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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hazed- on May 30, 2001, 11:50:00 PM
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just looking at my stats in the 190a8 after i had a great sortie and killed 4 bombers hitting our city and HQ (hehe 1 was an off mapper).
and i was very pleased with my score (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
K/d against all bombers this tour?
30-1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
plane K/D vs 190a8
arado...1 / 0
lanc....8 / 0
b17.....4 / 0
b26....10 / 1
ju88....2 / 0
tbm.....1 / 0
il2.....4 / 0
not bad eh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ive been using rockets to try to kill them and ive had near misses but its sooo hard i havent manged a kill with one in the air (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I dont approach from the 6oc unless i feel i have surprise on my side.Slashing attacks is the way to go (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
seems to work (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hazed
9./JG54
[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 05-30-2001).]
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Not half bad at all Hazed. WTG!
How you doin in that thing against ponies? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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cc, wtg hazed.
Ive always respected a8 pilots.
Some people just choose to fly the D9 and G10 and STILL have the guts to whine and blame something when they lose.
Yet (most) a8 flyers just shut up when they lose, roll again, and keep trying.
It is also a mean HO machine.
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Its not a bad plane, though isn't the -A5 the better fighter? From the web page charts here the older A5 is faster and climbs better.
I think the later A8 has armor plating and and better armed, more for bomber hunting than for dogfighting fighters.
Hans.
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Hans,
During last year when I did last times fly online, I did favor A8 over A5 for some reason.
I felt more like being at home in A8, better control feel.
Probably because of my better experience with A8 compared to A5 (*huge* difference in experience)
Good thing in A8 is that it can fly fairly easy without wingtip, unlike 109s.
I got one screenshot from times when I were making my streak in A8, flamin B17 and my focke without wingtip and drifting right at another B-17's guns. (avoided it though)
...of course nothing wins hogs in flying without a wingtip.
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The A8 is my favorite AH plane.
It is very easy to fly, takes a load of punishment, and hits extremely hard with a seemingly endless supply of cannon.
It doesn't get used as much as it could because of the long climb times. I have found however, like the IL2, that if you get caught slow in a low turn fight, you can often get a guy to auger, or over shoot.
I always carry the rockets as well to shoot at bombers, but mostly chutes. They don't seem to work to well though, is that a bug maybe, or is it just hard to range them?
Oh, and it's a HO'ing beast.
The 190A8 is a all around great stable plane and a good begginer aircraft to learn boom and zoom for sure.
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190a8 good beginners plane? i dont quite think its as easy to fly as the spit,niki,p51,ki,etc.
hangtime (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) p51s have always been a problem for the a8 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) faster and more manouverable it seems the only advantage i can get over them is a fast dive and rolling scissors (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
typhoons seem a problem too.109g10s are a nightmare for 190a8s but as this wouldnt have happened in the war i dont worry about them so much.
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Hazed
9./JG54
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(Pats back) Lifetime for me in AH is 4.5 K/D ratio for the B-Bird...flew it yesterday, love her!
Great run ya got their Hazed!
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Originally posted by Creamo:
The A8 is my favorite AH plane.
It is very easy to fly, takes a load of punishment, and hits extremely hard with a seemingly endless supply of cannon.
It doesn't get used as much as it could because of the long climb times. I have found however, like the IL2, that if you get caught slow in a low turn fight, you can often get a guy to auger, or over shoot.
I always carry the rockets as well to shoot at bombers, but mostly chutes. They don't seem to work to well though, is that a bug maybe, or is it just hard to range them?
Oh, and it's a HO'ing beast.
The 190A8 is a all around great stable plane and a good begginer aircraft to learn boom and zoom for sure.
Nice observations creamo. I've also found that carrying the 500kg bomb around in dogfights makes for a more challenging, and therefore enjoyable flight simm experience.
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Also, to make up for the ease of the 190A8, I have found that turning off my monitor in a dogfight makes for a real challenge, but you must use "The force" to compensate for not being able to see anything, although the 30 mils will make up for this, just spray em around everywhere, turn on your monitor, and land.
Easy 10 kill sortie, right creamo? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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There is hardly a more stable plane in AH, and one as deadly. It's like a LW F4UC really, but doesn't turn well, so just drive it accordingly.
If a new guy wants to learn BnZ and have a powerful plane, I can't see why not to use it. A P51 is way more vulnerable to stall and "twitchy" behavior, and takes allot of on target gun time, which I can't deal with. Yet someone would be quick to point out thats a acceptable plane for anyone to fly. I find it terrible, but that's personal taste I guess.
The 190A8 rolls like all hell, and you can HO your way out of a bad situation and run.
Being facetious alluding to the difficulty of the plane by goofing you should shut off your monitor and carry a bomb is just more LW propaganda.
It's easy to fly as any plane regarding patient BnZ tactics, but have many more advantages then alot of planes, period. It just has this BS rep through these boards and the guys that fly it, as if they are superior pilots. The FM are great, but all planes in AH are not modeled "complex" as for as systems and operation... hello?
It's one of the few planes I have a 1/1 kill ratio and believe me, that's good in my case.
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Originally posted by hazed-:
190a8 good beginners plane? i dont quite think its as easy to fly as the spit,niki,p51,ki,etc.
Hehe, when I got WarBirds first time in my hands, FW190A8 was my choice when I were flying off-line first times and preferred it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Seems like few years after I still liked it enough to fight alot with it.
Btw. when uncle tried AH, he preferred Me109 over the spitfire, because it was easier to control and not so slippery.
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Rip this is only vrs buffs not all k/ds (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
i get a roughly 2/1 kd in it overall maybe little less but then again i rarely paly it safe and rtb i usually reverse into the enemy rather than run all the way home.As soon as people break off my 6 i usually turn on them and usually die hehe.
creamos is talking crap if you ask me.I checked his stats and he flies nikis,spits,f4c's,la7s,typhoons and although flown less in most cases like typhoon la7 he has better k/d ratio in almost every other plane( eg F4c 28 kills 14 deaths and 190a8 23 kills 22 deaths). your stats dont back your statements creamo.
I must admit i flew the niki beginning of this tour as a protest with wilbuz and others and it wasnt the uber plane i thought t was for someone who doesnt fly it much like me but if i flew it the entire tour im sure it would show itself to be super e retentive.your stats on the niki seem strange creamo.You been ramming stuff kamakazi style?
32 buff kills to 1 death since this post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ooh i love killing buffs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hazed
9./JG54
[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 05-31-2001).]
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hehe check my stats in 190A8 not a perfect becose many time i try to fight a niki s on deck but contra buffs i prefer A8
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Creamo's got a lure in the water, Hazed, ignore him...
He does have a point about the guns, usually if the fight deteriotes to the ground, the A8 does have the nice ability to HO and/or snap shots in a jam, other than that, it sucks in climb rate, it sucks in turning ability, it sucks (literally) in fuel consumption, and if you fly this plane half-way decent, chances are you'll fly any other B and Z aircraft with skill.
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creamo, I think its the 1001th time you try to bait with the same hook. I see you still get some fishes, but most of the rest simply dont bite
Time to change the hook, huh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 05-31-2001).]
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I did kill like over 70 B-17's when I was doing the streak in Fw190A8 (yes, they did shoot back already by then, couple lost wingtips can prove that and the screenshot)
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"K/d against all bombers this tour?
30-1
plane K/D vs 190a8
arado...1 / 0
lanc....8 / 0
b17.....4 / 0
b26....10 / 1
ju88....2 / 0
tbm.....1 / 0
il2.....4 / 0
not bad eh? "
And they said the Buff guns were too deadly???
Not bad at all, and it proves a point. The right pilot, using the right plane, and the right tactics, will kill a buff.
Ranger Bob
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Will the true butcher bird step forward please:
Tiffie vs:
arado...2 / 0
lanc....17 / 1
b17.....17 / 1
b26....8 / 0
ju88....2 / 0
tbm.....6 / 0
il2.....3 / 0
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vulcan you mean the true typhoon or the AH one with added rollrate performance? hehe
JOKE mate dont get in a huff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hazed
9./JG54
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Great arguments r4metz and rip, backed up with facts and points... "ignore me" and "it's a troll?" Ok.
Hazed, I just stated my opinion of the A8, and backed it up with pretty solid facts.
It rolls awesome, has a huge cannon load, is stable as any aircraft in the game, takes a beating and keeps flying, is a great BnZ plane, is easy to fly compared to having to do hard turns and fast ACM in say a twitchy SPIT, reasonably good view, carrys rockets, and face to face the other plane is going to be a confetti bomb or walk away bloody. Whats hard to understand that makes for a good airplane? What makes it not a good plane for a begginer as well?
And as for my stats, "creamos is talking crap if you ask me.I checked his stats and he flies nikis,spits,f4c's,la7s,typhoons and although flown less in most cases like typhoon la7 he has better k/d ratio in almost every other plane..."
Did you type in my name correctly? I don't fly Spits hardly ever, they are all over the place and I can't hit with it's guns...(1-8 K/D), the Niki Im 53-74 which you said yourself you couldnt find anything great or uber about that plane as your popsicle squad mates were "protesting" and quitting over its UFO capabilities.
The F4UC stats are what they are. I figured out how to BnZ flying LW stuff, and after a few hours when I build my perk points up, I take one out for a 3-4 kill sortie till I run outta gas or get killed. It resets me to 0 points and I repeat the process. Yes the Chog is a beast, I really like flying it.
As for any other plane, the G2 have I 1/1 kill ratio 4-4 I think, but compared to 23-23 in 190A8 that represents nothing.
My stats DO back up what I said, as flawed as the ground prox kills, assists and such skew the what really happens in the MA.
Sooo, if you don't quit, keep your witchhunt for that elusive "E" retention that the Niki just might after a full tour of flying it.
it wasnt the uber plane i thought t was for someone who doesnt fly it much like me but if i flew it the entire tour im sure it would show itself to be super e retentive"
Blah...
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I just want to say, my best fights EVER have been P-47 vs. A8 fights. Those two planes are so close in abilities that they are just a FUN match.
I hope to see more A8's in the arena. As a Jug pilot, they are always a fun fight.
The 190a8 is also a good tool to learn BnZ, I agree. It's challenging in the MA, but what it does is force you to fly a good BnZ. You learn real fast not to start turning with it... you just die. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) It's like teaching gunnery by getting somebody to fly the Spit for a while... it forces you to shoot accurately since it has a small ammo load. It handles nicely overall... I'm going to have to fly it a bit more in the MA.
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I remember Chuck Yeager's Air Combat. My fav plane was the fw-190 a-8--that was the plane i flew my first mission in there.
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I started using the A8 about 7 years ago in aw. In aw if you tried a climbing turn and got to 150kias you immediately turned into a frisbee. the A8 in AW had a mean departure.
The three aircraft I use most frequently are d9, a8, and the typhoon. IMHO of the three the A8 is the best gun platform, probably the best gun platform in the game. Use the roll rate, the flick, and some low yoyos you have a very nice craft in the a8.
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Every couple tours I switch my main ride for a little variety. I used to fly mainly the p51, then I switched to the p47 when it came out, then the f4u-1d and la5, now for the last 2 tours the spit9. (Never realized how good the spit9 is. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Even I can average 3 or 4 kills per death in that monster before I run out of cannon ammo and have to shoot spitballs.) I did try out the fw190a8 for about 1/2 a tour and I believe I ended up with a 19 to 3 k/d in it. I'm thinking maybe I'll try out the a5 and a8 soon.
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