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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gnslngr on April 15, 2004, 05:25:29 PM
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OK Finally...DSL is available and I sign up for it. My question is can I get a second DSL modem for a second computer without haveing to go the way of router and such?
I'm priced out for the amount of cat5 that i'd need and wirless stuff being outragiously expensive. I can get the same DSL modem for $15 on ebay.
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If it works the same way as here, you can't.
Wireless can be quite cheap. I have a D-Link ADSL router-switch 4 ports-wireless base station (22 Mbps, 256b encryption, control on MAC address). I paid it 200€, you should have the equivalent for much less in the US.
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I don't think so unless you get a second DSL line from the phoneco, complete with second access account.
What do you mean by outrageously expensive? Should be no more than $125 for router and cards for both computers unless I'm mistaken. Hell, I paid 3 times that for just a router years ago when I switched from modem to ISDN.
culero
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My wireless Base and 2 remotes were under $100.
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linksys router 40-50 bucks.. comes with a firewall which you need anyway.. network cards are 10 bucks or less... is that expensive?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
My wireless Base and 2 remotes were under $100.
WERE....I've shopped around and the cheapest i've seen was Dlink wireless router $69.99 and the wirless NIC card's are about 69.99 (JUST FOR THE CARD)
to me that's too much just to hook one computer up to another...sorry I gotta be a cheap bastage on this one but thanks for the help
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try froogle or pricewatch for shopping.. you will find wired to be cheaper, faster and more secure but you lose portability.
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Try tigerdirect.com
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
OK Finally...DSL is available and I sign up for it. My question is can I get a second DSL modem for a second computer without haveing to go the way of router and such?
No. You can connect two PCs via a network card. (Networking built into some motherboards, like the Asus A7N8X-DLX which quite a few of us have) It's not too hard to configure - IP addresses 192.168.0.1/2 etc. If you have a firewall, some settings need to change.
My network card cost £22 ($39) - bought it before I had the A7N8X.
Or spend some $ and get a router.
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its actually easier just to go buy a $70 (canadian) d-link router (more if you want wireless...) and be done with it...easiest thing in the world to setup...built in firewall that is pretty good and easy to setup...and if in the future you end up with a third computer your set (most come capable of using at least 4 computers)
you should be able to get them for a very low price from either radioshack or wal-mart...
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Yep, Vorticon. I just got this (http://www.aceex.com.tw/test1/product/ar412c.htm) ADSL router and I can hook 4 computers to it, works perfectly.
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Can't do two dsl modems with one phone line. You can do interent sharing between your PCs though if you don't want to spend the $40+ for a gateway/router/firewall.
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ok just to take this discussion a tad further...I've actually upgraded my other box to XP tonite to simplify the process but to my dismay....
I spent $60 tonite on a NIC 50' of CAT5 and a hub only to find out that the chitty DSL modem that SBC sent me WILL NOT AT ALL support two computers.
Im no computer genious but i'm not a retard by any means...networking just isnt my forte
I bid tonite on ebay for a modem that my neighbor has that seems to work....wish me luck...thanks for the help
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A DSL modem will not directly support two computers. But don't get dismayed. There are several ways to skin this cat. You got two network cards and some cable right? No hub? You're going to need either a hub/switch (cheap as $20) or a router (cheap as $40). The router has a built in hub/switch and is the best way by far to go. However, if you're as tight as my Dad and want to save that $20 you can connect the dsl modem to the $20 hub and then both PCs to that same hub. To do internet sharing you'll need to choose a PC to be the "primary" sharing PC. The 2nd PC will not connect unless the "primary" PC is up and running. You can then use the primary pc as your router/gateway. I won't go into the specifics unless you really want to go this way, which I don't recommend btw.
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It just occured to me that if your dsl modem connects to your pc via usb cable then you won't need a hub but will need to make your cat5 cable a crossover cable. You can then connect both pcs together and they can (once configured properly) share the internet connection.
Here's the pinout for a crossover:
1-3
2-6
3-1
6-2
I'm betting though that you don't have a tool to crimp the connectors onto the cable. If not, forget about this method and buy the hub or router.
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If you want to run a net cable directly between two computers and are trying to crossover the connection as akiron suggested, you can also go buy a CAB (crossover) connector Basicaly its a small plastic connector that has two rj-45 ports on each side and crosses the wires over inside. Just plug two rj-45 connecters to each side then to the two computers. Then you wont have to crimp your own cable.
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All it takes is a little looking a wireless router and card can be had for less than $60 802.11g is faster for transfers between computers 802.11a is 1st gen .11b is 2nd gen
Netgear wireless router $23.95
http://accessories.gateway.com/AccessoryStore/PC+Accessories_316441/Networking+_A1_+Modems_316719/Wireless+Networking_316729/Wireless+Routers_368450/1963314_ProdDetail
Netgear WGR614 802.11g Wireless Router
$36.94 after rebate
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008SCFL/qid=1082099058/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1_etk-electronics/002-1274622-2935222?v=glance&s=electronics&n=172282
Another router
Netgear MR814 802.11b Wireless 4-Port Cable/DSL Router $22.64 after rebate....
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006HYKM/ref%3Dnosim/slickdeals/002-1274622-2935222
$5 Wireless Card if its a laptop
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/2873634
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http://www.slickdeals.net
http://www.fatwallet.com
deals, coupons, sales galore and they all come from much more reliable vendors than you will ever find on pricewatch.com
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Originally posted by AKIron
A DSL modem will not directly support two computers. But don't get dismayed. There are several ways to skin this cat. You got two network cards and some cable right? No hub? You're going to need either a hub/switch (cheap as $20) or a router (cheap as $40). The router has a built in hub/switch and is the best way by far to go. However, if you're as tight as my Dad and want to save that $20 you can connect the dsl modem to the $20 hub and then both PCs to that same hub. To do internet sharing you'll need to choose a PC to be the "primary" sharing PC. The 2nd PC will not connect unless the "primary" PC is up and running. You can then use the primary pc as your router/gateway. I won't go into the specifics unless you really want to go this way, which I don't recommend btw.
The modem my first ADSL ISP sent me was a DLink DSL200. I'm still using it. But Iron, there is some confusing stuff around on the web about all this which suggests that you need two network cards. You do not - only one is needed. You need 2xNIC, but the DSL modem is acting as one NIC. Trust me, Tomato and I have this thing set up perfectly with just one network card. And on this mobo, I could even get rid of that. BTW, I'd like to meet your Dad. ;)
The host firewall settings need to define the host computer as a gateway to the internet.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
ok just to take this discussion a tad further...I've actually upgraded my other box to XP tonite to simplify the process but to my dismay....
I spent $60 tonite on a NIC 50' of CAT5 and a hub only to find out that the chitty DSL modem that SBC sent me WILL NOT AT ALL support two computers.
Im no computer genious but i'm not a retard by any means...networking just isnt my forte
I bid tonite on ebay for a modem that my neighbor has that seems to work....wish me luck...thanks for the help
Gunslinger, the networking aspect of this is built into Windows and is easy to set up, even for non-geeks.
Trust me on this, now that you have the NICs and CAT5, you're MUCH better off spending the money on a router than another modem. You'll not only get what you're trying to get (the 2 boxes online via the same connect) but also the advantage of having a hardware firewall to the internet AND the ability to connect more boxes if you ever want to.
The firewall thing is important.
culero
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Stop thinking you need another modem or a hub. That is not how it works. You need either a router or set up one of your boxes as a router. Do yourself a favor and pick up a router and plug it all in. Let me know and I'll walk you through the process.
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A router/firewall is by far the best way to go. Easy to set up and excellent protection against worms and hackers.
Bett1e, my Dad drinks Keystone beer, scotch and bourbon from plastic bottles and when he lost $20 in Vegas once, he cried. ;) It's not enough that he's tight with his money, he expects me to be also.
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Originally posted by AKIron
A router/firewall is by far the best way to go. Easy to set up and excellent protection against worms and hackers.
Bett1e, my Dad drinks Keystone beer, scotch and bourbon from plastic bottles and when he lost $20 in Vegas once, he cried. ;) It's not enough that he's tight with his money, he expects me to be also.
LOL Iron! I'm coming over there soon. I'll be sure to look you up.