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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SunTracker on April 08, 2004, 11:48:42 AM
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Heres some neat things I've seen at airshows-
(1) After hearing the announcer saying a pair of F-16s were coming, two F-16s fly over the crowd in full afterburner at about 500 feet. There was a hush over the crowd before the 16s arrived, so it was amazingly loud.
(2) As it was getting a dusk, a B-1b did a slow roll over the Ohio River with about 20 feet flames shooting out of its engines.
(3) Wierd condensation clouds forming on the wings and fuse of an F-15 flying at about 100mph (high AoA).
Some of the lamer things I've seen at airshows have been :
Thunderbirds (flew too high and were very boring)
AH64s doing a mock attack
C-130s doing fly-bys
KC-135s
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Another cool show is that Waco biplane with the turbojet slung underneath.
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Best T-bird show I ever saw was at the graduation ceremony for the AFA in the 70's. Sat in the stands of the football stadium, and the entire show was pretty much at eye level. Stadium is kind of a horseshoe with the stands built into a mountain. When they announced "Ladies and Gentlemen... The Thunderbirds" They came in from behind the stands ... All 6 in formation low and loud. Very very cool.
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Nothing lame about a C-130 doing a RATO, too bad ya didn't get to see one of those.
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1. Masters of Disaster at the Salinas airshow last year.
2. Ohio ANG/NG mock air strike and air assault at US Airshow (Dayton) around 1985. Low level recon pass by RF-4, A-7 strike (4 ship) with F-4 CAP (4 ship), AH-1 guns pass (2 ship), Then 4 x CH-47 troop insert, troops capture field, C-130 lands and vehicles drive out. Whole thing took about 5-10 minutes. Huge pyro on the air strike and the AH-1 and all the troops were firing tons of blanks and popping smoke.
3. Same airshow, announcer directs crowd to look show left for skydivers, meanwhile B-1B comes in transonic from the right, full AB, scares the living crap out of everybody.
4. First time I saw the classic F-15 demo with the vertical zoom to 15k immediately after gear up.
5. Robert A. "Bob" Hoover, Shrike Commander demo and Old Yeller P-51 aerobatics. You don't appreciate the P-51 slow roll on takeoff until you try flying one in a good flight sim.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Nothing lame about a C-130 doing a RATO, too bad ya didn't get to see one of those.
Those are great, especially at night.
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The Canadian Snowbirds were disappointing. They took forever to get going, held the airshow hostage while they spent 5 minutes taxiing, then another 5-10 minutes getting up to speed a few miles away. When they finally did their show, it was... ok.
Now seeing Fat Albert (Blue Angels C-130) do a JATO takeoff, THAT'S cool.
I'd like to go to an airshow where, because of the location out in the boonies, they get clearance to go supersonic as part of the demonstration. That would be... most excellent.
I can see the brochure now: "PARKING $5 - You are advised to leave two car windows open at least an inch while parked to avoid any unfortunate side effects of the F-18 demonstration."
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its illegal to fly over the crowd at an airshow.
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Originally posted by Furball
its illegal to fly over the crowd at an airshow.
No, it is illegal to do tricks that have momentum toward the crowd.
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isnt flying over the crowd taking the momentum of the plane towards them then?
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The blues fly over crowds all the time.. Seen them many times in P-cola, Fl. The two solo planes really have a nak for sneaking up behind the crowd as all attention is placed on the other angels flying formation... Great show to see as well as fat albert doing it's JATO takeoff and demonstrating it's short runway landing ability..
dude
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may be a different rule in the US to UK
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On the 60th Battle of Britain Airshow at Duxford, the display included:
21 spits
9 hurricanes
6 mustangs
2 F6Fs
flying over the crowd.
As the announcer said, 'This is strictly not allowed, but I don't think any of you will complain'.
We didn't.
My enduring memory is seeing an old English guy who had tears in his eyes when he saw the spits and hurris. And then I noticed I had a tear in mine.
Ravs
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I believe MT is correct
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I don't know about in the US but in europe theres this 'Utterly Butterly' spearman Bi-planes with the supposed 'wing walkers' who are straped left, right and center to the planes, now THEY SUCK!!
But the red arrows rule!!
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Ah the Red Arrows every time, the moment when their commentator says 'Ladies and Gentlemen. The Red Arrows!' and they flash over your head from behind always sends shivers down my spine. Last saw them perform over the famous Galway bay. Even the sun came out on cue. Magic.
Other moments were a trio of F111's flashing past on a misty day with the condensation illustrating the shockwaves coming off the wings.
A trio of F15's flying past. going vertical and heading directly for an airliner pulling a contrail overhead. He thought he was under attack by the Irish Air Force. LOL If only.
An RF4 with such a low flypast that the commentators felt the heat of his afterburner.
Most remarkable of all was seeing the British display pilot Brian Lecomber putting on a scintillating display in his Pitts Special immediately after we all watched another airshow performer crash and burn in front of us. Amazing.
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MT is correct, no momentum towards the crowd...give it a few years and that will be changed too.
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When I was young... two Aussie Mirages came in low while the crowd was looking the other way, probably about twenty feet away. The must of been going damn fast because we never heard them til they were on us and they did a full AB zoom straight up til we lost visual. I can remember the crowd simulanteously jumping about 1 foot in the air :)
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watched the brazil team do a show off the USS Lexington museum a couple times, man alive those guys can fly.
The best....Bob Hoover doing the shrike commander energy management routine.
Never seen anything like that before or since, all dead stick.
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Just as a heads up....this is most likely the last year for the VF-101 F-14 Demo show. If they are appearing at an airshow near you, I would try and take the time to see it.
The F-15 show is nice, but F-14 show can't be beat :) (yeah I'm a little biased)
Neat tricks I saw them do when I was there: dirty double immelman on takeoff, the lowest low tranny I have ever seen (no more than 10 feet off the deck, prob around 6-8:eek: ), .98 Mach high speed pass, knife edge passes while sweeping the wings aft and fwd, and hell...just doing all that in 50k pound plus aircraft!
I've also seen Sean Tucker perform some stunts that are just unbelievable....craziest....l ow low speed knife edge pass 10 feet off the deck. :eek:
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Originally posted by Furball
may be a different rule in the US to UK
Planes are allowed to fly over the crowd, but as they say, no momentum towards the crowd. In other words you won't find any aircraft doing manouvres over the crowd.
In the UK they have a very strict flight line circuit which is normally above or the other side of the main runway.
One of the best, but basic, displays I saw was a pair of F-111s way back in around 1983/84 at RAF Mildenhall. I saw them screaming along with what looked like steam/condensation pouring out the intakes and then the next thing.... BOOM, BOOM... both had just broke the sound barrier! They got in BIG trouble for that; they're not permitted to break the sound barrier above the mainland.
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At intervals during the first half of the show, the announcer would ask for the owner of a white car lic# so and so please come to the security desk. Your car is blocking the vendor access.
Later on a chinook comes in at about 500ft with a white car slung under neath and lets it drop right in front of the crowd, while the announcer says "well we tried to tell you it was going to get towed".
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One of the best, but basic, displays I saw was a pair of F-111s way back in around 1983/84 at RAF Mildenhall.
Once saw a couple of F-111s doing low alt loops in the moonlight around RAF Coningsby. I was very young - was around the time of Libya strikes IIRC.
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ahh so its allowed to fly over the spectators, but not do aerobatics in a way so that momentum will take you towards the crowd.
got it, thanks for clearing that up :)