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Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: MetaTron on April 14, 2004, 09:51:01 PM
So far, every map we've seen come into the game has one critical flaw! They all have an asset sucking sponge somewhere on the map.

Pizza was different. Pizza offered a role for every user at any hour. Furballs, endless milkrunning, endless furballs, captures galore, teeter-totter land grabs, GV fights that rage for hours, and what do we get? We get festered!

Pizza map was a creation of genius! It truly was a change of pace from the standard fare.

HT, please return AKDessert to its rightful place in the map rotation.

Polygons don't bleed, so what can it hurt?
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Citabria on April 14, 2004, 10:16:50 PM
yeah bring on VOSSMA
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Hooligan on April 14, 2004, 10:27:02 PM
It is syntactically incorrect to say "pizza" by itself.  In the future complete the phrase correctly i.e. “pizza sucks”.

Hooligan
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: MetaTron on April 14, 2004, 10:53:41 PM
Yeah, Fester buddy. You're a god now. You make maps, and people bow from the ankles and kiss your @zz. It doesn't make you smart. You still lack the brains God gave a goose.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Morpheus on April 14, 2004, 10:54:34 PM
Pizza wouldnt be nearly as hated by many I think if the skin were to be changed to a color easier on the eyes...

At least thats how I feel...
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Citabria on April 14, 2004, 10:56:52 PM
metavoss at least I know that i know nothing.

regardless of my lack of common sense, smarts and whatever else god gave to people with high IQ's,  i still blunder forward looking for new challenges and things to do incorrectly.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Estes on April 14, 2004, 10:57:14 PM
Yup - I agree, get rid of the vomit color terrain.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: MetaTron on April 14, 2004, 11:33:23 PM
Well festard, I wish you success in your search for your inner ineptness.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Citabria on April 15, 2004, 12:07:04 AM
thanks!
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Steve on April 15, 2004, 12:21:15 AM
PIZZA MAP SUX
Title: Re: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: beet1e on April 15, 2004, 03:28:14 AM
Damn - has Pizza map been withdrawn? I'll be sorry if it has.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Pizza was different. Pizza offered a role for every user at any hour. Furballs, endless milkrunning, endless furballs, captures galore, teeter-totter land grabs, GV fights that rage for hours
Yep, I agree with all of that. Sometimes I'd log on for a few minutes and look for a Vbase under attack, and go to the FG to defend it. That was a lot of fun! For me anyway. Not for the guys attacking the base. ;) I agree, Pizza offered the best GV battles - no other map comes close. And the air-to-air was helped because the battle would be between two bases, which is fair enough. No interlopers porking it up from a third base.

I shall be aggrieved if Pizza has been retired, especially in view of the fact that an extra week of the old furball/children's maps was added to the rotation. :mad:
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: DipStick on April 15, 2004, 05:16:55 AM
metavoss = milkrunner / spawncamper

:bigyawn:
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: SLO on April 15, 2004, 07:26:46 AM
Deflate your over grown ego fester.....

someone posted that he would like something that was ALREADY there.....

I know lots of people that did enjoy that map....
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: lasersailor184 on April 15, 2004, 07:47:02 AM
No pizza.  Ever.


It might be decent if it was split without each of the teams being on each of the 3 continents.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Morpheus on April 15, 2004, 07:52:56 AM


Pizza gives me gas

Oz Theres no place like home, theres no place like home, theres no place like home...
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: lazs2 on April 15, 2004, 08:07:16 AM
pizza embodies everything that is wrong with the current "strat" system... buncha far fields with 25% fuel..  great map if you like to tour in a peeeee 51.

I can't believe metavoss is calling someone and egomaniac....  I bet he's just mad cause fester is taller and better looking than he is... Oh wait... allmost everyone is...

Maybe it's cause he can make a map that everyone likes and fester has never been caught in huge flight sim scams or cheated other players?  

lazs
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: SLO on April 15, 2004, 08:30:46 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
Maybe it's cause he can make a map that everyone likes and fester has never been caught in huge flight sim scams or cheated other players?  

lazs


are you sure EVERYONE likes what Fester did....

I don't like mindless furball maps....and I know others that don't like it either.

all we did was fight for the same damn base for over a week....it was gang or get ganged....

and you should stop living in the past Laz....
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: mars01 on April 15, 2004, 08:50:27 AM
I love when people who dont furball say pizza map has tons of furballs.  

If you really furballed you would know pizza doesn't have em.


Pizza Crap sucks move the fields closer or kill it!!!!1:D
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: lazs2 on April 15, 2004, 09:00:56 AM
slo... there were plenty of fields that had no furballs at all on festers map.  you had the choice to go there.   Are you saying that given a choice.... people will go where the fun is?   Are you saying that we need maps that stop people from doing what they want so that they are forced to do what you want?

as for living in the past.... I see no evidence of change.   I see the same arrogance and drive and basic dishonesty that I have allways seen in the man.

lazs
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: mars01 on April 15, 2004, 09:12:24 AM
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all we did was fight for the same damn base for over a week....it was gang or get ganged....


Is there a reason, you stayed on one base the whole week?

There were plenty of other bases on that map.  Why didn't you go fight for those bases and leave the middle part for the last base capture.  Hell you don't even need to capture it, leave it as the last base.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: HUN on April 15, 2004, 09:40:08 AM
I never thought I would see anything worse than BIG ETO in Air Warrior. (which by the way was also a total failure) I was wrong...

I understand the designers of Pizza were under very tight restrictions on what could and could not be done and I also understand that it had to be done because HT wanted to experiment with game play--hey sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t.  For most players, what pizza introduced,  did not work.  But I think it was an important map for the evolution of AH.  I think Fester's map would be far less enjoyable if he didn't have a "what not to do" template to refer to...

But let's face it the vast majority of us are here to fight... pizza offered very little of that.  The majority of the time you would spend "sneaking" undefended bases or trying to anticipate the "sneak" and foil the capture.  Fun for about 15 minutes but in the larger scheme of things a total snooze.  I also know that 90% of our squad would log off as soon as pizza loaded.  

I hardly ever saw a furball on it except for a few CVs that would be sent into battle (as most CVs were used to circle HQ to protect radar) Speaking of radar--How much fun was pizza without dar?  I mean you literally could not find a fight--each base flashing would have a single P38 porking the town or an M3 trying to steal it.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Joc on April 15, 2004, 10:03:01 AM
BAN PIZZA!!!!:mad:
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: SunKing on April 15, 2004, 10:29:52 AM
SunKing slaps MetaTron with a big fat trout.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: beet1e on April 15, 2004, 12:02:46 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
are you sure EVERYONE likes what Fester did....

I don't like mindless furball maps....and I know others that don't like it either.

all we did was fight for the same damn base for over a week....it was gang or get ganged....

and you should stop living in the past Laz....
Agreed.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: simshell on April 15, 2004, 12:26:14 PM
ahh man i was just starting to cause havoc in my me262

:(  cant charry pick there anymore


but i do like the mindless furballs to
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: lazs2 on April 15, 2004, 02:14:28 PM
I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees the humor in metavoss and beetle telling us what a furball is and how easy it is to find one.

lazs
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: beet1e on April 15, 2004, 03:44:13 PM
Did HTC announce the withdrawal of pizza? I would like to read their statement. Anyone have a URL?
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: SlapShot on April 15, 2004, 04:23:39 PM
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Originally posted by beet1e
Did HTC announce the withdrawal of pizza? I would like to read their statement. Anyone have a URL?


http://www.whogivesacrappizzasucks.com
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: B17Skull12 on April 15, 2004, 05:26:05 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
I love when people who dont furball say pizza map has tons of furballs.  

If you really furballed you would know pizza doesn't have em.


Pizza Crap sucks move the fields closer or kill it!!!!1:D
there are furball you just have to look harder for finding them.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: mars01 on April 15, 2004, 05:35:48 PM
lolh,

OK if you have to look for a furball they don't exist.  Many people also agree that Pizza does not offer much for furballing.  Obviously they are wrong too.:rolleyes:
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: MetaTron on April 15, 2004, 07:07:30 PM
lazs, any time you grow a pair and want to duel. Well, you just let me know there brave guy. :D
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Lazer on April 15, 2004, 07:20:12 PM
Thatd be interesting, let me in this too.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Estes on April 15, 2004, 10:29:38 PM
lol, lazs. Looks like you have a cheerleader now :)

Don't worry too much about it, paint a big scorpion on the side of yer plane. Might scare em' away. :p
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: MetaTron on April 15, 2004, 10:52:06 PM
Not hardly. I was thinking of all you hosers (guys that can't shoot straight) when I married my wife (a Scorpio). Yuk yuk!
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Steve on April 15, 2004, 11:51:24 PM
I'll duel ya, Metatron.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: rod367th on April 16, 2004, 02:01:37 AM
Few whine about pizza and try to make thier perception into HTC. Pizza has alot of fun things, Enjoyed GV fights at spawns, Flying thru cayons is great. What is a shame here is not even 1% of All accounts whine that pizza sucks. And some join bandwagon of it sucks because they hear it sucks on ch1  and think well I'll join in.


  There is not one map we have that is bad. All have thier good and bad points.


 Fester no doubt you deserve for taking the time to build maps. Your maps are built to your playing style  which is fine since you designed it. Even you have no right to say some one esles map sucks.


 Unless 2000 people come on this web page and give callsign and say pizza sucks I think ones calling pizza bad are the minority by far.


  This bbs doesn't even come close to 10% of players in game. Most don't care which map they play. They are here for the fun and friendships they make.



 I would like to see it go back to old way of map change every reset to dif map thru map collection. And only reset map if not changed in 2 weeks. The reason for 2 weeks is Your maps fester are the hardest to reset with 3 hanger gv bases ( we could go back to changed  every reset if you put gv bases back to 1 hanger) then maps like yours could be possibly reset within a week. Now don't get me wrong not saying your map bad with 3 just alot harder to reset within reasonable time.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: WilldCrd on April 16, 2004, 02:05:29 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
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Maybe it's cause he can make a map that everyone likes and fester has never been caught in huge flight sim scams or cheated other players?  

lazs


What? when? was it really bad? TELL MEEE!!!! Details people details!!!:cool:
Title: Dr Voss, gavte la nata..
Post by: moot on April 16, 2004, 02:45:51 AM
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Yeah, Fester buddy. You're a god now. You make fake screenshots, and people bow from the ankles and kiss your @zz. It doesn't make you smart. You still lack the brains God gave a goose.

..cura te ipsum.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: beet1e on April 16, 2004, 03:28:15 AM
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Originally posted by rod367th
Few whine about pizza and try to make thier perception into HTC. Pizza has alot of fun things, Enjoyed GV fights at spawns, Flying thru cayons is great. What is a shame here is not even 1% of All accounts whine that pizza sucks. And some join bandwagon of it sucks because they hear it sucks on ch1  and think well I'll join in.


  There is not one map we have that is bad. All have thier good and bad points.


 Fester no doubt you deserve for taking the time to build maps. Your maps are built to your playing style  which is fine since you designed it. Even you have no right to say some one esles map sucks.


 Unless 2000 people come on this web page and give callsign and say pizza sucks I think ones calling pizza bad are the minority by far.


  This bbs doesn't even come close to 10% of players in game. Most don't care which map they play. They are here for the fun and friendships they make.



 I would like to see it go back to old way of map change every reset to dif map thru map collection. And only reset map if not changed in 2 weeks. The reason for 2 weeks is Your maps fester are the hardest to reset with 3 hanger gv bases ( we could go back to changed  every reset if you put gv bases back to 1 hanger) then maps like yours could be possibly reset within a week. Now don't get me wrong not saying your map bad with 3 just alot harder to reset within reasonable time.



Spot on, Rod. I agree with every word.

How you doing these days?
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Steve on April 16, 2004, 03:38:17 AM
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think ones calling pizza bad are the minority by far.



Why?
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Overlag on April 16, 2004, 06:00:48 AM
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Originally posted by Steve
PIZZA MAP SUX
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: ghi on April 16, 2004, 08:08:05 AM
i like pizza because;

- gvs friendly,spawn close to town, most of the bases
-large selection of alt, bases from 0 to 11-12k, have to watch what plane are u upping to defend 11k base, (la7 sux at take off 11k}
-8k bases, @ HQ hard to capture{+163s parked there)
-the only base where countrys are not divided in 120 degrees, makes front line huge, 3 countrys can fight on each slice.

I don't like pizza because:

   -puke brown-yellow paint job
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: lazs2 on April 16, 2004, 09:23:22 AM
metavoss..  I will be glad to duel you if you like.   bare fists or guns or hatchets... I believe since you chalenged me little guy I get the choice of weapons tho. Have your second contact mine.

you married a scorpio?   this just keeps getting funnier and funnier...  did you tell her that story too?   Love to meet that woman I would.

lazs
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: lazs2 on April 16, 2004, 09:25:23 AM
Oh... and pizza does indeed suck.  Horrible map.. perfect for timid voss types..  the only good thing about it may have been the GV part..  I don't know cause I never do GV's.  

lazs
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: mars01 on April 16, 2004, 09:50:20 AM
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Originally posted by rod367th
Few whine about pizza and try to make thier perception into HTC. Pizza has alot of fun things, Enjoyed GV fights at spawns, Flying thru cayons is great.


No disrespect Rod, but notice you don't mention any great fights.  There are aspects of pizza that are cool, i.e. what you mentioned.  But when those aspects come without the usual AtoA combat then the map needs to be revisited.  

If they moved half of the bases closer together or even on one freaking slice, this map might join the likes of festers maps, in acceptance levels.  

If you guys that love pizza so much would realize this and help affect the change so that everyone can enjoy it then we wouldn't be having these conversations.

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There is not one map we have that is bad. All have thier good and bad points.
Fester no doubt you deserve for taking the time to build maps. Your maps are built to your playing style which is fine since you designed it. Even you have no right to say some one esles map sucks.


I have to disagree here too.  Festers maps are the only ones that allow everyone the choices to fly anyway they want, because they were designed with that in mind.  He even went as far as to accomodate others by moving the bases on his first map farther apart.  So if anyone has a valid opinion it is Fester.

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This bbs doesn't even come close to 10% of players in game.

This is true!!
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Most don't care which map they play. They are here for the fun and friendships they make.
Yeah, but I have seen alot of people complain on channel 1 about pizza too.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 16, 2004, 12:09:56 PM
they removed pizza ??

WTG HTC u listening to whining tards now.

I liked the pizza and haven't any problem with any map

airspace is airspace

cmon what's next on the tardling whine list.

Another reason to stay with IL2 FB AEP.


yeah i'm still paying never quitted even when i had no internet connection.

But AH is losing interest everyday a bit more
The winning of tardly map whiners is definitly one off them
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Flossy on April 16, 2004, 12:20:22 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
they removed pizza ??
Nope!  It's up now!  :D
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: beet1e on April 16, 2004, 12:36:29 PM
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Originally posted by Flossy
Nope!  It's up now!  :D
Woohoo! I'm off to the MA...
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 16, 2004, 01:13:02 PM
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Originally posted by Flossy


Only ladys have the best timing

WTG!!
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Overlag on April 16, 2004, 04:03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Flossy
Nope!  It's up now!  :D


well im not going to beat 100hours this tour then..... :(
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Furious on April 16, 2004, 04:37:56 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
...airspace is airspace...


If this is so, then pizza being removed form rotation should not matter, correct?


I dislike pizza because it is a putt-putt golf map.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: B17Skull12 on April 16, 2004, 05:21:59 PM
PIZZA UP WOOHOO IM GONE!
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: MetaTron on April 16, 2004, 09:16:38 PM
lazs, that tiny thing you call an axe couldnt hurt a hampster.
:rofl
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Post by: beet1e on April 17, 2004, 03:28:19 AM
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Originally posted by Furious
I dislike pizza because it is a putt-putt golf map.
Hehe, I'm glad the demise of pizza was only a rumour. And I'm glad it's up now. The fact that it bothers Furious is icing on the cake. ;) Remember when you said that?

WGACA :lol
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: lazs2 on April 17, 2004, 09:25:10 AM
gee metavoss... was that some sort of sexual inuendo?   Are you sustituting hatchets for something?   Sorta like... how tiny is your F16? or P51?

lazs
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Delirium on April 17, 2004, 11:18:10 AM
Wish they would post the total numbers of players for each map, to lay the myth that 'Pizza is actually liked' to the sword.

Its not scientific, but I haven't seen anywhere near the number of players last night that I saw on OzKansas the other Friday night.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: B17Skull12 on April 17, 2004, 12:04:12 PM
pizza more liked than big isle.:rolleyes:
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Post by: sax on April 17, 2004, 01:57:13 PM
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
pizza more liked than big isle.:rolleyes:


Have ta agree there.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: WldThing on April 17, 2004, 06:02:32 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees the humor in metavoss and beetle telling us what a furball is and how easy it is to find one.

lazs


Well maybe i can join the conversation too,  and let you tell me what a furball is as well?  Wouldnt that just be dandy..
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Overlag on April 17, 2004, 07:21:28 PM
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
pizza more liked than big isle.:rolleyes:


Hmmm even though ive been complaining alot, that is kinda true, all i was doing yesterday was stopping rooks milkrun bases in my hurriIIC... my txt buffer consisted of

Overlag landed 3 victories in Hurri mkIIC
Ch1 moaning
Overlag landed 2 victories in Hurri mkIIC
Ch2 moaning
Overlag landed 2 victories in Hurri mkIIC
Ch1 moaning
Overlag landed 5 victories in Hurri mkIIC
Me screaming for help
Overlag landed 4 victories in Hurri mkIIC
Overlag landed 2 victories in Hurri mkIIC

etc. ;) (OK OK not THAT good but you know...

its a "different" kind of fun Pizza.

Saying that i do like Bigisle CV battles...but it mostly sucks....again, its a different kind of fun.....

But then, i really injoyed small maps week for once :eek:
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: DipStick on April 17, 2004, 09:42:32 PM
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Originally posted by sax
Have ta agree there.

By far Big Isles is the worst. Pizza would be ok if the texture was darker and it had a new shape. Always liked canyon fights but that's about it.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: rod367th on April 17, 2004, 10:11:46 PM
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Originally posted by Delirium
Wish they would post the total numbers of players for each map, to lay the myth that 'Pizza is actually liked' to the sword.

Its not scientific, but I haven't seen anywhere near the number of players last night that I saw on OzKansas the other Friday night.





 lol saw pizza map full no one could get in. amount of players doesn't mean map good. guys on a friday wouldn't know what map is up untill they came in lol.



  I heard alot of complaints about festers new map, true not as much as you hear from the few whiners about pizza but only been up once. Every map has its good and bad points I've seen great atoa in pizza lastijng for half day same two bases. It just depends on players in game. I flew very little on festers map but heard alot of complaints IE strat potatos dream furball island bullsht kills game amoong others.  My point is play maps no need to whine or complain about map. unless 2000 guys say change it never again I say shut up play have fun.



?take a look at who is saying pizza sucks same 20 or 30 guys. It's like watch ch1  Its the same 30 guys complain over and over about la7 or spits nikis dweeb planes ( not same 30 as hates pizza just example) Those 30 or more guys are less than 1% of players.




 Could careless what map is up, Ho, what plane others fly, gangbangs (happens to all sides) Could careless how high 1 team flys, could careless if spawn is camped, And I bet majority feel same way. Here to visit people I call friends and have fun. may it be from 35k bombing or spawn camping or viewing porn in tower.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: WldThing on April 17, 2004, 10:52:01 PM
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Originally posted by rod367th
?take a look at who is saying pizza sucks same 20 or 30 guys. It's like watch ch1  Its the same 30 guys complain over and over about la7 or spits nikis dweeb planes ( not same 30 as hates pizza just example) Those 30 or more guys are less than 1% of players.
 



Ya well said,  at least im not the only one that see a trend here.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: opus on April 17, 2004, 11:02:33 PM
WldThing, you flies Hurri ?

My night consisted of flying 45 minutes to two red dots, killing them (nik and a 51) and have my f4u1 ground loop left off the runway.:(
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: DREDIOCK on April 17, 2004, 11:41:57 PM
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Originally posted by WldThing
Ya well said,  at least im not the only one that see a trend here.


thats what I've been saying all along. its not that "most people" complain about it. Its just that the same people complain over and over and over again thus making it look like there are more then there really are.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: mars01 on April 18, 2004, 02:20:55 AM
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thats what I've been saying all along. its not that "most people" complain about it. Its just that the same people complain over and over and over again thus making it look like there are more then there really are.
Some people complain about the maps because they have valid points.  Others complaion about the people that complain about the maps, because they don't have a point and just like to complain.

AS for the same people complaining making it look like more people complaining, lolh.  Please.  The brilliance in that one says it all:rolleyes:  Was it fooling you Dred then you figured it out, the big plot. :lol

So Beet can't answer the questions, can you guys?

1) Why do 90% of the fields have to be a sector or more apart on Pizza Crap?
2) Why cant there be an even 50/50 with half the fileds a sector or more apart and half the fileds less than a sector apart?
3) What would be so horrible if half the bases on Pizza Crap were moved closer together.  
4) Why would that be such a big deal?
5) Why cant this map be fixed so that everyone can enjoy it?

How about some valid points to some valid questions.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: beet1e on April 18, 2004, 05:04:42 AM
Well I agree with Overlag, WldThing, DREDIOCK and Rod367th. There's way too much whining about pizza, usually from the same <1% of the AH populace, and the same lame excuses get trotted out over and over.

OK Mars, I'll give my answers.

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Originally posted by mars01
1) Why do 90% of the fields have to be a sector or more apart on Pizza Crap?
2) Why cant there be an even 50/50 with half the fileds a sector or more apart and half the fileds less than a sector apart?
3) What would be so horrible if half the bases on Pizza Crap were moved closer together.  
4) Why would that be such a big deal?
5) Why cant this map be fixed so that everyone can enjoy it?

How about some valid points to some valid questions.


1. As mentioned elsewhere, the flight time between pizza bases is about 6 minutes in a P47. If two sides were fighting and the fight was midway between bases, each side would have about 3 mins flying time to find the combat. Indeed, I have seen exactly that, and pushed the opposition back to their base. It cracks me up when folks say they don't have time to deal with that, but a simple check of their score shows they spend an average 3˝ hours in the MA every day in some cases.

2. Ask the AKs. They designed the map, not me.

3. Because then we'd have the same meaningless arcade fragfest that we have on the small maps. Believe it or not, that is not something that everyone wants to see, despite what you may read into certain BBS posts.

4. To balance the moving together of fields on the pizza map, I would expect to see fields moved farther apart on the small maps. No way will that happen. And the slide towards furballcentric arcade gameplay will continue. We've already seen an additional week of small maps added to the cycle. We've already reached a situation whereby some of the larger maps reset to small maps for days at a time. So the week when the larger maps are supposed to up just becomes yet another small maps week. And still you whine. I can see the writing on the wall. The furball fundamentalists won't be satisfied until they have everything their own way. The pizza map is the best map for all the reasons WT says in my blue sig text. And I don't want to see it ruined just because you can't stand to see it up 2 days out of 42 - which is how long it was up in the period leading up to last Thursday.

5. See 4. You would whine like hell if fields on the small maps were moved farther apart. So why should the pizza fans concede to letting their favourite map be compromised?
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Overlag on April 18, 2004, 07:19:29 AM
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Originally posted by rod367th
?take a look at who is saying pizza sucks same 20 or 30 guys. It's like watch ch1  Its the same 30 guys complain over and over about la7 or spits nikis dweeb planes ( not same 30 as hates pizza just example) Those 30 or more guys are less than 1% of players.


err the same % of people moaned about night......and where is night now? :confused:
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: WldThing on April 18, 2004, 10:20:25 AM
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Originally posted by opus
WldThing, you flies Hurri ?


Yes sometimes,  like when im perk whoring ;)  (Which is quite a bit some time)
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: lazs2 on April 18, 2004, 10:22:21 AM
hmm... if the people who enjoy furballing say that there is no action on the pizza sucks map and there are 30 (I say a lot more) then that is more than 1% of the players... Why then do we not get whines except from a few on the other maps?  

Pizza sucks map wins hands down for amount of people complaining about it.   there is a reason.

wildthing... if you can't see the silliness of metavoss and bettle telling us what a furball is then you are more out of it than I had thought.

lazs
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: B17Skull12 on April 18, 2004, 10:35:21 AM
lazs there are furballs on pizza maybe you should try opening your eyes and looking for them.

probably the only reason you like those small maps and trinity is because you dont have to look to find a furball.:rolleyes:
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: SlapShot on April 18, 2004, 11:11:08 AM
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Originally posted by beet1e
Well I agree with Overlag, WldThing, DREDIOCK and Rod367th. There's way too much whining about pizza, usually from the same <1% of the AH populace, and the same lame excuses get trotted out over and over.

OK Mars, I'll give my answers.

 

1. As mentioned elsewhere, the flight time between pizza bases is about 6 minutes in a P47. If two sides were fighting and the fight was midway between bases, each side would have about 3 mins flying time to find the combat. Indeed, I have seen exactly that, and pushed the opposition back to their base. It cracks me up when folks say they don't have time to deal with that, but a simple check of their score shows they spend an average 3˝ hours in the MA every day in some cases.

2. Ask the AKs. They designed the map, not me.

3. Because then we'd have the same meaningless arcade fragfest that we have on the small maps. Believe it or not, that is not something that everyone wants to see, despite what you may read into certain BBS posts.

4. To balance the moving together of fields on the pizza map, I would expect to see fields moved farther apart on the small maps. No way will that happen. And the slide towards furballcentric arcade gameplay will continue. We've already seen an additional week of small maps added to the cycle. We've already reached a situation whereby some of the larger maps reset to small maps for days at a time. So the week when the larger maps are supposed to up just becomes yet another small maps week. And still you whine. I can see the writing on the wall. The furball fundamentalists won't be satisfied until they have everything their own way. The pizza map is the best map for all the reasons WT says in my blue sig text. And I don't want to see it ruined just because you can't stand to see it up 2 days out of 42 - which is how long it was up in the period leading up to last Thursday.

5. See 4. You would whine like hell if fields on the small maps were moved farther apart. So why should the pizza fans concede to letting their favourite map be compromised?


1. You are embelishing quite a bit in this answer. Yes there are some trips that quick, but the majority of the trips are twice as long as that, and longer. Don't try to qualify/justify your point with examples that strengthen your position ... look at the total.

Your super sleuthing of Delirium's online play does not give you the right to use "they" and "their". Again, you are taking a very small sample and applying to the whole which is something you do a lot of.

2. AK don't own the map ... HTC does. They designed the maps to HT's spec .. back then. It is quite evident now that HT has loosened up a bit on base placement.

3. I agree. Smalls maps are a fragfest. Not enough room to spread out the amount of players that participate on an average. The small maps are over-saturated, and that sucks.

4. Where is the slide toward "furballcentric arcade" gameplay evident ?

"The furball fundamentalists won't be satisfied until they have everything their own way."

I think that this group was more than statisfied with OZKansas and so was every other faction. This map is what all maps need to strive for ... something for everybody EVERY time they log in.

I DONT hate AKDesert ... I DISLIKE AKDesert. With some tweaking it could be a very playable and enjoyable map.

The "tweaking" would be to obtain balance and not lean towards any one specific type of gameplay.

What I do like about AKDesert is the "mountian" feel which no other map presents.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: beet1e on April 18, 2004, 12:05:34 PM
Slap,

I haven't measured the distance between each base on the pizza map and all its neighbouring bases. I'd do a little more research, but the damn pizza is hardly ever up these days even during its assigned week.

Not sure what you meant about Delirium.

The slide towards furballcentric gameplay is a trend arising from an ever increasing proportion of time in the MA in which small maps are up - even during the weeks when another map should be up. I addressed this in my "small maps - a creeping process" (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110465) thread in which you posted. I'm not the only one whining about this. Furball (gawd, what a name!) has a thread going about this right now.

Yes I do see that having a furball designated area as on OZK is a concept worth trying. (For new maps. I don't want to see old maps tinkered with.) That's why I ran that poll: I was curious to know who did what on that map, and the proportions of who went where.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: SlapShot on April 18, 2004, 12:29:55 PM
I haven't measured the distance between each base on the pizza map and all its neighbouring bases. I'd do a little more research, but the damn pizza is hardly ever up these days even during its assigned week.

Dont' bother. I have been flying this map since its introduction. Take my word for it ... it is not a "time" friendly map.

Not sure what you meant about Delirium.

He made a statement and you used his stats to then justify the "they" and "their" plural to your statement. You must find more that one persons stats to justify ...

"It cracks me up when folks say they don't have time to deal with that, but a simple check of their score shows they spend an average 3˝ hours in the MA every day in some cases."

The slide towards furballcentric gameplay is a trend arising from an ever increasing proportion of time in the MA in which small maps are up - even during the weeks when another map should be up. I addressed this in my "small maps - a creeping process" thread in which you posted. I'm not the only one whining about this. Furball (gawd, what a name!) has a thread going about this right now.

Wrong. It appears to be furballcentric ... what it is is oversaturation.

Yes I do see that having a furball designated area as on OZK is a concept worth trying. (For new maps. I don't want to see old maps tinkered with.) That's why I ran that poll: I was curious to know who did what on that map, and the proportions of who went where.

There is nothing wrong with tweaking/tinkering existing large maps inorder to BALANCE gameplay ... key word ... BALANCE. I am afraid that there is no tweaking/tinkering that could help the small maps. They are and should be a thing of the past.

We probably could have had more big maps in rotation at this point, thus eliminating these small maps, but the beating that the map makers have taken on this BBS I am sure have caused them to hit the "bit bucket", which is a shame.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: sax on April 18, 2004, 01:36:03 PM
Nicely put Slap
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Post by: beet1e on April 18, 2004, 01:40:00 PM
Slapshot!  Yah hair splitter!
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He made a statement and you used his stats to then justify the "they" and "their" plural to your statement. You must find more that one persons stats to justify ...
I'm sure I could, given time. But this comes down to figures of speech, which differ between the UK/US. You won't have heard of an excellent TV series in Britain called "Boys from the Black Stuff", which immortalised the phrase "Giz a job" - abbreviation for "Give us a job". The gentleman who said it only wanted a job for himself and no-one else, but "us" instead of "me" is a common figure of speech. Also they/their is often used when gender is not known, and does not always signify plurality of the subject. "The person withheld their number" is the message I get on my phone if someone calls from a withheld number. In America, the passive voice might be used, ie. "the number was withheld"  - better, IMO. So I stand by my use of they/their, because Morpheus could be a woman for all I know. ;)

Hehe, sorry for the English lesson, but what else is there to do on a wet Sunday afto when a silly small map is up in the MA.

I hear many people refer to the small maps as the furball maps. Why else would the furballers whine about the large maps like pizza & BI and clamour for the small maps?

Still, we're in agreement  about the small maps. They ought to be retired. And I'm all for balance if it really is balance you mean.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Overlag on April 18, 2004, 04:25:08 PM
this place is depressing........:(
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 18, 2004, 05:43:40 PM
I havent flown in 3 months and I still hate Pizza.

WTG HTC for removing it from the rotation.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Overlag on April 18, 2004, 05:58:45 PM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I havent flown in 3 months and I still hate Pizza.

WTG HTC for removing it from the rotation.


they didnt........






.....although i not been on for more than 12hours.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 18, 2004, 08:49:20 PM
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Originally posted by Overlag
they didnt........


 


That blows.  I was gonna sign up again.
Title: Bring back Pizza!
Post by: opus on April 18, 2004, 10:16:05 PM
"Yes sometimes, like when im perk whoring  (Which is quite a bit some time)"

Yea -that was a loaded question. I did a stat on you and saw the hurri's and 262's :D You getting lazy man? :D
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Post by: WldThing on April 18, 2004, 11:00:41 PM
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Originally posted by opus
"Yes sometimes, like when im perk whoring  (Which is quite a bit some time)"

Yea -that was a loaded question. I did a stat on you and saw the hurri's and 262's :D You getting lazy man? :D


LOL -  Yeah im getting somewhat lazy to fly any prop planes,  so i jump in the Hurri rack some kills up,  save up for a 262 - fly it,  get a disco :(  (back to 30 perks) ...  Rinse and repeat :D