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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on April 15, 2004, 04:03:12 PM
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"The Bias Against Guns" Very good so far and written in a manner that is a lot less dry than "More Guns less Crime" but still meticulously researched and footmarked.
It focus's on the the media bias against firearms and why there is one.
lazs
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Ronnie Lott was a helluva DB.
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what is a db?
lazs
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Defensive Back-
A Safety or Cornerback, in, you know the NFL? ;)
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ah... those guys who go around slapping each others butts and doing drugs and such?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
ah... those guys who go around slapping each others butts and doing drugs and such?
lazs
they are all gay. Which normal, adult man would like to chase a stupid ball for a living?
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not GAy..... Insecure ;)
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Originally posted by mietla
they are all gay. What normal, adult man would like to chase a stupid ball for a living?
The ones who like making a minimum of hundreds of thousands of $$$ per year for doing so ;)
culero
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pretty sure that John Lott is not a gay football player. He is an economist tho.
lazs
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Any relation to Trent?
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Don't know... he is a white guy tho and too young to have the wife that got turned into a pillar of salt..
curly may know him since he is an academic of note.
lazs
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lazs...why don't you try reading something that gives an opposing viewpoint instead of just choosing books that appear to back up your opinions? This author is effectively preaching to the converted when you read his book.
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curval... if you were to read the book then you would understand that I am being bombarded with the oppossite view everyday allready.
The thing is... Lott started out antigun. Like me he felt that the liberals were doing a very poor job of proving their point about how evil guns were. Unlike me, he felt that they were right but that they were simply incompetent in getting their view across... I of course felt that they were unabashed liars and scumbags with no scrupples .... he eventually came around to seeing things as I do after exhaustive studies.
soo... curval... I contend that it is you, not I that have never read anything that gives the oppossite view.... I am pointing you to a source that gives the minority (for academics) viewpoint..
It is also the best researched and most accurate data that is available... this is not some lazy hazy liberal here like no discredited author who won accolades for his book on how we really don't have a tradition of firearms ownership... that guy actually got caught making stuff up...
Lott's research is solid... his facts have never been refuted and he makes mincemeat of any half prepared liberal who trys to refute his data.
If you are only going to read one book that states my view or, one book on the subject of gun control in the U.S. then you need to read this book... nothing else even comes close so far as accurate data. You can make what you want of the conclussions.
He does not argue for rights... he argues from an economists view.. are guns in America a good tradeoff economically? do they do more good than harm or vice versa.
read the book and tell me what you think of it... read the ligberal press reviews and you will be embarassed by the obvious lack of credibility of the reviewers (some who have obviously never even read the book but pretend to have).
lazs
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lazs...you are somewhat right, except that I have no need, desire or "gumption" to read anything on gun control.
It simple doesn't affect me.....hopefully this situation won't change.
You have very strong feelings on the subject and have a personal interest in it. But every single book you have posted on that you have read merely backs up and provides validation for your already strong feelings.
It is almost "Mr Black-like".:lol
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I think there should be a law against books about gun control.
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curval... I would contend that you do indeed have very strong feelings on gun rights... even the newest lurker will have noted that you respond to every gun thread even tho they pertain only to the U.S. in most cases.
How you arrived at your opinions is your bussiness but... If you have a book that sustantiates your viewpoint I would be glad to hear about it... Every anti gun rights book I have ever seen is rife with inaccuracies and outright lies that a child could disprove. Perhaps you know of a reputable one?
If, on the other hand... you are forming your opinions with no basis of fact or research then it seems odd that you would participate in the conversations.
I am pointing you to an author that is the best at the pro gun rights academics.
If you wish to make informed statements on the board about guns in the U.S. then you would need to read his books in order to balance out all the other anti rights things that are a part of normal liberal journalism.
fact is.. his book is out there and it is solid research by a respected economist who is very careful with data... no matter what conclussions you draw from his data you will have to admit that no one else has ever amassed so much and so carefully in one spot.
His latest book is much less dry and easy to read.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval... I would contend that you do indeed have very strong feelings on gun rights... even the newest lurker will have noted that you respond to every gun thread even tho they pertain only to the U.S. in most cases.
Untrue statement of fact there lazs. Currently there are three threads on this page devoted to guns, this one of yours, another you posted on about receiving a Russian gun, and another one posted by Ripsnort about Austrailian gun laws. I have only replied to one in three.
How you arrived at your opinions is your bussiness but... If you have a book that sustantiates your viewpoint I would be glad to hear about it... Every anti gun rights book I have ever seen is rife with inaccuracies and outright lies that a child could disprove. Perhaps you know of a reputable one?
I base my opinions on personal experience. Guns were legal here..now they aren't. (since 1971) This would give me a better perspective than yourself in some ways. I don't read books on gun control.
If, on the other hand... you are forming your opinions with no basis of fact or research then it seems odd that you would participate in the conversations.
See above.
I am pointing you to an author that is the best at the pro gun rights academics.
Okay...but I don't read books on the subject.
If you wish to make informed statements on the board about guns in the U.S. then you would need to read his books in order to balance out all the other anti rights things that are a part of normal liberal journalism.
I didn't know I needed to qualify by reading your recommended books to have an opinion.
fact is.. his book is out there and it is solid research by a respected economist who is very careful with data... no matter what conclussions you draw from his data you will have to admit that no one else has ever amassed so much and so carefully in one spot.
His latest book is much less dry and easy to read.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Data is always coalated into statistics. They, in turn, need to be interpreted.
I'm not saying it is wrong. It just seems to me that you are reading the same interpretations over and over again. That is all I am saying.
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curval... fair enough. you don't respond to every gun thread.. not yet anyway... I can't recall of one that closed tho that you didn't participate in at some point... the examples you gave are threads that are still open and current. I belive you did respond to the last thread on commie guns tho? Maybe not.
you respond to a lot of em. You claim that you know enough to respond to U.S. gun threads because.... because you have never read anthing on the subject but that guns were legal on your tiny little island at one time and now they aren't and because of that the daily wholesale slaughter has ended? no one is ever assaulted or killed anymore? Homicide has dropped how much?
I am pointing you to books that will give you the data and how and why the data has been collected.. the first book was not even meant for publication it was for academics both are highly footnoted.
Read the reviews at least by the detractors and then tell me who is playing with the data. It is a very truthful and straighforward study.
I still contend that for you to coment so much on gun rights... especially gun rights in the U.S. without any information at all to back you up is ludicrous.
How do I argue with someone who says "I know they are evil... it is obvious.. I don't need to research it at all but I will continue to offer my opinion"??
If you at least offered up a book that took your stance we would have a place to start.
If you are going to post in gun rights threads.... take a few hours to read the best and most complete work available... or... waste hundreds of hours reading the anti gun rights books only to realize how badly researched and biased they are.
oh... and the data is new in this book and studies somethoing different from the last... this book focuses on the media. Some statistics and data from the last book are presented and some are updated in the same careful way... think about... every bedwetter around is gunning for the guy... if he makes ONE mistake he will be the top news story on CNN.
lazs
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Originally posted by mietla
they are all gay. Which normal, adult man would like to chase a stupid ball for a living?
same type that would do it for free.
Like golfers
No sport...err I mean activity is more Gay then Golf
Cept maybe soccer:)
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playing sports seems ok.... watching them is gay tho.
lazs