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http://www.westpress.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=127638&command=displayContent&sourceNode=127637&contentPK=9562995
First he saves Japan, now England? Yikes.. :eek:
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Hey...with scientology...EVERYTHING is possible!!
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Hollywood pissing on the graves of dead men and all over the history of nations is nothing new.
7 Americans fought in the BoB. Out of nearly 3000, and 80% of them were British.
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Originally posted by deSelys
Hey...with scientology...EVERYTHING is possible!!
:rofl
This is shapng up to be another U-571 disgrace, and it all it was a bad movie too....
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I will probably go see it and give it a chance. As soon as it starts to get a bit 'the US saved your asses', I'll just leave the cinema and go see something more realistic like 'Gothika' or 'Starsky and Hutch'.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Hollywood pissing on the graves of dead men and all over the history of nations is nothing new.
7 Americans fought in the BoB. Out of nearly 3000, and 80% of them were British.
Actually, 10, but your right, Hollyweird does indeed like to rewrite history at the price of making $$
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Hollywood is so embarrassing sometimes. For my birthday my in-laws bought me the Pearl Harbor gift set because they knew I enjoyed WW2 history and films. I thanked them heartily. Kind and considerate gesture aside, I wish they had given me the reciept as well.
On the other hand, I enjoyed the Last Samurai and thought it was highly entertaining. I know next to nothing about feudal Japan; perhaps this is why I enjoyed it.
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Originally posted by VOR
On the other hand, I enjoyed the Last Samurai and thought it was highly entertaining. I know next to nothing about feudal Japan; perhaps this is why I enjoyed it.
Yes, and though entertaining, Hollywood had to take what were essentially terrorists and turn them into hero's (the Samauri) in order to make it entertaining and to make a profit.
Japan was at a moment of modernizing its country to keep up with the Western World and make life better for the average Japanese, while "old school" terrorists tried to prevent that from happening. Sounds familiar to what the extremist Muslims of todays world are trying to accomplish on a larger scale.
Progress cannot and will not be impeded.
Note: Whats ironic is, that modernization that the western world gave Japan systematically gave them the ability to wage its war against China and eventually the U.S. decades later.
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Yes, and though entertaining, Hollywood had to take what were essentially terrorists and turn them into hero's (the Samauri) in order to make it entertaining and to make a profit.
Although your parallel to current events is obvious and perhaps relevent, I didn't watch it with any particular ideas or filters in mind. I watched it, I liked it, I'll buy the DVD. I don't plan on using it as an historical or political reference.
Rip, I'm curious to know what you thought about "Dances With Wolves"? Very similar plot (ie WASP shows up to fight the "savages" but ends up joining them). Was this movie cut from the same mold?
Edit: Not trying to hijack the thread or start a debate about Manifest Destiny.
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Originally posted by VOR
Although your parallel to current events is obvious and perhaps relevent, I didn't watch it with any particular ideas or filters in mind. I watched it, I liked it, I'll buy the DVD. I don't plan on using it as an historical or political reference.
Rip, I'm curious to know what you thought about "Dances With Wolves"? Very similar plot (ie WASP shows up to fight the "savages" but ends up joining them). Was this movie cut from the same mold?
Edit: Not trying to hijack the thread or start a debate about Manifest Destiny.
I read the book, did not see the movie. From what I've read, they portrayed the typical American Indians life very well, but add in the fact that it was rare for indians and white people to get along after about 1850 as we did begin to treat them badly both financially (taking land) and physically.
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I know nothing about native american history, but I had a long discussion with a professor from Houston (Tx) University while he was visiting us a couple of years ago, and he told me that the movie was absolutely BS and pure tree-hugger fantasy (hey I love trees too but you know what I mean...)
Then I read a novella by Dan Simmons, certainly one of the living writers I respect most, in which the movie is mentioned.... Basically D. Simmons thought the same.
Honestly I enjoyed the movie the 1st time I saw it. At the light of what I've since learned, I have no desire at all to see it again.
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Originally posted by deSelys
I know nothing about native american history, but I had a long discussion with a professor from Houston (Tx) University while he was visiting us a couple of years ago, and he told me that the movie was absolutely BS and pure tree-hugger fantasy (hey I love trees too but you know what I mean...)
Yes, thats basically the summary of what I was trying to say.
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Originally posted by Dowding
I will probably go see it and give it a chance. As soon as it starts to get a bit 'the US saved your asses', I'll just leave the cinema and go see something more realistic like 'Gothika' or 'Starsky and Hutch'.
ROFLMAO.
Well said mate.
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I think Vernon Charles "Shorty" Keogh would be a better lead character: he was a proffessional parachute jumper and pilot who went to Europe to fight with the Finns with two other Americans (Andy Marmedorff & Red Tobin) but arrived too late, went to France and ended up escaping on one of the last ships out and ended up in the UK. The three they decided to join the RAF but had difficulty getting in until they bumped into a senior RAF officer in a pub who heard their plight and got them in straight away.
Cruise would be a good physical match for Shorty since he was the shortest officer in the RAF at the time (he needed two cushions to be able to see properly from the cockpit). All three men were assigned to 609 (West Riding) Squadron.
Keogh crashed into the North Sea and was killed while chasing a bomber. He was 29 years old at the time.
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Norm Nelson, my God parent and author of many outdoors articles for several publications in the 60's,70's used to say "If you want documented history, read a history book. If you want historical-revised entertainment, watch a movie thats based on historical events".
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Actually, 10, but your right,
The BoB Fighter Association and the RAF state 7 but it probably depends on what dates you take for the battle itself.
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Originally posted by Dowding
I will probably go see it and give it a chance. As soon as it starts to get a bit 'the US saved your asses', I'll just leave the cinema and go see something more realistic like 'Gothika' or 'Starsky and Hutch'.
Bugger...if only the Aussies had thought of it first....I mean we had only 21 pilots in the BOB (14 KIA) which means we saved your pommy arses 3 times more than the yanks!!!!
Of course if the kiwis (103 pilots/14 KIA) beat us to it they could claim to have saved your pommy tulips at least 14 times more...unless those crafty buggers the canadians get involved of course (90 pilots/20 KIA).....
Hrmmmm on second thought better just stick to Starsky Dowding...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by Pei
The BoB Fighter Association and the RAF state 7 but it probably depends on what dates you take for the battle itself.
Could be Pei, my dates show 10 American pilots flying with units under the command of RAF Fighter Command between 10 July and 31 October 1940 apparently qualifying for the Battle of Britain clasp to the 1939-45 British campaign star.
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lol Tronski :D
I've seen 'Starksy and Hutch' already. It's a great film, and Hollywood should stick to films like it or historical dramas that don't involve people that are still alive.
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The only problem I see with that article is the one British pilot who makes light of the character portrayed By John Wayne in "The Longest Day".
Actually, that particular paratrooper was pretty heroic and a great leader. He picked a pretty poor example of a character to say what he said.
And no, I'm not saying the British pilot was anything other than another fine example of what the RAF was made of.
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Originally posted by Dowding
lol Tronski :D
I've seen 'Starksy and Hutch' already. It's a great film, and Hollywood should stick to films like it or historical dramas that don't involve people that are still alive.
Generally they do make good historical movies imo...ie. Glory, Gettysburg, Thirteen Days, Gods and Generals, days of thunder, Behind Enemy Lines (errrrrr....maybe not the last two)...
I'm a big fan of Ben Stiller, and Owen Wilson and might even try to catch it tommorrow..
Tronsky
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I lost an uncle he was in a twin engine doing recon over France in '39. I think there was somewhere between 80-100 Canadians in figther group and aboot 200 in coastal command. Such a pivotal point in history i'm glad we could offer a liitle help to kick some Nazi anus.
cheers...
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Originally posted by Torque
I lost an uncle he was in a twin engine doing recon over France in '39. I think there was somewhere between 80-100 Canadians in figther group and aboot 200 in coastal command. Such a pivotal point in history i'm glad we could offer a liitle help to kick some Nazi anus.
cheers...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=114351&referrerid=3203
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Riptort:
"I told him that it didn't surprise me. Since we had come to France's rescue in World War I, World War II, Vietnam, and the Cold War, their ingratitude and jealousy was due to surface [again] at some point in the near future anyway.'
Yes Riptort as always it is the kettle and pot with you.;)
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Ahh, progressive "spelling" of BBS names, a sure sign of "disgruntled submission" ;)
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Originally posted by Dowding
I will probably go see it and give it a chance. As soon as it starts to get a bit 'the US saved your asses', I'll just leave the cinema and go see something more realistic like 'Gothika' or 'Starsky and Hutch'.
Could care less about the movie, but before Dec 41 the
UK was in severe backup mode. Less than a year later, the
first counter offensives were starting. Oh yeah, and June 42
was a very good month in the Pacific.
Knowing what a big fan you are of America, Dowding...
this probably annoys you greatly.
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Well Rino...
The thing is that America had so many heroes during the second world war...why try to nick other peoples? I am sure that there are numerous untold stories of US servicemen (which say, Band of Brothers just scratched the surface of) which would make equally good material.
Crumbs, if they want to do a great WW2 air war film, why not get Tom Cruise to paint his face black (or even better use Denzel Washington) and do a film on the Tuskegee (sp?) airmen.
U571 was just insulting to the Poles and the Canadians.
Anyway, as far as the film is concerned, I shall just be watching it for the flying scenes. Hope they're good!
There was a novel I read a while back called 'a piece of cake', written by an Englishman, about the early airwar. One of the only sensible people in the squadron of spits was an American, who thought of looking behind him rather than flying in tight formation. That ruffled a few feathers when it was published amongst the old guard.
Ravs
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Ravells, I have read the book "Piece of Cake" and thought it was a great story. (Not because the only sensible flyer is a Yank). ;)
I suppose I can see how it might have ruffled some feathers. On the other hand, the "Dowding Spread" and airshow-tight formations were abandoned early on by the RAF.
Loved the depth of technical info the author put into his descriptions of the machines and flying them. The characters social lives aside, it seems to have realistically portrayed life in an RAF fighter squadron during France and the BoB.
Remember the part where they were sliding down the stairs on tea serving trays? :rofl
I have heard that there was a TV series in the UK with the same title. Has anyone seen it, and was it any good? Was thinking of searching for it.
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I loved the book, VOR. I think they made it into a film for television. I've been hunting for it, but havn't found it yet - ebay calls.
The bit about the unpopular flight leader who the rest of his flight just leave in the lurch sticks in my mind.
At one of our cons in the UK, we had a WW2 veteran who was quite scathing about the film. Not sure why.
Ravs
[edit] I can see why the author used an American in the way he did. I think he was just trying to illustrate the fact that it took someone who was not 'of the RAF' to realise that tight formation was not the way to go - just a literary device. [edit]
Ravs
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How does anyone flying a Spit/Hurry Mk1 get killed by a frickin' Stuka? Unless he was really stupid or that Stuka pilot/gunner was extremely lucky, it shouldn't have happened.
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AdmRose, did this happen in the TV show? I don't recall it in the book. Then again, it has been a while since I read it.
I shot down a guy flying a Spit while flying a stuka in WB once with forward firing guns. Was funny...to me.
:D
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Adm...try flying against a Stuka in a Spit in IL-FB2: those gunners are lethal! :eek:
Ravs
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I'm talking about the BoB...the Stukas flew in formation all the way to the target, dived on it, and formed up again to go home. Sitting ducks if you approach them right (from their low 6 or low/high 12). This guy was obviously a fool if he dove right on the tail end of a Stuka formation. Not too lethal alone, but multiply that by 9-12 planes and then you have a problem.
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Originally posted by ravells
Crumbs, if they want to do a great WW2 air war film, why not get Tom Cruise to paint his face black (or even better use Denzel Washington) and do a film on the Tuskegee (sp?) airmen.
They already did... http://store.hbo.com/product/VMHHV0129/s.sgvh3XGQ
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Winston Churchill said it was our "finest hour", but yesterday it was revealed the Battle of Britain was won single-handedly by Tom Cruise
I knew that....!
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Rav, and for others interested:
Ebay has several new boxed sets for sale going for about $33 US. 5 DVD set mini-series.
Noticed that it's a Spitfire Squadron in the mini-series, but didn't they fly Hurricanes in the book? Almost positive..
If anyone has seen this, give me an opinion before I'm forced to take the plunge and order it.
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Originally posted by VOR
Ravells, I have read the book "Piece of Cake" and thought it was a great story. (Not because the only sensible flyer is a Yank). ;)
I suppose I can see how it might have ruffled some feathers. On the other hand, the "Dowding Spread" and airshow-tight formations were abandoned early on by the RAF.
Loved the depth of technical info the author put into his descriptions of the machines and flying them. The characters social lives aside, it seems to have realistically portrayed life in an RAF fighter squadron during France and the BoB.
Remember the part where they were sliding down the stairs on tea serving trays? :rofl
I have heard that there was a TV series in the UK with the same title. Has anyone seen it, and was it any good? Was thinking of searching for it.
The TV series is very good and quite true to the book, unfortunately it's not in print any longer.
If you liked "A Piece of cake" try
Goshawk Squadron
A Good Clean fight - some of the chareacters from Cake turn up
both by the same author.
Also try
Bomber
Goodbye MickeyMouse
By Len Deighton
and for a true story try Spitfire Summer by Geoffrey Wellum
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Thanks Schadenfreude. Ive actually read all but "A Good Clean Fight". Will have a look.
I thought Bomber was particulary good.
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Bomber by By Len Deighton is one of the best books I ever read about WW2. He is an excellent author who understand aviation and works it seamlessly into his stories.
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I'll look up Goshawk squadron and a good clean fight...thanks.
Bomber was fantastic...did you catch the radio play of it? I thought it was actually better than the book. A while back (I think when it was first broadcast) they did it in 'real time' with music breaks inbetween.
The Wellum book I read recently was 'first light' utterly brilliant..especially when he's describing the fear of not f***ing up. Wonder if we can get him to talk at our next con?
Ravs
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
The TV series is very good and quite true to the book, unfortunately it's not in print any longer.
If you liked "A Piece of cake" try
Goshawk Squadron
A Good Clean fight - some of the chareacters from Cake turn up
both by the same author.
Also try
Bomber
Goodbye MickeyMouse
By Len Deighton
and for a true story try Spitfire Summer by Geoffrey Wellum
Goodbye Mickey Mouse is my all-time fav book...I first read it when I was in my teens
Tronsky
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You guys should really read Spitfire Summer - it's available through Amazon - I read it through in one sitting - finished at 5.00am
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Coinicidenitally, I borrowed the first episode of "Piece of Cake" from the library last week. It was fantastic.
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Ben Affleck won the BoB.
In a P-51.
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At least Hollywood did "Windtalkers" right. Man, that movie was almost like a documentary. :rolleyes:
eskimo
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Originally posted by ravells
Well Rino...
The thing is that America had so many heroes during the second world war...why try to nick other peoples? I am sure that there are numerous untold stories of US servicemen (which say, Band of Brothers just scratched the surface of) which would make equally good material.
Crumbs, if they want to do a great WW2 air war film, why not get Tom Cruise to paint his face black (or even better use Denzel Washington) and do a film on the Tuskegee (sp?) airmen.
U571 was just insulting to the Poles and the Canadians.
Anyway, as far as the film is concerned, I shall just be watching it for the flying scenes. Hope they're good!
There was a novel I read a while back called 'a piece of cake', written by an Englishman, about the early airwar. One of the only sensible people in the squadron of spits was an American, who thought of looking behind him rather than flying in tight formation. That ruffled a few feathers when it was published amongst the old guard.
Ravs
I think you guys need to take a deep breath when it comes to
Hollywood. Anyone with a bit of sense knows that these movies
are in no way documentaries. Someone pitched a idea to
the producers, who then "interpret" the script to supposed
cater to the lowest common denominator.
By the by, they did make what I consider an absolutely cheesy
Tuskegee Airmen movie. As far as insulting the Poles and
Canadians, the US did capture an intact U-Boat, just much later
in the war, the U-505. In fact the Bletchley Park people were
furious as they thought the capture had blown the Engima
secret.
Try this link for more U-505 info:
http://www.msichicago.org/exhibit/U505/U505home.html
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Ravs, I have to agree with you that there are plenty of true US heroes to be brought to everyones attention and I am dismayed at the prospect of another inaccurate war film.
People may say that they see through the Hollywood 'hype' and realise it isn't history, but this couldn't be more from the truth. In todays society fewer and fewer average kids are not interested in history and what they see on TV or the big screen they think happened for real. It's a sad sorry state of affairs when they can't even get history right, or are too scared to make a film about a non-American pilot during WW2. Maybe if they did kids would realise that the world doesn't just revolve around the US and that other countries have heroes too.
Anyway, Ravs, do you remember the BBC drama 'Secret Army' that was on TV during the late 70s? The first two series are available on DVD now and they make really good viewing: http://www.survivorstvseries.com/Secret_Army.htm
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I dunno, the brits are kinda good at it themselves...
Seen any Dresden movies lately? Or how many movies have you seen about the Enigma that the Polish intelligence handed over to the Brits in late 39? (The poles had been reading German communications for years).
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I dunno, the brits are kinda good at it themselves...
Seen any Dresden movies lately? Or how many movies have you seen about the Enigma that the Polish intelligence handed over to the Brits in late 39? (The poles had been reading German communications for years).
So you're happy with unhistoric films? That's fine by me, of course they'll be having Tom Cruise, Whitney Houston, Danny De Vito and Nicole Kidman doing ABBA next! :)
Of course we won't see any Swedish war films, unless it's of Sweden secretly supplying the Nazi's type film, but then that would be boring wouldn't it?!
Most historians know the Polish deciphered the early Enigma code, afterall they went over to Bletchley Park. The film 'Enigma' wasn't set in 1939 though, but when, 1943/44, so at least that film doesn't do any disservice. I actually have seen a film about the Polish desciphering the early Enigma (it wasn't called Enigma then though) but I can't remember what it's called. I attended a seminar on the Enigma machine and it sang the praises of the Polish.
As for Dresden, well, there have been films showing the bombing of cities, London, Coventry, Dresden, Cologne, Hiroshima, Nagisaki... etc. I think you are confusing the argument of a film portraying something that didn't happen with something that did.
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Didn't the movie "Battle of Britton" protray the British in the correct light? Maybe it wasn't a "Hollywood" movie. It has been one of my all time favorites.
I don't know why but I have always realized the lack of historical accuracy in movies, regardless of who filmed it. I always watch them for story. I'm a romantic and I suppose if there is a girl involved it always makes it more interesting to me. I suppose also that since I spent the first 16 formative years of my life in another country I never have assumed that "we", the United States, did it all. Without trying to cast dispersions on any other country my heros have not only been americans but equally members of the United Kingdom which includes Australians, Canadians, Irishmen, Scots, and New Zealanders ( I have more than just a "bit" of Scotch/Irish blood in me). I have always admired the "stiff upper lip" philosophy towards life.
My family gets more than a little upset at me for constantly pointing out inacuracies in the equipment used and how well some of the weapons work but overall I guess I just enjoy "War" movies. I watch them not so much for historical content but for some insite into what is was like to "be there".
I do agree however that most of today's youngsters may not get a properly balanced view of how much our allies contributed in the last world war or recent conflicts either. I blame an education system that would rather rewrite history into feelgood history than present history for what it is...history.
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Originally posted by Replicant
So you're happy with unhistoric films? That's fine by me, of course they'll be having Tom Cruise, Whitney Houston, Danny De Vito and Nicole Kidman doing ABBA next! :)
Well, the thing is, I dont really look to Hollywood movies or any other movies for that matter to teach me about history. Books work just fine for me, and it is my experience, that generally speaking, (and depending on author naturally) reading books is a better way to learn history than to watch movies.
Even historic documentaries on the History channel or Discovery channel are prone to make errors or spread false or missleading information.
One example would be the infamous P-47 pilot bouncing .50 cals off the road to kill German Panzers by penetrating the bottom of the tank. Another example would be how they are often using news footage from one part of the war while talking about another part of the war, completely confusing the average viewer. Etc etc
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I think what some of you Johnny Foreigner-types are missing is that Hollywood is playing with one of our national myths. The summer of 1940 and the events surrounding it are one the most crucial events in recent British History.
Look at this way: how would the Yanks react if Pinewood Studios made a film portraying George Washington or Abraham Lincoln as Brit? I'd be able to hear the screams down here in Oz.
The 7 (or 10 on the Ripsnort Scale :)) US citizens were very brave and are still remembered, but so are Joe Kennedy and Henry Ford. The US contribution to the British war effort, so crucial later on, was effectively non-existant during the Battle (FDR managed to give us some old Destroyers towards the end of the battle, in exchange for some Naval bases). If anything it was the Battle Of Britain itself that convinced many Americans of the need to act, if not to actually got to war. So you can see how portraying Tom Cruise as the saviour of the day might come off as being a bit offensive to your average Brit.
It is still seen as our "finest hour". If anybody should be hijacking it it should be the Kiwis, Canucks or Poles :)
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
They already did... http://store.hbo.com/product/VMHHV0129/s.sgvh3XGQ
-SW
While I liked this film, I dinnae if it would qualify as an "air war film" though. It's more the story of thier trials getting to the war.
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Well, Rino, Nexx made my point for me as regards the phony Hollywood history. Kids these days are badly educated as it is without feeding them a load of garbage and tagging it as 'historical'.
Coming soon to a cinema near you:
The Forge
Synopsis: Sven the Swedish Steelworker risks all in his attempt to beat the factory record for amount of tonnes shipped to fascists in a single week. Eschrewing food, sleep and sauna breaks, he pushes himself to the limit to keep the Nazi war machine supplied with high quality steel, so that 60 years later his descendents can self-righteously criticize other nations for actually fighting tyranny.
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Originally posted by Dowding
The Forge
Synopsis: Sven the Swedish Steelworker risks all in his attempt to beat the factory record for amount of tonnes shipped to fascists in a single week. Eschrewing food, sleep and sauna breaks, he pushes himself to the limit to keep the Nazi war machine supplied with high quality steel, so that 60 years later his descendents can self-righteously criticize other nations for actually fighting tyranny.
Throw in a handful of blondes, a carrot and a couple of really bad script-writers and that sounds like a classical 70s softporn blockbuster.
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The Poles won the BoB.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Well, Rino, Nexx made my point for me as regards the phony Hollywood history. Kids these days are badly educated as it is without feeding them a load of garbage and tagging it as 'historical'.
Coming soon to a cinema near you:
The Forge
Synopsis: Sven the Swedish Steelworker risks all in his attempt to beat the factory record for amount of tonnes shipped to fascists in a single week. Eschrewing food, sleep and sauna breaks, he pushes himself to the limit to keep the Nazi war machine supplied with high quality steel, so that 60 years later his descendents can self-righteously criticize other nations for actually fighting tyranny.
LOL Dowding and Hortlund, you guys really throw out some good ones when you get going :)
Peace be with you both
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Intresting... 50 some responses commenting on a movie which will "start filming soon"
All I know is Tom Cruise will stretch his acting talent and play the cocky guy.
Besides, everybody knows Ben Afleck won the BOB and then went on to bomb Tokyo.
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It's all in good fun, Nuke. :)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Besides, everybody knows Ben Afleck won the BOB and then went on to bomb Tokyo.
And dont forget saving Pearl Harbor... Ughhhh...
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People go to movies not recieve an education in history. Although it would be nice if they made the time pieces slightly more historic.
Personally the only movie i will see this year in the theaters will be Troy, and that is only if it is based on the illiad.
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Can't wait to see a film where b17's use bouncing bombs to destroy dam's. With the british pleading with the americans to do it for them because we are unable.
hey. or better yet. Ben affleck defeating the french at the battle of agincourt while the british cower behind him, or an american admiral leading an american fleet to win the battle of trafalgar.
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
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Speaking of Agincourt, I've recently purchased an English "D" style longbow and I'm trying in vain to learn how to shoot it.
I'm trying to find a nice frame from the Holy Grail to use as a target..you know, the scene where the Frenchman on the ramparts calls Arthur, King of the Britons an English pigdog? I figure if I'm going to try to learn an historically significant weapon I might as well go all-out on historical accuracy to set the mood of the day.
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Originally posted by Rino
I think you guys need to take a deep breath when it comes to
Hollywood. Anyone with a bit of sense knows that these movies
are in no way documentaries. Someone pitched a idea to
the producers, who then "interpret" the script to supposed
cater to the lowest common denominator.
By the by, they did make what I consider an absolutely cheesy
Tuskegee Airmen movie. As far as insulting the Poles and
Canadians, the US did capture an intact U-Boat, just much later
in the war, the U-505. In fact the Bletchley Park people were
furious as they thought the capture had blown the Engima
secret.
Rino, I quite agree. Tom Cruise, as they say, puts bums on seats. Every movie which seeks to dramatise historical events is going to have to take a few liberties to make the film have a coherent plot. The point is the extent to which the liberties are taken.
A good example would be 'Operation Daybreak' - in my view, the best WW2 film ever made. Although the actors spoke in English, the audience was left in no doubt that the heroes were Czech and from what I've read, they managed to follow the real events pretty closely without sacrificing too much accuracy.
Still we mustn't convict the Tom Cruise film until we've seen it.
Replicant: I shall be buying 'Secret Army' soon. I hope I don't think of 'ello 'ello when I see it!
Ravs