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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: -towd_ on March 01, 2000, 11:39:00 PM
just logged after tryin to fight the bishops and knights for hours we were down to 3 bases and had a group of bishops doin the 2 17s for ack and 9 fighters on spawn point crap to effortlessly take bases from us ,this is startin to happen alot , once again why are there 3 sides in a ww2 sim?
Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Saintaw on March 02, 2000, 12:57:00 AM
Has to do with HT's dreams & working too hard...GET A RAISE HT !!!   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Wardog on March 02, 2000, 01:09:00 AM
Your right,should be 4 sides   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Towd,ya jnow that every night is different countries thats out numbered. So whats the beef?

Just sit on the runway & be a nice still target!

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Swager on March 02, 2000, 06:50:00 AM
All countries take their turn getting boned!

"Getting Boned"  Just a fact of AH life once in awhile.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

But sitting an aircraft on the spawn point is probably the lowest scum on whale crap thing to do.  To be honest, that is the only way some pilots can score kills.

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: -duma- on March 02, 2000, 06:57:00 AM
I'm afraid the Spit V has just too damn fast a takeoff roll and turn rate. Without a HUGE cap, it's just become a whole lot harder for a C47 to get in a  base without this plane popping up, getting in the air and strafing a para in the space of a few seconds. So I sympathise with the sitting-on-the-runway, even if I don't and won't do it myself.

I'm just glad this will be fixed fairly soon with the ground vehicles.


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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: CavemanJ on March 02, 2000, 07:22:00 AM
 
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Originally posted by Swager:
All countries take their turn getting boned!

"Getting Boned"  Just a fact of AH life once in awhile.    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)



I guess the bishcuits and nits turns are only 1 day out of the week?  Which day is this, so I can restrict my flying activities to that day.  99.5% of the time it's a nit-bish gangbang on the rooks, with the nits and bish ignoring each other until they meet at field 3, 11, or 19 (depending on which land we rooks hold).  And even then I've seen bish bombers being protected by nit fighters and vice versa.

I think the bish and nits are just scared of the Rooks, which is why they are constantly gangbanging us.
Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Toad on March 02, 2000, 08:44:00 AM
Really, I think it stems back to the early Beta days. Rooks almost always had the numbers and used them to kick the stuff out of Bishland. Knights were barely represented but they got some hammering from Rookland too. Now that things are more even overall I think that there remains a "payback" attitude.

Also, I just think the side with the "most charming" personalities on Channel 1 gets the most attention.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Bragging of your country/squad/personal might and prowess on Arena Common seems to draw some attention. That isn't surprising, is it?

From what I see in the buffer, Rookland leads in "greatness broadcasts". Of course, I KNOW there's disagreement here; we all have our own perceptions.

Then when it "payback" time, the tears and sobbing begin.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

What goes around comes around and overall, each country takes it's turn in the barrel.

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: mason22 on March 02, 2000, 08:52:00 AM
"What goes around comes around and overall, each country takes it's turn in the barrel."


can ya hit a nail on the head any harder!!

I can recall many times i've come in to the arena with only 3 bish fields...and the Rooks seem to always have a few more in terms of pilot numbers than the Bish.


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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: ygsmilo on March 02, 2000, 08:53:00 AM
TOWD,

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I was in that in that mess at F4 last nite, one of the few times that I have participated in a "vultch" (usually I am in your situation trying to save a base) you and your fellow spit drivers just kept coming up keeping an effective defense.



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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: NATEDOG on March 02, 2000, 09:19:00 AM
man this topic kills me! I fly bishops, and I have always gone after the enemy... knights and rooks......... we always fight two fronts.. there is no secret tready, no secret pact, and it's nothin against rooks! there has been many time when i thought we were getting gang banged, then a rook gets online and say knights and bishops are gang bangin the rooks... again! i understand that if you are being attacked from both sides, by two different teams, you feel like everyones against you........ well they are! keep in mind that the other two teams are also being attacked from both sides, by two differtent teams.

that'll be two cents please........

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Kieren on March 02, 2000, 09:27:00 AM
And to add to that, numbers are usually 40:20:15, Rook:Bishop:Knight.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I hate it as much as anyone when a team is down to a couple fields with no reset, and have been vocal about it. Wish there was another way...
Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Mighty1 on March 02, 2000, 09:33:00 AM
It's funny to hear some of these guys moan and groan about other people playing fair when they are the worst out there.(nothing against you -towd_)

Who was it that would attack a country that had little to no fighters and take all but 3 bases then sit on them all day just so they could vulch and then got on open channel and brag about how good they were?

Who was it that did this on the night of a senario and made the comment that they might just keep it this way for a week?

I used to check the roster when I first came in so I could go to the side with the fewest # now I look to see where certain players are and go to the side they are picking on.(normally Knights)

I think Toad hit it pretty much on the head with the payback thing.

As far as teaming up against another side well..I've never done it nor have I been on a side that did it when I was there.(notice I said while I was there)



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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Minotaur on March 02, 2000, 09:41:00 AM
Gangbang?  Yep!

The last few days have been bad for the Rooks.  The Knits and the Biffs have forgoten how to fight each other.  That means that they both acknowledge the Rooks are the superior team and condsider them to be the most severe threat.  

Possibly, quite a compliment, but maybe in reality they are just being weiners.    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

I could post up several screen shots of the map to prove this, but then I would be considered a "Whiner".  (Which I am!    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )

Almost always, two teams will pick on one.  I suppose this is some kind of an "Go for the throat" instinct in the human animal.  

As to the subject of the "Gangbang". This is a very funny one.  For the two teams fighting against the one, it is called "Payback Time".  For the one team getting womped it is called a "GangBang".

Frustrating Yes!  Fun Yes!  I must say that it is more fun to be the "GangBanger" than the "GangBangee".  As for talking trash?  I might, because it is fun!

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: CavemanJ on March 02, 2000, 05:08:00 PM
 
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Originally posted by NATEDOG:
i understand that if you are being attacked from both sides, by two different teams, you feel like everyones against you........ well they are! keep in mind that the other two teams are also being attacked from both sides, by two differtent teams.

that'll be two cents please........


Watch the map closely Nate.  Let's assume the rooks are in the south, the bish west, and the nits north.  You'll see massive markers for the 7-8-21-22 area (rook-nit front) and for the 5-6-16-15 area (rook-bish front) and NOT A DAMN ONE in 13-14-23-24 area (nit-bish front).  This is damn near a nightly occurance.
There might be one bish or nit go make a milk run to bomb something and not get killed, but no base capturing or hq bombing or anything else to indicate a 2 front war.
Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Vermillion on March 02, 2000, 05:21:00 PM
Ah Caveman, we're wasting our breath.

Yesterday during the late afternoon, the odds were 23 Bishop, 17 Knights, and 9 Rooks. The Bish had taken both 23 and 24 earlier (Knight Fields).

Now just guess who they attacked? No guessing required.

Even though Knights (who I consider the swing team) were down two fields to Bish, they proceeded to attack us full force, while the Bish attacked us from the other direction. Oh but they were fighting a 2 front war so they claimed, of course the sector markers said there was a grand total of 3 people flying the Knight/Bish front, while the odds in Rookland were 37 to 9.

LOL!! I did everything I could to think to make them fight each other, including calling everyone in KnightLand a coward.

OH wait.... they were getting "payback".

So all the Rooks just went to the Training Arena in masse and worked on our 1 v 1 flying  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: weazel on March 02, 2000, 05:35:00 PM
 GEEZ-put a sock in it! Yes gangbanging occurs,but it depends on the time of the day who`s recieving it. Last night the Rooks numbers equaled the total of both Knights and Bishop and were rolling up our fields pretty quickly until a 3 B-17 strike took out your radar,and I followed up with a strike on your fuel and ack factories. The Knights have been banged more than any other country-but somehow we manage to survive.I think there is probably some "payback" factor involved here,suck it up and fight back using good tactics. FWIW, I normally attack Bishops though-seems the pilot quality is higher than the Rooks making for better fights.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Torque on March 02, 2000, 05:54:00 PM
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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Torque on March 02, 2000, 05:55:00 PM
 
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Originally posted by Torque:
Heh Dog of Nate.

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: AKDejaVu on March 02, 2000, 06:11:00 PM
I've been playing when 20 bish and 20 rooks were all flying out of former Knight bases with only 4 knights on.  Normally, after it happens, I see 1 or 2 people get on and complain about the 3 country setup.  What I don't normally see is the level of complaining that I'm seeing here.

Nothing that is happening to the Rooks right now is something that the other two countries haven't experienced twice as much.  Sure, its a little new to the rooks because they usually outnumber Knights and Bishops combined.

Crying about gangbanging is pure a and simple whining.

Now, the 3 country setup, OTH, is another story.  It lends itself to 1 country having to fight a 2 front war while the other two are simply playing the advantage.  Natedog, if you believe what you said about everyone fighting the 2 front war, you haven't been playing when I have.  It usually boils down to 2 countries hitting one with at most a minor scirmish on the second front for the two countries with numbers.  I see this more often than not.  To say it doesn't happen is being obtuse.

But.. what I also see happening is when 30 rooks are on.. they are all flying out of that 1 elevated field they captured in enemy territory... while the other country is sweeping through their bases.  Almost every total domination scenario is preceded by a total lack of coordination on the victim's behalf.

Have you ever been in a group of 8 fighters that went to attack an enemy base?  When you got there... most of you got tore up by ack because you didn't think to bring a bomber along with you?  Have you ever had a bomber cry "ack down" at a base... hop in it and vulch it till the ack came back with 5 countrymates whilst nobody even attempts to bring a 47 in?  I've seen both of these things happen when a country only had 10 players on-line.  Nobody is planning.. nobody is using strategy... everybody is looking for an easy kill.

Most of the people that posted in this thread would prefer the easy kill.  That's why you come in with as much of an alt/speed advantage as you can.  You would prefer to have a wingman when you attack another plane or have numbers when engaging.  I've seen 15 rooks attack a knight base when only 9 knights were on line.  I've been there when knights have attacked a rook base with similar numbers when rooks were down on headcount.

If you want things to change, change the way you do things.  I was vulching a field the other day when I asked repeatedly if a 47 was inbound.  Silence.  After the third request for a 47 I left the base.  3 of my countrymates showed up becuase they heard the word "vulch".  They took over and were all killed when 2 cons came in with alt from the adjacent nearby field.  I had told them "vulching is pointless if no 47 is coming in... you are draining our resources for the sake of score".  They didn't care.

Play to win the war not the score race.  You'll find that these things change.  Use real strategy.. not just do what you think is cool.  Taking 30 minutes to set up a "radar raid" on an enemy field that sucks half of your countries resources to take out a target that will be back up in 30 minutes is plain silly... yet the first question many ask when they get on line is "who wants to hit their radar?".

The main point I'm trying to get to is that the 3 country setup definately has an effect on the 2vs1 philosophy.  It is minor, however, compared to the total lack of coordination/forethought/strategy displayed by the country that is usally getting its bellybutton kicked.

AKDejaVu
Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: CavemanJ on March 02, 2000, 07:26:00 PM
DJV you've got some pretty good points there, but it dinnae change the fact that night after night after night the nits and bish ignore each other and both attack the rooks.
Yesterday morning and early afternoon it was a blast because all 3 countries were fighting 2 front wars, and you could clearly see it on the map.  But later in the evening and into the night it became the customary nit-bish gangbang on the rooks.
I've logged on and found the rooks embroiled in a major fight with the bishcuits, and watched the nits start jumping the bishcuits too.  TWC has then proceeded jump into the nits high and hard.  I'm sure you can remember several times where we rooks have grabbed 2 fields in quick succession, one of them being 3, 11, or 19, or just grabbing one of those 3 by itself.  It happens when either bish or nits actually try to jump into the exposed flank of which ever country is in the biggest fight with the rooks.  We turn it into a 2 front war for that country.

After reflection, I may start agreeing with Mino about why it happens.  We Rooks are the only country to push the other two down to only 2 fields each and hold them there for most of a day.  The only time the Rooks have been held to 2 fields it took both bish and nits working together to do it.
Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Camel on March 02, 2000, 07:52:00 PM
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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Swager on March 02, 2000, 08:16:00 PM
Verm,

You call someone a coward,  dosen't sound like you!!    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Minotaur on March 02, 2000, 08:22:00 PM
AKDejaVu;

I read your whole post.  I understand what you tried to say, I believe.  I am not attempting to inform you that you are wrong.  I am just letting you know I have a opinion that differs.

My opinion:
If you throw a "Gangbang" into the equation, the numbers only get worse.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Of course you must toss out the instance of the occasional strategic sneak attack.  IE: One team stealing the base next to a HQ with one BUFF and one Goony.  Etc...

Honestly, I really believe the player skill balance at this time is fairly equal between each team and not really a large factor.

Weazel;

LOL

Sure seems to be alot of JG2 who have been ganging our northern front.  I don't see too many of your teamates fighting on your western (The Knitwit) front.  

Be honest with me bro, tell me that we are the best.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)  

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Vermillion on March 03, 2000, 06:50:00 AM
Swager, it was intended as a taunt to try and get the Knights to seriously fight the Bishop for a change.

When your down almost 40 to 9 you'll try anything   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: AKDejaVu on March 03, 2000, 07:00:00 AM
 
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If one team is losing dramatically, most every time it is because they are outnumbered.

This it true sometimes... but it isn't necessarily the rule.  Often times it ends up being this way because most just quit when the going gets rough.  20:20 and one country starts capturing bases... 5 "screw this"'s later and its 20:15... now more bases are cap'd and 5 more quit.  The numbers aren't always the cause of the situation... they are just as often a result of it.

Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Mighty1 on March 03, 2000, 07:59:00 AM
Cave I don't know what your talking about. I was on almost all of last night(flying Knight) and we had 2 strong fronts going the whole time.

We had guys attacking 13,14 while we took 19,21,22,23 back then went to 7,8. So where was this gangbanging?

You guys need to give it a rest...Yeesh!

You guys sound like the school bully who gets picked on by an older bully.Sniff sniff it's not fair..he's picking on me sniff sniff.

Cavemanj:
"After reflection, I may start agreeing with Mino about why it happens. We Rooks are the only country to push the other two down to only 2 fields each and hold them there for most of a day."


This is not hard to do when you outnumber the other sides 2:1.(I've come in to see it 30:11:6 rooks bish Knights before and bish/Knights down to 2 bases each and cave bragging about how good he is)

You guys don't do well when the # are close to even..then it's "sniff sniff this isn't fair"

"The only time the Rooks have been held to 2 fields it took both bish and nits working together to do it."

I don't EVER remember trying to hold ANY side down to 2 bases...EVER!

IMO that shows no class or honor at all.
We(most Knights) go for a reset or nothing at all.

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Pongo on March 03, 2000, 09:05:00 AM
AKDV
I have to agree with most of what you said.
We rooks seem to have ended up with a large chunk of new players in the 4-10 pacific time frame...People are not reading the country radio, people are not coordinating.
Ask repeatedly if a goon is going to a field or a bomber and when you get there there are 2 goons or 3 bombers...no fighters left.

Honestly when people feel overwhelmed and they look at the dar for an hour and the 3rd front is empty, they are going to complain about it. I think that Nate was out of line. Its like squeaking about someone who complains that someone shot his chute, his chute was shot so that he would complain, it doesnt break anybodys heart that he does so.
(within reason)
When we finaly got the last bish out of field 2 and started the offensive last night against the bish I could tell from the chatter that it was the first time crossing the mountains for a more than a few of the guys. It was nice to be able to get some worthwhile instruction going on country channel.

But I have to agree with AKDJ about yesterday. We made ourselves good targets.
As we get some of the new rooks in the fold and more roundly experianced we will start having more success.


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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: CavemanJ on March 03, 2000, 09:24:00 AM
 
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Originally posted by Mighty1:

This is not hard to do when you outnumber the other sides 2:1.(I've come in to see it 30:11:6 rooks bish Knights before and bish/Knights down to 2 bases each and cave bragging about how good he is)

Actually, the night I'm remembering the numbers were pretty even around the board, and we did start pushing for the reset.  The nits got really tenacious about the reset and delayed for an hour or so while the bish grabbed back a field.  But we got it.

Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: Shamus on March 03, 2000, 11:55:00 AM
Well last night was the Bishops turn in the barrel, it was brutal!!!.

Nits to the north and a zillion rooks streaming in from the south.

But being a vulchee can be fun for a while too, don't want the K/D ratio to get too good, makes you think your better than you really are  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

I want to thank Nicoli for his attempt to help me out, but please forgive me Nicoli for not believing that you were being 100% forthcoming (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: why the gang bangin ?
Post by: BaneX on March 03, 2000, 01:35:00 PM
Just thought I'd add my 2cents in here.

I tend to believe that most of the players here want to be where the action is. Now I would say about 60 - 70 % of the time the rooks have the largest number of flyers on which would lead people to head towards the rook fields cause that's where the majority of the action can be found most of the time. I don't think it is a conscious effort to gang bang one side or the other. Maybe for some yes it is. Possibly because it is much easier to stay alive in a large group than by yourself. With the caliber of pilots in here I tend to fly with more than one person as I am only an average to middling pilot myself. This can be seen as gang banging when it's smart survival tactics.

Just my thoughts on the matter.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)


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