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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Jester on April 04, 2004, 05:13:32 PM
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This is the aircraft we need next in AH.
The FOCK WULF TA-183 HUCKEBEIN (Raven).
Don't forget the X4M Guided Missiles. :D
(http://www.luft46.com/mrart/mr183-3.jpg)
Of course we will also need Meteors and P-80's to fight. ;)
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Ummmmmmmmm NO.
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It's just another jet; if you're going to add planes that never actually saw service, branch out into some of the odder planes, like the Me-329....
(http://www.luft46.com/jgart/jg329-4.jpg)
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why dont we just add a F-16 with the JET flight model and be done with it...and while were at it we may as well paint the sky green the ground pink and use gamespy arcade...
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Jesus ****in christ some of you guys take this **** way too seriously.
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Originally posted by vorticon
why dont we just add a F-16 with the JET flight model and be done with it...and while were at it we may as well paint the sky green the ground pink and use gamespy arcade...
GET A GRIP! :rolleyes:
Was just making a joke and showing off a neat picture of some aircraft I ran across. 100% Decaff and no more sugar on your "Frostie O's" for YOU bunch from now on!
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lol...gettem jetsr, BTW I like both of those jets. Never seen'em before.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
lol...gettem jetsr, BTW I like both of those jets. Never seen'em before.
Go to the Luft '46 (http://www.luft46.com/) website; you'll find data on various of the 'what if' planes of the Luftwaffe, and behind the Luft Art (http://www.luft46.com/luftart.html) link is artwork of many of these planes, some amazingly well done.
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Originally posted by Jester
This is the aircraft we need next in AH.
Of course we will also need Meteors and P-80's to fight. ;)
We already have 2 LW jets - we need first Meteors and P-80 and also some other early/late war planes:
I-16,
Yak-1,
LaGG-3,
Do-17,
Ki-84
And some others before the LW jets.
But we do need Meteor!!!!
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why do we need p-80's?
we need them about as much as we need the DeHavilland Vampire.
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Originally posted by Furball
why do we need p-80's?
we need them about as much as we need the DeHavilland Vampire.
Actually there were operational P-80 at the end of WW2 in Italy (however they hadn't seen enemy).
And BTW why not Vampire!!!
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they sent 2 or so to italy for trials.
WE MUST HAVE IT IN AH! OMG!
the RAF's first operational Meteor squadron was No. 616 squadron on 12th July 1944.
616 history:-
On July 12th 1944 616 Squadron became the first Squadron in the RAF, and that of the Allies, to become operational with Jet aircraft. They first saw action with their new Gloster Meteor 1's on July 27th with 'anti-diver' patrols. These were interception and destroy missons against the German V1 flying or buzz bomb which first launched against on England soon after D-Day in June 1944. Their first V1 kill was by Flying Officer 'Dixie' Dean who flew up alongside the V1 and tipped it over after his cannon failed to fire. He was actually reprimanded for this action as it damaged the wingtip of what was considered a very rare and important aircraft. The allies overran the VI launching sites shortly after but not before 616 squadron could claim a total of 13 destroyed.
A detachment of four meteors were sent to Holland as a prelude to the squadron moving to the front line. Shortly after arrival on the continent they were painted all white so as to be easily seen by friendly troops. Before being painted white they had been confused with the German ME262 and had attracted friendly fire by ground troops and by other allied aircraft while on combat patrol. Once the remainder of squadron arrived in Holland in 1945 they were tasked with Ground Attack Missions at which they proved highly effective. In the short time that they were operational before the war ended in 1945 they destroyed a great many enemy trucks, trains and aircraft on the ground although they were unable to claim an air-to-air victory. Had they not been prevented from flying over enemy territory by orders designed to prevent the Meteor from falling into German hands they would probably have been even more successful.
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Ok, you right P-80 is one of the last in the list of the planes we need, but if we could have it I would like to see it too........ after lot of others.
But Gloster Meteor we really need as non-axis jet fighter
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Originally posted by artik
We already have 2 LW jets
No, we have 1 LW jet and 1 LW rocket.
But, same diffrance
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I just love how one person suggests adding a plane. And immediately everyone jumps into the thread in a paranoid frenzy denouncing the idea in favor of their own like HTC is really going to add a plane because someone posted a picture on the BBS. Deep breaths people.... deeeeeeeep breaths......
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Originally posted by Soulyss
HTC is really going to add a plane because someone posted a picture on the BBS.
yay! :D
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/images/limage_xvgr4_08.jpg)
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/images/limage_arctic_gr7_5.jpg)
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Originally posted by Nod
No, we have 1 LW jet and 1 LW rocket.
Jets:
Ar234
Me262
Rocket:
Me163
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Although the idea of getting the Panavia Tornado is attractive; remembering the external view from the air-combat simulation 'Tornado' (still the best mission-planning functionality I've seen), being able to come booming over a runway right as a mission takes off, my JP233 submunitions pod dumping mines and runway-cratering bombs in all directions, brings a certain warm feeling to my heart. You can only approximate it with the internal load of 50kg bombs on a Ju-88 formation or 100-lb bombs on a B-17 formation... tracking fourteen 1,000-lb bombs down a runway with a Lancaster just seems like overkill that way... :D
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I can't see how the P-80 should be included: it was never operational in WWII: a few were in Italy for evaluation purposes. If we get into that realm then we end up with Hawker Furies and ultimately all the Luft '46 as well and we enter total fantasy land.
The Meteor was the only operational allied jet during WWII and I'd like to see it included at some point.
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Love the pictures you found Jester and Shiva. Thanks for sharing with us.
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From my point of view there are only three jets that are appropriate to include in AH that are not already in AH.
The He162, Meteor Mk I and Meteor Mk III.
The Meteor Mk I is useless, IMHO, and that leaves only the He162 and Meteor Mk III.
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I know this thread is a joke to post pictures, but...
Buzz Bombs....
It would be cool to intercept V-1 Buzz Bombs and flip them into a spin.... what's the chance on getting them?
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Or we could snag these planes since all of 'em are based on an existing model....
P-47M
P-47N
Ki-100
N1K-1
P-40N
P-38J
P-38F
D3A2
A6M3
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Fw 190 A9
Fw 190 F9
Fw 190 D11
Fw 190 D13
Me 262 A2
Hs 129 B3
Ju 188
He 177
He 219
Me 410
Ju 88 G
Do 217
P47 M
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Originally posted by Mathman
Jesus ****in christ some of you guys take this **** way too seriously.
Mo-****ing-hammed!
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Fw 190 A9
Fw 190 F9
Fw 190 D11 <-- 7 prototypes built, never saw service
Fw 190 D13 <-- One-off prototype, never saw service
Me 262 A2
Hs 129 B3 <-- Don't have it
Ju 188
He 177 <-- Don't have it
He 219 <-- Don't have it
Me 410 <-- Don't have it
Ju 88 G
Do 217 <-- Don't have it
P47 M
Wil, my short list above was based on the fact that using parts from existing aircraft to build a new one is faster than building a whole new AC from scratch. Pyro said this in an Fw-190 thread from some years ago when someone asked about the Ta-152. Some of the AC you listed though have no model in AH that you could scavage for parts.
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So Flakbait? I had no intention to only have existing planes (variatns) on my list. Those are the planes I want most, doesn't matter wether they have variants in the game or not.
No need to point out which ones we don't have or have as I am very familiar with it and as I've flown AH for a long time.
And I do know that your short list was based on planes we already have, but like I said, I had no intentions to do that.
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Just my $.02, but we need the 190A-3 more than any of those later 190 planes. Japan, Italy, and Russia, in that order are the countries that most need new planes added IMO. The big 3 (US, UK, Germany) even though there are more planes needed for them, for right now they have plenty.
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...we have a terrain editor.
...why not an aircraft design tool?
Granted Fester may be the only person who models new aircraft but then again he should get promoted to Honorary HT employee anyway.
That way we can biatch and moan about the new models people put out instead of the new maps.
A future whine topic has been recorded ... :lol
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Adogg people mess with physics in a plane creator program.
look at the Microsoft Flight simulator add ons.
some very wierd ones.
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why not go to this site and have all the world war II aircraft avaliable for AH!!
Go to site (http://www.aviation-central.com/1940-1945/ae000.htm)
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I think yall should put in the B-29, it was the one that dropped the atomic bomb anyway.
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FARK! Is this one still going! GEEZE you guys got too much time on your hands! :rofl
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Originally posted by Turbo11
I think yall should put in the B-29, it was the one that dropped the atomic bomb anyway.
I hope your smeging joking, do a search on this forum for: nuke, a bomb, a-bomb.
Now see the general view that most people DON'T want it.
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I know it missed the war and didn't see action in WWII, but I'd really like to see it modeled anyway.
this:
(http://www.arcat.it/wallpaper/fanta/big/star%20trek%20enterprise.jpg)
it will fit in nicely with the B29, TA-183, Me-329 and the other crap.
Bozon
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Next they'll tell they're serious...
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I do really like to see new Aircraft after AH2 is completely finish and I would like to see:
GERMANY
Dornier Do 17Z
Dornier Do 217E
Heinkel He 111H-3
Heinkel He 117A-5 (Would be nice to have heavy bomber for German)
Heinkel He 219 (Night Fighter)
Focke Wulf FW 200C-3 (Reconnaissance bomber :D)
Junkers Ju 52/3m (For Germans Transport Aircraft)
Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4 (I don't know if they see action)
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What's wrong with the B-29? I don't get why yall don't want it. It was one of the best WWII planes ever made and the most important. Thanks to it, we won the war, besides, it's real anyway, not like those other ones you put with those Hi-Tech weapons that can destroy anything in it's path compared to the other WWII planes. :confused:
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b29
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We need b29
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"we" don't need nor want b29.
"we" don't need nor want late uber 1945 planes that saw action for 2 months in an already won war.
"we" do need and want planes that were manufactured in tousands an saw a few years of combat.
"we" need and want mid-war planes, Japanese, Russian, Italian of all sorts, another LW bomber, allied medium bomber, P39.
"we" thank you.
Bozon
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Originally posted by bozon
"we" don't need nor want b29.
"we" don't need nor want late uber 1945 planes that saw action for 2 months in an already won war.
"we" do need and want planes that were manufactured in tousands an saw a few years of combat.
Very few WWII planes fit that specification. The P-51D, 109A8, 190D9, N1K2, Yak-9U, La-7, Spit14, Ta-152, Me262, Me163, Tempest, F4U4, F4U-C ... and probably a few I forgot did not serve more than one year and/or were not produced in thousands. Would you want these planes removed from the game? If not, then how can you not accept new planes that served for less than "a few years" and were produced in less than "thousands"?
I do however agree that early-mid war planes should have priority.
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The P-51D, 109A8, 190D9, N1K2, Yak-9U,Spit14, were mass produced and served more then 2 months and were the backbone of their respective airforces at the time.
the me163 is a gimmic and well restricted to HQ defense besides being perked.
what would you do with a B-29? have a Lanc with more guns then a B-17 suicied dive bomber?
what effect did it have on the war? Entering service while it was no longer needed and carring a big fat bomb that you don't even need to aim with, dropped from the stratosphere?
uniqe rare planes are nice to have - perked. Still, "we" don't need them.
Bozon
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P-39 with Russian markings...
...nuff said
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this game will nevr be complete without the B-29... nuff said :)
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Yall are just scared that the B-29 is too tough for you.
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Find a runway big enough to use a B-29; we don't have one. Plus some fields would require a redesign so you wouldn't rip the wings off or blow engines. Any object within 50 feet of the runway would have to get moved because of prop clearance. The B-29's outboard props only clear the ground by two feet, the inboards by 18 inches. Runways in AH are barely long enough to fly a fully-loaded Lanc, and some folks (dweebs) have enough trouble using a B-17 that's loaded up to max weight. AH2 makes things even worse since the trees run fairly close to the end of some runways. Plus, take a look at the B-29's specs: time to climb from sea level to 20k is 38 minutes with a full fuel load + bombs. In 38 minutes in AH you'd be past the target and half way home! Range is over 3,000 miles with a 5,000 lbs bomb load, again something we don't need. Cutting fuel load to stuff more bombs in the bay wouldn't make any sense cause you'd still have the same time to climb only with a shorter range. Attacking from under 20k would be suicide unless you didn't mind blowing 200 perks before you drop a single bomb. Every fighter in enemy territory would be after you once word got out.
If you realy want to fly a B-29, go download one for M$FS; there's several available. We'd get more use out of an He-111 or a B-24 than a B-29.
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Originally posted by Turbo11
Yall are just scared that the B-29 is too tough for you.
Save B-29 best for last UNTIL AH2 have completely have all Country planes.
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I'd like to see someone try to get a b29 off the CV deck :cool: