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Title: Pizza
Post by: ZO2 on April 14, 2004, 02:04:19 PM
I MISS THE PIZZA MAP
Title: Pizza
Post by: NUTTZ on April 14, 2004, 02:09:28 PM
I miss your "caps lock" key:)

NUTTZ
Title: Re: Pizza
Post by: acepilot2 on April 14, 2004, 02:10:58 PM
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Originally posted by ZO2
I MISS THE PIZZA MAP


most of us don't.
Title: Pizza
Post by: kj714 on April 14, 2004, 02:23:32 PM
Oh great, the "I miss pizza map" whine!

j/k:)
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 14, 2004, 02:36:32 PM
I guess your tired of fighting huh ZO2?
Title: Re: Re: Pizza
Post by: DREDIOCK on April 14, 2004, 03:01:07 PM
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Originally posted by acepilot2
most of us don't.


Speak fer yerself cause your "most of us " is definately not the same as my "most of us"
Title: mooo
Post by: ZO2 on April 14, 2004, 03:14:56 PM
kj you fokker

PIZZA map rawks

"most of us don't."

i hear whines about missing pizza all the time!!!




i would like to see pizza map




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I guess your tired of fighting huh ZO2?


nope i fight often no complaints, MOOOO to your post


pizza pizza pizza pizza     is the best map
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 14, 2004, 03:33:06 PM
LOL,

Pizza Crap Sux, nothing but, horde mongering, long flights to no where, timid run fighters and sky accountants.

Pizza Crap is good for the CT tho lolh
Title: lololol
Post by: ZO2 on April 14, 2004, 03:42:57 PM
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LOL, Pizza Crap Sux, nothing but, horde mongering, long flights to no where, timid run fighters and sky accountants.

Pizza Crap is good for the CT tho lolh/
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wow such language, do you kiss your dog with that mouth? glad you think your good nuff to speak for EVERYONE. again i say MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO to your post.



i happen to like pizza for the base taking and good furballs and gv battles. you dont like it cause you prolly get yer butt kicked on it often........stop yer whining acepilot2

i simply stated i miss pizza in caps lock
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 14, 2004, 03:49:31 PM
what a maroon, where is the bad language in that post.

I kiss your mom with this mouth :rofl

There are no furballs on pizza, it is obvious you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

And who said I am speaking for anyone.  Learn how to read before you write.

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you dont like it cause you prolly get yer butt kicked on it often


Not likely.  I don't like it for the reasons in my prior post.


BTW ZO2 what is your in game ID?
Title: Pizza
Post by: straffo on April 14, 2004, 03:56:11 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
LOL,

Pizza Crap Sux, nothing but, horde mongering, long flights to no where, timid run fighters and sky accountants.

Pizza Crap is good for the CT tho lolh


I'm interrested in your opinion about BigIsle ,I've an hard time with pizza because of texture but nothing more.
I find your description more adequate for BigIsle.

It's perhaps different when you play,I play usualy between 21 and 23 CET.
Title: Pizza
Post by: SlapShot on April 14, 2004, 03:56:31 PM
"i happen to like pizza for the base taking and good furballs and gv battles. you dont like it cause you prolly get yer butt kicked on it often........"

LOL ... base taking ... I thought this was available on ALL maps !!! Oh .... I see now ... you meant to say milkrunnin'.

Furballs on Pizza ... hardly ... If there is one, it has a CV involved, which is soon sent to the murky depths by the suicide dweebs.

Mars ... get his butt kicked ... aaaaaa maybe ... but not likely.

Don't let his score fool ya, cause I steal at least half of all his kills so he is better than what the numbers show ... :D
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 14, 2004, 04:03:15 PM
HEHEHE  lol slap,


My score is pretty good this week cause I havn't seen you on lol:D

Yeah straffo same problem on Big Isles too, unless there is a carrier off the coast somehwere, like slap said.  The problem is as on most maps, that the bases are too far apart.  If they moved half of the bases closer I think these maps would be cool.  Just my 2 cents.

As for the times  - I'm no good at military lol.  anywhere from 7pm to 2am USA EST.
Title: Pizza
Post by: straffo on April 14, 2004, 04:11:29 PM
ok ,I agree with you so.

FYI I don't use military time ,it's the usual way to post time in France :)

7pm-2am should be 19:00 to 02:00 ;)
Title: Pizza
Post by: Morpheus on April 14, 2004, 04:30:59 PM
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I kiss your mom with this mouth


HAHA



All I have to say to all of this is who cares


Booo To pizza

It gives me gas
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 14, 2004, 04:41:19 PM
LOLH Morph,

How True, How True.  I'm bored at work.:D
Title: Im Sick Of Pizza
Post by: 68DevilM on April 14, 2004, 05:27:01 PM
COME ON HIGH TECH I N=KNOW IM PREACHING TO DEAF EARS AND THIS SUBJECT BEEN BEAT TO HELL BUT PIZZA AGAIN?

THIS WAS THE FIRST MAP THIS MONTH WASNT IT? AND I BET BEFORE ITS OVER! IT WILL GRACE US ONCE MORE THIS MONTH.


WHERE THE BIG MAPS

WE WANT THEM MORE THAN THIS

WHO AGREES

YEAH

NA!!
Title: Pizza
Post by: SlapShot on April 14, 2004, 05:55:56 PM
:confused:
Title: Re: mooo
Post by: kj714 on April 14, 2004, 06:14:52 PM
Haha, figured that was you.

Interrupting cow! MOOOOOOOOOOO! to you.

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Originally posted by ZO2
kj you fokker

PIZZA map rawks

"most of us don't."

i hear whines about missing pizza all the time!!!




i would like to see pizza map




 

nope i fight often no complaints, MOOOO to your post


pizza pizza pizza pizza     is the best map
Title: mooo
Post by: ZO2 on April 14, 2004, 06:20:06 PM
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I kiss your mom with this mouth

moms dead thank you very much.

good to know you got a squadie who will come and fight battle for u mars.

i guess dude you have no clue cause there are plenty of furballs on pizza.

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you meant to say milkrunnin'
 um yea right, i do my milkin on different maps.

BIG ISLE sux sick of it

you all draw pretty big assumptions to what i originally said...

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I MISS THE PIZZA MAP


who care what you people say about pizza...i love it:aok and just cause a few morons dont like it, it gets put on shelf i think thats BS:D

AGAIN i say unto you MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: yay
Post by: ZO2 on April 14, 2004, 06:29:00 PM
pizza rulez and you all know it. better than big isle...gotta say oz was kinda fun. i heard something about the bid system for maps???? thats no longer around.

also want to say i will not reply to munches who reply just lookin to start a fight or cause they make their livin on the message boards...not gonna play yer game:aok

fine if ya dont like it post that fact and dont go dissin others for their opinions:lol

mars, slapshot, morph, straffo:rofl    you guys are killing me and not in the MA so go post elsewhere, no one wants to hear your smart mouths :D
Title: oh yea
Post by: ZO2 on April 14, 2004, 06:29:50 PM
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO!!!
Title: odd
Post by: ZO2 on April 14, 2004, 06:32:03 PM
we had pizza at least 1 time in the last 6 weeks that we can figure and it was only for 16 hours or less and you complaining???????????????????????????????????????:confused:



pizza rules and im very sorry we dont see it more often
Title: Re: lololol
Post by: acepilot2 on April 14, 2004, 06:36:52 PM
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Originally posted by ZO2
stop yer whining acepilot2



Ever heard the expression "When in rome, do as the romans do"?:D





























if you don't get it-your a roman
Title: stop me if im wrong
Post by: ZO2 on April 14, 2004, 06:40:49 PM
but when was i whining? i wasnt you were:rofl

oops i forgot i wasnt going to post to idiot gibberish anymore.....oh well ya got me
Title: I miss the pizza map
Post by: ZO2 on April 14, 2004, 06:42:12 PM
i miss the pizza map plain and simple:cool:
Title: Re: Pizza
Post by: acepilot2 on April 14, 2004, 06:43:56 PM
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Originally posted by ZO2
I MISS THE PIZZA MAP



Caps lock button down, topic about pizza...how is there any denial thats a whine?:D
Title: Pizza
Post by: aztec on April 14, 2004, 07:04:15 PM
I miss Peanut Butter.:(
Title: Pizza
Post by: aztec on April 14, 2004, 07:05:24 PM
Oh yeah and cheesey poofs.:(
Title: Pizza
Post by: aztec on April 14, 2004, 07:06:45 PM
I'm sick of Beets.:mad:
Title: Pizza
Post by: B17Skull12 on April 14, 2004, 07:15:56 PM
PIZZA RULES!
Title: Pizza
Post by: B17Skull12 on April 14, 2004, 07:17:04 PM
i miss hamburgers.
Title: Pizza
Post by: B17Skull12 on April 14, 2004, 07:20:24 PM
does pizza have sausage and pepperoni on it?:confused:
Title: Pizza
Post by: DREDIOCK on April 14, 2004, 08:04:22 PM
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Originally posted by mars01


There are no furballs on pizza, it is obvious you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

 


Now thats a crock.
Last time Pizza was up I spent 10 straight hours doing nothing but fighting in a furball.
Averate flight time to the fight. about 4 minutes

LOL other night on one of the small maps  flight average from flyable feild to a fight was around 10 min ( long enough for a squad mate of mine to drink 3 beers and go to the bathroom twice)

I've never ever had a problem finding any kind of fight I've wanted
on Pizza. Its all there.
As my ol man used to say
"Ya just gotta try looking a little bit farther then the end of your nose"
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 14, 2004, 08:17:22 PM
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wow such language, do you kiss your dog with that mouth? glad you think your good nuff to speak for EVERYONE. again i say MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO to your post.


i happen to like pizza for the base taking and good furballs and gv battles. you dont like it cause you prolly get yer butt kicked on it often........stop yer whining acepilot2

i simply stated i miss pizza in caps lock



You know Gweedo (Z02)  sorry about the mom joke, it was just that a joke, that is the point of the laughing Icon.  Alot of what is posted here is tongue and cheek.  I was making a statement about pizza not you.  You in turn made remarks about me and I returned in kind.  Lighten up a little.  

Also I make it a point to leave what is said on the BBs out of the MA, out of respect for the rest of the players.  There is no need to have your squad mates typing BS to me on channel 1 in the MA, unless that is the way you guys are, then carry on.

Lets let bygones be bygones to the Dirty Fokkers.
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 14, 2004, 08:20:39 PM
Well Dred,

I disagree, I find that furballs are few and far between on Pizza Crap.

I agree with you tho, that the other maps also suffer from the same problem as Pizza, the bases are too far apart.
Title: BLAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 68DevilM on April 14, 2004, 08:40:21 PM
PIZZA MAPS FRICKEN SUCKS MAN,  DEFINATELY NOT WORTH PLAYING ON MORE THAN EVERY TWO MONTHS AND MABEY FOR JUST A DAY BUT WHEN IT STAYS UGGGGG:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Title: Pizza
Post by: Morpheus on April 14, 2004, 08:46:19 PM
This is a perfect example of why NOT to do Crack Cocaine.
Title: Pizza
Post by: Hooligan on April 14, 2004, 10:28:57 PM
Please ferchrissakes it's the "PIZZA SUCKS" map.

Hooligan
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 15, 2004, 04:45:23 AM
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Mars ... get his butt kicked ... aaaaaa maybe ... but not likely.
Muhahahaha! I've got a film of Mars in an F4U. He did get his butt kicked. :D And just to think, I was there below 1K while Mars was higher than 8K. And I still lived to land my 6 kills. :) WildThing was there in a F6F and landed 7.

(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/mars01f4u.jpg)

I was going to put Mars out of his misery, but he turned and ran for the ack!  :p

(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/mars01f4u2.jpg)

Still, Mars is to be commended for having given up his LA7/Spit crutch, and for trying out a manly blue plane. Thing is, Mars, you need to fly it like a man, and not an ack running radish. :D And you need to know its limitations. It will turn quite well, but the corner speed is quite low.

So what about the film? Maybe I should post it here. ;) Be very careful what you say, and what claims you make - just in case I do. :cool:
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 15, 2004, 04:46:44 AM
Mars01!!!  just kidding and chain yanking. I'm sure you're very good.
Title: Pizza
Post by: SLO on April 15, 2004, 07:30:16 AM
I liked pizza.....

so did others....
Title: big maps
Post by: 68DevilM on April 15, 2004, 07:35:03 AM
i like the maps okansas and the map where the gv city is encirlced by 10k mountains, there are so many more options on those and too few on the pizza
Title: Pizza
Post by: Morpheus on April 15, 2004, 07:58:32 AM
Title: Pizza
Post by: SlapShot on April 15, 2004, 08:07:15 AM
Beet ...

Chain yankin' or not ... for the most part, your a good guy, but sometimes you can be a complete a**hole.
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 15, 2004, 08:31:44 AM
Ahhh Beet,

Your another maroon lolh.

You go to such lengths to give me such attention.  I bet you go to bed thinking about me.  I think he's sweet on me Slap.:D

I noticed in your pics you are above everyone as usual and there I am on the deck.  Pic speaks for itself.  As for the ack running, post the film so we can all see the real engagement.  Otherwise, it's the usual Beetle hot air.  I have no issues with the way I fly. :D  


I know the hog, your the stat guy you can see for yourself.  I take risks cause its fun, cause this is a game, because I don't need to come here and beat my chest.  I know how good I am and how bad I am and thats all that matters.  As for the plane choice, well I'll fly the spit, la7, hog or whatever because I can.  Pay my 15 a month and I'l fly whatever you want.:lol


Thanks for caring, keep up the cherry picking and undefended base taking:aok .

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I was going to put Mars out of his misery, but he turned and ran for the ack!


Youd have to come down off your cherry pipcking perch, and thats not likely.  Post the film bud!:lol


BTW Beet, please post back the email address I gave you to send the films.  I created it and forgot it lol.
Title: Pizza
Post by: Morpheus on April 15, 2004, 08:36:31 AM
I dont know when this screen shot or film was taken but within the last 2 tours beetle hasnt killed Mars once... Check the stats beetle im sure you know how to do that...

I'd put my bills on Mars over you beet any day of the week and twice on sunday...

btw, can't you ever just stfu beetle?
Title: Pizza
Post by: kj714 on April 15, 2004, 11:49:37 AM
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Originally posted by mars01
Well Dred,

I disagree, I find that furballs are few and far between on Pizza Crap.

I agree with you tho, that the other maps also suffer from the same problem as Pizza, the bases are too far apart.


What about the permanent furball at A1? (right side of the map, mountain pass) There's always one there it seems like.

I'd say I find furballs enough on pizza.

Probably the best thing I like about Pizza is the sneak attacks through the mountains. But, agreed, it does offer a lot of wide open spaces.
Title: Pizza
Post by: Steve on April 15, 2004, 12:03:08 PM
Pizza map SUX.
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 15, 2004, 01:05:47 PM
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Beet ...

Chain yankin' or not ... for the most part, your a good guy, but sometimes you can be a complete a**hole.
:lol  

Ah come on, Slap! None of it is personal. You know that. Don't read in what isn't there. :)

Mars!  I love it when you call me a maroon!
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I noticed in your pics you are above everyone as usual and there I am on the deck. Pic speaks for itself.
OK, here's one for you. This time, I'm on the deck and much slower. You are more than 2K higher than me, but you left this poor 190 for my lunch.

(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/mars01f4u3.jpg)

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Thanks for caring, keep up the cherry picking and undefended base taking
LOL! Undefended? There are SIX knits in my second picture. At one point there were eleven knits in icon range as I flew across your base at deck alt. I twice had a Spit on my 6, and a P51. A guy called Recon saved me both times. Like you say, it's fun to take risks. :D:aok
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Youd have to come down off your cherry pipcking perch, and thats not likely.
Oh sure! See the above - my cherrypicking perch of 136' :lol

So, having climbed all the way to 2.4K (in breach of squad rules - lol) here you come, diving down off your cherry picking perch. Too late to get me. I'm off to land 'em! Can't hang around waiting for you to work out how to use all that alt & speed! :lol

(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/mars01f4u5.jpg)

Title: Pizza
Post by: TracerX on April 15, 2004, 01:45:48 PM
I have always liked the Pizza map.  I thought that people had learned how to work that map finally.  I'm sad to see it has been removed from the rotation.  The more maps are added, the more variety we will need.  It should fit in better as time goes on.

Oh, I see, they took it out so they could get it ready for AH2 rollout :D
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 15, 2004, 01:51:27 PM
Beet your too funny,

When you read "What a Maroon" you have to say it in the Bugs Bunny Voice.:D


Post the film man.  I can cut out pics all day long that make things look one way.

When I said undefended I was talking in general not about that pic:aok

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Ah come on, Slap! None of it is personal. You know that. Don't read in what isn't there.

But he is right lolh:lol
Title: Pizza
Post by: kj714 on April 15, 2004, 03:21:01 PM
Pizza's out for good?

Bienvenidos!


So, here's the question, what map doesn't sux?
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 15, 2004, 03:41:20 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
Post the film man.  I can cut out pics all day long that make things look one way.
What actually happens is this. You seem to have a grievance against me, maybe because I don't play the way you play? So you make false allegations against me. A week or two ago you said things like "you mean I was below 10k and you were well above. You dove in from your perch as usual, with the advantage." - and then go on to say that I had been at 20K and cherrypicking. But an eyewitness recalled the incident, and you were forced to concede that I hadn't been at 20K, but only 8K. You did apologise - accepted.

In this thread, you accuse me of using pictures that "make things look one way", but that is not the full story. Those pictures are in response to a false statement you have made against me. You insinuate thus: "Youd have to come down off your cherry pipcking perch, and thats not likely." The picture of me at 136' at 282mph while you're sitting up at 2.4K and 371mph has been supplied to refute what you said about me. You paint me up to be a 20K cherrypicker who never takes any risks, and I can prove you wrong on all counts.

It's that simple. You accuse me of being full of hot air, but I can demonstrate that it is in fact you that is full of hot air. You invent figures, situations, and cite what I did/did not do, and it's all bollocks! I can refute what you say, and have the film to substantiate my rebuttal.

Yes I could post it, but I find that withholding the film is more fun! That way, you will go on putting your foot in it and I can post the pics to show how wrong you were. :D

There is a simple remedy, Mars. Stop inventing stories about me, and stop making false allegations against me. Because I don't like it.
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 15, 2004, 04:02:47 PM
Beet you go on and on, so you can yank a chain but no one else can. huh.

Post the film or quit BSing.  Anyone can manipulate a film and post random shots out of context.  Until you post it your pics mean nothing except you have to much time on your hands and you need a hobby.:lol

You started this one pal so don't go getting your panties in a bunch.
Title: Pizza
Post by: SlapShot on April 15, 2004, 04:08:10 PM
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Originally posted by kj714
Pizza's out for good?

Bienvenidos!


So, here's the question, what map doesn't sux?


OZKansas (Best of the Best)

FesterMA

Trinity
Title: Pizza HAHAHA
Post by: TheflyingElk on April 15, 2004, 04:41:14 PM
Last time Pizza came up it was our squad nite and our First mission was a classic,
1) Fuel for 38 100
2) Bombs for 38's 2
3) Rocket for red glare
All VH's destroyed Channel 1 Whines PRICELESS!:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Pizza
Post by: Hornet on April 15, 2004, 06:00:18 PM
did beet1e post a screen shot of himself running a few posts ago?


"and the bbs reaches a new low"

:cool:
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 15, 2004, 06:35:37 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
Post the film or quit BSing.  Anyone can manipulate a film and post random shots out of context.  
Not out of context, and not random. Wrong again. Twice.

But your latest post has that "Don't try to confuse the issue with the facts. I know what I'm talking about" ring to it.
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 15, 2004, 09:47:46 PM
You know what Beet,

Slap was right.  If you were just having fun you would have posted the film and had a laugh.  But since you wont, that just proves you are an AHole.  But we all knew that.:lol

So post all the pics you need to make yourself feel better.  I could care less what you and your rabble think.  I play this GAME to have fun.  You need to beat your chest and tell everyone how great you are, but that just shows everyone how great you aren't.:aok

Once again your true colors have shown thru, I guess there is no hope for you.  So climb back up on your perch and wait.:lol
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 16, 2004, 04:07:10 AM
OK Mars. Sorry if I seemed to be beating up on you - note "up" not "off". :lol But you have to admit (and you've done it once already) that you have fabricated stories about me. So I'll make a deal. You post the film of me doing 20K zero-risk cherrypicks, and the films of me running, and I'll post the film you want. Deal?

(Note - do not confuse the Z part of a B&Z attack as "running")
Title: Pizza
Post by: Overlag on April 16, 2004, 05:57:55 AM
the pizza map wasnt too much of a issue to me, it was more the starting locations making really odd and easy to capture fields. Why have each country splitted up 3 times?
Title: Re: odd
Post by: 68DevilM on April 16, 2004, 06:36:02 AM
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Originally posted by ZO2
we had pizza at least 1 time in the last 6 weeks that we can figure and it was only for 16 hours or less and you complaining???????????????????????????????????????:confused:



pizza rules and im very sorry we dont see it more often



yeah well were going on three days of pizza right now:rolleyes:
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 16, 2004, 09:25:02 AM
Sorry Beet,

I don't care about the way you fly enough. :D   My real life leaves precious spare time, so I'd rather be flying than looking for and thru films to prove you or anyone else one way or another.  I'm also comfortable enough about my skills that it doesn't bother me what you or anyone else thinks or says.  I know the truth, I'm having fun and that’s all that counts.

I wanted you to post this film to substantiate your claims.  Unless you do they are pretty pointless claims.  No big deal tho.  If the glove don't fit you must acquit. :aok

As for me fabricating stories, well, so I got the alt wrong.  The rest was pretty accurate.  My bad, that's what I get for flying without my lawyer present. :D  You came in from 8k I was at 2k, climbing out and I should have dove away and ran from the fight.  (Not my Style.  Its just a game.)  I made my peace with that and moved on, perhaps you should too.

When I run into you down on the deck, yanking and banking with the rest, I'll have a reason to change my opinion.

BTW - BnZ is not running, it's cherry picking. :lol  

Intentionally flying into a situation at a lesser advantage and succeeding, that’s where the skills are.  Post that film and I will change my opinion of you.  Till then, it is what it is.  :aok
Title: Pizza
Post by: lazs2 on April 16, 2004, 09:34:02 AM
I figure that if I see players then they are either stupid as me or love to mix it up... I head to the biggest furball and don't try to gain much alt...  maybe 3k   if it is a fur that is farther I may get 5k....  I see mars all the time.  

lately.. I have taken to flying the yak about half the time because I am simply tired of the long flights to nowhere in an fm2 and with the yak I can chase down the "fights"

I kill more easily... the runners and milrunners and sky accountants have less skill than the furballers and there is very little SA skill involved but...

it is less fun..  klling name milkunners is easier than killing the rankest newbie furballer it seems..

When the "missun doodz" are swarming... I end up in the CT.   Festers maps give choice.... pizza sucks map takes away choice and makes for all those grey, unfun "chess men of the sky" boring fights.

lazs
Title: Pizza
Post by: kj714 on April 16, 2004, 12:51:43 PM
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Originally posted by mars01

BTW - BnZ is not running, it's cherry picking. :lol  

Intentionally flying into a situation at a lesser advantage and succeeding, that’s where the skills are.  [/B]


Uhhh, so BnZ is not a valid (non-dweeb) combat method?

Only turnfighting counts?

I don't think I quite agree with that nor would I agree with # 2. Being able to create and maintain your advantage takes skill as well.

I'm not trying to support Beet1e here, but you are smearing a lot of people and their fighting style with that one.
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 16, 2004, 01:03:18 PM
Sorry kj,

I am not discounting anyone’s choice, I also fly BnZ especially when I am in a BnZ plane.  i.e. the Hog for example.  And yes it takes a level of skill to do, but it is starting with and advantage and it is diving in on those lower than you.  So I classify it as Cherry Picking.

It is my own personal opinion and experience that BnZ is easier than flying low and reversing the BnZrs and getting the kill.  Especially when there are multiple BnZs up there.  I don't mean to offend anyone, jsut my opinion and you know what they say, "Opinions are like prettythangholes, everyones got one." :D
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 16, 2004, 01:16:49 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
I wanted you to post this film to substantiate your claims.  Unless you do they are pretty pointless claims.  
... You have made many pointless claims - without any corroborative evidence of any kind - not even a pic. Yet you expect to be taken at your word. "You were at 20K, no wait, maybe it was 8K... or was it 10K? Maybe more?" :rolleyes:
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"When I run into you down on the deck, yanking and banking with the rest, I'll have a reason to change my opinion."
Funny you should say that so soon after saying
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"I'm also comfortable enough about my skills that it doesn't bother me what you or anyone else thinks or says. I know the truth, I'm having fun and that’s all that counts."
I realise you're at the beginning of your F4U self tutelage. When you get a bit further with it, you'll find that it's not a yanking and banking sort of plane. F4U turnfighting on the deck with Spit V/N1K? Erm... I don't think so. Remember, the Hog didn't have to deal with P51/LA7/Spit ix/109 in the real WW2. It's a plane that needs to be flown fast.  But please, do prove me wrong - and post the film.
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"Intentionally flying into a situation at a lesser advantage and succeeding, that’s where the skills are."
Oh puhleeeeeze. :rolleyes: It's beginning to sound like an unofficial squad mantra. (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/puke.gif) Would the hero of your idolatory fantasy be flying a Spit V by any chance? :rolleyes:

I fly at a disadvantage every time I fly, because I never fly the uber trio. :D That's my way of flying at a disadvantage. I was happy enough to get into the top 100 in T49 without recourse to the uber trio or any variants. And before you say they're not uber, let me remind you of what wise man Urchin said about 'em, which was "There's a reason why folks fly [the uber trio]. And we all know what that reason is."
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"Opinions are like prettythangholes, everyones got one."
Actually, my ex-wife had two. I was one of them. ;)
Title: Pizza
Post by: kj714 on April 16, 2004, 01:17:15 PM
ah, no biggie. Shouldn't have stuck my nose in it anyway. First post of the day, need a cup of coffee.
Title: Pizza
Post by: kj714 on April 16, 2004, 01:18:16 PM
retrieving nose and leaving!
Title: Pizza
Post by: kj714 on April 16, 2004, 02:19:52 PM
Back in.

"I can see you standing there, hand on heart, looking up at the flag fluttering in the wind, tears rolling down cheeks as someone attempts to sing about that spangled thing."

Talking about the American Flag, Beet1e? Where are you from?
I'll bet my countrymen have come home wrapped in that flag because they were helping to defend your country at one time or another. Do you really have to be unilaterally offensive in that manner because you are having a tussle with mars?
Title: Pizza
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 17, 2004, 01:45:33 AM
The fundementalist furball crowd just can't stop whining about their lack of skill to keep away from cherry pickers.
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 17, 2004, 03:49:27 AM
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Originally posted by kj714
Talking about the American Flag, Beet1e? Where are you from?
I'll bet my countrymen have come home wrapped in that flag because they were helping to defend your country at one time or another. Do you really have to be unilaterally offensive in that manner because you are having a tussle with mars?
 I'm afraid my remarks were in questionable taste. I do apologise to you, Mars, and any other Americans that may have been reading. I had deliberately made no direct reference to any particular flag, but clearly I still went too close. I've deleted that particular remark.

BUG - I was thinking about you the other day. My bug has been in the garage for 6 months without being driven. Once I got the fuel lines primed it started on the first turn of the key. But I need to sell it...

Yes, the fundamentalist furballers think that their particular skills are the only skills in the game. They talk about people having a "deeper understanding of the game" than someone like me, but they only play what - 25% of the game? They don't do captures, strat, buffs, troop drops, resupp sorties, HQ defence, GVs, PT boats, ship driving... someone like Rod367 does ALL of those things. Guys like him are the ones I respect. I couldn't give a stuff about yanking and banking or "mixing it up on the deck" or "weed wacking" at 2K in a plane clearly not designed for that purpose. Or, even worse, taunting a guy for flying a fast energy fighter for not doing the above. Can you imagine it - a P47D30 at 2K/180mph yanking and banking against a Spit V? :rolleyes: Beam me up, Scotty...
Title: Pizza
Post by: lazs2 on April 17, 2004, 09:19:51 AM
bug... it may be that I lack skill... probably true in fact but... I have noticed that those who fly fast planes are even worse... I run into very few that can put up much of a fight when I fly the yak or tempest.. I simply chase em down and kill em.  if they don't have enough e to run effectively to home or the horde then they simply die...

I find that the newest furballer puts up at least a semblance of a fight.

If the maps have closer fields then the furballers can fight without too much interferance from the extremely timid  er... "realistic" players.  

If the fields are closer then everyone has a choice but.... that is not what the "chose an advantage in the hanger" crowd wants is it?   They want the fields far apart so that if anyone is dumb enough to fly slow early planes... the sky accountants can B&Z em with impunity and if it gets to look like a fight... run away easily.

lazs
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Post by: Morpheus on April 17, 2004, 09:31:49 AM
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Can you imagine it - a P47D30 at 2K/180mph yanking and banking against a Spit V?  Beam me up, Scotty...


Sounds like a challenge to me. Can you imagine that P47 killing that SpitV? Maybe its the challenge of a tough fight that makes the game what it is for some Beetle.

I could fly around in a spit9 all day and probably not die, but how boring would that be...

Its because of the challenge that I turn fight my P51 with spits and many times win. Also many times I die. But it is the challenge that makes it fun. Sure, other times I am not in the mood for that. And I'll fly the 51 the way it flys best, BnZ and bag 10+ kills... That gets boring fast though.

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They talk about people having a "deeper understanding of the game" than someone like me


I dont see how this is posible. I dont think its because they understand the game more than you. Rather, I think the fact that they know how to play the game in a way that they enjoy and that way doesnt fit into your criteria for a "good player".



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I realise you're at the beginning of your F4U self tutelage. When you get a bit further with it, you'll find that it's not a yanking and banking sort of plane. F4U turnfighting on the deck with Spit V/N1K? Erm... I don't think so. Remember, the Hog didn't have to deal with P51/LA7/Spit ix/109 in the real WW2. It's a plane that needs to be flown fast.


Um, reality CHECK.

For starters this isnt "real ww2"

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I realise you're at the beginning of your F4U self tutelage. When you get a bit further with it, you'll find that it's not a yanking and banking sort of plane. F4U turnfighting on the deck with Spit V/N1K? Erm...


WHAT are you afraid of? The F4U is a great turn fighter when light. Its also very good at forcing over shots. You do know what those are right? Its how I make a living when I fly a spit also...

Beetle its very obvious that you do not agree with how others play the game and spend their 15 bucks. We all know this by now... We all couldnt care less...

Drawing pictures like a child, mocking respectable players like Mars is only hurting yourself in the long run.

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but they only play what - 25% of the game?


Maybe, sometimes thats all they have time for? A quick fun fight then off to work. Or off to spend time with their families? I know many times I only have 10-15 minutes to play... I am not going to spend those 10-15 minutes flying a resuply goon... I dont think anyone else in that situation would either...
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Post by: Rino on April 17, 2004, 09:37:09 AM
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Originally posted by ZO2
we had pizza at least 1 time in the last 6 weeks that we can figure and it was only for 16 hours or less and you complaining???????????????????????????????????????:confused:



pizza rules and im very sorry we dont see it more often


     The Great Rinoini foretells the future:

     This clown will be a senior member in 2 weeks and will have
contributed virtually nothing in any of those posts.
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 17, 2004, 11:07:22 AM
Morph - I agree with a lot of what you say - especially about P51 seal clubbing becoming boring and all that.

OK, it's not real WW2 and I can tell you don't want it to be. I don't either - of course I don't. What each of us wants in terms of realism differs greatly. Some people I knew even dressed in a WW2 get-up to play WB!! Some wanted 8 hour buff sorties, some want to see engine management controls like mixture, prop governor, carb heat, cowl flaps etc. I do not. This is a game played from a keyboard.

But having said that, I hate to see the game go too far in the opposite direction, and end up with the meaningless arcade gameplay we have these days, especially on the small maps. So you can turn a P47D30 with a N1K - what does that prove? That your joystick settings are finely tuned?

I appreciate that you and many others have RL commitments. But I don't agree that this should be used as a justification to withdraw maps like the pizza map. If you really are so short of time, take a week off from AH when pizza comes around. That's what I used to do when the small maps came around, one week in every cycle. Then the rotation was changed and I had to take 2 weeks off. :mad:

As for the pictures, these were extracted from the film that Mars is so anxious to see. ;) I'm showing him the film one frame at a time. :lol

On the respect thing: Respect is a two-way street. When the furball fundamentalists stop disrespecting people who want to play the other 75% of the game (the strat ¾) with  labels like "strategeerist", "sky accountant", "toolshed killer", "fluffer" etc., then I will start to respect them. But when someone makes a false accusation/allegation about me, and I can prove it, they're going to get it with both barrels. Simple as that. (Yes, I can buy a shotgun ;) )

In about 2 hours time, I am going to post that F4U film right here in this thread. If mars01 or anyone else decides to rubbish it, then you will clearly see that there is no respect coming in my direction. Will you still expect me to respect the furballing fundamentalists, should that be the case? Watch the reaction it gets, and you'll see why the game is so polarised between strat players and furball fundamentalists.
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 17, 2004, 11:08:40 AM
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... You have made many pointless claims - without any corroborative evidence of any kind - not even a pic. Yet you expect to be taken at your word. "You were at 20K, no wait, maybe it was 8K... or was it 10K? Maybe more?"

Beet I think my posts have covered this.  You posted a few pics that show nothing.  You want to make a point post the film, otherwise this horse is dead you necrophiliac, quit beating it. :D

AS for the rest beet and bug...

Morph, Kj and Lazs said it all.  I couldn't have said it any better or in so few words :D.


LOL Rhino.
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 17, 2004, 11:11:36 AM
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As for the pictures, these were extracted from the film that Mars is so anxious to see.  I'm showing him the film one frame at a time.  



Bwahhahahaha  Not anxious at all beet, would just like some real evidence rather than some cheeky pics.

Why aren't you posting it now, is it going to be in full or cut up variants?  It would be just your nature to have a clip here spliced with a clip there.  This otta be good:lol
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 17, 2004, 02:26:27 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
Bwahhahahaha  Not anxious at all beet, would just like some real evidence rather than some cheeky pics.

Why aren't you posting it now, is it going to be in full or cut up variants?  It would be just your nature to have a clip here spliced with a clip there.  This otta be good:lol
Morph - as you can see, there is little respect here - hope this illustrates what I was talking about. By the way, Moprheus, you said
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I know many times I only have 10-15 minutes to play... I am not going to spend those 10-15 minutes flying a resuply goon... I dont think anyone else in that situation would either...
Well I just checked your scores, and you generally spend about 100 hours a month playing AH. 126 hours in T49 :eek: That compares with my <50 in any recent tour, usually less than 40 and sometimes as little as 25. So it's funny that you're the one playing the "I don't have time/RL commitments" card. Oh wait, don't tell me - you've got a 6 year old that plays your account while you're busy in RL. :p

Mars01 - no need for splicing! I wouldn't even know how to do that with the film editor (haven't downloaded the full instructions). But I leave all the fabrications to you. My SA is not the best, and I have no skill, but at least I know the difference between 20K and 8K. :lol
Title: Pizza
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 17, 2004, 02:32:55 PM
when i'm in a bnz mood (depends alot on the fuel state) last thing i want is mix myself up in a furball crowd.

I love to do 1 on 1 fights but , i just can't in a furball crowd if i do i will find my p38 fast in slow low where all the niks spits and other tnb planes come in.

I don't mind the furballs i just fly around em when i feel to.
defending a base against a (strategic??) congo line doesn't bother me too.

i always fly alone that's got most to do with my flying style.
I don't have the buds that protect me.



I didn't drive my bug for 6 months also it's waiting for better times
nothin broken it's just time and money :)
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 17, 2004, 02:50:14 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
i always fly alone that's got most to do with my flying style.
I don't have the buds that protect me.
You and me both, BUG. And believe me, it makes a huge difference.
Title: Pizza
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 17, 2004, 04:00:33 PM
It's scary :)
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 17, 2004, 06:11:38 PM
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Morph - as you can see, there is little respect here - hope this illustrates what I was talking about.


After all your BS, you think you still have my respect.  You were on your way to earning it up until your little rant here Beet.  If you were sincere you would have posted that film up front instead of pandering like you have.  That is the main reason I think your a little fishy and you have something to hide or an alternative motive.

So don't go crying now that you made your bed.
Title: Pizza
Post by: Morpheus on April 17, 2004, 06:48:19 PM
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Well I just checked your scores, and you generally spend about 100 hours a month playing AH. 126 hours in T49  That compares with my <50 in any recent tour, usually less than 40 and sometimes as little as 25. So it's funny that you're the one playing the "I don't have time/RL commitments" card. Oh wait, don't tell me - you've got a 6 year old that plays your account while you're busy in RL


Beetle I will start by asking you if you really wonder why you have lost respect of others here.

I mean someone will make a statment as I did, and you will turn, twist and manipulate that statment and taylor it to your own personal vendetta. Dont ask me what it is that makes you do this. I could come up with a dozen or so posible reasons why you do this but then I would be drug down to your level... No Way No Thanks...

What I said was simply this.... (If you had read what I wrote in the first place I would not have to waste my time explaining something so simple to you...)Thats besides the point... OK here We go...

Many including myself at nights only have a few minutes to come on and fight... I dont feel like helping out all of the time with your "war effort" and I dont... If I feel the need to hop into a goon and bring troops to a base or resuply a base I will... IF AND ONLY IF I have that kind of time to do that...

More than most of my nights include hopping on and off line for a few minutes at a time to get a fight in land some kills and log back off... Watch some TV eat some dinner.... WHATEVER... you get my point... I am not about to hand you a schedule of when I fly and for how long...

The fact you even check my stats tells me how pitifly desperate you are to try and prove what ever meaningless point you are after.

THE WHOLE FACT OF THE MATTER HERE IS BEETLE, it is absolutly none of you Gdamn bissness what people do or how the play this game... A wise man once said... SHUT YOUR MOUTH, KNOW YOUR ROLE... makes sence dont it? I think so... Just keep your trap shut already about others styles of flying... The insults that you spew are pathedic... THe remarks you make about others and how they play this GAME are rediculous... You constantly insist on flaming others, ripping them up, down, left and right when you pops.... YOU yourself need to take a look in the mirror...

I have a big problem with people who cant mind their own damn bissness. Those who stick their big fat nose where it never belonged in the first place need a hobby, THEY NEED IT NOW...

I must admit beetle when you posted those pictures, said what you said about my flag, ANYONES FLAG, continuted to flame Mars and others... And then come around with the audasity to act like you dont know why people dont respect you... I nearly pissed my pants...

Wake up bro... You sling mud around you better expect to get a little dirty...

I will end by saying this... I know mars... I've faught him 1v1... Plane for plane... Your out classed...
Title: Pizza
Post by: Morpheus on April 17, 2004, 06:50:14 PM
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As for the pictures, these were extracted from the film that Mars is so anxious to see. I'm showing him the film one frame at a time.


PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
Title: Pizza
Post by: WldThing on April 17, 2004, 06:55:32 PM
~Deja Vu all over again~
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 17, 2004, 08:16:34 PM
:lol
Title: Pizza
Post by: DipStick on April 17, 2004, 09:38:30 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
i always fly alone that's got most to do with my flying style.
I don't have the buds that protect me.

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Originally posted by Beet1e
You and me both, BUG. And believe me, it makes a huge difference.
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You ever think maybe it's because you're both such A-holes you don't have any buds? :lol
Title: Pizza
Post by: Morpheus on April 18, 2004, 12:49:50 AM
O3WNED
Title: Pizza
Post by: Steve on April 18, 2004, 12:57:52 AM
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There's a reason why folks fly [the uber trio]. And we all know what that reason is."



Uhh actually this message is completely up to interpretation... never made clear.  You fall back on it  a lot yet I realyl am not sure what Urchin menat when he said it.
Title: Pizza
Post by: Steve on April 18, 2004, 01:06:28 AM
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then I will start to respect them.


Whom do you respect?  You regularly bag on guys that fly the 51, furballers and their ilk, and anyone else that doesn't fly the way you do.
  Do you respect anyone?  You seem to think you are somehow more noble because you fly an F4U.  You fly it like most people would fly an F4U, from an advantageous position...... in short, you BnZ.  Rather mundane as far as being noble...... not that I can find one style of play that is somehow on higher ground than any other.

You have again said flying a 51 is like clubbing seals.  Tell ya what, (horn tooting makes my skin crawl but here goes)  reach the same success in a pony as I do and then we'll talk about clubbing seals.  Don't give me some crap about how boring it would be, you've never done it... you have no idea.
Title: Pizza
Post by: Urchin on April 18, 2004, 01:18:07 AM
Well, I've always been a "plane" guy in the plane vs pilot debate.  And the reason folks fly those planes is quite simply because they are better than the other planes.  Does that make it "wrong" to fly those planes?  Of course not.  But I have a lot more respect for someone who can mix it up in a P-47, or Ki-61, or 190, than I do for someone who is relying on the Spit or Nik to compensate for a lack of skill that could be rectified with a little effort.  

All that said, I've got more respect for anyone who fights, in anything, than I do for anyone that flies in an extraordinarily timid way.  

I don't even have a problem with "strat" guys, so much as I have a problem with "Strat" guys who suicide into fuel, or who get together in a humongous horde to milkrun some base, and rely on their numbers to dissuade anyone from picking a fight with them.
Title: Pizza
Post by: Urchin on April 18, 2004, 01:22:16 AM
Oh and Steve...  I don't really include the P-51D in there with the rest.  I think it is popular because it has "name" recognition, not really because of its performance.  It does have good performance, but it isn't outstanding by any means.  Personally, I feel the G-10 and D-9 are better aircraft than the P-51D.  

The Spitfire also sees a lot of use because of name recognition, but I'd wager there are a lot of folks that use it simply because it is the best plane at hand.  Likewise, the people who want to great performance but are afraid to fight usually fly the La-7.  You couldn't tell me (with a straight face anyway) that the La-7 and N1K2 are so popular in the MA because they are well-known WW2 airplanes that everybody hears about.  I'll buy that argument for the P-51D and the Spitfire... but not for the other two.
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Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 18, 2004, 02:44:41 AM
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You ever think maybe it's because you're both such A-holes you don't have any buds?


And who are u ??

never called u anything and u just start calling me an *******

O ur the  dipstick.....keep jerkin it
MoTh3rplower
Title: Pizza
Post by: DipStick on April 18, 2004, 03:47:12 AM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
And who are u ??

never called u anything and u just start calling me an *******

O ur the  dipstick.....keep jerkin it
MoTh3rplower

Didn't call you anything, just asked a question. You did answer it however, thanks.

PS... Don't matter who I am. I don't fly up there over 20k so you'll never run into me in the MA.
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 18, 2004, 04:37:38 AM
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
I mean someone will make a statment as I did, and you will turn, twist and manipulate that statment and taylor it to your own personal vendetta. Dont ask me what it is that makes you do this.
No turning, no twisting and no manipulation. The simple truth is that the furball fundamentalists often claim that they "don't have time" to fly the "vast distances" between fields on maps like pizza, and try to use that as a justification to have maps changed. I did not have to turn/twist/manipulate. That's what you do when you make those ridiculous claims about "not having time" etc. All I did was a simple check on your score, and found that you spend an average 3 to 4 hours every day in the MA, not including tower time. But as always, guys like you and Mars cannot bear to be confronted with the facts. You tried to play the "I haven't the time" card, and you got rumbled. Deal with it.

Incidentally, I flew from one airbase to another in a P47D25 on the pizza map, and it took about 6 minutes. So if folks were to fight between the bases instead of at the bases, each side would only have about 3 minutes to fly to the combat area. I don't think that's excessive at all.

Steve! Welcome to the flamefest! Urchin too! You guys are good, and Steve - a lot of my P51 bagging is not directed at you. Urchin is right, and many of the people choosing certain planes choose them because they are the best planes and/or the easiest in which to get results. So then yet more pilots will fly those same planes in order to compete with the first set of guys. I mean, what are you going to do? Go chasing after a P51 in a Hurri-1?

Yeah, I'll B&Z in a F4U. And I haven't seen any films to suggest there might be a better way to fly it.
Title: Pizza
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 18, 2004, 05:09:50 AM
dipstick u are calling names no doubt and now u say u didn't
u did
oh and
ill beat ur bellybutton anytime, try me especialy 1 on 1 in a p38

i fly all altitudes never said i fly over 20k only... never
Title: Pizza
Post by: lazs2 on April 18, 2004, 10:24:53 AM
urchin... the maps are designed for the peee 51.   it can kill the fuel and the only plane worth taking up with 25% is.... the peeee 51.  a circle jerk.

lazs
Title: Pizza
Post by: DREDIOCK on April 18, 2004, 11:10:55 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
urchin... the maps are designed for the peee 51.   it can kill the fuel and the only plane worth taking up with 25% is.... the peeee 51.  a circle jerk.

lazs


Laz. Just curious as to the plane you fly.
Title: Pizza
Post by: SlapShot on April 18, 2004, 11:23:09 AM
"Incidentally, I flew from one airbase to another in a P47D25 on the pizza map, and it took about 6 minutes. So if folks were to fight between the bases instead of at the bases, each side would only have about 3 minutes to fly to the combat area. I don't think that's excessive at all."

Embelishemnt alert !!! Embelishemnt alert !!! ... smoke and mirrors all over the place ... :D
Title: Pizza
Post by: SlapShot on April 18, 2004, 12:06:57 PM
Why must the "dweeb" moniker be attached to any plane ? Why must one's measure of manliness be attributed to what plane they fly ?

You have never seen me accuse anybody of being a "dweeb" for any reason and you never will. If I get shot down in my P-38, or any plane for that fact, is not because "he" flew a "dweeb" plane or one of Beet1e's uber trio ... it's because I screwed up ... simple as that.

There is a enormous amount of new players in this game, and if one could regress back to when they first started flying this game or any flight sim, they would probably realize that they too chose the EASIEST plane to fly that would get them some kills. It's only natural.

When I started, the first plane that I took was the P-51 (for the reasons that Urchin stated) and the outcome was miserable. Can you say ... stall ... flat-spin ... auger. So, I was told to jump into the Spit IX. Well now were talkin'. I could fly it without dieing before I reached a target. I learned alot flying this plane.

I got tired of the Spit, so I chose the La-7 mainly cause so many people were pissin' and moanin' about it so I had to see what it was all about. Well, we all know its strenghts, but not all know its weaknesses. This is not an easy plane to dogfight in, but its moniker is attained by those that choose the "one-pass-haul-butt" move, along with the fact that it can and does run down the majority of the planes available.

If and when you see an La-7 stick around and actually fight, you know you got someone behind the stick that can fight, and you will be in for a good fight. Again, I learned alot flying this plane.

Next was the Spit V. I chose this, cause it was the opposite of the La-7, this plane CANNOT run ... you are forced to fight. Granted, its a twisty-turny bugger, but that is what its strong points are, but it is a big fat target to any and all once the fight starts. Again, I learned alot flying this plane.

Now I am onto the P-38 and trying to learn how to correctly fly this monster. Yes its fast, yes it has a great gun loadout and centerline guns, but it too is a BIG fat target and when not flown correctly, you will not survive very long ... can u say compression.

In between these main rides, I flew a smattering of other planes mainly leaning towards US naval aircraft (FM2 : F6-F : F4-U) and learned alot flying these planes.

My point is not to give you a detailed history of my fight sim progression, but to point out that my progression is more than likely very similar to alot of the players that we have in the game today. There are alot of new players coming to this game everyday and they are climbing the progression latter, which more than likely puts them into the uber trio plane set. OH MY GOD !!!.

Also, the degrading smack talk that flows over ch 1 I believe forces people to be timid. All the crap such as ...

"1234563 you no skilled newb number guy ... you suk"

some newbie reads this crap and says to themselfs ... wow, I am not going to set myself up for that type of abuse. Once the tables turn on me, I am outta Dodge !!!

The response should have been ...

"1234563 you started your merge way too soon, next time wait until you are closer <>"

Bottom line to all of this ... so fediddlein' what !!! Quit worrying and crying about what the other guy flies. Get better at ACM when dealing with ANY plane or just quit.

Sorry .. I didn't realize that I wrote a wall-of-text ... :D
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 18, 2004, 12:12:07 PM
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Also, the degrading smack talk that flows over ch 1 I believe forces people to be timid. All the crap such as ...

"1234563 you no skilled newb number guy ... you suk"

some newbie reads this crap and says to themselfs ... wow, I am not going to set myself up for that type of abuse. Once the tables turn on me, I am outta Dodge !!!

The response should have been ...

"1234563 you started your merge way too soon, next time wait until you are closer <>"

Bottom line to all of this ... so fediddlein' what !!! Quit worrying and crying about what the other guy flies. Get better at ACM when dealing with ANY plane or just quit.

Here Here !!!
Title: Pizza
Post by: Morpheus on April 18, 2004, 01:50:12 PM
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I did not have to turn/twist/manipulate. That's what you do when you make those ridiculous claims about "not having time" etc.


The fact of the matter here is, is that others really DO NOT have the time to do resuply runs ect ect ect...

Who in the hell are you to assume I have the time to fly the way YOU want me to fly? Go screw...

Many times I'll be in the MA but will be afk doing other things... And will only come to the computer when I get a few minutes for a fight... Others I'll be here from 6pm to 12 or 1am... Thats where the real fight time is... Funny how I never see your name in lights... Hmmm... Anyways...

I'll tell you what beetle... You want everyone to fly the way you fly... Tell us how you fly... You make yourself out to be such a "hero" and above everyone else who doesnt take to your pathedic ways of flying... The fact is there are a few sticks in the MA who I truley love and look forward to going 1v1 with and when I do end up on that rare occasion going 1v1  with these select few its a dam good fight... Your not one of them... *****footing around such as you do then flaming others in their styles of flying is down right absurd

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You tried to play the "I haven't the time" card, and you got rumbled. Deal with it.


This quote here pretty much sums up the type of lunatic we are dealing with here folks.

I'll be honest with you beetle... When I posted that what I meant was others..... OTHERS... You cant be that thick headed that you cant understand a simple sentence... Or can you?

I have alot of time many nights... I will roll goons if needed.. I'll roll bombers and go afk... Still... I want to know..
The many other nights I'll be off line doing the things that are most important in life... Being with REAL LIFE PEOPLE... You should try it beetle...

Check all the stats you want, it will never change the fact that you are a moron for thinking you can tell others how to fly and even more so for thinking you are anyone to judge others of how they do it...

Who do you think you are to judge others?

Answer that one question for me...
Title: Pizza
Post by: Furball on April 18, 2004, 01:54:27 PM
fight! fight! fight!

(http://fruitbowl.spcomplete.com/images/Fight.gif)

:D
Title: Pizza
Post by: Steve on April 18, 2004, 02:08:58 PM
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Yeah, I'll B&Z in a F4U. And I haven't seen any films to suggest there might be a better way to fly it.


Well, this is my point really. It's not an attack on you by any means.  To clarify:  There isn't much difference in a guy who sets up over an enemy in a position of advantage, extreme ends of the spectrum excluded, whether he is in an F4U or D9.  An experienced pilot in both cases would probably use his advantageous position to kill the bogie in the most expedient manner...  usually BnZ.  There's nothing wrong with this, it's the best way to kill a guy and maintain one's "E" for the next encounter.


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Personally, I feel the G-10 and D-9 are better aircraft than the P-51D.


Ya, Urch.   I've learned the hard way that if it comes down to a fight, either of those planes is more than a match for the mustang, pilots being comparably skilled.  If ya can't get the enough speed to compress the G10... real trouble.  A 51 isn't going to run away from a determined D9 and its' phenominal roll rate makes a high speed scissor/turn affair a real nightmare for the 51.
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 18, 2004, 04:22:03 PM
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Originally posted by Steve
Well, this is my point really. It's not an attack on you by any means.  To clarify:  There isn't much difference in a guy who sets up over an enemy in a position of advantage, extreme ends of the spectrum excluded, whether he is in an F4U or D9.  An experienced pilot in both cases would probably use his advantageous position to kill the bogie in the most expedient manner...  usually BnZ.  There's nothing wrong with this, it's the best way to kill a guy and maintain one's "E" for the next encounter.
Steve - thanks for your honesty! In WB, when you selected your plane there was a short text file you could read which described your plane, its role in WW2 and its strengths and weaknesses. For the F4U1D the text read something like "...but down low, the F4U pilot will have his hands full just trying to survive". In other words, it's not a yanker and banker. If anyone knows different, I'm all ears. But I would want to see the films...

Morpheus - lol!  I don't know how often you get laid, but it isn't often enough. Someone needs to take you by the scruff of the neck and hold a plastic beaker to your mouth so you can bite down on the rim and get that venom out - like milking a snake.
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Others I'll be here from 6pm to 12 or 1am... Thats where the real fight time is... Funny how I never see your name in lights... Hmmm... Anyways...
Ah yes, US Gangbang time. Three reasons you don't see me online then. 1) I do not live in America 2) the earth is not flat. 3) it sux.
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Being with REAL LIFE PEOPLE... You should try it beetle...
Yes I do that - often during AH prime time. My girlfriend was here. Right after I read your post last night, the scene in here was --> :lol:) And after I told my girlfriend about your rant, the scene became --> :lol:lol

Still relaxed from yesterday, and enjoying life so... ner-ner-ni-ner-ner! :p:p
Title: Pizza
Post by: Morpheus on April 18, 2004, 07:31:53 PM
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Morpheus - lol! I don't know how often you get laid, but it isn't often enough. Someone needs to take you by the scruff of the neck and hold a plastic beaker to your mouth so you can bite down on the rim and get that venom out - like milking a snake.


ROFL... I could really rip on you with this one but I wont go there... Some things are just too easy and this is one of those things. FYI its about twice a day... Long live college life;)

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I do not live in America


No need to tell us that... We are for one very greatful for this fact and secondly, we already know.

As for all this "venom" you say I have... Its simple...

I dont like you.

I'll say it again... You flame everyone else on just about everything they do in the GAME because it doesnt come in line with how you play this GAME. Then try to act buddy buddy after you insult them... Are  you are retard? Or does this sort of thing just come naturally?

Nothing of what I've said had anything to do between you and I... It was simple observations on my part of your moronic remarks toward several good guys in the game that forced me to step in.
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 18, 2004, 07:46:45 PM
Morph - oh, no-one's forcing you...
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Others I'll be here from 6pm to 12 or 1am... Thats where the real fight time is...
What, US Gangbang time, when there are about 600 online?
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The fact is there are a few sticks in the MA who I truley love and look forward to going 1v1 with and when I do end up on that rare occasion going 1v1 with these select few its a dam good fight... Your not one of them...
[list=1]
  • Ask me if I care.
  • If 1v1 is so important, why do you say that the "real" fight time is in US Gangbang time when there will be 600 online? I mean, why do you need 600 for a 1v1? Or do you just like lots of people to see your name in lights?
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No need to tell us that... We are for one very greatful for this fact and secondly, we already know.
Who is "we"? A Royal "we"? Or are you simply schizophrenic? :lol What a tosser...
Title: Pizza
Post by: Morpheus on April 18, 2004, 09:50:45 PM
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Who is "we"?


Any and all whom you've flammed and those who, like me, have watched you flame others.

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I mean, why do you need 600 for a 1v1? Or do you just like lots of people to see your name in lights?


The more people the more targets, the more chance encounters of 1v1 fights. Sure you are able to scrounge up a 1v1 or even better, a 1v2 durring mid day and early morning hours but they are few and far between...

My name in lights? Couldnt care less... Maybe thats important to you I guess... Because it doesnt come around too often.

In regards to your statment of 600 players for one rook to fight... This simply does not happen. Most nights you have 150+/- on either side... For a rook or a night or a bish for that matter... THat would equal about 300+/-. A far cry from your gang banging 600 number.
Title: Pizza
Post by: WldThing on April 18, 2004, 10:57:52 PM
I think we all need to share the love that i enjoy so much,  all kiss and make up ya hear? :aok
Title: Pizza
Post by: Steve on April 18, 2004, 11:40:17 PM
*Sigh*  my first (and only) flight on pizza tonight and this is what I had to deal with all flight:


(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/335_1082349433_pizzaalts.jpg)

These guys went over me, didn't bother to come down.  Later, I invited a high 190 to engage me and he declined.... afk... maybe, afraid of a 1v1 in spite of the huge advantage...probably.
Title: Pizza
Post by: Dead Man Flying on April 19, 2004, 12:12:21 AM
Pizza Map... where fun goes to die.

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: Pizza
Post by: Estes on April 19, 2004, 12:27:22 AM
hehe, that sig material Lev. :)
Title: Pizza
Post by: DREDIOCK on April 19, 2004, 01:23:52 AM
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Pizza Map... where fun goes to die.

-- Todd/Leviathn


Your fun, not mine.
My fun was dead last week,
Your turn
Title: Pizza
Post by: Dead Man Flying on April 19, 2004, 01:35:03 AM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Your fun, not mine.
My fun was dead last week,
Your turn


Does this mean you're not going to use it in a sig?

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 19, 2004, 03:05:25 AM
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Originally posted by WldThing
I think we all need to share the love that i enjoy so much,  all kiss and make up ya hear? :aok
Indeed, especially as Pizza is back up. :D And even though it's 4am EDT, there are 164 people online in the MA...

Morpheus! I flame those who flame me - that's all. You just happened to come in half way through. Mars and I go back a way. ;) I shouldn't have called you a tosser. A maroon is much nicer. Cracks me up when Mars calls me a maroon! :lol As for the MA peak attendance - I'm only going on what I've been told...

Steve, I appreciate your frustration with the 190s, but I think those guys could have been looking for buffs if they were at 25K and wouldn't come down.
Title: Pizza
Post by: 68DevilM on April 19, 2004, 07:14:41 AM
i cant believe people are still posting about this crappy map:rolleyes:
Title: Pizza
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 19, 2004, 07:31:44 AM
It's hard to believe that pilots like lev can't find the fun.
maybe it's a skill i don't know.

I mean there is radar so....
Title: Pizza
Post by: lasersailor184 on April 19, 2004, 07:36:42 AM
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You have never seen me accuse anybody of being a "dweeb" for any reason and you never will. If I get shot down in my P-38, or any plane for that fact, is not because "he" flew a "dweeb" plane or one of Beet1e's uber trio ... it's because I screwed up ... simple as that.


Man, I must be screwing up all the time then...
Title: Pizza
Post by: lazs2 on April 19, 2004, 07:52:44 AM
yeah bug... chasing radar bars that disapear halfway to the enemy base or... that grow so large that all you find is 20 sky accountants at 15K all circling waiting for some slow plane that flew a sector and a half to get to em.. then.. if you try to go home you have a dozen guys who have now found their courage, chasing you.  if you kill all dozen you may make it back.

with far fields the bar means very little.

lazs
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 19, 2004, 08:00:17 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
with far fields the bar means very little.
Hehe, with close fields you don't even need radar. You can just look across - and maybe even hear the siren from the next field!
Title: Pizza
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 19, 2004, 08:50:44 AM
I come to the conclusion we should have a map with 1 airfield on it.
Bishes spawn North rwy
Rooks spawn South rwy
Knight (maybe delete knits) spawn East

If we delete the knits we can do it from a single runway.
Oh and maybe we can do the base underground about  -1000ft
for extra power on the La7.

Please HTC give us this map
:aok
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 19, 2004, 10:00:57 AM
You know Beet,

You have been in worse form as of late.  You attack the person, then apologize and do the same thing.  It's just lip service.  Then your little pic posting affair, which started out funny, just went to far.  If you posted the film we all would have had laugh and gotten on.  But you obviously had other intentions.  So I can understand where Morph is comming from.

And when I call you or anyone else a maroon, it is done in jokingly mannor.  I'm sure most of you know Bugs Bunny.  If you see me post, "What a Maroon".  Please at least read it in the Bugs Bunny voice, lighten up and have a laugh.

I know Pizza Crap carries some emotion on both sides of the fence, but let's all go back to talking about the game and not each other.  Lets face it, we are all birds of a feather here.

Wld's right.

all and SMOOOOCH:D

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Hehe, with close fields you don't even need radar.
I think that was the original point.  Who wants to chase dar bars, fly a sector or more, only to be too late and miss the fight or get ganged.  It's no fun.  When the bases are closer together it allows more people to get to the fight in a timely mannor so a decent fight ensues and can be sustained.

Personally I would like to see all the maps move the fields closer together, but I realize there are different people with different likes, so I don't mind if half the fields have greater distances.  I think Festers maps have shown everyone that, making a map where half the bases are close together and the other half are farther apart allows everyone to have fun.  If they applied this to the other maps we would not have these conversations and we would all be spending alot more time in the MA instead of the BBs.
Title: Pizza
Post by: lazs2 on April 19, 2004, 02:06:37 PM
well... I for one do not mind upping a field and seeing a swarm of what may be 10 planes or so appear as dots on the horizon at about 4 or 5k down to the deck... I fly strait to that mass.

lazs
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 20, 2004, 06:29:33 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
Personally I would like to see all the maps move the fields closer together, but I realize there are different people with different likes, so I don't mind if half the fields have greater distances. I think Festers maps have shown everyone that, making a map where half the bases are close together and the other half are farther apart allows everyone to have fun.  If they applied this to the other maps we would not have these conversations and we would all be spending alot more time in the MA instead of the BBs.
Wow Mars - has someone hijacked your account? You're seeing something from someone else's point of view! :eek: Good show. :aok I think Slapshot has got to you - and he has a good sense of balance and fair play.

And that's all I ask - balance and fair play.

Now that you have shown this, how can I refuse to post the film?

So post it I will. I had to filter out the voice; We were all there bantering in Italian, and then I started to sing Wild Thing by the Troggs. WT wasted no time telling me that I'd ruined it - lol. But I hung out with him, escorted him home and gave him some ACM tips along the way. ;) The first film shows our attack on your base, and then there's a film showing our victorious landing at the CV.

Long awaited film (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/film196f4u1dwithwildthing.zip)

Rip me up and rubbish me all you want. Morpheus too. Hehe that's OK - I have film/pics of Morph's vulch fest tonight. :D
Title: Pizza
Post by: WldThing on April 20, 2004, 07:03:38 PM
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Originally posted by beet1e
So post it I will. I had to filter out the voice; We were all there bantering in Italian, and then I started to sing Wild Thing by the Troggs. WT wasted no time telling me that I'd ruined it - lol. But I hung out with him, escorted him home and gave him some ACM tips along the way. ;) The first film shows our attack on your base, and then there's a film showing our victorious landing at the CV.
 


hehehehe,  ya that was a fun night :) :aok
Title: Pizza
Post by: kj714 on April 20, 2004, 08:01:13 PM
Heh, nice shooting Beet1e.

You missed a Spittie though.
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 21, 2004, 02:05:34 PM
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Wow Mars - has someone hijacked your account? You're seeing something from someone else's point of view!  Good show.  I think Slapshot has got to you - and he has a good sense of balance and fair play.


Yeah, I've only stated this in every post I've written.  Glad you finally took the blinders off and have finally seen it. :rolleyes:
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 21, 2004, 07:15:10 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
Yeah, I've only stated this in every post I've written.  Glad you finally took the blinders off and have finally seen it. :rolleyes:
You're my favourite maroon! :D
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 21, 2004, 07:43:08 PM
Well I just watched your film Beet,

Me ack running.  Hmmm don't there have to actually be live ack for that to hold true?  So I was right when I said that was BS.

I think I was over 4k at one point for a whole 2 seconds after zoom climbinb from the deck, hmm so squandering alt, BS.  

Interesting, your pics made it look and sound like it was just you and Wldthng at the base, but you guys definatly had the high cap.  

All in all your film didn't substanciate one of your claims.  No wonder you took so long to show it.:lol


What a maroon:D
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 22, 2004, 04:39:46 AM
Mars01

My reasons for the initial posting in this thread were because the claims you are so fond of making on this BBS do not tally with the way I have seen you fly.
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Originally posted by mars01
Intentionally flying into a situation at a lesser advantage and succeeding, that’s where the skills are.  
Like certain other people I could mention, you're full of that yanking and banking on the deck is the only way to do it, and you're a dweeb if you do anything else claptrap. At least I admit I B&Z in a F4U and have never claimed to have any skill.

But you went against your own BS claims in that film. "Intentionally flying into a situation at a lesser advantage and succeeding, that’s where the skills are." You flew away from your base in my direction at low alt, but as I turned back towards your base, you turned 180°. You sure as hell did not fly into a situation at a lesser advantage and succeed. You turned and ran. And I would have done exactly that in your position. But then I don't make BS claims to the opposite effect.
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Interesting, your pics made it look and sound like it was just you and Wldthng at the base, but you guys definatly had the high cap.
No, if you would look at those pics again, you will see that in addition to myself and WildThing, 707200, DIE, jarski and Recon are also shown in those pics. And now that you have the film, you will see that there were at least 11 knits present in icon range.

I didn't see you for a while after I killed that 109 at about 4K. The next time I saw you, were you yanking and banking in a 1v1? Were you "mixing it up on the deck"? No, you were not. You came screaming into the base and were doing 414mph when you opened fire on Recon. Hey, I might have done the same thing, but again - I don't make BS claims about Y&B and/or mixing it on the deck.

You say one thing, and you do another.

But you're still my favourite maroon. :D
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 22, 2004, 09:54:34 AM
Beet,

You see what you whant to see.  Your right about one thing you came in cherry picking as usual.:D   Thats all I have ever said about you.  

I never claimed chery picking is dweebery, I just claimed it's cherry picking.

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you're full of that yanking and banking on the deck is the only way to do it, and you're a dweeb if you do anything else claptrap.
Don't put words in my mouth.  Looks like your blinders are back on, too bad.  I said,
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Intentionally flying into a situation at a lesser advantage and succeeding, that’s where the skills are.
 Take the blinders off Beet.  

If anyone watches the film they will see that you guys came in high, had the high cap and started the cherry pic.  I have nothing agaist cherry picking, I do it when there are no decent fights to be found.  Your the one that gets all bent about it.
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You flew away from your base in my direction at low alt, but as I turned back towards your base, you turned 180°. You sure as hell did not fly into a situation at a lesser advantage and succeed.
Watch your film again Beet, from my pilot view.  You were so high I didn't even see you.  I looked for one instance where your icon came into my view and it never happened.  As for turning and running, well thats just another Beet BS claim.  To your own admition, flying anything other than your uber 3 is 1 disadvantage.  On the deck another.  With multiple high cappers  above, another.


Watch the film , I'm the F4U1 on the deck and your the 1D high above.  Nuff said.

You've wasted enough time with this little tyrade and pack of lies.  Again as I stated you see what you want to see and fill in the blanks to make it look like you want it to.  That makes for a very boring conversation.  :aok
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 22, 2004, 10:34:09 AM
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Watch your film again Beet, from my pilot view. You were so high I didn't even see you.
Bollocks.

Spin it any way you want, Mars.

You're still my favourite maroon!
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 22, 2004, 10:46:07 AM
Sorry Beet,

No spin just the way it was.
Title: Pizza
Post by: WldThing on April 22, 2004, 11:17:17 AM
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If anyone watches the film they will see that you guys came in high, had the high cap and started the cherry pic. I have nothing agaist cherry picking, I do it when there are no decent fights to be found. Your the one that gets all bent about it.


I hope this wasnt intended for me,  if it was your more of a turdaling then i thought.
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 22, 2004, 11:42:47 AM
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Originally posted by mars01
Watch the film , I'm the F4U1 on the deck and your the 1D high above.  Nuff said.
At the time you claimed you "didn't see" me, I was in your 12 pulling up and away. I reached 6.2K at the top of that zoom. Yeah, real nose bleed stuff. :rolleyes:

F4U-1 you say you were flying? Funny that. Because I've just checked your stats for the last few tours, and for T50 when I shot this film, you only had 1 kill in the F4U-1 for the entire tour. Guess that must have been Recon at the end of my film? :aok:aok In fact you've only had 4 kills in that F4U-1 this year. So either you suck, or else your claim to have been flying the F4U-1 was BS.

I had high hopes of you this tour, but I see you're back to your Spit9/Lala crutch :(

Keep on spinning Mars. :lol

I see why your handle is Mars. They call Mars the red planet. At night it turns maroon. ;)(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/jester.gif)
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 22, 2004, 11:55:23 AM
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I hope this wasnt intended for me, if it was your more of a turdaling then i thought.
Don't flatter yourself wld, if I am directing statements to you I will.  My statement is about the majority of the nme cons in the film having high cap thats all.

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F4U-1 you say you were flying? else your claim to have been flying the F4U-1 was BS
Are you that stupid?  Check your film I am in an F4U1.  Perfect example Beet of how you spin and deflect.  My stats have nothing to do with this conversation.  That's all there is too it.  You go pulling the stats into it to cloud the issue, which is your film doesn't substanciate any of your accusations as usual.
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I had high hopes of you this tour, but I see you're back to your Spit9/Lala crutch
Beetle I could care less in the grand schema what you think.  I fly what I want for me not you.  You think because you fly a certain plane your better than everyone, but your not.  Your just another Cherry Picker in a world of cherry pickers.

I noticed you keep sliging insults because you have nothing else.
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 22, 2004, 12:32:31 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
Are you that stupid?  Check your film I am in an F4U1.  Perfect example Beet of how you spin and deflect.  My stats have nothing to do with this conversation.  That's all there is too it.  You go pulling the stats into it to cloud the issue, which is your film doesn't substanciate any of your accusations as usual.  
The identifier is the same for all F4U except the -4 so how would I know which you were flying?

Still, now I have an answer to the earlier F4U variant/suckage conundrum. You suck.
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 22, 2004, 12:36:56 PM
Duh beet, its your film.  After all your BS you didn't even watch it from my pilot view.  You are a dumbprettythang..


Oh no Beetle said I suck, woe is me.  

Your the one that needs everyone’s approval Beet not me.  That’s why you go around beating your chest about how good you are, we all know the truth tho.:aok
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 22, 2004, 12:57:16 PM
Oh! I really am a maroon. I never knew you could view films from someone else's plane...
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Originally posted by mars01
Your the one that needs everyone’s approval Beet not me.  That’s why you go around beating your chest about how good you are, we all know the truth tho.:aok
No, no. I never claimed to have any skill. And my SA is terrible.




But I think I'd notice a dot in my high 12. :D Especially one with a F4U icon next to it! :lol
Title: Pizza
Post by: mars01 on April 22, 2004, 01:17:59 PM
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Oh! I really am a maroon. I never knew you could view films from someone else's plane...

Geez no wonder your so missinformed.  When the film starts click on mars01 that will put you in my plane.  Still I find it pretty funny how you made all those accusations, stated that they were facts and you never really did your homework.  I guess now you'll see the truth and real facts.:D

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No, no. I never claimed to have any skill. And my SA is terrible.
That may be, but alot of your posts spend alot of time patting yourself on the back. :aok

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But I think I'd notice a dot in my high 12.  Especially one with a F4U icon next to it!
Sorry Beet, I don't spend too much time looking at my high twelve, mostly at my high six.  I shot out over the water to reposition and set myself up for an attack on the guys BnZing my field, so I didn't really care who was out over the water to boot.  Also if you watch the film, you never come into view.  Not that I noticed.
Title: Pizza
Post by: beet1e on April 22, 2004, 02:32:02 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
Geez no wonder your so missinformed.  When the film starts click on mars01 that will put you in my plane.  Still I find it pretty funny how you made all those accusations, stated that they were facts and you never really did your homework.  I guess now you'll see the truth and real facts.:D
I'd already figured it out by the time of my last post. Because it's my own film, MY icon isn't shown. Viewing the film, I only get to see my own dot, not my F4U icon. But you sure as hell should have seen it at the time.

So yes I've seen how you fly the F4U.  And I can see why you went back to spits and lalas. Very sad.

But you were right to set up a B&Z pass. Even if your Corsair isn't very high, you DO want to be flying it fast. Now I'm off to view the film from OverBkil's cockpit...

Accusations? I said what I said, and I was very careful in what I said. And I don't see anyone else here saying that what I said was untrue.
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Post by: WldThing on April 22, 2004, 03:32:49 PM
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Don't flatter yourself wld, if I am directing statements to you I will.  My statement is about the majority of the nme cons in the film having high cap thats all.


Since when was 10k and Below High Alt cap?  Majority isnt the 1-2 players that were higher than the 10k,  exaggurating numbers is just crap.
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Post by: mars01 on April 22, 2004, 04:04:59 PM
Wld,

I consider high alt cap to mean having total alt dominance over the nme.  It doesn't matter what the actual alt is.  Any nme which tries to gain superior alt will be capped by those nme above them holding the cap.

I never mentioned a number, your the one throwing 10k and below around.

Guess your BS sniffer is off :D
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Post by: mars01 on April 22, 2004, 04:10:13 PM
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So yes I've seen how you fly the F4U. And I can see why you went back to spits and lalas. Very sad.
I love statements like this Beet, it shows your ignorance well out weighs your intelligence.  You have one lame film where I am flying a hog and you think you have seen how I fly.  :rolleyes:

Statements like that speak volumes about you bud.  Like I said I could care less what you think about how I fly.  Your opinion means very little and for anyone that buys into it, they can find me and form their own opinions.
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Post by: WldThing on April 22, 2004, 04:27:23 PM
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Wld,

I consider high alt cap to mean having total alt dominance over the nme.  It doesn't matter what the actual alt is.  Any nme which tries to gain superior alt will be capped by those nme above them holding the cap.

I never mentioned a number, your the one throwing 10k and below around.

 


So even if im 1k over your Altitude,  im automatically a "high alt capper"?  

Quite funny..
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Post by: mars01 on April 22, 2004, 04:57:14 PM
Wld you can nit pick till your blue in the face, the film backs up what I said and I think your bright enough to understand what I said.
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Post by: WldThing on April 22, 2004, 05:19:35 PM
Ok,  i'll let your whiney self be,  ciao!
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Post by: beet1e on April 22, 2004, 07:33:09 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
I love statements like this Beet, it shows your ignorance well out weighs your intelligence.  You have one lame film where I am flying a hog and you think you have seen how I fly.  
You said you were in a F4U-1. OK, you were. And you've managed 4 kills in that plane so far in 2004. Better choose another plane, methinks... but try not to go running for the ubertrio crutch.
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Post by: mars01 on April 23, 2004, 08:02:09 AM
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You said you were in a F4U-1. OK, you were. And you've managed 4 kills in that plane so far in 2004. Better choose another plane, methinks... but try not to go running for the ubertrio crutch.
Like I said Beet I don't care what you think.  I fly for me, not you.  You don't have a clue about me or what crutches I need.  But carry on and continue to talk out of your prettythang:lol   That's why your breath smells.
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Post by: beet1e on April 23, 2004, 09:15:30 AM
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Like I said Beet I don't care what you think.  
Then why so bent out of shape about the pics I posted? (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/jester.gif)
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Post by: mars01 on April 23, 2004, 10:29:59 AM
I wasn't bent out of shape I just pointed out what complete out of your prettythang BS they were.  That's all.  Once you showed the film that was obvious.
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Post by: beet1e on April 23, 2004, 10:54:01 AM
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I wasn't bent out of shape I just pointed out what complete out of your prettythang BS they were.  That's all.  Once you showed the film that was obvious.
hehe - coming from a guy who lectures WT about a "high alt cap" and can't tell the difference between 8K and 20K. ;):lol

I don't see anyone else in here disagreeing with anything I said about what happened in that film.

I've just watched the film from OverBkil's plane. He flies it like me - fast, no Y&B. :aok
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Post by: 68DevilM on April 23, 2004, 11:00:44 AM
cant we just delete this post its old
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Post by: SlapShot on April 23, 2004, 11:19:54 AM
"hehe - coming from a guy who lectures WT about a "high alt cap" and can't tell the difference between 8K and 20K."

I didn't see anybody actually define what "high alt cap" is. You, WT, or Mars care to explain at what pre-determined altitude, one can consider calling it "high alt cap". Is there "low alt cap" ? "medium alt cap" ? ... what are the per-determined altitudes that defines those. Is is written down or defined anywhere ? I must know so that I can be RIGHT the next time I try to use these terms in a post.

Or, is it just a frame of reference and self-interpretation of the situation at a point in time ... in other words ... semantics.

"I don't see anyone else in here disagreeing with anything I said about what happened in that film."

I haven't seen it yet ...  jury is still out ... :D

"I've just watched the film from OverBkil's plane. He flies it like me - fast, no Y&B."



"Well, aren't you special !!!"

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Post by: mars01 on April 23, 2004, 11:34:47 AM
Beet I dont expect many to watch it, because I dont expect many are still following this thread anymore or care. I know I am getting quite bored with it and you.

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I don't see anyone else in here disagreeing with anything I said about what happened in that film.

So the fact that no one but you or I have commented on the film doesn't support anything.  It makes sense tho that you would jump to your weak conclusion because you still have your blinders on.  Again ole shifty you are trying to spin, otherwise you would understand lack of comments can not be taken to mean anything other than no one cares.  Very weak attempt.

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hehe - coming from a guy who lectures WT about a "high alt cap" and can't tell the difference between 8K and 20K.
There you go spinning again.  Yeah I lectured him.  Right Beet, you need a clue.  I gave clarification to him about what I said because he missunderstood what I meant by High Cap.  He thought a specific alt determined high cap.


I agree 68DevilM, Beetle never really knows when hes beat or when to quit.
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Post by: WldThing on April 23, 2004, 12:00:09 PM
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There you go spinning again. Yeah I lectured him. Right Beet, you need a clue. I gave clarification to him about what I said because he missunderstood what I meant by High Cap. He thought a specific alt determined high cap.


It sure does by my standards,  i consider 15-20k a high alt cap,  not 2k as you seem to think so.   Being 2k over someones head isnt HIGH alt cap..
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Post by: mars01 on April 23, 2004, 12:13:24 PM
Geeesh ok Nit pickers remove the "high cap" and replace with "had the base caped"  My bad.

My point is still the same, you guys had the cap above all of us.  You guys were diving from your alt advantage on our field, while we upped.  There were no nme fighters above you guys, hence you had it capped.  

I called it High Cap because I was speaking relatively to the nme planes.  Most of us were on the deck and you guys were BnZing away from a higher alt.

Yes Wld in your absurd example someone 1k above is not really a cap.  But planes with a 4k and up advantage, yeah I think that constitutes an advantage and a cap.
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Post by: beet1e on April 23, 2004, 02:11:43 PM
Mars

As far as I'm concerned, this thread ended after I said "You say one thing and you do another". Anything we've said since is just banter. You were full of this Y&B/TAS flying methodology being better than anything anyone else does. "That's where the skills are", was your chest-thumping retort. What skills? I play AH because I enjoy flying a WW2 sim, a war game. Wars had strategy. If I just wanted to yank and bank and fight duels, I'd go to the DA. That's not my bag. I like using stealth and tactics. You pooh-pooh it all your like, but to paraphrase what you said earlier, I fly this game for me not for you.

But I get tired of hearing this I'm superior because I'm a yank-n-banker claptrap. Great. You've learned to yank. Then you learned to bank. BUT.......................... .

...  when I watch that film, I see that what you say and what you do are different. That's the reason for my initial posting.

Slapshot - I wouldn't recognise a church lady voice if I heard one!

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Or, is it just a frame of reference and self-interpretation of the situation at a point in time ... in other words ... semantics.
Not another spin merchant! It is just a frame of reference and self-interpretation of the situation at a point in time ... in other words ... bollocks.

And now I'm going out to dinner. It is 20h00 which, in America is 8pm. Hehe, I can see why Mars gets 20 and 8 confused. ;) His altimeter is like a regular analog clock - the hands are in the same position for 8K as they would be for 20K! (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/jester.gif)
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Post by: SlapShot on April 23, 2004, 02:24:14 PM
"Slapshot - I wouldn't recognise a church lady voice if I heard one!"

Classic Saturday Night Live skits with Dana Carvey playing the "Church Lady".


http://www.danacarvey.net/carpics.html

http://www.danacarvey.net/media/snl_cl_special.wav

http://www.danacarvey.net/media/snl_cl_extra_special.wav
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Post by: mars01 on April 23, 2004, 03:51:22 PM
Beet you have the rep for being shifty, using smoke and mirrors and twisting the facts, not me.  So with that said, if anyone believes you they need to have their head examined or they are a total noob.  I am done with your unsubstantiated claims and overall general BS.
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Post by: WldThing on April 23, 2004, 04:46:40 PM
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Mars

As far as I'm concerned, this thread ended after I said "You say one thing and you do another". Anything we've said since is just banter. You were full of this Y&B/TAS flying methodology being better than anything anyone else does. "That's where the skills are", was your chest-thumping retort. What skills? I play AH because I enjoy flying a WW2 sim, a war game. Wars had strategy. If I just wanted to yank and bank and fight duels, I'd go to the DA. That's not my bag. I like using stealth and tactics. You pooh-pooh it all your like, but to paraphrase what you said earlier, I fly this game for me not for you.
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lol Beetle,  resorting to defense to someone who has been in this game less than yourself is pretty stupid.  Im sure mars himself could show me a trick or two in his Yank and Bank book too,  especially after  the quote
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Most of us were on the deck and you guys were BnZing away from a higher alt.

 that i dont hold any accountable skill from his point of view.  Now lets all bow to his greatness,  and end this thread.

Spending time being on the offensive and defensive with someone that hasnt furballed even half of the time of what i have done in my AH career is pretty foolish.  That is all.
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Post by: mars01 on April 23, 2004, 04:49:47 PM
you know wld,

It is you and beet thumping your chests all I am doing is defending his and your attacks on me.  

You two are two pees in pod.  You already know how I feel about you Wld so no sense in rehashing that.  Beet your in the same category as well I'm afraid.  

FO to the both of you.  ..!..   :aok
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Post by: WldThing on April 23, 2004, 04:52:00 PM
Well im glad you made your point,  as worthless as it is.  But  as i stated, maybe you will give me a few "yank and bank" pointers.
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Post by: mars01 on April 23, 2004, 04:53:23 PM
Maybe not yank and bank, but you could use a few pointers on not being an prettythanghole.
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Post by: WldThing on April 23, 2004, 04:53:24 PM
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FO to the both of you.  ..!..   :aok


I didnt expect anything better of you.. :aok
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Post by: WldThing on April 23, 2004, 04:54:21 PM
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Maybe not yank and bank, but you could use a few pointers on not being an prettythanghole.


Learnin from the best that the BB has to offer.
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Post by: mars01 on April 23, 2004, 04:54:44 PM
You get what you give.  I love how you always cry about that.
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Post by: beet1e on April 23, 2004, 04:59:57 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
Beet you have the rep for being shifty, using smoke and mirrors and twisting the facts, not me.  So with that said, if anyone believes you they need to have their head examined or they are a total noob.  I am done with your unsubstantiated claims and overall general BS.
As I said once before, you pay lip service to data arrived at by entirely unscientific means, only to refute actual material supported by photographic and film evidence. The smoke and mirrors thing comes only from the two squads forming the mutual backslappers' society!
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Post by: WldThing on April 23, 2004, 05:42:43 PM
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You get what you give.  I love how you always cry about that.


And what a right person to tell me about crying!  What irony!....
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Post by: lazs2 on April 24, 2004, 09:46:34 AM
mars.. ask wild to show you a picture of his car.

lazs
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Post by: WldThing on April 24, 2004, 10:24:35 AM
Talk about lame...  Nice one Lazs!  Moron.
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Post by: mars01 on April 26, 2004, 10:12:53 AM
LOL Lazs.

Nahh I'm done posting to these two losers.  They never have anything to say.  All one wants to do is piss and moan and start fights and the other one just likes to make up stories.

I'll let them get the last posts else this will never stop.  God knows they bored me to death.

Done with these two.