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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: GA on April 13, 2004, 01:00:44 PM
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If you could choose between 109G2, 109F4 or 190A5 what would you choose, and why.
Feel free to also add the historical aspect of these planes.
NB: And if you also fly FB, I still the same question who would you choose of teh above planes?
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109f in AH - cause I fly it best
109g2 in FB cause it flies more like the 109f in AH than fb's 109f
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh that is a tough choice.
I love the 109f4, never liked the G2, and think the 190A5 is a hoot...
I stuck... Tho I think it would have to be the 109F4... Tough choices... Most will say the G2 and the A5 I feel... Just my prediction.;)
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109g2. Fast, climbs wonderfully, gunpods make it hit hard. Only weak point is its high speed performance. In a 1v1, I'd take a 109g2 over anything else.
190a5 if I had lots of wingmen, and because it looks coolest. :)
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G-6 without question........ both in FB and in AH
But from your very restrictive list G-2 in AH G-2 in FB.
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G-6 without question........ both in FB and in AH
Explain why the G6, thx ;)
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3cm of Rheinmetall.
But its just a lot of fun...
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190A5, its handling is far superior to any 109 at hi speeds and has better firepower and visibility, it can also land with one wingtip gone. 109s are better for 1 vs 1 duels, but not for the MA.
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Same as GODO for me. I tend to forget I'm in a 109 when I'm flying one and try to do high speed passes or roll when going too fast. When I do remember, I keep thinking to myself how I have to setup my passes differently from when I fly the 190s. Chalk it up to inexpereince in the 109 series I guess.
mauser
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F-4 for me for sure, but I also like the G-2 and the A-5 a lot. You really cant go wrong with any of the three, but the F-4 is just a sweet ride. Landed six kills (which is a lot for me) with the F-4 on Furball Island in Ozkansas 2 La7's, 1 P-38, 2 Spit IX's and a G-10. Dont fly FB so I cant say.
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All around, I'd have to take the G-2. If you fly it, do your self a favor and forget the pods, part of the G-2's charm is it's manueverability. You just have to discipline yourself on the use of the ammo. When you get close, It usually doesn't take a lot of rounds. But you definitely don't have the ammo to do high deflection passing shots. I seem to have pretty good success in the G-2 in large MA furballs. I think everyone you see assumes you are in a G-10 and have trouble getting that shocked look off their face when they still see that 109 back there. Plus, the accelleration of the G-2 with wep is great.
Only reason I would consider taking a5 is for the awesome ammo load.
Can't fly the f4 worth crap. I can't make it turn like Eagler, it doesn't have the speed of the G-2, death trap for me.
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190 A5 because it is a Focke Wulf 190, and because Kurt Tank was the greatest airplane designer of all times, he is my God and the Focke Wulf 190 is my religion.
Other then that, the 190 is the cruelest and toughest looking plane of all times and it had an exlent performance, great fun to fly in AH but also takes alot of skill to master.
The 109's are better for 1 on 1 fights and survivability IMO (better low speed performance) but the 190 is far meaner!
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Bf109G-2.
The obvious choice performance wise.
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Originally posted by Batz
G-6 without question........ both in FB and in AH
But from your very restrictive list G-2 in AH G-2 in FB.
I like the G-6, but find it is not popular, do you know why?
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Not in the above list but i'd fly the 190A-8....if i couldn't fly my hellcat that is :D...A-8 is a hoot to fly in...nice setup of guns for whatever yer heart desires....but that's just me.
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Originally posted by enemyace
I like the G-6, but find it is not popular, do you know why?
Hey Ace. The G-6 isn't very popular because it's relatively tubby for the 109's. It doesn't have the maneuverability of the F4 or G2, and doesn't have the brute speed, climb, and acceleration of the G10 (or the G2 for that matter).
The G6 is slower than the G2, climbs slower, and turns worse. The only real advantage it has is the MG upgrade from 7.9mm to 13mm and the option to take the 30mm MK108 instead of the 20mm MG151/20 hub cannon.
Basically, it doesn't do anything that the other 109's can't do. If you want the speed and firepower, the G10 is your boy. If you want the turning ability, the G2 or F4 are better.
Batz likes it, maybe he can tell you some good points. If I wanted to fly a pig of a 109, personally I'd take the G10. :)
ed: Info on G6 and other models: http://www.telusplanet.net/~dsoder/models.htm
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Originally posted by enemyace
I like the G-6, but find it is not popular, do you know why?
In Fb it's a killer due to the 3cm cannon, performance is good although not great but the firepower makes it a complete killer - in AH 3cm cannon has very poor ballistic characteristics compared to Fb so it's not 1st choice in AH.
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Schaden,
You have claimed the above in several threads. I have flown Il2 / Fb /AEP since the first Il2 demo. I have flown AH since tour 3.
The difference in ballistics in Fb and AH is minimal. As was pointed out in the other thread you most likely are firing closer in FB then in AH. Also in AH with dead 6 view and icons players will react quicker to an attacker and make a shot harder. In FB sneaking up on some one is easy. If you fly FB offline you know AI is joke and an easy kill, it cant compare to a human pilot.
In AH 99.9% of the time 1 hit with 3cm on a fighter = a kill, In FB sometimes it takes multiple hits.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/334_1081954795_bf109g6u4-gunnery-data2.jpg)
You can test Ah bullet drop by typing .target XXX. Just face north and fly level and test it and compare it to the above. You will see it matches well.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
The G6 is slower than the G2, climbs slower, and turns worse. The only real advantage it has is the MG upgrade from 7.9mm to 13mm and the option to take the 30mm MK108 instead of the 20mm MG151/20 hub cannon.
Thats why I rarely take the G-6 if I have any other option (I fly almost exclusively in the CT) because I NEVER take the 30mm. Even in the G-10 I take the 20mm because I cant hit a dang thing with the 30mm. I really cant tell much difference between the F-4 and G-2 other than the G-2 is a bit faster, and the F-4 seems to turn just a bit better but they seem to me very close.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
If I wanted to fly a pig of a 109, personally I'd take the G10. :)
We just had a week where Axis basically got to choose between A5, G6 or G10. As between the G6 and the G10, I actually found I preferred the G6. It certainly doesn't have the speed of the G10, nor the same ability to hang on its prop, but it turns much better and has the same 30 mm gun set. Against the La7 and Yak 9U, the turning seemed to be more useful than the climbing or speed.
- oldman
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A 190 is generally better choice than the 109, if for no other reason than improved visibility and general firepower.
My favorite 109 load out was the G10 13mm cowls, 30mm nose, 20mm gondolas. The problem was that each had its own trajectory and the 30mm doesn't need any help to bring down a target. So, for the G10 I now ditch the gondies and just bring the 30mm.
In a G6 I bring the gondies but use the 20mm nose gun, since the G6 is a pig anyway and the depreciated performance caused by the gondolas really isn't noticed.
In a G2 or F4, I use the 20mm nose gun and leave everything else back at the armament shack. Between the G2 and F, the G2 is the better performer, but the F has the ability to disguise itself as a G10 and catch the turn-n-burn fighters offguard when they mis-identify the plane. My biggest gripe about the F is that I tend to get shot in the back on final approach to land because I can't see the P-51D sneaking up low behind me.
Now, about the 190s, I use the A-8 with the four 20mms. Gobs of ammo and a HO monster. Bomber killer par-excellence. Multiple kill probability. From your list, I'd take the 190A-5 with the four 20mms, even at the reduced ammo load. If you only take a pair of 20mms you'll be short-changing yourself. Don't count on the machine guns to do much work for you. The F8 adds bigger machine guns but also adds armour in places you're probably not going to get shot (also adds wing racks which are more weight and more drag).
So, I'd take the A5. Better guns, better visibility, less control issues at high speeds.
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A 190 is generally better choice than the 109, if for no other reason than improved visibility and general firepower.
My favorite 109 load out was the G10 13mm cowls, 30mm nose, 20mm gondolas. The problem was that each had its own trajectory and the 30mm doesn't need any help to bring down a target. So, for the G10 I now ditch the gondies and just bring the 30mm.
In a G6 I bring the gondies but use the 20mm nose gun, since the G6 is a pig anyway and the depreciated performance caused by the gondolas really isn't noticed.
In a G2 or F4, I use the 20mm nose gun and leave everything else back at the armament shack. Between the G2 and F, the G2 is the better performer, but the F has the ability to disguise itself as a G10 and catch the turn-n-burn fighters offguard when they mis-identify the plane. My biggest gripe about the F is that I tend to get shot in the back on final approach to land because I can't see the P-51D sneaking up low behind me.
Now, about the 190s, I use the A-8 with the four 20mms. Gobs of ammo and a HO monster. Bomber killer par-excellence. Multiple kill probability. From your list, I'd take the 190A-5 with the four 20mms, even at the reduced ammo load. If you only take a pair of 20mms you'll be short-changing yourself. Don't count on the machine guns to do much work for you. The F8 adds bigger machine guns but also adds armour in places you're probably not going to get shot (also adds wing racks which are more weight and more drag).
So, I'd take the A5. Better guns, better visibility, less control issues at high speeds.
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id take the f4 any day
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I would leave the extra 2 20mm cannon option for the A-5 in the hanger, they are MG-FF and only have 60 RPG. Poor quality guns, meager ammo, and added weight the rest of the sortie make them not work it IMO.
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i would choose spit or p51...WHY? because all the LW planes were not good enough to win any major air battles...
but if you put a gun to my head to choose i would say 109 f4.. WHY? because its the best looking mean looking of them all
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He he Sel;)
Thx for you replyes gents :aok
I have tested out the 3 above planes and have fallen totaly for the 109G2 :) . Both in AH and FB.
The 109 have a strong engine and can climb verry good and also have good turns in a dogfight. The only draw back with the 109G2 have to be its guns that could be added with some more punch;), but its enough. The second is the generel 109 series speed in dives, that you hjave to watch not coing to fast so you dont break it apart;).
F4 is good plane and verry like the G2, but lack the littel extra regarding engine power and even more gun power. Turns great but to low on the other.
190A5, yep its a killer, but I have not the disipling to fly it as it sahll be flown, and that is at good speed at all time and stay high and dont go in a turn with the enemy;). The guns speak for it self.
I wil stick with the 109G2 for a good time and try to learn me to fly this plane as good as I can :). So watch out Bish and Rooks, I wil go from 2990 as my current score to under 2000 in a flash :D
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Hey GA, I think you made the right choice. I like the G-2 best of the bunch, but the others are almost equal. The G-2 struggles in the MA somewhat because the configuration I like to fly (without pods) can't get the snapshot kill, and as a result, by the time I saddle up on someone, I have picked up a bandit on my 6, and have to give up on the first. It is pretty good at getting out of trouble, because of its speed and climb rate. BTW, I love fighting La7's with this since most pilots under estimate the G-2 completely.
The other two planes are still great rides. For the F-4, I take the gondolas since I feel better about sacrificing some turning performance in that plane. Great perk harvester. The A-5 is no slouch in a turn fight either though. You just have to make your turns in the vertical and use the great rudder. It can suprise lots of people with its turning ability, and it has what the 109's lack, the ability to dive. Makes sniping on furballs much easier. Pick up a trailer, and drag them out away from everyone and go at 'em one on one.
Both the G-2 and the A-5 have a better ability to choose the engagement than the F-4. Drag that Pony as long as you can till the Spit and NIK break off, then take care of business and go look for more. Good luck with all of them though, they are great.
Also, the reason for the G-6 comments is that the 30mm is that good. One hit kills are so great, it is worth it to figure out how to use the 30mm. It is the best snapshot killer out there, except for the quad hizuka planes. I like to see 2-3 pings then Boom!! One ping usually takes off a wing or tail. Great fun!! :)
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Originally posted by GA
F4 is good plane and verry like the G2, but lack the littel extra regarding engine power and even more gun power. Turns great but to low on the other.
The F-4 and the G-2 have identical gun packages.
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The F-4 and the G-2 have identical gun packages.
Not in FB;)
109F4 Armament:
2x7.92mm (MG 17)
1x20 mm (MG 151/20)
190G2 Armament:
2x7.92 mm (MG 17)
1x20 mm (MG 151/20).
hmmm you are right, explanation gents......
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What is different in FB?
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Sorry Grits, the above is from FB;)
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out of the 3 mentioned, I'd take the G-2.
tough call between the G-2 and the G-6. That 3cm makes it a little more quick kill friendly, if you have a feel for the timing needed in high deflection snapshots.
Then again, with the gondys on the G-2 you can shred the hell outta some planes. Makes it easier to cherry pick, if that's your thing. Had a G-2 in the last Friday night. Carried the gonds and ended up just Bore and Znoring some Hurri IIc's. They popped really fast with all that cannon fire. :)