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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DiabloTX on April 01, 2004, 10:17:18 PM
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Anyone else here think this is a very odd idea? I mean in the middle of the middle East. The sand. The possible terrorists. Think I'd rather race my F1 car in an WRC event in Norway in the middle of winter than race in Bahrain right now.
Thoughts?
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Despite the drawbacks they do have one overriding qualification: they have oodles of cold, hard cash, which is by far the most important thing in F1.
Unfortunately no spraying champagne or scantily-clad "pit ponies" at this GP: not suitable for an Islamic country.
On the other hand they do allow tobacco advertising so Bernie will be happy.
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I can definitely see the business aspect of the race, that's clear. From a safety issue, both on and off the track, I am just a little concerned. But, hey, if Bernie says its ok, by God it is.
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Originally posted by Pei
On the other hand they do allow tobacco advertising so Bernie will be happy.
Yeah Camel cigaretts should do well:rofl
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Originally posted by Pei
... cold, hard cash, which is by far the most important thing in F1.
I thought the most important things were grid girls. Isn't cash just a means to an end?
(http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/crashnet/20040216/02/3210691622.jpg)
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Yeah Camel cigaretts should do well:rofl
Too bad Winston pulled out of NASCAR as primary sponsor. I'd fly 10,000 miles to smoke a Miss Winston.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Too bad Winston pulled out of NASCAR as primary sponsor. I'd fly 10,000 miles to smoke a Miss Winston.
No to have her smoke YOU:aok
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Errr, yeah, that's what I meant.
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Originally posted by Pei
Despite the drawbacks they do have one overriding qualification: they have oodles of cold, hard cash, which is by far the most important thing in F1.
Unfortunately no spraying champagne or scantily-clad "pit ponies" at this GP: not suitable for an Islamic country.
On the other hand they do allow tobacco advertising so Bernie will be happy.
Dollars talk in this case...but the track looks great, so hard to say. With tobacco dollars drying up, guess they want to go to new and lucrative markets....
Tronsky
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yup all these girls around F1 could mean some issue.
But generaly its great Idea
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The track looks really good... Fast one...
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They dont show the pit girls on TV. Anyways, track is 3.362 miles or 5.411 km.
(http://www.crash.net/pictures/view/78566.jpg)
(http://www.bahraingp.com.bh/images/circuit.jpg)
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Theres also the new Grand Prix of Shanghai later in the year. So China now has a GP as well.
(http://itv-f1.fp.sandpiper.net/media/imagelibrary/18943_2.jpg)
(http://www.gunnar-knupe.de/formula_1/images/tracks/shanghai_2004.jpg)
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F1 goes were the money is or wants it to be.
btw whatever happended with the plans about a race in russia?
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I like the layout of the Bahrain track. Not sure I'd care much for the race though, if I was a lowly mechanic. Air filtration should be interesting, along with the security concerns.
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Come on guys, security won't be a problem. Just because they're in the Middle East doesn't mean it's a target.
Oh yeah, and the F1 teams and fans will be guests in Bahrain. Security will be taken care of.
Now, if they were trying to pull an armored derby again, like they did last year, security would be something else.
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im have one more care....
im worried that cames could have stron depression if they will see that speed :D
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That China track looks evil.
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European countries are adopting strict laws against tobacco advertising. As a result, F1 is moving races out of Europe and into less restrictive countries. I just hope some ***head doesn't run onto the grid with a bomb strapped to his back.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
European countries are adopting strict laws against tobacco advertising. As a result, F1 is moving races out of Europe and into less restrictive countries. I just hope some ***head doesn't run onto the grid with a bomb strapped to his back.
Yes, because when I see "Marlboro" on the rear aerofoil of Mikey's F-car, I think "Hmm... maybe now would be a good time to start smoking."
PC policy = One step forward, two steps back.
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Seriously ,do you think that the Marlboro paint on the car is only for decorative purpose ?
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I'm glad to see tobacco moving out of sports. I always equated sports with family events, and kids are the key component to a family.
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Originally posted by gofaster
I'm glad to see tobacco moving out of sports. I always equated sports with family events, and kids are the key component to a family.
Yeap, I agree. We just need more sponsors for racing like Budwieser, Miller, and Coors. Alcohol and driving, whatta a combo!!! :aok
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lol Diablo...good old fashioned family fun.:aok
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I think Hitech Creations should become the main sponsor an F1 team. Perhaps they could take over Minardi or Sauber.
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Originally posted by Nilsen10
I think Hitech Creations should become the main sponsor an F1 team. Perhaps they could take over Minardi or Sauber.
No offense to the crew, but Im pretty sure HTC couldnt afford tires for a season, let alone a team.
Anyone wanna start throwing money in? My name goes on the nose... wait.. **** that - Im the driver.
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Originally posted by straffo
Seriously ,do you think that the Marlboro paint on the car is only for decorative purpose ?
Advertising does not equal brainwashing.
Are you suggesting that its the duty of a government or other regulatory agency to dictate what I should and should not be able to see? Do you expect simple minded humans to stammer out of the house, run to the nearest tobacco shop and start chewing on raw leaves in a frenzied manner when they see an advertisement?
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Come on saur..its just a few billion. You then devide that by the number of players and all the players get their name on the cars. If you want the good spots on the car you just pay abit more every month to HTC :p
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Advertising does not equal brainwashing.
Are you suggesting that its the duty of a government or other regulatory agency to dictate what I should and should not be able to see? Do you expect simple minded humans to stammer out of the house, run to the nearest tobacco shop and start chewing on raw leaves in a frenzied manner when they see an advertisement?
er yes it does...I work for a big Swiss based pharmaceutical manufacturer, every 2-3 years they throw about £2 million at advertising multivitamins for a space of 6 weeks - demand triples or quadruples for 6 weeks then tails off over the next 24 months before the next cash injection.
Advertising works each and every time - sell rubbish, just make sure your ad spend is HUGE!!
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Advertising does not equal brainwashing.
Are you suggesting that its the duty of a government or other regulatory agency to dictate what I should and should not be able to see? Do you expect simple minded humans to stammer out of the house, run to the nearest tobacco shop and start chewing on raw leaves in a frenzied manner when they see an advertisement?
Dunno for the USA but here it's the whole population that support the smoker and their not so cheap agony.
Call that nanny or whatever name ,but the governement when interdicting ads for toxic products will perhaps take less of my money for people who don't care of their future.
I've nothing against smoker or drinker I'm myself occasional smoker/drinker.
But if instead of agonising during month (and costing thousand of € the socity) we suggest to the addicted to suicide at the 1st symptom I'll ask to remove the ban for advertisement.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
er yes it does...I work for a big Swiss based pharmaceutical manufacturer, every 2-3 years they throw about £2 million at advertising multivitamins for a space of 6 weeks - demand triples or quadruples for 6 weeks then tails off over the next 24 months before the next cash injection.
Advertising works each and every time - sell rubbish, just make sure your ad spend is HUGE!!
Well then there is obviously no hope for you Euro types.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Anyone else here think this is a very odd idea? I mean in the middle of the middle East. The sand. The possible terrorists. Think I'd rather race my F1 car in an WRC event in Norway in the middle of winter than race in Bahrain right now.
Thoughts?
Diablo, if you start thinking this way, danger of terrorists and so on,
then better dont race at all anywhere on Earth.
Bahrain F1 was planed and build some years ago. If they dont race
here on Sunday then Terrorists win :( And like Funked said,
i hope there is no suicide bomber out there.
I hope to see a good Schumacher Show on sunday ! ehehe :>
And the China GP track looks indeed very nasty! :)
R
Gh0stFT
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Well then there is obviously no hope for you Euro types.
What let you suppose that they sell only in Europe ?
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Originally posted by straffo
What let you suppose that they sell only in Europe ?
Must be a language barrier problem - but Im having some difficulty figuring out exactly what you meant in your first post - so Im in no position to address this one.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Well then there is obviously no hope for you Euro types.
lol 18 billion dollar company - I ship 22 metric tons of the stuff to the USA every month
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Looking forward to the F1 race in Bahrain. Got my new Hard Drive DVR ready to record qualifying tomorrow morning while I'm sleeping.
BTW, speedchannel is showing the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix, where Senna got killed. Going to be on tonight at midnight, central time.
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Originally posted by banana
BTW, speedchannel is showing the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix, where Senna got killed. Going to be on tonight at midnight, central time.
:(
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My old man is mates with Paul Stoddart, and from what he says...HTC would need to be prepared to sell his soul to a certain AH bbs user (for a signicantly better price) if he wanted to run a F1 team let alone own even a minow like Minardi....
unfortunately for me, the race is on at 10pm, and I got a 5am start monday morning, so it's record and avoid all news reports till monday night ...hours waiting to see schuey win :aok
as for advertising....if advertising didn't work, then companies like Bud, Nike etc. wouldn't spend all those millions of dollars for zero gain...same with tobacco...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
And like Funked said,
i hope there is no suicide bomber out there.
If you don't want me to think that way you need to do it yourself. With that one little sentence you already have thoughts of it happening. I am not so naive to think it can't happen anywhere else in the world, it would just be a lot easier for the terrorists to do it in their own "backyard". That and the sand situation I think is very concerning. There are plenty of other countries that don't have F1 yet. I guess the money that was offered in Bahrain was too much to over look.
As a certified motorhead I hope it is a great race , which to me is rare in F1 lately. Go Schuey.
As for HTC, I think their first order of business would be to perk Scuderia Ferrari. Double perks for Schuey.
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Bahrain is actually an island off the coast of Saudi Arabia. Nice little paradise or haven for terrorists.
(http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/maps/ba-map.gif)
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
Bahrain is actually an island off the coast of Saudi Arabia. Nice little paradise or haven for terrorists.
Heh, "paradise", don't tell that to my reserve unit. Bahrain has killer per diem though.
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Well Bahrain being a new track should help to level the playing field a bit. I believe most of the F-1 teams have the same technology in systems they use to setup their cars. Just some teams have better cars and engines and research. I'm always hoping for the small teams to kick some arse though. Im a fan of Prost Racing myself. I watched him compete against Senna and to me those two will always be the greatest F-1 drivers (besides Michael) :D. Bahrain could be the track for Williams BMW though. Lotsa acute corners, quick acceleration. Not obtuse like the first two tracks. Just have to wait and see I guess.
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China's (Shanghai) been delayed till next year aparently..
Tronsky
*edit: not F1, but V-8 Supercars race...
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Schuey again. YAWWWWWWWWwwwwwnnnnnnnnn..... .Yeap, F1, the best racing in the world.
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that was one of the most boring races i have seen in F1 so far (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/yawn.gif)
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Originally posted by Nilsen10
that was one of the most boring races i have seen in F1 so far (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/yawn.gif)
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umh sry Nilsen, but the race had alot action in the middle field,
was fun to watch especially Trulli & Alonso!
And once again Schumi showed who the king of F1 Racing is !
Pole position & Race win ! :)
To bad nobody can beat him, maybe in 10 years a new Schumi will be born ;)
R
Gh0stFT
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Apart from the coming together with Ralf, I thought Sato had a fine race, and the scraps Button had were interesting too....But of course Shuey N#1 again!
Tronsky
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Why do some of you think F1 is boring? Simply because of the outcome?
I understand the NASCAR mentality - that the drivers are competing against eachother with the track simply as the place they are doing it... (as opposed to the F1 mentality (at least mine) that the drivers are individually competing against the circut and the driver that most effectively negotiates the circut beats out his rivals)... but why the 'boring' comments from the Euro types?
PS: Tough being a McLaren fan these days. :(
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lol "eurotypes"
booring because one team is to dominant and not much happened today besides afew breakdowns and some other minor incidents.
PS. Tough to be a Renault fan to but Mclarren really needs to get their things back on track
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Why do some of you think F1 is boring? Simply because of the outcome?
I understand the NASCAR mentality - that the drivers are competing against eachother with the track simply as the place they are doing it... (as opposed to the F1 mentality (at least mine) that the drivers are individually competing against the circut and the driver that most effectively negotiates the circut beats out his rivals)... but why the 'boring' comments from the Euro types?
PS: Tough being a McLaren fan these days. :(
Saur, racing to me is driver vs. driver. With the technology F1 uses its definitely like you said driver vs. track. I don't watch racing for that. Driver vs. driver is much more exciting. When you have someone as talented as Schumaker in a car like a Ferarri there really isn't much else going on in the race is there? It more or less boils down to waiting to see if Schuey makes a mistake. That's F1 in a nutshell now. BORING.
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I havent watched the race yet and inadvertantly found out that Michael/Ferrari won. Looks like BAR-Honda is going to be a strong contender this year along with Williams-BMW. Whether a race is boring or not is partly due to television coverage. Which cars they show which % of the time. If the race leader is leading from start to finish and the camera is constantly on him or the front then it could be a boring race (if your not the race leaders fan).
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I agree Coffe. Ferrari was almost not in camera at all today, main focus was on BAR, Renault and Williams....mostly BAR i think.
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The king bought himself a really fine television production crew. There were plenty of good duels. The camera work and direction were excellent and really showed off these bits of wheel-to-wheel fighting. Nice heavy use of in-car cameras with cuts outside to show relative positions, glowing brakes and the larger context of the race.
One more race like that and Kimi is gonna be known as the Fiery Finn.
But there is a qualitative difference between a battle for sixth place and one for first.
And I fear that, just like Magny Cours, next time they race on this track there will be a lot less action, as the drivers figure out there's only one place on the track where overtaking can occur successfully.
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F1 TV production is handled exclusively by FOM, Bernie's little monopoly.
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The most entertaining F1 race in recent history was Spa a few years back. And only then it was due to the commentators comments after the big wreck on lap 1. Classic! :aok
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That big Spa wreck was hilarious. It looked like bumper cars.
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Incredible to see what drivers can walk away from these days.
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Just saw the GP. Lotsa excitment, track was well build, etc... Very entertaining.
:D
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Anyone else here think this is a very odd idea? I mean in the middle of the middle East. The sand. The possible terrorists. Think I'd rather race my F1 car in an WRC event in Norway in the middle of winter than race in Bahrain right now.
Thoughts?
It worked out well didnt it? Not the most exciting track on the calendar, but still.
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I like F1.
(http://www.r-f1.de/main7/1999/jpgs/san99_tyre_wom.jpg)
(http://koti.mbnet.fi/f1stars/babe14.jpg)
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Do you get live F1 from europe in america?
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nilsen i first thought you where talking about the last race,
but you dig out a 1 year old thread ! ;)
edit: btw. one of the better F1 news & info site -> f1racing.net (http://www.f1racing.net/en/)
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Yup, thats a good site. Gonna be exciting today with raikkonen in pole ahead of alonso.
I don't like the track at monza but we can always hope for rain. :)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Speed Channel showed the Malaysian GP, so I assume it'll show San Marino on Sunday.
Monaco is a given and of course USGP at Indy are shown on major networks.
SC shows all the GPs.
I think SC said not till Thursday.
from the SC web site
PLEASE NOTE
Formula 1 has exercised its option to put four races on broadcast television in 2005. The San Marino, Spanish, Canadian and German Grands Prix will be shown on CBS prior to SPEED's delayed telecasts.
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Speed Channel showed the Malaysian GP, so I assume it'll show San Marino on Sunday.
Monaco is a given and of course USGP at Indy are shown on major networks.
(http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/crashnet/20050423/17/2219046727.jpg)
were's the babes on F1Racing.net?
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How'd you post so fast Milo?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
How'd you post so fast Milo?
:confused: Mystery of the i-net. :D
When I posted there was no pic in your post.