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Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: eskimo on March 02, 2000, 12:39:00 AM
Tonight there was a terrible connect to AH experienced by many.  I personally flew 6 sorties and had 5 in-flight discos.  4 of these discos were before I was engaged with the enemy.

I have just realized that:
Each disco counts as a sortie and;
Discoed flight time is included in the total flight time.

This means that discos can really screw-up ones kill-per-sortie-ratio, and kill-per-time-ratio.

In all fairness, I hope that something can be done about this.

eskimo
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: eskimo on March 02, 2000, 12:42:00 AM
By the way HT,
All of my discos froze the screen and completly locked up my computer.  Discos in the past did not do this.
eskimo
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Saintaw on March 02, 2000, 01:52:00 AM
CC same here, had 3 Disco's and had to "Hard reboot" twice...

Do you have an arangement with some hard drive manufacturer ??? :P <g>


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Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: bloom25 on March 02, 2000, 02:47:00 AM
Me too, 2 discoes, 1 requiring a hard reset.  (This is the first time this has ever happened.)  I'm also getting clipping, sound popping, and stick spiking all over again.  Later on I was getting what seemed like rubber bullets.  It was most certainly NOT a good night.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)  (My RW also seems to be having trouble working as well???  It is causing my screen to freeze randomly when shooting.)

bloom25
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Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Hristo on March 02, 2000, 04:54:00 AM
Last week was bad for me concerning the net. My ping times were quite bad, some packet loss too.

I also expereinced rubber bullets. Ok, maybe it was just me, but enemy planes just did not go down with hits.

My hit percentage dropped from 17% to some 11-12% at that time. Some guys were just impossible to hit. In case where I'd normally land hits, my bullets just went what seemed around or through the plane. Not sure what is it, maybe just my gunnery.
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Maniac on March 02, 2000, 06:18:00 AM
Had one big disco yesterday to, it totally locked up my comp (had to use the power switch to reboot).

About score, who cares about score anyway?  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)



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Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: eskimo on March 02, 2000, 07:46:00 AM
I ended up with 8 in flight discos last night, and 4 tower discos.  (I should have quit earlier).
during all of tour 1 I had only 12 in flight discos.
eskimo
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Ripsnort on March 02, 2000, 07:54:00 AM
I also experienced "hard" lock-ups after the disco's last night, quit after #2.

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Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Dingy on March 02, 2000, 08:45:00 AM
Well, surprise surprise.   I've had to put up with these disco's for 3 months now.  Welcome to the O Club (D Club??) gentlemen!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

-Ding
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Lephturn on March 02, 2000, 08:53:00 AM
Guys,

When you get disconnected it really helps to trace your connection and send the info in here.  Just saying "I got discoed and it sucks" doesn't give HTC any ammo to try to get things fixed.  Most of the time I find the problem is with a router outside of HTC's control, so we need to give them all the ammo we can to try and get it fixed up.

Go get ping plotter at http://www.nessoft.com/pingplotter/ (http://www.nessoft.com/pingplotter/)  and trace your connection with it when things get flaky.  From the edit menu you can copy to the results to the clipboard as text or an image and paste them into another application.  The text info can be pasted right into the UBB like this:

Target Name: beta.hitechcreations.com
         IP: 216.91.192.19

 1    9 ms    9 ms   54 ms  hfx-doc-r42.eastlink.ca [24.222.42.1]
 2   12 ms   10 ms   34 ms  hfxcore-e2-2.andara.com [24.222.0.1]
 3   30 ms   30 ms   38 ms  [216.129.47.61]
 4   28 ms   34 ms   64 ms  [206.191.64.137]
 5   29 ms   33 ms   82 ms  [206.191.80.150]
 6   41 ms   41 ms   82 ms  [12.125.164.5]
 7   57 ms   39 ms  107 ms  gbr1-a80s10.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.4.154]
 8   49 ms   43 ms  113 ms  gr1-p350.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.4.253]
 9   97 ms   83 ms   94 ms  sl-gw18-chi-1-0-0-T3.sprintlink.net [144.228.207.65]
10   85 ms   67 ms   80 ms  sl-bb11-chi-3-3.sprintlink.net [144.232.0.217]
11   84 ms   51 ms   66 ms  sl-bb12-chi-7-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.10.6]
12   94 ms   67 ms   63 ms  sl-bb10-kc-7-1.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.117]
13   76 ms   66 ms   63 ms  sl-bb10-fw-10-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.254]
14   67 ms   61 ms   65 ms  sl-bb11-fw-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.9]
15   65 ms   64 ms  115 ms  sl-gw13-fw-8-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.66]
16   73 ms   62 ms   98 ms  sl-dnetfw-1-0-T3.sprintlink.net [144.228.137.6]
17   91 ms   87 ms   85 ms  applink-1.usdlls.savvis.net [216.90.2.66]
18   77 ms   70 ms   85 ms  beta.hitechcreations.com [216.91.192.19]

The more info we can give HTC, the better chance that these connection issues can be fixed!   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)  Thanks!


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Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Minotaur on March 02, 2000, 09:18:00 AM
 
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Originally posted by eskimo:
By the way HT,
All of my discos froze the screen and completly locked up my computer.  Discos in the past did not do this.
eskimo

This probably should be over in "Game Bugs".  

I have had two game lock-ups total since beta ver 34.  Both of these lock-ups have occured in ver 1011.  At the time I did not know If I had been discoed or not.  My computer locked up.  I had to do a hard reset and it was impossible for me to tell.


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The Wrecking Crew
Trainer
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Duckwing6 on March 02, 2000, 04:02:00 PM
Talking connects ..

I traced for 15 minutes with an interval of 1 Sec.. and had no big problems with connects to HTC's beta arena, but befre that i got discoed 4 times out of 4 flighs in the MA .. but Not a single 1 in the SEA :/

Can't really see what to do here

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Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: AKDejaVu on March 02, 2000, 06:38:00 PM
As for the topic of the discussion... "Discos kill the score"

This is something that must happen.  If it did not, too many people would simply unplug the modem when things got a little too hairy.  Alt-F4... alt-tab... unplugging modems... too many people are willing to play any advantage they can.  Its bad enough now that ditches don't count as a kill/capture.

AKDejaVu
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: eskimo on March 02, 2000, 07:40:00 PM
Good point AKDejaVu.
There does need to be a deterent to intentional discos, and I can't imagine how HTC could tell the difference.
Hmmm...
eskimo
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Jekyll on March 03, 2000, 05:36:00 AM
My experiences in 1.01 so far have been dismal  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

6 flights
1 death
1 landing
2 dumps to desktop
2 hard lockups with speakers clicking away madly requiring cold reboot

Never had these problems before 1.01

Celeron 500 o/c 563
TNT2 32 meg card
SB Live Value
1280*960 32 bit resolution
128 meg ram

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Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Hristo on March 03, 2000, 06:31:00 AM
 
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2 hard lockups with speakers clicking away madly requiring cold reboot

Exactly what happens to me in recent versions !

Sometimes (usually in the moment I open fire), speakers start clicking and everything freezes for about 2-3 seconds or even longer.

Since it started happening just as I upgraded my joystick, I blamed the digital upgrade for this, but it seems it happens to others too, right ?

My system:

Celeron 333 @ 416
64 MB RAM
Asus V 3400 TNT 1 card
Monster MX 300 soundcard
TM F22/TQS/Rudders with digital upgrade
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: blitz on March 03, 2000, 07:56:00 AM
Hi all,

3 or 4 discos last night (none of them in GMT TOD tho), but no lockups, just host connection lost.

blitz
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: eskimo on March 03, 2000, 08:08:00 AM
Back to how discos effect scores;
is there a way to completly clear your scores and start again?
eskimo
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: danish on March 03, 2000, 05:41:00 PM
Increasingly numbers of discoes lately.Tonight 4-5(?).I get a few short red flashes on beacon then loose connection.When out and pinging HTC i get usual good pings (160-180) and no loss.Frustrating.

Just on a side note good rudder authority now in new patch.Thx!

danish


Edith; looking at score I am credited for only 2 discoes.Hmmm...

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Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Duckwing6 on March 03, 2000, 06:06:00 PM
Had another 2 discoes tonight .. did the ping-ploter and always found connectionto be ok .. no major packet loss, constant delays ..
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: eskimo on March 04, 2000, 03:47:00 AM
I just had cable-modem instaled, not 1 disco tonight!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Did 2 trace routes, they came up 107, and 102.  
It's much more fun when things work properly!
eskimo
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: LLv34_Snefens on March 04, 2000, 09:13:00 AM
I am getting increasing disco's too at the moment. No lock-ups, just host connection lost. Often I get a beacon then back in green then a new beacon, then sometimes I have no more and continue flying, but sometimes I get the third beacon and I get dropped.
I always go out and trace HTC, but so far I have come up with no oddities. Dunno what it is.
One of my discoes was two nights ago, where there were about 60 players, when I began noticing strange happenings (icon range out to 13K and such), and when I checked roster we were just 10 people. moments later I got discoed myself.

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Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Minotaur on March 04, 2000, 10:32:00 AM
 
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<snip> when I began noticing strange happenings (icon range out to 13K and such) <snip>

LLv34_Snefens;

I seldom look at the "Beacon Light" unless I notice a problem.  Often times this will be the first thing that I notice.  

One other sure fire way to know you have been disconnected is if you type text into the radio buffer and it does not come out in the chat buffer.  Or, you notice the chat buffer has quit scrolling.

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Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: MiG Eater on March 04, 2000, 11:46:00 AM
 
Quote
Originally posted by Hristo:

I also experienced rubber bullets. Ok, maybe it was just me, but enemy planes just did not go down with hits.

My hit percentage dropped from 17% to some 11-12% at that time. Some guys were just impossible to hit. In case where I'd normally land hits, my bullets just went what seemed around or through the plane. Not sure what is it, maybe just my gunnery.

Hristo, I've experienced this on a consistant basis forcing me to get closer and closer for kills, especially on maneuvering airplanes.  I started filming every engagement.  Slowing down the films to a snail's pace, I discovered that some of my targets would jump up to two wingspan lengths to the side after I opened fire.  There was nothing gradual to the jump: in one frame the target would be fixed in the sight with proper lead and the next frame, outside the gunsight with a noticable horizontal displacement.  The bullets simply passed through empty air where the aircraft or a part of the aircraft had been.  In most instances, I was absolutely sure the guns aiming solution would result in hits.  I've been attributing this to net lag... still frustrating.

MiG

Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: eskimo on March 04, 2000, 07:23:00 PM
Mig,
The guns do have kick.  If you are looking at the enemy in Zoom mode the kick of your guns might cause a sudden yaw, making him jerk out of your sights.  Just an idea.
eskimo
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: eskimo on March 06, 2000, 01:49:00 AM
I don't get it.  I just switched to a cable modem, but had 3 discos tonight (my second night flying with cable ISP).  What could be wrong?  Could my computer be screwed up?  Could my copy of the game be screwed up?  Do I just have bad luck?
Help!
eskimo
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: Duckwing6 on March 06, 2000, 05:38:00 AM
eskimo i'm on DSL as well and have had several discoes during the first few days after the last patch .. the last days no more .. i guess that's just bad luck with the connection gods...
Title: Discos kill the scores.
Post by: bloom25 on March 06, 2000, 03:34:00 PM
During the week I'm on a 100baseT network and get discoed.  I don't believe connection method has much to do with our problem.  The one time my computer didn't lock after a disco in this new version I immediately ran a traceroute with ping plotter.  (I posted the results in the tech support forum under "A few tracerts for you." )  My problem has been sprint or savvis dumping packets.  The 850ms delay doesn't help much either.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)  My normal connection averages about 65ms to HTC.
Over the past few days I've also been having problems with rubber bullets, and I've also seen what appeared to be bullets passing through planes.

bloom25
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