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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BlckMgk on April 14, 2004, 09:05:03 AM
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Just wondering, not a trick question or anything..
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http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg07-e.htm
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Ok so of the following which LMG has the fastest rate of fire:
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- M249 Machinegun 5.56mm
- RPD Machinegun 7.62mm
- 21E Machinegun 7.62mm
- 23E Machinegun 5.56mm
- M60E4 Machinegun 7.62mm
- M240G Machine gun - 7.62mm belt fed
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
Ok so of the following which LMG has the fastest rate of fire:
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- M249 Machinegun 5.56mm
- RPD Machinegun 7.62mm
- 21E Machinegun 7.62mm
- 23E Machinegun 5.56mm
- M60E4 Machinegun 7.62mm
- M240G Machine gun - 7.62mm belt fed
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m249...thats my guess
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
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Just wondering, not a trick question or anything..
RPD 7.62x54r machine gun
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It's not an RPD: http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg14-e.htm
Plus I already answered the question.
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5.56 mm = light mg
7.62 = med mg
was this a trick question?
m249 800-900 rpm , think max sustained is around 140rpm
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Is that a Palestinian head covering?
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Light, medium, and heavy MG notations have to do with mobility, not caliber.
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sub machine guns are pistol cal
light machine guns are around the 223 cal
med are around 30 cal
heavy are around 50 cal
if your right why are liquid cooled 30 cal machine guns classified as med?
unless things have changed... if so and when? what constitutes "heavy"? whats heavy for one is not heavy for another unless there is a strict cut point between weight classes.
dunno about you but humping a m60 for 30 miles felt pretty heavy to me but it was still a med machine gun... off i go to the gym!
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I was the thinking the 21E and 23E, but I really don't know.
I appreciate the help folks.. and sorry didn't mean to make it a trick question.
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No worries, terms get thrown around a lot so it can be confusing. There are general classifications and then there are exceptions and sales literature. What I'm saying is how machine guns are classified by the US military. You can call anything what you want but I was trying to follow general guidelines. Didn't think you were trying to trick anyone..>
So.. why does max cylclic rate matter to you?
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So that I can see how fast I can mow down a crowd..
No.. kidding aside.
I pretend to be an elite killing machine in a game called Ravenshield, and these are the listed LMG. and MMG offered. Recently my computer has be "downgraded" so i've been left to support role, sticking back and laying some massive amounts of fire. I usually use the m249, its a very fun weapon (in game) with a large ammo load.
Wish they had the MG3.. that'd be intense.. haha
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An LMG is usually a Machine gun I.E. Mg34 that has an attached magazine or bucket for chain of bullets. It usually doesn't have a bipod, but if it does, it's really light.
An MMG is usually a Machine gun with a heavier set up bipod. It usually takes 2 people to fire it. One to carry the gun and some ammo. One to carry the bipod and some ammo. The person who isn't firing it usually helping to feed the ammo into the gun.
A HMG heavy machine gun has a reinforced heavy tripod. It's also fitted to sustain longer periods of being able to fire. It usually takes at least 3 people to carry it. One to carry the tripod, one to carry the gun and one to carry the ammo. Often, the tripod is heavier then the gun and is split imbetween two guys with everyone carrying ammo. It can also be set up on different supports.
Darn, world.guns.ru doesn't allow remote linking. But every gun can be modified to be fitted to different roles.
I.E. Mg34/42. The MG34 can have a light barrel with a 50 round magazine and a light bipod. It can also have a heavier barrel with a 150-250 round belt a medium bipod. It can also have a really heavy barrel, a really heavy tripod and 250 round belts.
Notice that it's roughly a .30 cal, yet it can be an LMG, MMG, and HMG depending on how you outfit it.
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he is using interchangeable terms that are a matter of percieved relativity. What I'm saying is there is a general rule as to how machine guns, like other guns, are classified. I'm pretty sure it is not based on portability. Sure, it's a "lighter " version or a "heavier" version of the same gun but that does not necessarily mean it's classified that way on the books.
Take a look at water cooled and gatling guns. The browning 30 cal with the water cooling jacket and tripod was classified as a med machine gun.
another good example of a loose lable would be the "assault rifle"
btw... m249 would suit you just fine Blk..
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It's really simple. You show me a picture of an MG, and i'll tell you what it is using the things I already said.
BTW, what i've said is how they judge the guns.
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Alright.. there is enough cross terminology to make this confusing. What I was told in training was that the gun was classified by caliber but there are enough references to light varients of the same guns to say it could be either way. Fair enough I yield..>
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Laser and GS are absolutely correct.
Now...there is a semi-debate at work about the '60 vs. the m240 just about every time someone brings either up. I lean towards the 240 because of its simplicity/serviceability and rate of fire. It's also very quick and easy to change out the barrel. Granted, I've only fired I think 200 rounds from the m-60 vs. several thousand from the 240, so I may be biased. Still, based on my experiences the 240 is a superior weapon.
What do you guys think, and why?
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Yeah, just because you see most .50 cal machine guns being HMG's, it doesn't apply to the calibers.
Vor, I haven't fired either weapon. Although i've only heard good things about the M60 by those who used them.
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Funny I thought it was a PKM...
Tronsky
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I have had nothing but good experieinces with the m60 but have heard complaints about it from many others so I don't know. All in all its a fine gun but may be a bit more break prone than the 240. The 240 is a simpler design with less intricate parts.
I yield to your point but thats not how we ever refered to the MG's we used. When we wrote up the range cards for defensive positions m249's were always refered to as lmg's and m60's as mmg's regardless of mounting options. This was due to the different properties of each weapon system. The larger weapons were set up in areas where long range fires, be it point, AP, or grazing fire, was needed. Where the 249's were relegated to short range fire lanes and backup. The symbols for each were by caliber not whether or not one was tossed on a pintle mount or not. Thats because the ballistics of the rounds mattered, not whether or not they were supported one way or another. It's not a huge issue but thats the way I was taught and we employed the weapons systems.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I have had nothing but good experieinces with the m60 but have heard complaints about it from many others so I don't know. All in all its a fine gun but may be a bit more break prone than the 240. The 240 is a simpler design with less intricate parts.
I yield to your point but thats not how we ever refered to the MG's we used. When we wrote up the range cards for defensive positions m249's were always refered to as lmg's and m60's as mmg's regardless of mounting options. This was due to the different properties of each weapon system. The larger weapons were set up in areas where long range fires, be it point, AP, or grazing fire, was needed. Where the 249's were relegated to short range fire lanes and backup. The symbols for each were by caliber not whether or not one was tossed on a pintle mount or not. Thats because the ballistics of the rounds mattered, not whether or not they were supported one way or another. It's not a huge issue but thats the way I was taught and we employed the weapons systems.
Very cool...
Whats your experience, meaning are you active still, and what unit etc..
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Nope... Caught a virus when in Germany and it wrecked my heart. Had first series of heart attacks when I was 20 and after having a defibrilater implanted in me and all sorts of fun drugs my days are about through. The Infantry was lots of interesting experiences but after that, 2 wrecked elbows, a crushed wrist and a knee that got torn apart it kinda got old. It's a tough life.