrol the included tarrfic component is proportional.
I just switched to a diesel Isuzu Bighorn (also known as an Opel Monterey in Europe I think) from a V6 Mitsi Pajero... what a drop in fuels costs :eek:
How do they know how much you drive, do they check it at vehicle inspection? If that would be the case, then at least in here everyone would just disconnect their odometer cables. We have a similar tax, but it goes by the pound, and it's considerably lower for utility vehicles.
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W00T W000T ! France is right on the red line !!
(you can check :D)
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so what do all those countries do with all that tax money?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
so what do all those countries do with all that tax money?
lazs
We are all trying to figure ...
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my guess is that you wouldn't notice any difference if you took it away from em.
lazs
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So Gshlotz was right! If America ever decides to tax the watermelon out of gas, then we will be paying what the rest of the world pays for gas!
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Originally posted by NUKE
So Gshlotz was right! If America ever decides to tax the watermelon out of gas, then we will be paying what the rest of the world pays for gas!
Yes indeed.
And if crude oil prices goes through the roof "we" would still pay about the same for our gas at the pumps cause taxes will be cut to compensate for the increase in crude price.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yes indeed.
And if crude oil prices goes through the roof "we" would still pay about the same for our gas at the pumps cause taxes will be cut to compensate for the increase in crude price.
...and the yanks will pay the same per mile as everyone else because of their 10mpg gas guzzlers.
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Hey, they polute per head marginally less than a geriatric cow farting in shifts in India! Leave off, anything less is sheer Communism!! (Yer Bastard)
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Originally posted by lazs2
so what do all those countries do with all that tax money?
lazs
umh lasz, i can only speak for germany, but one LARGE part of the money goes for
the highways to ensure they high quality standard.
We have the best quality highways worldwide.
Since we are the only country with no speed limit on highways
(partial),
when i drive my car on highways (and i like to drive the sporting way)
the last thing i want is roads in a bad shape.
Ive traveled accross Europe alot, compared to our standard, theyr
higways are deadtraps :/
R
Gh0stFT
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The german highways are the best ive ever seen... pure perfection :)
Alot of the tax money from gas goes to roads in norway too. Because of how country is shaped it is very expensive to build and amintain roads here and the population is so spread out that its a nightmare.
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Originally posted by mora
How do they know how much you drive, do they check it at vehicle inspection? If that would be the case, then at least in here everyone would just disconnect their odometer cables. We have a similar tax, but it goes by the pound, and it's considerably lower for utility vehicles.
You get a tag with the mileage you're paid up til. If a cop pulls you over for any reason they check it. Some people get their odometers disconnected, but its risky and the fines for it are huge.
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Originally posted by lazs2
so what do all those countries do with all that tax money?
lazs
Buy hundreds of billions of US dollars every year to support your standard of living. :)
PS: Yet more evidence that Canada = TEH BESTEST!!! :mad:
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Originally posted by Vulcan
You get a tag with the mileage you're paid up til. If a cop pulls you over for any reason they check it. Some people get their odometers disconnected, but its risky and the fines for it are huge.
You still have TV licenses in NZ?
Tronsky
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Originally posted by GScholz
The tax on petrol and diesel in Norway is an environmental tax. A way for the state to make us use less of it ... just like they do on alcahol and tobacco.
hahahhaha! :lol
That's a good one!
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Originally posted by GScholz
Actually Nilsen, "we" do not produce the oil. Statoil does, and Shell and the other oil companies. The state taxes this production, and that is where we get all the $$$ from. We have to buy the oil from the oil companies just like everybody else ... it's just that we also get a percentage of everything they sell to us ... and everybody else. Which is quite a lot considering we're the third largest oil exporter in the world.
The tax on petrol and diesel in Norway is an environmental tax. A way for the state to make us use less of it ... just like they do on alcahol and tobacco.
of course... did I say that the nation produces the oil?
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Originally posted by NUKE
hahahhaha! :lol
That's a good one!
and the fun part about that is?
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Vulcan - we have a different system for charging for road usage. The pump price of road fuel is more than non-road fuel. So whereas I pay an iniquitous 86p/litre for road diesel (= NZ$2.30/litre according to http://www.forexdirectory.net/fxconverter.html ) marine diesel sold for the boats on the River Thames near here is priced at 40p/litre. And heating oil, which my car could probably run on, is only about 10p/litre. Farmers using agricultural vehicles that don't use the public roads can use whatever they like.
To know whether you're cheating, coloured dyes and other chemical signatures are added to the fuel. Just as in NZ there are big fines for disconnecting the odometer, here there are big fines if caught using red diesel in a car.
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Originally posted by Heater
Wrong....at least in the Netherlands the avg. is app. 1 hour (due in part to heavy traffic) or app. 50 Km. (1.6 km to a mile)
50km is still shorter than 35 miles.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
and the fun part about that is?
The funny part is that Gshlotz thinks that the high taxes are only meant to "make" people not use the fuel as much. That's a pile of crap.
The tax is there to extract money for the government, not to limit the use. If they wanted to limit use, they could just give everyone a quota.
Gshlotz lives in a fantasy land, that's what's so funny.
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Originally posted by GScholz
And please do not quote that moron ... please.
Better obey your fuhrer Nilsen. Sieg Heil!
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Originally posted by GScholz
The tax on petrol and diesel in Norway is an environmental tax. A way for the state to make us use less of it ... just like they do on alcahol and tobacco.
yeah, the high taxes has nothing to do with extracting money.
If they wanted to "make" you use less of it instead of making money, why not just have a quota for it's use?
I like hearing tales from this fantasy land.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The funny part is that Gshlotz thinks that the high taxes are only meant to "make" people not use the fuel as much. That's a pile of crap.
Governments do this all the time. They give tax credits for things they want people to do and raise taxes on things they think people shouldn't do or that impose a cost on society at large.
Norway's fuel taxes are so high that they are on the wrong side of the Laffer curve and could probably make more money by cutting the tax.
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My car gets 30+ MPG and I own a motorcycle that gets 53. The best part is I live 6 miles from work. If I wasn't afraid of getting run over I might even ride a bike when the weather is nice.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hope that satisfies your curiosity.
It does. Thanks.
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Originally posted by beet1e
...and the yanks will pay the same per mile as everyone else because of their 10mpg gas guzzlers.
That's funny, as I can recall I've only known four or five people who had cars that got that kind of gas mileage.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The funny part is that Gshlotz thinks that the high taxes are only meant to "make" people not use the fuel as much. That's a pile of crap.
No its not actually.
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Originally posted by GScholz
We have to buy it like everybody else. Of course the state could buy it and give it to us for free, but that wouldn't be very socialistic-environmentalist-loony now would it? Our government would never do that. ;)
And please do not quote that moron ... please.
Yeah....ok. i didnt mean "we" as in the goverment. :) But the state owns most of statoil still, or is the majority of that company public now?.....dunno.
And the oil is owned by norway (until it is pumped) and norway then sells the sectors to the highest bidder right?
Not my field tho so im not 100% sure.
Don't think NUKE is a moron btw, just a right wing nut. :D
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Anyone else find it odd that Mexico's crude oil costs are so high?
shamus
nevermind...forgot about PemCo, if the government owns the supply...boost the price, then its not a tax :)
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Originally posted by beet1e
Vulcan - we have a different system for charging for road usage. The pump price of road fuel is more than non-road fuel. So whereas I pay an iniquitous 86p/litre for road diesel (= NZ$2.30/litre according to http://www.forexdirectory.net/fxconverter.html ) marine diesel sold for the boats on the River Thames near here is priced at 40p/litre. And heating oil, which my car could probably run on, is only about 10p/litre. Farmers using agricultural vehicles that don't use the public roads can use whatever they like.
To know whether you're cheating, coloured dyes and other chemical signatures are added to the fuel. Just as in NZ there are big fines for disconnecting the odometer, here there are big fines if caught using red diesel in a car.
NZ Diesel is around 75 cents per litre at the moment (28p I think?). I just paid for my RUC's, NZ$130 for 5000km. I get ~ 600km per 70 litres. So 5000km = ~ 583 litres, /130, so thats an extra 22 cents per litre. So the rough net NZ price per litre is 97 cents including road user charges and GST (VAT).
Man you guys are getting raped!
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Originally posted by Vulcan
NZ Diesel is around 75 cents per litre at the moment (28p I think?). I just paid for my RUC's, NZ$130 for 5000km. I get ~ 600km per 70 litres. So 5000km = ~ 583 litres, /130, so thats an extra 22 cents per litre. So the rough net NZ price per litre is 97 cents including road user charges and GST (VAT).
Man you guys are getting raped!
I get 500 miles/800km on a 55 litre tank in my Golf 1.9 GT/TDi.
But you're right - we are getting raped. :mad:
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beetle... we have red dye diesel here too. It is for farming and not legal to run in road vehicles.
My cars do not get 10 mpg. My elky and Healeyu both get 12 unless I have my foot in it and then they drop to 6 or so... never 10. My Lincoln gets 23-24 no matter what.
I feel that the only way that any real alternative to gasoline ever happens is if there is a real shortage. I believe that I am helping this along and that the rest of you sissies are simply prolonging the agony.
Get with the program wussies.
lazs