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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: beet1e on April 10, 2004, 09:31:42 AM
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My O’Club gun mentors have been at pains to impress upon me that an increase in the number of guns will result in less crime, not more. American states which have introduced concealed carry permits have (we are told) seen their homicide rates drop. “Our government has no right to tell me what type of guns I should be allowed to have for my own defence”, proclaims il capo di tutti capi of the AH Guns-R-US lobby. Of course, the rest of the world sits open mouthed in amazement when reviewing certain statistics which belie these assertions, but that’s not what I’m here to discuss today.
In Iraq, we (the allied forces of occupation) have a serious problem in the form of civil uprising. What can be done? Much of the danger seems to stem from snipers with Kalashnikovs and from young men armed with rocket propelled grenades. B-b-but… more guns = less crime, right? Ah! I get it… there aren’t enough armed civilians in Iraq. More guns could be the answer. Distribute more Kalashnikovs. Legalise concealed carry. In preparation for Iraqi democracy, the people should be indoctrinated with the belief that their government does not have the right to tell them what kind of weapons they are allowed to have for their defence. Children under 12 could carry Bulgarian Mackarovs. Women wearing burquas would not find it difficult to conceal a Kalashnikov under there, so they could be made safe. All males above the age of 14 should be allowed grenade launchers. Every family dwelling should be given a belt-fed machine gun.
More Guns Less Crime! The solution is simple! :aok
What are the allies waiting for? How many guns have they distributed amongst citizens to combat the current bout of lawlessness? How many grenade launchers? How many belt-fed machine guns? Erm… well none, actually.
Funny how the allies are avoiding taking the one obvious step that could solve the current crisis.
Why’s that then? :confused:
Toodle-Pip (till Monday)
;)
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I knew warm beer didn't instil super mental bbs powers, but this is just embarrassing.
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Originally posted by beet1e
My O’Club gun mentors have been at pains to impress upon me that an increase in the number of guns will result in less crime, not more. American states which have introduced concealed carry permits have (we are told) seen their homicide rates drop. “Our government has no right to tell me what type of guns I should be allowed to have for my own defence”, proclaims il capo di tutti capi of the AH Guns-R-US lobby. Of course, the rest of the world sits open mouthed in amazement when reviewing certain statistics which belie these assertions, but that’s not what I’m here to discuss today.
In Iraq, we (the allied forces of occupation) have a serious problem in the form of civil uprising. What can be done? Much of the danger seems to stem from snipers with Kalashnikovs and from young men armed with rocket propelled grenades. B-b-but… more guns = less crime, right? Ah! I get it… there aren’t enough armed civilians in Iraq. More guns could be the answer. Distribute more Kalashnikovs. Legalise concealed carry. In preparation for Iraqi democracy, the people should be indoctrinated with the belief that their government does not have the right to tell them what kind of weapons they are allowed to have for their defence. Children under 12 could carry Bulgarian Mackarovs. Women wearing burquas would not find it difficult to conceal a Kalashnikov under there, so they could be made safe. All males above the age of 14 should be allowed grenade launchers. Every family dwelling should be given a belt-fed machine gun.
More Guns Less Crime! The solution is simple! :aok
What are the allies waiting for? How many guns have they distributed amongst citizens to combat the current bout of lawlessness? How many grenade launchers? How many belt-fed machine guns? Erm… well none, actually.
Funny how the allies are avoiding taking the one obvious step that could solve the current crisis.
Why’s that then? :confused:
Toodle-Pip (till Monday)
;)
Beetle, gun laws or any other law matter very little in a country at war.
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Originally posted by NUKE
gun laws or any other law matter very little in a country at war.
For some reason, that sentence seems a little odd.
BTW, how many more guns do they need? But fret not, article 17 should take care of the gun situation.
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Guns allow people to overthrow their government. Since we just threw out their government and are acting in it's stead, we really don't want them shooting at us. Isn't this kinda obvious? I know I know Bett1e, you were just trying to make a point. Sorry but it really is logical for a bit of gun control in their country just now. Once a new constitution of their own making and government of their own choosing is in place they can have all the dang guns they want.
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Wow, it's amazing you can even manage to work a computer to type this stuff.
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lol Beet1e.
:aok
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No
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Beet, the petrol goes in the tank, not in your inhaler.
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WE don't need to distribute guns to Iraquis. They can get 'em from Pakistan I think.
The whole idea of our Constitution is based on rational thinking people such as our forefathers were. It was designed for the United States as our Constitution. We have not imposed our Constitution on Great Britain, and we're not going to impose it on Iraq. Or I should say, it's too bad they don't have a constitution like ours. Maybe one day they will have, but it's up to them to to make it so.
Beet1e, I'm surprized at you. Trying to equate the two (our Constitutional rights for law abiding citizens) and those of another country at which we are at war for comparison. I mean that was what you're getting at in a roundabout way. So please explain. I don't understand why you suggest we grant 2nd amendment rights to people in a country with which we are at war. 2nd amendment rights are guaranteed to American citizens. That's who the rights apply to.
Rights not to be found anywhere else in the world.
Beet1e
Les
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What we are seeing is the ability of an armed militia to overthrow an opressive government!! Have to go and see if there's a pic of George W next to the word Irony in my dictionary.
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What we're seeing is the pride of Muslims rejecting the great Satan. Or so they've been led to believe from the cradle. Doesn't help any that their indignation has been further fueled by so many anti-American zealots throughout Europe.
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That easy CAUSE THERE IDIOTS!!
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Damn, how many times do I have to squelch RC51/59bassman/LAWcobra/bullett308/tard?
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Originally posted by bullett308
That easy CAUSE THERE IDIOTS!!
You make a great argument for American gun control. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Airhead
You make a great argument for American gun control. :rolleyes:
True there are idjits on every continant
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Originally posted by SOB
Damn, how many times do I have to squelch RC51/59bassman/LAWcobra/bullett308/tard?
I think the 30 day lease on LAWcobra expired.
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No kidding? Man, when you lease stuff you're just putting money in "the man's" pocket. He should really look into buying...it's an investment, you know!
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Oh, It's saturday again...the weeks really fly don't they?
It feels like its only been a week since last time :)
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More guns = less crime? – why not try it in Iraq?
What amazing logic. No wonder NZ isn't as safe as the US :lol
...-Gixer
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Beet1e don't forget the need for that RPG because when an APC, or assault team is trespassing in your house. For only a fool would wait for the police to arrive too late :D
I'm waiting for the armed citizen postings to include armed Iraqi's defending their homes with RPK's RPG's, and the like....
Tronsky
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Originally posted by SOB
Damn, how many times do I have to squelch RC51/59bassman/LAWcobra/bullett308/tard?
Thankfully I only will have to squelch your silly arse once:aok
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The irony is that a few hundred years ago the Colonial British would probably have said the same thing you guys are saying about not wanting to arm the Iraqi's population :D
So if the Iraqi's demand a right to bear arms clause in their constitution whats the "pro-gun" take on that?
Nuke, Funked, Creamo, etc, how does that hook feel in yer mouth?
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Originally posted by Curval
lol Beet1e.
:aok
Curval stop using that emoticon - it makes you look... sniperish.
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Originally posted by SOB
Damn, how many times do I have to squelch RC51/59bassman/LAWcobra/bullett308/tard?
aren't they all the same person?
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
aren't they all the same person?
I think only a professional can answer that.
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Aye Aye Vulcan. Let's try again.
lol Beet1e.
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well... if you are one that feels that militias are passe and that human nature and governments in general have become so civilized that they, and their firearms are not needed and, that an armed militia is no match for a powerful government with high tech weapons then...
regardless of how you feel about the terrorosts/milita/freedom fighters/outside agitators... they are doing pretty well against a very powerful and technical countrys army with basic weapons... no air power and trying to hide in a country that is ..... friggin sand.. the closest thing to cover is a mud mosque. Imagine if they had a majority following.
Now.... If I were on the side of the majority in that country and owned property.... I would want to be armed... the only "more guns = less crime" that would matter to me would be me having more guns to protect me from crime. In the end... the people of Iraq will need to be armed if they are to be free.
The U.S. realizes this and allowed citizens to keep their weapons so long as it was for personal use.
As for NZ... well.... we could send you guys a few of our gang members... maybe just a couple hundred thousand or so and they would decimate your tiny little island like army ants... you would be crying to have guns to defend yourself.
But... It's your countries... run em as you please... trample the rights of your citizens to own firearms and protect themselves. that is fine... most socialist big government rules don't sit well with Americans tho.
In Soviet Russia the crime rate was very low and few citizens had weapons. The UK places are much like that... And... it will work so long as you don't suffer even worse econmic downturns or allow the "wrong" people to imigrate.... keep your little islands isolated and under an oppressive socialist government and you should be fine until the money runs out.
lazs
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and yes beetle... you simply can't argue that more guns = less crime is a falacious statement in the U.S. you have been beaten severly on that one too many times. As for "the rest of the world" on this BB... well... the BB polls of what these people on this BB think show that the overwhelming majority feel that their country's firearms laws are too strict. (of course your poll proved that very few wanted firearms to be passed out to children and prisoners) so they may cancel out.
besides... who want's to be reduced to hatchet and machete weilders when the zombies start rising? In england you guys will be running and crying like little girls while here we will be firing up the coon dogs and putting limits on the zombies so as to not over hunt them... Zombie tags will be handed out on a lottery system and there will need to be zombie preserves.
lazs
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ahh the old "protect yourselves from the zombies" argument!!
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irrefutable tho. contrast 28 days later with dawn of the dead.
in the end... only guns will save us.
plus... ya gotta admit... the zombie arguement is much more relevant than the original post.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Zombie tags will be handed out on a lottery system and there will need to be zombie preserves.
lazs
LOL
I think you can give Airhead a run for his money Lazs. :D
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The Iraqi's need (my opinion)
1. more guns the bigger the better
2. daily air drops of alcohol, porn and ammunition pipe in MTV for good measure.
3. us to step back and watch
problem solved in 3 weeks
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"As for NZ... well.... we could send you guys a few of our gang members... maybe just a couple hundred thousand or so and they would decimate your tiny little island like army ants... you would be crying to have guns to defend yourself."
Not much chance of that old chap, the Maori's would eat them. But I'm sure even for a tiny little island (love the I'm bigger then you deragatory statement) the biggest gang in our country could handle them easily, plus they have a bonus that the law is on their side. Their called the police.
...-Gixer
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Lasz...you should watch that film 'Once were warriors'.
Maories are tough! And big!
Ravs
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Great film though i found it deeply deeply disturbing.
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Get the biggest toughest meanest sob's you can find, choose 15 of them, give them a rugby ball - then introduce them to the All Blacks.....
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make the man some eggs....
Tronsky
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wow gixer... we shoulda thought of that. We could stop the mexican and black and russian and asian gangs by simply.... what was it you do? Oh, hire policemen. I guess if it got too bad we could simply give the policemen guns.
If our gang members didn't wipe out your indiginous bad guys they would.... hire em. It's the American way.
and shad... we aren't talking 15 of anyone here or sports.
lazs
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Well in my defence if we can bring in the zombie argument we should at least be able to talk about rugby too.
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I am too old and weak to play rugby with anyone but BB guys but....
I'm still strong enough to sqeeze a trigger.
lazs
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Does Iraq even have gun laws?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Guns allow people to overthrow their government. Since we just threw out their government and are acting in it's stead, we really don't want them shooting at us. Isn't this kinda obvious?
Oh OK. So the US government lets you keep your guns just in case you decide you can't wait till November to get rid of Bush.
Quite a few people here have mentioned the US being "at war" with Iraq. I thought the war was between the US-led alliance and the Iraqi regime led by Saddam, who was deposed on April 9th,2003. The hostilities that have occurred since are not technically acts of war, but a civil uprising. But I accept that the word "war" could be used as a euphemism for the severe hostilities taking place in Iraq.
The British stand-up comedian Jasper Carrott once focussed on people's obsession with dieting and weight loss, during one of his shows. (Jasper himself is quite a thin guy) He pondered over why people would spend fortunes going to weight loss farms, seeing dieticians and trying different diets which never seemed to work. One he'd got the audience into a frenzy of laughter, he announced that the answer to the western world's obesity problem was simple!!! "This hole here..." he thundered, pointing at his mouth "...is bigger than this hole here!!" he added, pointing at his arse. Thus, the current fat trend was analysed in less than 10 words! :lol
What would Jasper have had to say about guns? I don't think he would have bothered considering the "guns don't kill" rhetoric. He needn't even have looked at the homicide stats, as these would have told him nothing he didn't already know. He'd have said something like "It's bleedin' obvious! The more guns that are around, the more people are going to get shot!" Certainly this is borne out in places like Iraq and America, where substantial numbers of people are killed by gunfire on a daily basis.
In Britain, I am reliably informed that a handgun can now be bought on the blackmarket from the criminal underworld for as little as £40. And they're coming in from everywhere. (I'm not at liberty to reveal my source of this data) So whereas in earlier years about 60 people at most were victims of gun homicide, last year's total was 96. Because guess what? The folks that buy those guns don't buy them because they have an interest in the history of firearms. They don't buy them to go shooting at a range or gun club. They don't buy them to marvel the quality of engineering that went into their construction. No. They buy them because they want to be able to shoot someone.
Thus... there is a direct link between the number of guns in circulation and the number of people who get shot. It really is that simple. Funny how so many people struggle to make the connection.
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Originally posted by beet1e
"This hole here..." he thundered, pointing at his mouth "...is bigger than this hole here!!" he added, pointing at his arse. Thus, the current fat trend was analysed in less than 10 words! :lol
He obviously never saw some my turds. Pardon my Frenc..., er vulgarity. ;)
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Hmm... I am not stuggling in the least. When enough bad guys get guns then... the more guns the good guys have the less crime there is.
I am on record for telling you that when your criminal element gets big enough and mean enough.....not pansy little smash and run brit criminals but real 3rd worlders with a sociopaths idea of the value of human life... well... these guys are gonna kill... they are gonna do it with whatever but mostly guns they are gonna get guns if they want em..
what it boils down to is... you have given away your rights for nothing... you have merely diarmed the law abiding.
lazs
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Get wit da program more Archie Bunker = less crimes.
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I trust the cops more than I trust my fellow citizens.
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I don't think Archie Bunker commited any crimes did he?
lazs
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Nuke, Funked, Creamo, etc, how does that hook feel in yer mouth?
:confused:
I accuse the guy of huffing and you think that means it was a good troll?