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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: LAWCobra on April 05, 2004, 07:10:36 PM
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U.S. Commanders Mull More Troops in Iraq
Mon Apr 5, 5:04 PM ET
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By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - U.S. military commanders have begun studying ways they might increase troops in Iraq (news - web sites) should violence spread much more widely, a senior officer said Monday.
Generals believe they have enough forces to handle the attacks that have been coming from various quarters, including the recent violence by a Shiite militia group, but they want to know what is available if the situation gets worse, said the officer, briefing reporters on condition of anonymity
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Its Viet, not Veit. :D
dago
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You are correct
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More like Good Mornin' IRAQ!:D
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Originally posted by Rafe35
More like Good Mornin' IRAQ!:D
Was making the point of esculation that reminded me of viet nam.
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Someone would have to have pretty big nuts to play Russia to Iraqs Vietnam.
Not going to happen.
Much more likely is someone playing USA to Iraqs Afganisitan. Trickle arms in to make it painful for the US to be there.
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"Someone would have to have pretty big nuts to play Russia to Iraqs Vietnam. Not going to happen."
Already is. It's the Muslim world and here's some of what's been happening....
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=820
and reading this you can see how skrewed up and volatile the sitation is...
http://www.keepmedia.com/ShowItemDetails.do?item_id=366991
and then realise that unlike the USSR (and US) the fanatical Muslim world is more than happy to kill themselves en masse if need be to pursue thier goals/ideals.
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Even if true, that article describes a more Russian-Afganistan situration then a US-Vietnam situation.
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Pongo can you see that we(the USA) are digging in deeper there in Iraq?
I am afraid Of esculation and I hope we do It right this time.
I always fear another viet nam because it is so easy to fall into that trap!
As you can see Iraq Is fixin to be in a civil war and we gonna be smack dab in the middle of it .
We are gonna have to either get ugly and bloody on this one or just come home and spare more Americans lives.
Dont get me wrong I am all for the removal of SH.
And trying to build a democracy IF thats what the majority of Iraqis want.
I will always stand behing our troops and I am trying to stand behind the President on this one as well.
But something about these latest developments scares me a lot.
I pray for the troops.
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Even a very causual historian of Vietnam should know that that level of sustained combat and casualties is light years beyond where Iraq is or is even forseable to get too. Maybe Im just sticking to my own pre conceived notions. But the idea of the whole arab world getting a big enought hard on for Uncle Sam to get really involved in Iraq just seems like a non starter to me. And thats what it would take.
The accelerated level of casualites that the US has been taking in the last 3 weeks(3 per day or so?) is still a very small fraction of what was typical in Vietnam I believe.
The Iraqi insurgents ability to spring a Tet like shocker is also very limited I would think. This is about what they can do...local flare ups with surges in coelition casualties. Enought to drive it home they are not going to stop..but not enough to force the US to leave.
When casualites are 10 per day then there might be issues of continueing.
They are not considering new troops because to many are dieing..they just are realizing that they need more to surround everyone that hates them..
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Originally posted by Pongo
Even a very causual historian of Vietnam should know that that level of sustained combat and casualties is light years beyond where Iraq is or is even forseable to get too. Maybe Im just sticking to my own pre conceived notions. But the idea of the whole arab world getting a big enought hard on for Uncle Sam to get really involved in Iraq just seems like a non starter to me. And thats what it would take.
The accelerated level of casualites that the US has been taking in the last 3 weeks(3 per day or so?) is still a very small fraction of what was typical in Vietnam I believe.
The Iraqi insurgents ability to spring a Tet like shocker is also very limited I would think. This is about what they can do...local flare ups with surges in coelition casualties. Enought to drive it home they are not going to stop..but not enough to force the US to leave.
When casualites are 10 per day then there might be issues of continueing.
They are not considering new troops because to many are dieing..they just are realizing that they need more to surround everyone that hates them..
Seem Uncle Sam is not here around
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That looks cumulative..I think the total dead were 50k
So the worst was 10000 a year or so..or 20 times the current rate in Iraq.
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It's a mess.
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Bush got one thing right when he said it was a different war.
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Who knows? This could be the US's Afghanistan throught the next decade.
Considering the vague and substanceless optimism of all the "new millenium" muck spewed from the media in 2001 went right down the drain with the new millenium's first air strikes and bombings initiated by the US, I'd say there's high chance this millenium(or at least, this century) should be pretty much the same as the last one.
But really, when the tattering and battering gets worse, the US can just call it quits and leave the Middle East in a chaotic situation - so it might be over soon.
And then, after in about twenty years, they'd support another pro-US dictator in that region, and then see him become a threat again, and then will probably merrily march in and bomb the whole region again for the "safety of the world".
It's a classic pattern ain't it?
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lmfao....
the muslim world can give 2 farts in the wind for other muslims ..they have let each other die..and have killed each other many more tiems then we ever have...
you may hear them cry..but its just lip service...why didnt they all cry about kosovo?well not cry..but be active about it...How many muslisms did Soddom kill?..Any other muslim countries help...What about Iran Iraq wars..ya..happy muslim killn
its gona work..and we are drawing out many wackos to kill in Iraq...great hunting ground i believe to do this..way bettr then big cities and jungles..
I pray and support our Men and women that they are extremly efficient in KIlling -capturing all of them who want no peace and no democracy...
btw..salute you Nam vets..horrible losses :(..makes me very sad everytiem i see that stuff....never forget
BiGB
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"Even if true, that article describes a more Russian-Afganistan situration then a US-Vietnam situation."
Both of those situations (and Iraq now) were more alike than different IMO of course; Ambiguous, contrived and/or inflated reasons for involvement, outside influences and agitation cause MAJOR difficulties for the embroiled super-power, propping up of a puppet government, lack of popular support at home AND abroad.... etc, etc.
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But militarily and economically they are entirely different.
Iraq has no one to shovel them weapons, they are I would guess probably relying on weapons that were allready there.
Also, Neither Vietnam nor Afganisitan had anything the invader really wanted. Iraq is sitting on one of the most valuable treasures in the world.
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Originally posted by Pongo
But militarily and economically they are entirely different.
Iraq has no one to shovel them weapons, they are I would guess probably relying on weapons that were allready there.
Also, Neither Vietnam nor Afganisitan had anything the invader really wanted. Iraq is sitting on one of the most valuable treasures in the world.
Pongo Every Muslim country in the world will be more than glad to help with weapon and monet for Iraq to defeet the infadels.
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Who cares if you can sneak a dozen AKs into Iraq?
Try to get 400 stinger class manpads in there in such a way that the US cant tell from the residuals where they came from....
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Pongo can you see that we(the USA) are digging in deeper there in Iraq?
I am afraid Of esculation and I hope we do It right this time.
I always fear another viet nam because it is so easy to fall into that trap!
As you can see Iraq Is fixin to be in a civil war and we gonna be smack dab in the middle of it .
We are gonna have to either get ugly and bloody on this one or just come home and spare more Americans lives.
Dont get me wrong I am all for the removal of SH.
And trying to build a democracy IF thats what the majority of Iraqis want.
I will always stand behing our troops and I am trying to stand behind the President on this one as well.
But something about these latest developments scares me a lot.
I pray for the troops.
I don't agree with you much, but I agree with you onthis one...Prayers required.
I read Powell's book and I was 110% behind him and his views, regardless of his political affiliation, but recent developments make me reconsider all of this.
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I wonder how much ammo the Iraqi insurgents have. How much more explosive material they have. Eventually they will run out of ammo, explosives well that might last a while. Theres no way a civil war can be won by the Iraqi insurgents (without support and resupply), if they tried that, it would play right into the hands of the coalition forces.