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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on April 17, 2004, 01:19:50 PM
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or at least is in critical condition:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4766120/
Israeli strike destroys Hamas leader’s car
Rantisi may have been wounded in Gaza missile attackBREAKING NEWS
The Associated Press
Updated: 2:10 p.m. ET April 17, 2004GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Israel blew up Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi’s car in Gaza City on Saturday, Israeli security sources said. Palestinian rescue sources said two people were killed and one was badly injured.
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The security sources told The Associated Press that Rantisi was killed in the strike, but that could not be independently confirmed.
Palestinian sources confirmed the car belonged to a high-ranking member of Hamas.
A burned, destroyed car was left on the road near Rantisi’s house and one badly burned body was removed from the car by paramedics. Witnesses said there were three people in the car at the time.
It was unclear if Rantisi, Hamas’ top leader in Gaza, was in the car at the time of the explosion.
Palestinians ran into the street and called for revenge.
Israel had previously tried to kill Rantisi in a helicopter strike on his car June 10. In a retaliatory attack the next day, 16 Israelis were killed in a Hamas suicide bombing in Jerusalem.
The explosion happened Saturday evening a block from Rantisi’s house in the Sheik Radwan neighborhood of Gaza City, about 100 yards from where Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin was buried after Israeli assassinated him last month.
© 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved
Oh those poor terrorists of Hamas have been persicuted for SOOO long....they are just poor victoms of the great evil zionist state of Israel.
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Good for Isreal.
If you are going to declare war on a Isreal and call for it's destruction, you might as well consider yourself dead.
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Hooray for Israel....
Hamas's days are numbered...
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Ah, the road map for peace in action.
...-Gixer
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lol Gixer!
The Irony.
Ravs
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Originally posted by Gixer
Ah, the road map for peace in action.
...-Gixer
Yeah, when a guy who leads Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel and plans to send more suicide bombers to kill civilians, the roadmap for peace is sort of out the window.
Israel needs to wipe out anyone and anything that declares war on them. That's the game Hamas chooses to play, so they will and should all die.
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lol! Nuke...you're missing the joke.
'Roadmap'....he was in a car.... geddit???
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
lol! Nuke...you're missing the joke.
'Roadmap'....he was in a car.... geddit???
Ravs
well Im not sure he meant that Ravs..... but if he did, that's pretty clever and funny.
I just don't think he meant it that way.
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haha i wanted to post..
JOB OPENING!!!!
NEEDS immediate filling!!!
Then name some of the "terrosists supporters in here "
hehe
Kik there bellybutton Isreal
Love
BiGB
xoox
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Ohhh Gixer is a clever guy. I don't think it escaped him. He was just cutting the black humour both ways.
Ravs
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WTFG another terrorist scum burned alive like they deserve.
They should add some pig fat to the missle payload to properly
end the terrorists life.
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Wtg IDF good hit
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Yes it was meant as humour to cut both ways. When politicans use titles like "road map to peace" for their latest bright idea it opens up many possibilities for the synical.
I usually keep my true opinon on forum subjects to myself. Prefer to fire off the one that's the most argumentive and therefore most entertaining while I'm at work. :)
I think most people at the moment might think I'm a Pacifist, anti US liberal which is most entertaining. :D
...-Gixer
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gixer
this nutbag did not want peace - he wanted the Israelis dead
he was a hinderance to the peace process - WAS being the key word now
please don't shed too many tears for the muderous scum
Israel - WTG!!!!
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I hope you'll be cheering as loudly for the Israeli individuals who are assassinated who are just as brutal as Hamas.
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
I hope you'll be cheering as loudly for the Israeli individuals who are assassinated who are just as brutal as Hamas.
Ravs
amazing statement rav
you don't see a difference? an Israeli child should die just as this muderous sandsucking scum did? you do not see the termination of this rabid animal as progress towards peace? he did not want peace as long as a jew was breathing. how do you deal with that - other than what was done?
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Perhaps I made the point badly.
I think there are Israelis who are just as happy killing Palestinians as the other way round. That is Israelis who don't want to see any Palestinians breathing either.
But we don't get to know their names in order to personalise it, like we do with the Palestinians.
I am not a fan of Hamas, I think they're poisonous. But the reflection in the mirror exists on the other side.
The sooner those people start intermarrying and having kids the safer all of them will be. But of course that will never happen.
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
Perhaps I made the point badly.
I think there are Israelis who are just as happy killing Palestinians as the other way round. That is Israelis who don't want to see any Palestinians breathing either.
But we don't get to know their names in order to personalise it, like we do with the Palestinians.
I am not a fan of Hamas, I think they're poisonous. But the reflection in the mirror exists on the other side.
The sooner those people start intermarrying and having kids the safer all of them will be. But of course that will never happen.
Ravs
This is the thinking that has got the world in so much trouble it is in TODAY!
OH YEA "i dont support hamas but israel is EVIL"
A Killer was assasinated today.....SHOW ME were Israelis carried bombs onto busses and and blew themselves up. Yea I've heard the storys of the camps and this and that.
BOTTOM LINE IS THIS: This man was EVIL and NEEDED to Die.....
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Originally posted by Eagler
gixer
this nutbag did not want peace - he wanted the Israelis dead
he was a hinderance to the peace process - WAS being the key word now
please don't shed too many tears for the muderous scum
Israel - WTG!!!!
I think both sides are just as bad as each other. Terroists use (only effective weapon to them) suicide bombs Israel uses laser guided bombs, rockets and tanks, same result. Either way tit for tat violence is the biggest hinderance to any possible peace process. Killing Hamas leaders dosn't make the slightest difference someone else just steps up to the plate.
Untill the tit for tat violence ends there never will be any chance of peace in that region.
Oh don't worry, I'd shead more tears if someone scratched my Jeep then for a Hamas Leader.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
I think both sides are just as bad as each other. Terroists use (only effective weapon to them) suicide bombs Israel uses laser guided bombs, rockets and tanks, same result. Either way tit for tat violence is the biggest hinderance to any possible peace process. Killing Hamas leaders dosn't make the slightest difference someone else just steps up to the plate.
Untill the tit for tat violence ends there never will be any chance of peace in that region.
Oh don't worry, I'd shead more tears if someone scratched my Jeep then for a Hamas Leader.
...-Gixer
since your a fellow jeep owner I'll go easy but
suicide bombs Israel uses laser guided bombs, rockets and tanks, same result
how can you compare blowing up woman and children while shopping for dinner in a market to killing an evil man surgically (not sure if thats a word but you get the meaning) who has no more desire in the world but to kill jews
these people are terrorists (hamas) they KILL....nope...they MURDER...indescriminatly soley because they are jews.
I realize what your saying but I think those are dangerous words.
If a black guy killed a Klansmen that performed numerious lynchings would you say "blacks are violent people and probably deserved it" or would you say "way to rid the world of evil"
anyways....
<--93 YJ wrangleer what you got?
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I understand your opinon completely, agree letting off a bomb in a crowded resturant to cause maximum civilian casualties is a terrible act. However I do understand that's the only method they have of attack. Of course I don't agree with it.
Though a rocket fired from a helicopter into a busy street isn't exactly a surgical assination to limit civilian casualties. My opinon was that there will never be peace as long as the tit for tat violence continues, it dosn't get anywhere.
As for the Jeep, it's a modified 97 4.0L TJ. As we all know, real Jeeps aren't bought they are built :D
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
A Killer was assasinated today.....SHOW ME were Israelis carried bombs onto busses and and blew themselves up. Yea I've heard the storys of the camps and this and that.
BOTTOM LINE IS THIS: This man was EVIL and NEEDED to Die.....
How does it differ if person A blews up a bus with couple IDF soldiers in it (and kills 10 others by doing so) or if person B launches a rocket/missile to the house and kills Hamas fighters and 10 other humans?
I'm not sorry about that death (thought assasination as a politic tool is a bit dubious) but I also wouldn't care much if some palestinian would blow Sharon to the hell (Sabra & Shatila anyone?)
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Originally posted by Staga
How does it differ if person A blews up a bus with couple IDF soldiers in it (and kills 10 others by doing so) or if person B launches a rocket/missile to the house and kills Hamas fighters and 10 other humans?
I'm not sorry about that death (thought assasination as a politic tool is a bit dubious) but I also wouldn't care much if some palestinian would blow Sharon to the hell (Sabra & Shatila anyone?)
10 ppl?
this missile strike killed the murdering nutbag and one of his bodyguards
and as your example goes, it is a HUGE difference .. sry if you can not comprehend it
one slight fact - if the Hamas ftr/leader did not blow up the bus in the first place, their arses wouldnt be sitting with babba now...
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Originally posted by Staga
How does it differ if person A blews up a bus with couple IDF soldiers in it (and kills 10 others by doing so) or if person B launches a rocket/missile to the house and kills Hamas fighters and 10 other humans?
I'm not sorry about that death (thought assasination as a politic tool is a bit dubious) but I also wouldn't care much if some palestinian would blow Sharon to the hell (Sabra & Shatila anyone?)
The Israelis, however forcefully, at the very least level their crosshairs on targets that are purely militant.
Palestinians don't bother with crosshairs of any sort. Their primary targets are Israelis civilians, with a preference for soldiers.
Furthermore, when those militant elders surround themselves with 'followers' to gaurantee civilian casualties in the event of an attack, all for the sake of making the IDF look like the SS, it is the militant leadership that commits the ultimate crime.
Show me one example of Israelis aiming their missiles, seeing that there is no military target and then saying 'screw it, we're out here, we're ready to go, let's just go ahead and fire anyway.'
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So what was the K/D ratio between israelis and palestinians now?
Eagler this is not the first time israel has been killing palestinian leaders. They don't mind if few civilians die at the same time; if you think otherwise... well propaganda is a powerfull tool when used right.
Capt.Pork, Guess who are the names in the list below:
Brigadier General Yiftah Spector, Colonel Yigal Shohat, Colonel Ran, Lieutenant Colonel Yoel Piterberg, Lieutenant Colonel David Yisraeli, Lieutenant Colonel Adam Netzer, Lieutenant Colonel Avner Ra'anan, Lieutenant Colonel Gideon Shaham, Major Haggai Tamir, Major Amir Massad, Major Gideon Dror, Major David Marcus, Major Professor Motti Peri, Major Yotam, Major Zeev Reshef, Major Reuven, Captain Assaf, Captain Tomer, Captain Ron, Captain Yonatan, Captain Allon, Captain Amn.
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staga
keep justifying the terrorist side for us pls :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Staga
So what was the K/D ratio between israelis and palestinians now?
Does it matter?
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Eagler do you know who are men behind those names? Do you know what they have done and what are they doing?
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Originally posted by Staga
How does it differ if person A blews up a bus with couple IDF soldiers in it (and kills 10 others by doing so) or if person B launches a rocket/missile to the house and kills Hamas fighters and 10 other humans?
I'm not sorry about that death (thought assasination as a politic tool is a bit dubious) but I also wouldn't care much if some palestinian would blow Sharon to the hell (Sabra & Shatila anyone?)
its a huge difference. Most suicide attacks take place to commit maximum carnage. They are not targeted at military troops or military structure. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!
This spin just amazes me....IDF = SS stormtroopers HAMAs = Freedom fighters
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Originally posted by Staga
Eagler do you know who are men behind those names? Do you know what they have done and what are they doing?
yes.
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Originally posted by Staga
Eagler do you know who are men behind those names? Do you know what they have done and what are they doing?
Yeah, so what?
Every fighting force has its share of conscientious objectors, even among those that were the cream of the crop.
Just because somebody agrees with you doesn't make you or them correct.
Regarding your belief that suicide bombing is the most effective weapon in their arsenal, I think that 'weapon' is a misnomer. Little kids blowing themselves up to prove a point isn't a military attack, it's propeganda of desperation. It's the loudest, most shameful way of screaming 'look world, what these oppressors are making us do'. Guess what? Stop doing it and you'll not only have a better chance at talking your way into a suitable agreement(because the Israelis WON'T give up hunting this scum, EVER, no matter how many armchair politicians like yourself pass judgment on them from a distance of 5 thousand miles, or how many idiots like the Corrie girl try to apply Height-Asbury protest tactics against them), you'll also save a generation of young people from indoctrination and death at the hands of 'pediatricians' like Rantisi... May his soul burn in hell.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Yeah, so what?
Every fighting force has its share of conscientious objectors, even among those that were the cream of the crop.
Just because somebody agrees with you doesn't make you or them correct.
Regarding your belief that suicide bombing is the most effective weapon in their arsenal, I think that 'weapon' is a misnomer. Little kids blowing themselves up to prove a point isn't a military attack, it's propeganda of desperation. It's the loudest, most shameful way of screaming 'look world, what these oppressors are making us do'. Guess what? Stop doing it and you'll not only have a better chance at talking your way into a suitable agreement(because the Israelis WON'T give up hunting this scum, EVER, no matter how many armchair politicians like yourself pass judgment on them from a distance of 5 thousand miles, or how many idiots like the Corrie girl try to apply Height-Asbury protest tactics against them), you'll also save a generation of young people from indoctrination and death at the hands of 'pediatricians' like Rantisi... May his soul burn in hell.
wow Well Said
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Well, if you look into the abyss....
Don't you think that part of the reason why we have suicide bombers is that many Palestinians have been treated shamefully over the years?
In a way, we create the nature of our enemies by the way we behave.
It's sort of like karma.
Ravs.
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Originally posted by ravells
Don't you think that part of the reason why we have suicide bombers is that many Palestinians have been treated shamefully over the years?
Yes, you are correct.
The reason the Jews didn't rip that 16 year-old would-be suicide attacker limb from limb last month, burning his body and dancing around the corpse, is because history has never been anything but kind to them.
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Originally posted by Eagler
yes.
So you know who they are. Nice.
Would you tell us all what are they doing and why (their reason, not yours or Capt.Porks opinion)?
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I'm sure the Palestinians would be happy to have a fair stand up fight in defined military terms.
Why don't you send them Apache gunships, tanks and other military paraphenalia so they don't have to use children to try to infiltrate road blocks?
Race persecution takes many forms and the Jews of all people should be more sensitive to that than most people, given the level persecution they have suffered in the past.
They say that abused children are more likely to grow up to be child abusers themselves...maybe the same is true for peoples that have been abused too.
I know the Israelis have tried to offer olive branches in the past...as have the Palestinians. But in both cases, there is a minority who want to derail the process.
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
But in both cases, there is a minority who want to derail the process.
This is true. On both sides, a majority just want peace. There will always be the 'no peace without victory' crowd.
As for the Israelis being sensitive towards oppression, I think that a more important factor in their behavior as a society is being very sensitive to potential oppressors of the future.
As when dealing with any bully, the Israelis have come to understand the force is the only language of importance. They've used it before, with success, against a consolidated, numerically superior, well armed Arab force. Their fight with the Palestinians is but an extension of the larger conflict that has been waging, on multiple fronts, hot and cold, since the inception of the Israeli state.
As sad as it is, we cannot expect generocity and benevolance from a group of people that consider their lives and the lives of their children constantly threatened. Furthermore, the anti-Israeli climate brewing in Europe is doing very little except to polarize their beliefs and strengthen their resolve to stay tough.
They said 'Never Again'. They vowed to do anything to prevent it.
I believe them
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Originally posted by ravells
I'm sure the Palestinians would be happy to have a fair stand up fight in defined military terms.
Why don't you send them Apache gunships, tanks and other military paraphenalia so they don't have to use children to try to infiltrate road blocks?
Race persecution takes many forms and the Jews of all people should be more sensitive to that than most people, given the level persecution they have suffered in the past.
They say that abused children are more likely to grow up to be child abusers themselves...maybe the same is true for peoples that have been abused too.
I know the Israelis have tried to offer olive branches in the past...as have the Palestinians. But in both cases, there is a minority who want to derail the process.
Ravs
do you not see you are contradicting yourself.
first you bring up.....Lets arm the terrirsts so they can have a fair fight so they dont have to use children.....
sorry that's about as dumb as it gets
then you say...both cases there is a minority that wants to derail the process.
WELL WHO DO YOU THINK THE IDF HAS TARGETED AS OF LATE?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
the IDF are NOT storm troopers....they are not blowing themselvs up to kill woman and children....yes in past fights some innocent palistinians have died but that does not excuse suicide bombings.
you morons that think killing ONE terrorist and his body guard is the same thing as a teenager blowing him/herself up on a buss or cafe full of kids is just MORONIC to say the least.
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Yes, but let's not forget how much the Palestinans have been screwed by other Arab states.
Frankly, if the Jews realised that they could do more for the Palestinians than other Arab states could, then they'd be on a winner in getting peace.
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
Yes, but let's not forget how much the Palestinans have been screwed by other Arab states.
See, that's the part that pisses me off even more. The Palestinians, it seems, are being used as the fulcrum upon which the greater Arab world is trying to leverage a campaign of public opinion against Israel.
The fact is, for their own reasons, each of which is justified in the eyes of the individual group, nobody is willing to take a step towards change.
It's a very complex syndrome. It seems that no single cure will leave the organism healthy.
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
do you not see you are contradicting yourself.
first you bring up.....Lets arm the terrirsts so they can have a fair fight so they dont have to use children.....
sorry that's about as dumb as it gets
then you say...both cases there is a minority that wants to derail the process.
WELL WHO DO YOU THINK THE IDF HAS TARGETED AS OF LATE?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
the IDF are NOT storm troopers....they are not blowing themselvs up to kill woman and children....yes in past fights some innocent palistinians have died but that does not excuse suicide bombings.
you morons that think killing ONE terrorist and his body guard is the same thing as a teenager blowing him/herself up on a buss or cafe full of kids is just MORONIC to say the least.
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I was responding to the question as to *why* the Palestinians use terrorism as a means of fighting back. They have no other options.
As I said in a previous post (which you may not have read), I have no sympathy for Hamas. However I do believe that you are a little naive that killing Hamas leaders is going to bring peace. The way to bring peace is to make Hamas irrelevant. By killing their leaders, you make them more relevant. Just look at the news coverage on the number of Palestinians vowing revenge. This just means more Israeli civilians being killed on buses and in nightclubs. Sharon's policy is utter stupidity. Bush has not helped by ripping up the road map.
You have a very cartesian view about solving human problems, as Capt. Pork said, it's a complex problem. Using a blunt instrument is not going to solve it.
In my experience, solving human problems works far better if you show people kindness rather than violence. Sure violent people will try to derail it. But IMHO, people are less likely to want you dead if you are nice to them.
Ravs
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Originally posted by Staga
So you know who they are. Nice.
Would you tell us all what are they doing and why (their reason, not yours or Capt.Porks opinion)?
they are following their beliefs instead of their duty
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Originally posted by ravells
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I was responding to the question as to *why* the Palestinians use terrorism as a means of fighting back. They have no other options.
As I said in a previous post (which you may not have read), I have no sympathy for Hamas. However I do believe that you are a little naive that killing Hamas leaders is going to bring peace. The way to bring peace is to make Hamas irrelevant. By killing their leaders, you make them more relevant. Just look at the news coverage on the number of Palestinians vowing revenge. This just means more Israeli civilians being killed on buses and in nightclubs. Sharon's policy is utter stupidity. Bush has not helped by ripping up the road map.
You have a very cartesian view about solving human problems, as Capt. Pork said, it's a complex problem. Using a blunt instrument is not going to solve it.
In my experience, solving human problems works far better if you show people kindness rather than violence. Sure violent people will try to derail it. But IMHO, people are less likely to want you dead if you are nice to them.
Ravs
ok I get what you are saying now....I still think its wrong. I have to admit I dont know how a cartesian thinks, but let me tell you how I think:
This problem stems from biblical times and is almost as old as man himself. I DO NOT think it will go away. I DONT think there is a chance for peace. These two neighbors will NEVER live in harmony EXCEPT for a certain 7 year period....(but I wont go there right now)
I think Isreal should build a wall...make it big....and add a buffer zone. Keep out the suicide bombers and continue to rip apart their leadership. Doing nothing will only lead to defeat. Allowing harmony and cohabitiation will lead to a dismantlement of an Israli state. I'm not a warmonger by anymeans but I am also not a pascifist. I sit at my home comfortable knowing that the chances of a teenager walking up to my family and blowing himself up is pretty negligable. BUT, its bound to start here in the states if it is proven that it works elsewere. To counter act this I think the forces that be must make a STRONG but measured response.
There is no apeasing these people....you give them territory and they give you C4 Backpack filled with carpenters nails.
anyways that's my view of the whole situation.
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Well, Cartesian thought refers to Rene Descartes, who was a philsopher and mathematician. He lived in, I think the 1700s. He was a pretty amazing character, coined the phrase: 'ergo cognito sum' (I think that's right) - which means 'I think therefore I am'. The idea being that if you are sentient, you recognise your own existence and that proves reality (or something like that).
As a mathematatian, he was responsible for discovering the coordinate system, (which we use to plot graphs) so when I say, you have a Cartesian point of view, it means you see things in a rational, mathematical, black and white way. For example: My friend's enemy is my [edit] not friend, enemy [edit]. True in a Cartesian sense, but not always in real life.
Moving on to the second part of your post...if you think that there is no hope of peace and that we should all throw our hands up and give up...that's not satisfactory to me. I think there is a hope for peace. We've done it in other situations we can do it here. It may take courage, work, blood and effort but I think it can be done. The Israelis and Palestinians can do it by building bridges (I've suggested a couple of ways in which this can be done) we, on the rest of the planet can help by not demonising one side or the other.
Most people are just the same. Their needs are pretty simple. They need shelter, electricity, food and water. They want to bring up a family, have a shot at getting a good job if they work hard and then maybe after that, aspire to some sort of 'Dallas' lifestyle.
Ravs
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Thanks for the info on cartisian. YUP i'm a pretty black and white guy....
I didnt say give up I just dont see peace happening so we live with the current situation.
Actually (and I didnt want to get into this but I feel compelled to) I beleive (deep breath...ok here goes...please no aluminum beanie link posts) that isreal will find its peace. A peace accord will be signed for 7 years with them by the world community/UN or what ever it is called at that time. That's about as much as I want to rant on that. There will be fighting there for years to come and other countrys will attempt to invade isreal a few more times but will fail. I dont think untill that accord is signed that there is any chance for peace. When it does happen I hope i'm not on this earth to see it. I could go on but I really dont feel like preaching right now.
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So, effectively the difference between Palenstine terrorists and Israel is.. um.. what?
If you car bomb someone on grounds of retaliatory strike for national security, then that's not a terrorism anymore?
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Makes you kinda wonder if the "status" each side is in makes any difference to real world definition on 'terrorism', when both sides are now using simular methods.
One could always argue that Israelis would only target terrorist leaders.. but well, hearing how they regularly shoot at civilians, frankly I think the Palestine people are mostly enraged and 'terrified' of Israel at the same time.
One thing for sure, boy am I glad that I don't have to be neighbors with Israel.
ps) The really weird thing is, they're taking votes on human rights issues concerning North Korea when clearly the hottest spot concerning human rights is across the globe on the opposite side.
Howcome the inspection-loving(they visit other places more often than mailmen it seems) UN and US never root out for sending human rights inspectors to Israel and Palestine?
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Have they picked a new guy? Or... are they keeping that particular announcement hush hush for the time being?
(Perhaps they're going through some rebranding consultations and will make the official product launch sometime in the future).
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The new guy is being kept secret for now while he's being measured for a coffin
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Originally posted by Kweassa
So, effectively the difference between Palenstine terrorists and Israel is.. um.. what?
If you car bomb someone on grounds of retaliatory strike for national security, then that's not a terrorism anymore?
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Makes you kinda wonder if the "status" each side is in makes any difference to real world definition on 'terrorism', when both sides are now using simular methods.
One could always argue that Israelis would only target terrorist leaders.. but well, hearing how they regularly shoot at civilians, frankly I think the Palestine people are mostly enraged and 'terrified' of Israel at the same time.
One thing for sure, boy am I glad that I don't have to be neighbors with Israel.
ps) The really weird thing is, they're taking votes on human rights issues concerning North Korea when clearly the hottest spot concerning human rights is across the globe on the opposite side.
Howcome the inspection-loving(they visit other places more often than mailmen it seems) UN and US never root out for sending human rights inspectors to Israel and Palestine?
Yes comrade you are correct. The loving peaceful peoples army of North Korea would never commit such attrocities. North Korea enjoyes PEACE with its neighbors unlike Israel. North Korea lives and prospers only to feed its people, Not for self serving reasons like the evil zion capitalists.
PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK!
TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF.
Lets see here:
1. Hamadda a 17 year old HS student who comes from a good family gets convinced that he can live as a martyr and enjoy eternal life in heaven with 72 virgins. He straps 5 pounds of C4, lines his pockets with carpenters nails, and heads to market. He comes to a cafe were people are enjoying a local beverage of their choice. He looks around and right next door woman and kids shop for tonites meals. He pushes a button or flips a switch in the middle of all of this activity and now the biggest peice of him fits nicely in a sandwich bag.
or
2. IDF intell forces here from informants that a man who never leaves his house or is outside for too long will be at a certain place at a certain time. He is responsible for sending young men and young woman to kill as many isralies as possible. Woman Children soldiers they are all jews and need to die to him. They order helicopters to take him out and to minimize collateral damage.
You seeing NO difference between the two is like giving the green light to any military/paramilitary/terrorist group the green like to inflict as much civilian casualties as possible just to prove a point. I suppose OBL is just another "freedom fighter" huh?