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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JBA on April 14, 2004, 08:43:17 AM
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Who received a letter stating the following on May 6th of 2001?
it said the following.
"With the concept of jihad, do you think it would be difficult for a determined terrorist to get on a plane and destroy himself and all other passengers?" he warned. "Think what the result would be of a coordinated attack which took down several domestic flights on the same day. With our current screening, this is more than possible. It is almost likely." The toll from such an attack would be economic, as well as human, he predicted with chilling accuracy.
John Kerry did according to Brian Sullivan, retired FAA special agent who "personally warned Kerry that Logan was ripe for a "jihad" suicide operation possibly involving "a coordinated attack.""
Mr. Sullivan followed up by having the undercover videotape showing the security failures at Logan hand delivered to Kerry's office. He received a reply from Kerry's office 11 weeks later:
"I have forwarded your tape to the Department of Transportation's Office of Inspector General [DOT OIG],"
Yet Sullivan had made it clear in his letter that going to his old agency was a dead end. He and other agents had complained about security lapses for years and got nowhere. "The DOT OIG has become an ineffective overseer of the FAA," he told Kerry. Sullivan suggested he show the tape to peers on committees with FAA oversight. He even volunteered to testify before them.
But he never heard from Kerry again.
Was that the end of it? No. Another agent involved in the sting at Logan offered to fly to Washington at his own expense to give a presentation to Kerry on the lack of airport security. The response?
But a Kerry aide said not to bother. "You're not a constituent," Elson was told just a few weeks before the hijackings. He went ballistic, warning that if Kerry didn't act soon he'd risk the lives of planeloads of his actual constituents. That warning now looks like prophecy: At least 82 Kerry constituents were murdered aboard American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175.
YOU'RE NOT A CONSTITUENT?
Apparently Mr. Kerry didn't have the foresight to understand that security at Logan airport may affect the safety of his constituents,even if it was brought to his attention by someone who lived outside of Massachusets.
Certainly this was not our only intelligence failure surrounding the attacks on 09/11. Yet, the sheer hypocrisy of Kerry and his supporters is astounding in light of this information. They've accused the President of stonewalling the 09/11 commission, (when in fact they've been given unprecendented access to Presidential briefings), and accused the Bush administration of politicizing 09/11.
When will John Kerry be testifying before the commission?
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More...
The intelligence included reports of a hostage plot against Americans. It noted that operatives might choose to hijack an aircraft or storm a U.S. embassy. Without knowing when, where or how the terrorists would strike, the CIA "consistently described the upcoming attacks as occurring on a catastrophic level, indicating that they would cause the world to be in turmoil," according to one of two staff reports released by the panel yesterday.
"Reports similar to these were made available to President Bush in the morning meetings with [Director of Central Intelligence George J.] Tenet," the commission staff said.
The information offers the most detailed account to date of the warnings the intelligence community gave top Bush administration officials, and provides the context in which a CIA briefer put together a memo on Osama bin Laden's activities in the Aug. 6 PDB for Bush.
The government moved on several fronts to counter the threats. The CIA launched "disruption operations" in 20 countries. Tenet met or phoned 20 foreign intelligence officials. Units of the 5th Fleet were redeployed. Embassies went on alert. Cheney called Crown Prince Adbullah of Saudi Arabia to ask for help. National security adviser Condoleezza Rice asked the CIA to brief Attorney General John D. Ashcroft about an "imminent" terrorist attack whose location was unknown.
"The system was blinking red," Tenet told the commission in private testimony, the panel's report noted.
In this context, Bush "had occasionally asked his briefers whether any of the threats pointed to the United States," the report said. Or as one U.S. senior official more intimately involved in the summer reporting paraphrased the president's question to the CIA: "This guy going to strike here?"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4734564/
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Rip,
with all do respect,
I don't understand your post in context to what I posted.
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The memo.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/kerryfax1.jpg
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/kerryfax2.jpg
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JBA, its just more proof that the Gov't was indeed pro-active in trying to find out what was going down prior to 9/11.
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Yes I agree.
Did you read the memo, Damning that’s for sure. Would like to see it get some play in the campaign, I’m tired of Kerry already. Had enough of his “this admin is the worst in 40 years” garbage
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Originally posted by JBA
The memo.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/kerryfax1.jpg
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/kerryfax2.jpg
Another source for our "Source-attacking liberals who can't debate facts"
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200305%5CNAT20030523e.html
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someone pls capture every memo circulated today so that after tomorrows terror attack the 20/20 hindsight experts can use them as the latest "I told you so!" :rolleyes:
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Sorry guys, you can't dance your way out of this one. The President has to take full responsibility for the fate of this nation, for good or bad.
President Bush has not accepted full responsibilty for his failure to prevent 9/11.
Granted, it is extremely difficult to think of every possibility, and hindsight is always 20/20....but he did ask for the job. When's he going to assume the responsibility for his failure?
LOL, President Clinton got impeached for lying about a blowjob. President Bush has gotten away cleanly with failing to prevent a horrific attack that cost the lives of thousands of people, and ruined the lives of thousands more.
Don't get me wrong, I still think Clinton is a dirtbag, but man, a little perspective on what he did compared to what Bush didn't do is simply amazing.
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banana
how long do you guess it would take a new admin to get their policies and budgets in place?
did you hear what budget/policy we were still under 9/2001 in the AG's testimony yesterday?
8 months to 8 years
sry I blame the previous admin for lack of action over the preceding EIGHT years resulting in the 9/11 attack - not the new guy on the block
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Originally posted by banana
Sorry guys, you can't dance your way out of this one. The President has to take full responsibility for the fate of this nation, for good or bad.
President Bush has not accepted full responsibilty for his failure to prevent 9/11.
Granted, it is extremely difficult to think of every possibility, and hindsight is always 20/20....but he did ask for the job. When's he going to assume the responsibility for his failure?
LOL, President Clinton got impeached for lying about a blowjob. President Bush has gotten away cleanly with failing to prevent a horrific attack that cost the lives of thousands of people, and ruined the lives of thousands more.
Don't get me wrong, I still think Clinton is a dirtbag, but man, a little perspective on what he did compared to what Bush didn't do is simply amazing.
banana. Im more interested in Bush preventing 9/11 II than "admitting responsibility" for 9/11.
Where are your priorities?
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Well, of course, Saur. I am, too. But still, people will debate this for decades, as they have regarding the ultimate failure of Roosevelt to prevent Pearl Harbor.
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Do any of you know the event that "legally prevented " the FBI from sharing information......
The event was "travel Gate"
Thanks Hillary.
Furthermore it was the Clinton/Kerry/Kennedy's that cut the Budget on CIA/FBI adn it ws Clintons budget that Bush ws still under in 2001, always set the year before. The new/first Budget from Bush in 2001 increased the budget in these area dramaticly.
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well jba
that killed this thread :) LOL
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Originally posted by Eagler
well jba
that killed this thread :) LOL
No it didn't, I went to lunch. :)
JBA, c'mon man, yer killing me. Is that the best you can do? The Clinton/Kerry/Kennedy conspiracy?
LOL, that's hilarious. :lol
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Originally posted by JBA
Do any of you know the event that "legally prevented " the FBI from sharing information......
The event was "travel Gate"
Thanks Hillary.
this came out in the 9/11 commission hearings yesterday. Shocked the hell out of (sp?) Ben-ivista. He asked the question about why the FBI was unable to communicate with the other agencies. Well he got the answer and changed the subject real fast.
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That must mean it was Clinton's military that kicked bellybutton in Afghanistan and Iraq... WTG Bill.
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FACT: Upon taking office, the 2002 Bush budget proposed to slash more than half a billion dollars out of funding for counterterrorism at the Justice Department. In preparing the 2003 budget, the New York Times reported that the Bush White House "did not endorse F.B.I. requests for $58 million for 149 new counterterrorism field agents, 200 intelligence analysts and 54 additional translators" and "proposed a $65 million cut for the program that gives state and local counterterrorism grants." Newsweek noted the Administration "vetoed a request to divert $800 million from missile defense into counterterrorism." [Sources: 2001 vs. 2002 Budget Analysis; NY Times, 2/28/02; Newsweek, 5/27/02]
yes yes.. All these actions support bush's claims of being after those terrorist.. A missle defence program will stop them!!
Clinton must have REALLY been thowing money at counterterrorism for Bush to desire to slash that amount by more than half. Damn Clinton! Even when he gives TOO much, its not right..
dude
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Originally posted by midnight Target
That must mean it was Clinton's military that kicked bellybutton in Afghanistan and Iraq... WTG Bill.
That may be so. But I don't consider the military as part of the Government. I know they are, but they are far more efficient and organized to be government employees. Furthermore I don't give Bush credit for the military success. I give him credit for using them when Bill sat on his hands after 37 attacks against US citizens over 8 years.
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No he didn't
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are you considering the cruse missiles, on the eve of Monica and the impeachment a response?
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Originally posted by banana
Sorry guys, you can't dance your way out of this one. The President has to take full responsibility for the fate of this nation, for good or bad.
President Bush has not accepted full responsibilty for his failure to prevent 9/11.
Granted, it is extremely difficult to think of every possibility, and hindsight is always 20/20....but he did ask for the job. When's he going to assume the responsibility for his failure?
LOL, President Clinton got impeached for lying about a blowjob. President Bush has gotten away cleanly with failing to prevent a horrific attack that cost the lives of thousands of people, and ruined the lives of thousands more.
Don't get me wrong, I still think Clinton is a dirtbag, but man, a little perspective on what he did compared to what Bush didn't do is simply amazing.
So, banana. Lets do a philosophical question and please answer it to the best of your ability.
If I am a bus driver, and run a bus hard on my shift.. damn near breaking it, leaving it with a 1/2 quart of oil in the engine, then you are the next driver for your shift, and it breaks down...is it your fault or mine?
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Sensenbrenner Urges Commissioner Gorelick to Resign from the 9/11 Commission Because of Her Conflict of Interest
4/14/2004 12:07:00 PM
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To: National Desk
Contact: Jeff Lungren or Terry Shawn of the House Committee on the Judiciary, 202-225-2492, http://www.house.gov/judiciary
WASHINGTON, April 14 /U.S. Newswire/ -- House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-Wis.) released the following statement:
"Yesterday, a 1995 memo written by 9/11 Commission Member Jamie Gorelick, in her former role as the second in command at the Justice Department, revealed her actions in establishing the heightened 'wall' prohibiting the sharing of intelligence information and criminal information. Scrutiny of this policy lies at the heart of the Commission's work. Ms. Gorelick has an inherent conflict of interest as the author of this memo and as a government official at the center of the events in questions. Thus, I believe the Commission's work and independence will be fatally damaged by the continued participation of Ms. Gorelick as a Commissioner. Reluctantly, I have come to the conclusion that Ms. Gorelick should resign from this Commission.
"The Commission's Guidelines on Recusals state, 'Commissioners and staff will recuse themselves from investigating work they performed in prior government service.' Commissioner Gorelick's memo directing a policy that 'go(es) beyond what is legally required' indicates that her judgment and actions as the Deputy Attorney General in the Reno Justice Department are very much in question before the Commission. Indeed Attorney General Ashcroft called this DOJ policy, 'the single greatest structural cause for September 11 ... (and) embraced flawed legal reasoning.' Commissioner Gorelick is in the unfair position of trying to address the key issue before the Commission when her own actions are central to the events at issue. The public cannot help but ask legitimate questions about her motives.
"While it is regrettable that this conflict had not come to light sooner, this Commission's work and forthcoming recommendations are too important to be questioned in this way, and may be devalued by Ms. Gorelick's continued participation as a Commissioner. Given Ms. Gorelick's work as the Deputy Attorney General under Janet Reno, Ms. Gorelick can be quite valuable to the Commission's work preparing 'a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.' However, that contribution should come as a witness before the Commission - not as a member.
"Key figures like former FBI Director Freeh, Director Mueller, Attorney General Ashcroft, former presidential adviser Richard Clarke, and National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice have all testified before the Commission and would have rightly sparked indignation about a conflict of interest had these individuals also been members of the Commission. Testifying before the Commission is Ms. Gorelick's proper role, not sitting as a member of this independent commission."
ooops, way to go Gorelick
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Saw Bush on tv today with his speech.
Just noticed this man looks 10 years older within 2 years.
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Originally posted by JBA
are you considering the cruse missiles, on the eve of Monica and the impeachment a response?
Of .. let's say the 5 Presidents preceding GWB, which one had the most Americans killed by terrorist actions during his tenure?
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Who allowed the terrorist to become bolder in thier attacks?
Regan had his to deal with (Beruit,Lockerbie scotland sp?) and did little, bombing of libya.
Bush sr. I can't remember to many.
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Who dodged the first question?
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I can show 657 under Clinton. I don't remember the number under Regan, Beruit was around 200 yes?, Airline bombing 100 something I think.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Saw Bush on tv today with his speech.
Just noticed this man looks 10 years older within 2 years.
True....didja see the bug in his ear?
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Originally posted by JBA
I can show 657 under Clinton. I don't remember the number under Regan, Beruit was around 200 yes?, Airline bombing 100 something I think.
657? Americans? Please tell me where?
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Saw Bush on tv today with his speech.
Just noticed this man looks 10 years older within 2 years.
yep they age when they care
they color their hair according to the latest poll when they chase fat interns for head
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Originally posted by midnight Target
657? Americans? Please tell me where?
Attacks on Americans during the Clinton Administration
1. January 25, 1993, Virginia, United States. A Pakistani gunman opened fire on Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employees standing outside of the building. Two agents, Frank Darling and Bennett Lansing, were killed and three others wounded. The assailant was never caught and reportedly fled to Pakistan.
2. February 26, 1993, Cairo, Egypt. A bomb exploded inside a café in downtown Cairo killing three. Among the 18 wounded were two U.S. citizens. No one claimed responsibility for the attack.
3. February 26, 1993, New York, United States. A massive van bomb exploded in an underground parking garage below the World Trade Center in New York City, killing six and wounding 1,042. Four Islamist activists were responsible for the attack. Ramzi Ahmed Yousef (Right Photo), the operation's alleged mastermind, escaped but was later arrested in Pakistan and extradited to the United States. Abd al-Hakim Murad, another suspected conspirator, was arrested by local authorities in the Philippines and handed over to the United States. The two, along with two other terrorists, were tried in the U.S. and sentenced to 240 years.
4. April 14, 1993, Kuwait. The Iraqi intelligence service attempted to assassinate former U.S. President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait. In retaliation, the U.S. launched a cruise missile attack two months later on the Iraqi capital, Baghdad.
5. July 5, 1993, Southeast Turkey. In eight separate incidents, the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) kidnapped a total of 19 Western tourists traveling in southeastern Turkey. The hostages, including U.S. citizen Colin Patrick Starger, were released unharmed after spending several weeks in captivity.
6. March 8, 1995, Karachi, Pakistan. Two unidentified gunmen armed with AK-47 assault rifles opened fire on a U.S. Consulate van in Karachi, killing two U.S. diplomats, Jacqueline Keys Van Landingham and Gary C. Durell, and wounding a third, Mark McCloy.
7. April 9, 1995, Kfar Darom and Netzarim, Gaza Strip. Two suicide attacks were carried out within a few hours of each other in Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip. In the first attack a suicide bomber crashed an explosive-rigged van into an Israeli bus in Netzarim, killing eight including U.S. citizen Alisa Flatow (Left Photo). Over 30 others were injured. In the second attack, a suicide bomber detonated a car bomb in the midst of a convoy of cars in Kfar Darom, injuring 12. The Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) Shaqaqi Faction claimed responsibility for the attacks.
8. July 4, 1995, Kashmir, India. In Kashmir, a previously unknown militant group, Al-Faran, with suspected links to a Kashmiri separatist group in Pakistan, took hostage six tourists, including two U.S. citizens. They demanded the release of Muslim militants held in Indian prisons. One of the U.S. citizens escaped on July 8, while on August 13 the decapitated body of the Norwegian hostage was found along with a note stating that the other hostages also would be killed if the group's demands were not met. The Indian Government refused. Both Indian and American authorities believe the rest of the hostages were most likely killed in 1996 by their jailers.
9. August 1995, Istanbul, Turkey. A bombing of Istanbul's popular Taksim Square injured two U.S. citizens. This attack was part of a three-year-old attempt by the PKK to drive foreign tourists away from Turkey by striking at tourist sites.
10. August 21, 1995, Jerusalem, Israel. A bus bombing in Jerusalem by the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) killed four, including American Joan Davenny, and wounded more than 100.
11. November 9, 1995, Algiers, Algeria. Islamic extremists set fire to a warehouse belonging to the U.S. Embassy, threatened the Algerian security guard because he was working for the United States, and demanded to know whether any U.S. citizens were present. The Armed Islamic Group (GIA) probably carried out the attacks. The group had threatened to strike other foreign targets and especially U.S. objectives in Algeria, and the attack's style was similar to past GIA operations against foreign facilities.
12. November 13, 1995, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. A car bomb exploded in the parking lot outside of the Riyadh headquarters of the Office of the Program Manager/Saudi Arabian National Guard, killing seven persons, five of them U.S. citizens, and wounding 42. The blast severely damaged the three-story building, which houses a U.S. military advisory group, and several neighboring office buildings. Three groups -- the Islamic Movement for Change, the Tigers of the Gulf, and the Combatant Partisans of God -- claimed responsibility for the attack.
13. February 25, 1996, Jerusalem, Israel. A suicide bomber blew up a commuter bus in Jerusalem, killing 26, including three U.S. citizens, and injuring 80 others, among them another three U.S. citizens. Hamas claimed responsibility for the bombing.
14. March 4, 1996, Tel Aviv, Israel. A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device outside the Dizengoff Center, Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall, killing 20 persons and injuring 75 others, including two U.S. citizens. Both Hamas and the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the bombing. May 13, 1996, Beit-El, West Bank. Arab gunmen opened fire on a hitchhiking stand near Beit El, wounding three Israelis and killing David Boim (Right Photo), 17, an American- Israeli from New York. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, although either the Islamic Jihad or Hamas are suspected.
15. June 9, 1996, Zekharya, West Bank. Yaron Ungar, an American-Israeli, and his Israeli wife were killed in a drive-by shooting near their West Bank home. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine is suspected.
16. June 25, 1996, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the U.S. military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 U.S. military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 U.S. personnel. Several groups claimed responsibility for the attack. In June 2001, a U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Virginia, identified Saudi Hizballah as the party responsible for the attack. The court indicated that the members of the organization, banned from Saudi Arabia, "frequently met and were trained in Lebanon, Syria, or Iran" with Libyan help.
17. August 17, 1996, Mapourdit, Sudan. Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) rebels kidnapped six missionaries in Mapourdit, including a U.S citizen. The SPLA released the hostages on August 28.
18. November 1, 1996, Sudan. A breakaway group of the Sudanese People's Liberation Army (SPLA) kidnapped three workers of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), including one U.S citizen. The rebels released the hostages on December 9 in exchange for ICRC supplies and a health survey of their camp.
19. December 3, 1996, Paris, France. A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway train, killing four and injuring 86 persons, including a U.S. citizen. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, but Algerian extremists are suspected.
20. January 2, 1997, Major cities worldwide, United States. A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, DC, New York, London, and Riyadh. Three similar devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in Leavenworth, Kansas. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one detonated at the Al-Hayat newspaper office in London, injuring two security guards and causing minor damage.
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21. February 23, 1997, New York, United States. Ali Hassan Abu Kamal, a Palestinian teacher, opened fire on the 86th-floor observation deck of New York City's Empire State Building, killing killing a Danish national and wounding six others before shooting himself to death. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine."
22. July 30, 1997, Jerusalem, Israel. Two bombs detonated in Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda market, killing 15 persons, including a U.S. citizen and wounding 168 others, among them two U.S. citizens. The Izz-el-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing, claimed responsibility for the attack.
23. October 30, 1997, Sanaa, Yemen. Al-Sha'if tribesmen kidnapped a U.S. businessman near Sanaa. The tribesmen sought the release of two fellow tribesmen who were arrested on smuggling charges and several public works projects they claim the government promised them. The hostage was released on November 27.
24. November 12, 1997, Karachi, Pakistan. Two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum and their Pakistani driver as they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. Two groups claimed responsibility -- the Islamic Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council and the Aimal Secret Committee, also known as the Aimal Khufia Action Committee.
25. November 25, 1997, Aden, Yemen. Yemenite tribesmen kidnapped a U.S citizen, two Italians, and two unspecified Westerners near Aden to protest the eviction of a tribe member from his home. The kidnappers released the five hostages on November 27.
26. April 19, 1998, Maon, Israel. Dov Driben, a 28-year-old American-Israeli farmer was killed by terrorists near the West Bank town of Maon. One of his assailants, Issa Debavseh, a member of Fatah Tanzim, was killed on November 7, 2001, by the IDF after being on their wanted list for the murder.
27. June 21, 1998, Beirut, Lebanon. Two hand-grenades were thrown at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. No casualties were reported.
28. June 21, 1998, Beirut, Lebanon. Three rocket-propelled grenades attached to a crude detonator exploded near the U.S. Embassy compound in Beirut, causing no casualties and little damage. August 7, 1998, Nairobi, Kenya. A car bomb exploded at the rear entrance of the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi. The attack killed a total of 292, including 12 U.S. citizens, and injured over 5,000, among them six Americans. The perpetrators belonged to al-Qaida, Usama bin Ladin's network.
29. August 7, 1998, Dar es Sala'am, Tanzania. A car bomb exploded outside the U.S. Embassy in Dar es Sala'am, killing 11 and injuring 86. Osama bin Laden's organization al-Qaida claimed responsibility for the attack. Two suspects were arrested.
30. November 21, 1998, Teheran, Iran. Members of Fedayeen Islam, shouting anti-American slogans and wielding stones and iron rods, attacked a group of American tourists in Tehran. Some of the tourists suffered minor injuries from flying glass.
31. December 28, 1998, Mawdiyah, Yemen. Sixteen tourists--12 Britons, two Americans and two Australians--were taken hostage in the largest kidnapping in Yemen's recent history. The tourists were seized in the Abyan province (some 175 miles south of Sanaa the capital). One Briton and a Yemeni guide escaped, while the rest were taken to city of Mawdiyah. Four hostages were killed when troops closed in and two were wounded, including an American woman. The kidnappers, members of the Islamic Army of Aden-Abyan, an offshoot of Al-Jihad, had demanded the release from jail of their leader, Saleh Haidara al-Atwi.
32. October 31, 1999, Nantucket, Massachusetts, United States. EgyptAir Flight 990 crashed off the U.S. coast killing all 217 people on board, including 100 Americans. Although it is not precisely clear what happened, evidence indicated that an Egyptian pilot, Ahmed el-Habashy (Right Photo), crashed the plane for personal or political reasons.
33. November 4, 1999, Athens, Greece. A group protesting President Clinton's visit to Greece hid a gas bomb at an American car dealership in Athens. Two cars were destroyed and several others damaged. Anti-State Action claimed responsibility for the attack, but the November 17 group was also suspected.
34. November 12, 1999, Islamabad, Pakistan. Six rockets were fired at the U.S. Information Services cultural center and United Nations offices in Islamabad, injuring a Pakistani guard.
35. October 8, 2000, Nablus, West Bank. The bullet-ridden body of Hillel Lieberman, a U.S. citizen living in the Jewish settlement of Elon Moreh, was found at the entrance to the West Bank town of Nablus. Lieberman had headed there after hearing that Palestinians had desecrated the religious site, Joseph's Tomb. No organization claimed responsibility for the murder.
36. October 12, 2000, Aden Harbor, Yemen. A suicide squad rammed the warship the U.S.S. Cole with an explosives-laden boat killing 13 American sailors and injuring 33. The attack was likely by Osama bin Ladin's al-Qaida organization.
37. October 30, 2000, Jerusalem, Israel. Gunmen killed Eish Kodesh Gilmor, a 25-year-old American-Israeli on duty as a security guard at the National Insurance Institute in Jerusalem. The "Martyrs of the Al-Aqsa Intifada," a group linked to Fatah, claimed responsibility for the attack. Gilmor's family filed a suit in the U.S. District Court in Washington against the Palestinian Authority, the PLO, Chairman Yasser Arafat and members of Force 17, as being responsible for the attack.
I counted 657 Dead, I didn't count the wounded.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Saw Bush on tv today with his speech.
Just noticed this man looks 10 years older within 2 years.
They all do. One thing I've noticed over the last 26 years as a voter is how fast the presidents age while serving. Its a stressful job.
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I counted 657 Dead, I didn't count the wounded.
Well, you need to count again.
I counted 175 Americans. That includes the 100 on EgyptAir 990 which was probably not a "terrorist act". My number also includes all "American-Israelis" on your list. Even though they were most likely "Israelis who came from America".
Reagan's total is much higher. Maybe his pullout from Lebanon after the Marine barracks bombing set off this chain of events?
The Bush II Administration's number for American's Killed by terrorists during the 8 years of the Clinton admin. is 35.
Way less than Reagan and way less than Bush I.
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My number included all killed, not just Americans, only because many people like to say there was 3000 Americans killed on 9/11 when a good number of them were not. Lose of life is awful regardless, but it cannot be said that any President prior to GWB had done enough or anything to stop this madness.
If Bush II adim is putting the number at 35 then they are done the Clinton admin a favor. You yourself counted over 100.
And I think you can agree there were far more attacks during the Clinton years then any other time.
What was Clintons response to these attacks? A few cruse missiles :rolleyes:
This is a fight between barbarism and civilization.
And Bush has put his presidency on the line to win it. Clinton was to fearful of his legacy and his hopes of a peace prize for his middle east work to attempt a war with Arabs.
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Originally posted by JBA
My number included all killed, not just Americans, only because many people like to say there was 3000 Americans killed on 9/11 when a good number of them were not.
Yeah, I think something like 52% were non-American citizens in the WTC, no?
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I think so, Rip,
but please before this gets ugly. I mean to dis-repects to those family's who lost loved ones. I myself lost 3 high school class mates. And I had a friend in Iraq, he just got home after 1 year.
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The post here is that Kerry is a lying hypocrite, he should be before the 9/11 commission answering questions not running around the country blaming GWB.
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Originally posted by JBA
The post here is that Kerry is a lying hypocrite, he should be before the 9/11 commission answering questions not running around the country blaming GWB.
Good luck, unless the press is going after the question of Kerry testifying, it won't happen, nor will it be mentioned except on BBS's.