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Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Hawklore on March 31, 2004, 05:38:52 PM
Anyone seen the video?

Horifying..

Hanging the corpses, on a bridge, they weren't even recognizable as human corpses, looked more like zombie corpses..

Blacken and Charred.

They beat and dragged the corpses through the streat.

And it took the military more then an hour to get in there..

Which I can understand, I wouldn't want to rush into something like that.

Your Opinion?
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Eagler on March 31, 2004, 05:49:52 PM
the term "Savages" come to mind
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Hawklore on March 31, 2004, 05:56:15 PM
I don't think Savages defines them...

I mean if someone invaded my country I wouldn't treat them like that.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Sandman on March 31, 2004, 05:57:53 PM
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Originally posted by Hawklore
I mean if someone invaded my country I wouldn't treat them like that.


I would.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Capt. Pork on March 31, 2004, 06:02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Hawklore

I mean if someone invaded my country I wouldn't treat them like that.


Although I'm not sure what exactly I would and wouldn't do if we were invaded, those images really stuck with me after seeing them, especially those of the smiling, exuberant Iraqis cheering on the mutilation of the corpses.

My thoughts are with the families of the killed right now. I don't even want to think about the animals that are responsible for the murders or just enjoyed standing by and watching.

I sincerely hope that Iraq is truly free one day.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Pongo on March 31, 2004, 07:14:15 PM
When the US pulls out mulitply that times 300 000. And it wont get TV coverage.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Gixer on March 31, 2004, 08:57:25 PM
Why are the civilian contractors driving around in late model 4x4's? Seems to me you'd stick out like a sore thumb. First thing I'd do is buy some second hand piece of ***** iraqi car to drive around in. Maybe improve your odds a little.


...-Gixer
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: NUKE on March 31, 2004, 09:09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Gixer
Why are the civilian contractors driving around in late model 4x4's? Seems to me you'd stick out like a sore thumb. First thing I'd do is buy some second hand piece of ***** iraqi car to drive around in. Maybe improve your odds a little.


...-Gixer


That's a good idea. I'd do that too, I'd just make sure it was mechanically sound so the thing wouldn't tbreak down on me and leave me exposed or stranded somewhere.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 31, 2004, 09:11:07 PM
Where is this footage?
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Raubvogel on March 31, 2004, 09:13:50 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Where is this footage?


Why? Not enough gore in your diet today?
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 31, 2004, 09:15:15 PM
I'm curious who is showing it - seems rather tasteless by whats described...
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: SunTracker on March 31, 2004, 09:20:43 PM
I heard about this, at least five of them were civilian contractors.  This reminds me of the movie "Predator" where Arnold finds the skinless bodies hanging in trees.  Sickening.
Title: Re: Falluja Attack
Post by: Gixer on March 31, 2004, 09:23:43 PM
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Originally posted by Hawklore
And it took the military more then an hour to get in there..



I haven't read anywhere that the Military got there at all after the event and probably still havent. Just left them to it.

I understand the Whitehouse have requested no western news agencies to show the video footage. As they don't want anyone to be reminded of similar events that happend in Somalia.



...-Gixer
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Capt. Pork on March 31, 2004, 09:24:02 PM
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Originally posted by SunTracker
I heard about this, at least five of them were civilian contractors.  This reminds me of the movie "Predator" where Arnold finds the skinless bodies hanging in trees.  Sickening.


Miniguns to the rescue.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: SunTracker on March 31, 2004, 09:26:06 PM
Oh wow, I went to school with a guy last semester who had just joined a security company (like the one attacked) that was leaving for Iraq.

The ambush must have caught them by surprise (obviously) because most of these 'contractors' are ex-military and armed with the same weapons as U.S. troops.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Pongo on March 31, 2004, 09:30:15 PM
Heard some pakistnis at the pizza hut talking about this very loudly and one was explaining to the other how this was like black hawk down and that the US would be presured to bring the boys home.
I never even thought of that but what a huge misscalculation is thats what someone thinks.
Clinton might risk mens lives on foolish battles with silly rules about how to fight them..but when those guys died he felt it.
Bush has no such weakness..Im not saying that he doenst care..I just think it will make him more angry, its all about will with him and he will not be the one to blink. He will leave this for someone else to clean up befor he ever backs down.
Like some of his fans have said here. Die now imolated in a jeep..die in 50 years from heart disease..its all the same.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: SunTracker on March 31, 2004, 09:33:09 PM
I think I would prefer to be shot first before being burnt alive.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: NUKE on March 31, 2004, 09:35:41 PM
Pongo we can't back down because of things like this, it does no good.

We chose to go into Iraq and now we have to deal with it and not back down. I would never want to give the impression that a few ambushes could make the entire United States turn tail and run from a war or battle. That would give a terrible message imo.

Nodody wants people to die but that is what happens in war.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: muckmaw on March 31, 2004, 09:39:37 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm curious who is showing it - seems rather tasteless by whats described...



CNN.

Fox refused to show it last I heard.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Gixer on March 31, 2004, 09:44:54 PM
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Originally posted by muckmaw
CNN.

Fox refused to show it last I heard.



Fox would refuse to show a game of tiddly winks if it portrayed the Bush Administration in a bad way. Let alone some bad news from Iraq.



...-Gixer
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Hawklore on March 31, 2004, 09:47:40 PM
I saw it on the Late Night News on ABC... Or what ever that thing is that comes on around 5..
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: NUKE on March 31, 2004, 09:55:19 PM
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Originally posted by Gixer
Fox would refuse to show a game of tiddly winks if it portrayed the Bush Administration in a bad way. Let alone some bad news from Iraq.



...-Gixer


How would showing it make the Bush administration look bad? Maybe they refused to show it for the same reasons none of the networks showed the mutilated bodies from the WTC?
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Hawklore on March 31, 2004, 10:21:10 PM
I don't want this to turn into an attack you guys, personal attacks as we all know are not tolerated.

Take it to e-mail if need be.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Yeager on March 31, 2004, 10:38:50 PM
I mean if someone invaded my country I wouldn't treat them like that.
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Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: AKIron on March 31, 2004, 10:48:50 PM
Iraqis haven't been known for their altruism. They ravaged the Kuwaitis like a pack of dogs. We didn't go into Iraq just to liberate an oppressed people. Might be time to let them feel a bit of our might, especially in Falluja.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Tarmac on March 31, 2004, 10:57:17 PM
The images I saw on CNN had areas that were blurred... it was only after I watched CBC (canadian) that I saw the bodies that had been blurred earlier.  

And of course, it's all over the internet too.
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: capt. apathy on March 31, 2004, 10:59:32 PM
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Your Opinion?


and the cost rises.  what are we getting out of this again?  not bush and his buddys.  not the iraqi's.

us, the american- tax paying, kids dying- public.

what is it gonna take for the rest of us to pay attention long enough to become outraged.

we where duped into this fiasco of a war.
our pockets are drained daily on a scale I can't even comrehend.
the best of our young men (the future of our country) are dying and being mutilated, while savages dance around their corpses.
for what?  so some rich guys can get richer?  he can't find osama so he finds hussien in the hopes that that will be good enough to get re-elected.
why does he even care if he's re-elected?  a couple hundred billion not enough of a take?  whats the plan for the next term (God I hope there's not another)?  a whole new made-up war?  or are we just gonna keep hemoraging money and younge men into Iraq?
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: Gixer on March 31, 2004, 11:10:43 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
How would showing it make the Bush administration look bad? Maybe they refused to show it for the same reasons none of the networks showed the mutilated bodies from the WTC?



You missed my point, I was saying Fox wouldn't show anything (forget mutilated bodies for a moment) that makes the Bush Admin look bad because it's a very Pro Bush, Pro Republican network.

It's owned by Rupert Murdoch who is a huge Republican supporter and has donated millions to the Republican party. Fox news is probably the most biased and one eyed network broadcasting and just a megaphone for the Bush Administration.

We get Fox news and Fox Freinds here in NZ and the stories they run and comments they make on events one wonders if they are even reporting the same story as the other networks.



...-Gixer
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: NUKE on March 31, 2004, 11:16:40 PM
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Originally posted by Gixer
You missed my point, I was saying Fox wouldn't show anything (forget mutilated bodies for a moment) that makes the Bush Admin look bad because it's a very Pro Bush, Pro Republican network.

It's owned by Rupert Murdoch who is a huge Republican supporter and has donated millions to the Republican party. Fox news is probably the most biased and one eyed network broadcasting and just a megaphone for the Bush Administration.

We get Fox news and Fox Freinds here in NZ and the stories they run and comments they make on events one wonders if they are even reporting the same story as the other networks.



...-Gixer


I hate Fox and Friends...a bunch of absolute morons.

But, I like Fox news in general. If I watch TV at all it's either History channel, news, Wings or Discovery.

Fox news is the most watched news in the US and it is a needed counter balance to the left leaning CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNBC etc.

It works both ways with the news.....I see stories on Fox that no liberal news runs with.....like the Audio tape of Clinton admiting he turned down an offer by Sudan for Bin Ladden. They have an audio tape of it, but no other news would even comment on that.


I like Fox news myself, but I don't trust any one source for news and I certainly have my own opinions about everything as you may know :)
Title: Falluja Attack
Post by: -tronski- on April 01, 2004, 01:24:59 AM
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Originally posted by Gixer
You missed my point, I was saying Fox wouldn't show anything (forget mutilated bodies for a moment) that makes the Bush Admin look bad because it's a very Pro Bush, Pro Republican network.

It's owned by Rupert Murdoch who is a huge Republican supporter and has donated millions to the Republican party. Fox news is probably the most biased and one eyed network broadcasting and just a megaphone for the Bush Administration.

We get Fox news and Fox Freinds here in NZ and the stories they run and comments they make on events one wonders if they are even reporting the same story as the other networks.



...-Gixer


Fox and friends is a sickening circle jerk....

Angry crowd mutilates bodies of US contractors; five US soldiers killed (http://au.news.yahoo.com/040401/19/odlq.html)

 Tronsky