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Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: AKcurly on April 15, 2004, 01:22:44 AM
Interesting. :)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040414/ap_on_fe_st/norway_smoker_s_rights

Norwegian County Backs Smokers' Rights
Wed Apr 14,10:09 AM ET

OSLO, Norway - A Norwegian county has declared smoking to be a basic human right in a dispute over a ban imposed on one town's workers.

Levanger, a township of about 18,000 people in central Norway, banned all smoking by municipal employees during working hours on or off city property at the beginning of the year.

The ruling, which made national news Wednesday, came after three opponents of the rule, all local council members from the right-wing Party of Progress, asked the county governor's office to assess the ban's legality.

In a letter to the city dated Tuesday, the county declared the ban invalid because it violates the European Human Rights Convention.

It said the city can ban smoking on its property, but not, for example, if a worker was driving their own car or on private property.

The county cited a section of the convention that protects citizens' private lives.

The letter said "a total ban on smoking during working hours is a measure that is not reasonable in relation to the goal of the ban."

Birger Meinhardt and Steinar Holten, two of the politicians who lodged the complaint, celebrated the ruling on the steps of the Levanger town hall by lighting up the biggest cigars they could find.

"Just like before Jan. 1, 2004," Holten told the Troender-Avisa newspaper as he puffed on the cigar.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Saintaw on April 15, 2004, 01:39:07 AM
Finaly a country that sees the light!!!

Wtg Norway!
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Naso on April 15, 2004, 02:17:22 AM
Ready to go in Norway here.

Norvegian friends, how's the work situation there?

:)
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Nilsen on April 15, 2004, 03:15:03 AM
Work situation is not good here atm Naso but that is gonna change soon. :)

That ban was just plain retarded and it was just a matter of time before it was gonna be removed. :D
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: rpm on April 15, 2004, 03:28:44 AM
Hopefully some of the Anti-Smoking Nazi's in the U.S. will feel the same sting. You are worried about the carbon monoxide and carcinogens I am emitting while you ride around in a V-8 Escalade spewing more polution in a minuite than all the cigarettes I can smoke in a month? When you show up on a horse, we can talk about it.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: DiabloTX on April 15, 2004, 03:34:53 AM
Hey RPM?  Your avatar offends me, please remove it.


;)
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: rpm on April 15, 2004, 03:38:52 AM
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Hey RPM?  Your avatar offends me, please remove it.


;)

Sorry, too bad. But I do respect your freedom of religion in your avatar! ;)
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Nilsen on April 15, 2004, 04:04:17 AM
rpm371 :D
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Dago on April 15, 2004, 07:45:09 AM
What do you expect from a  country that soaks cod fish in lye, makes it into a gelled mess, then eats it?  :D

I don't care if someone smokes or not, I just don't agree they have a right to force others to breath it, or have to stay home just to avoid it.  If the health risks aren't bad enough, it just plain stinks!


dago
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Kweassa on April 15, 2004, 07:54:49 AM
Take heed, that even the Nazis at Auschwitz gave their Jew prisoners 3 cigarettes per week!

 I can live with bans against cigarettes in public places, but it just seems nowadays the "public" areas grow larger and larger :)

 Damn!
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: AdmRose on April 15, 2004, 08:07:39 AM
Your right to smoke in public ends where my fist begins.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Ripsnort on April 15, 2004, 08:09:43 AM
Farting in public is a God-given right too. I wonder how many restaurant smokers would mind if I did alittle crop-dusting past their tables? :)
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: gofaster on April 15, 2004, 08:49:50 AM
Crazy Norwegians!



We had a cold snap come through recently, complete with high winds and chilly air.  I was walking out of the credit union and  noticed all the workers in business suits huddling on the leeward side of the building, smoking.  They looked like well-dressed homeless people.  Ah, the face of addiction.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 15, 2004, 10:09:58 AM
Workers will be permitted 1 cigarette daily following the 2 minutes of hate.

Ridiculous policy...
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 15, 2004, 10:29:37 AM
Yep WTG

Smokers are big income for the state here in holland
my pack chesterfield cost me 4.6 euro now.
Still smokers die younger so they are cheaper in the end for the state.

Think of everybody healthy become over 100 years old.
what would cost the care.

Now what if we all stopped smoking.

What would the state do missing all the money,and that is a lot.
A litre gaz would cost 2 euro than
or even more.

They would tune up taxes to a point where all the "healthy" non or anti smoke whining lobby would beg us to smoke again.

It's my choice and i won't sue anyone.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Ripsnort on April 15, 2004, 10:31:15 AM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Yep WTG

Smokers are big income for the state here in holland
my pack chesterfield cost me 4.6 euro now.
Still smokers die younger so they are cheaper in the end for the state.

Think of everybody healthy become over 100 years old.
what would cost the care.

Now what if we all stopped smoking.

What would the state do missing all the money,and that is a lot.
A litre gaz would cost 2 euro than
or even more.

They would tune up taxes to a point where all the "healthy" non or anti smoke whining lobby would beg us to smoke again.

It's my choice and i won't sue anyone.


So, is this assuming they're not going to go on costly Cancer treatments?  The cost of Chemotherapy alone would be triple that of what the state would pay in benefits to a lived-long life.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Fishu on April 15, 2004, 10:41:34 AM
My basic human right is to breath cleaner air, without someone messing it with cigarettes...
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 15, 2004, 10:53:07 AM
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Originally posted by Fishu
My basic human right is to breath cleaner air, without someone messing it with cigarettes...


Yup, Nazi's were saints compared to smokers.

Burn the smokers!  (but not in a public place)
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 15, 2004, 11:18:35 AM
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So, is this assuming they're not going to go on costly Cancer treatments? The cost of Chemotherapy alone would be triple that of what the state would pay in benefits to a lived-long life.


what do u think someone cost after the pensioned age.
Than u get dement and u get all the deseases u get when u get old the treathment the help u need to eat etc etc.
ill bet this costs way more

oh and research on cancer still has to be done smoke or not

everybody got the right to breath clean air but don't make a smoker a pariah that is ridicilous.

tuly the big anti smoke lobby is just a bunch of whining tards and i mean the original ones.

:)
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Ripsnort on April 15, 2004, 11:28:38 AM
I think when you have a welfare state like some European countries do, if you smoke, you give up all rights to any health care money.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: SOB on April 15, 2004, 11:40:45 AM
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Levanger, a township of about 18,000 people in central Norway, banned all smoking by municipal employees during working hours on or off city property at the beginning of the year.

I hate smoking as much as the next fanatic non-smoker, but this is a bit much.  I'm not fond of being near a smoker after they've had a cig or two, but it's their right to smell like a filthy ashtray.  Although I wonder if this law would fly as an office policy in regards to people with allergies.  Some offices already forbid perfumes and colognes for this reason.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Fishu on April 15, 2004, 11:40:54 AM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Yup, Nazi's were saints compared to smokers.

Burn the smokers!  (but not in a public place)


wtf? what does nazis have to do with this?
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: SOB on April 15, 2004, 11:41:25 AM
Kurt Tank invented cigarettes, Fishu.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 15, 2004, 11:47:36 AM
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I think when you have a welfare state like some European countries do, if you smoke, you give up all rights to any health care money.

i Hope this includes alcohol for them too

a smoker might get only one fatal desease in his life
and other non smoker gets all

truly i feel strong still
and know a lot of man still working daily without any deasease
almost pensionated

and still smoking

Its'not going that all fast u see
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 15, 2004, 11:52:05 AM
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Originally posted by SOB
Kurt Tank invented cigarettes, Fishu.


Neg - he just designed the filter.  Evil bastard.

Khan is responsible for this vile combination of paper and leaf.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Wlfgng on April 15, 2004, 05:52:41 PM
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Burn the smokers! (but not in a public place)


lmao!!!
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Airhead on April 15, 2004, 10:22:42 PM
Smokers suck.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: NUKE on April 15, 2004, 10:32:56 PM
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it violates the European Human Rights Convention.


wouldn't want to go against the EU, that's bad.

Anyone in Europe even remotely concerned that the EU is taking away your sovereignty inch by inch?

WWIII will begin in Europe, just as the other two have.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Octavius on April 15, 2004, 10:58:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Farting in public is a God-given right too. I wonder how many restaurant smokers would mind if I did alittle crop-dusting past their tables? :)


HAHHAHAHHAHAHA!!  crop dusting?!  I haven't heard that one before :D
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Naso on April 16, 2004, 12:20:38 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Farting in public is a God-given right too. I wonder how many restaurant smokers would mind if I did alittle crop-dusting past their tables? :)


Be careful they dont have the lighter on !!!! :eek:

;)

WHOOOOOSH !!!!!

A jet propelled ripsnort. :D
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Capt. Pork on April 16, 2004, 12:32:44 AM
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Originally posted by Dago
If the health risks aren't bad enough, it just plain stinks!


dago


You are hereby banned from public farting.
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Gunslinger on April 16, 2004, 12:34:31 AM
smoking (wich is one of my faults/loves) inst worth putting up with socialism....wich is one of my enemys
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: Masherbrum on April 16, 2004, 08:23:14 AM
Smoking is a CHOICE.

Karaya
Title: Smoking: A Basic Human Right
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 16, 2004, 11:47:51 AM
Hooray for the Nanny State!