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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wilfrid on April 18, 2004, 07:59:19 AM
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Weird story (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/dailycourier/news/s_189477.html)
"They were terrible, terrible," Andrea said. "He would scream, 'airplane crash, on fire, little man can't get out!' He'd be kicking, with his hands pointing up at the ceiling."
When James was 2 1/2 years old, he and Andrea were shopping and he wanted a toy airplane. "I said to him, 'Look, it has a bomb on the bottom' and he told me, 'That's not a bomb, it's a drop tank.' I had no idea what a drop tank was."
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Interesting..
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114291 :)
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If this story is true, why would the boy "roll his eyes" when asked by his mother who shot him down? The Japanese:rolleyes:
He would have called them Japs, if it was a recollection, especially from a fighter pilot, he woulda wanted to kill them with a vengence and hated their guts.
Sorry, I don't buy this story. A two and a half year old toddler would not be PC and using PC terms. He would tell it like it is.
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
If this story is true, why would the boy "roll his eyes" when asked by his mother who shot him down? The Japanese:rolleyes:
He would have called them Japs, if it was a recollection, especially from a fighter pilot, he woulda wanted to kill them with a vengence and hated their guts.
Sorry, I don't buy this story. A two and a half year old toddler would not be PC and using PC terms. He would tell it like it is.
Les
So you are 100% convinced that every navy pilot would always call them Japs?
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Robert Conrad as Pappy called them 'riceballs'.... but that was the Marines.
And the kid is a liar, as I am Lt. James McCready Huston. At least I was, and I was him first.
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No I'm not Grun. I'm basing my reply on something I saw on the History Channel, "Jugs over Europe." Or something like that. One of the P-47 pilots said that after a while, it was a matter of killing, and hate was part of it. He said, you had to hate the enemy, or he would kill you instead. Just makes sense in a situation where you're flying planes and trying to kill other human beings by straffing and killing everything in sight.
I don't know anything about it. I was using deductive reasoning based on what the Jug pilot said on the TV. My point dealt with being skepticlal about re-incarnation and don't believe there is much to this story. That's all I was talking about.
Les
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Some great counterpoints being presented here...
How did the kid know about the Natoma?
"He is a liar"
What about the correct sequence of events leadning to the crash?
"He said Japanese not Japs"
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maybe the kid said "fing slanty eyed basturds" but the parents edited it to "Japanese" for the news :)
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Originally posted by Leslie
If this story is true, why would the boy "roll his eyes" when asked by his mother who shot him down? The Japanese:rolleyes:
He would have called them Japs, if it was a recollection, especially from a fighter pilot, he woulda wanted to kill them with a vengence and hated their guts.
Sorry, I don't buy this story. A two and a half year old toddler would not be PC and using PC terms. He would tell it like it is.
Les
Perhaps the kid (if it's true) is only using PC terms, because that is the way the kid interprets and translates this "other life" in a familiar way/language....
Anyhow, I think if this is the only way to debase these claims is by the PC language argument...then you're really reaching
Tronsky
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Maybe the kid is possessed by a spirit rather than reincarnated.
I thought I'd throw that out there since people who believe in something like reincarnation should be able to have an open enough mind to be able to believe in spirits and possession too.
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Well, one thing is for sure...James Huston sure wasn't flying Corsairs off of an escort CV. It would have had to have been an FM-2.
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strange..sure is strange...
there are obvious possiblities that people could be making this up for attention etc. etc., but...Its odd.
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You've stumped the professor Nuke.
Les
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Besides the fact that I was Lt. James McCready Huston, in some of my past life regression sessions, I remote viewed little James and found out that he was a logistics clerk at Ft Dix from '44 to '47.
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Don't believe everything you hear on the history channel. I remember watching a P-38 documentary and it listed in the description that it was a "Twin engined jet that helped win the war for the allies"
That, and a number of other things that make me roll my eyes and yell at the tv that they didn't get right, but could have been cured with a little bit of research.
Interestingly enough, my mother is really into this and she goes to see psychics and the like for information on her past lives, and she brought home the news that at one time I was a knight. With shining armor and the like, good thought but I call the psychics she sees as quacks. But..maybe that explains my deep loyalty to the chess piece that I play for on this game.
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Corsairs can't fly off an escort carrier? What about the Sicily?
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that's intersting to say the least. I know from my kids they really do and say the darndest things. I was listening to a child psycologist on talk radio and he talked about somthing called "night terrors" what he described was too the T what my daughter was going through. She wasnt sleeping but she wasnt awake and just screaming nonsense.
This DOC told a story about a little boy who started screaming "the wall is falling....the wall is falling" a week later the kid got out of bed and crawled in with his parents. That night there was an earthquake or somthing and the wall right next to his bed crumbled.
I've also heard storys that kids can see ghosts and spirits. I've definatly heard my daughter having an entire conversation in here room. It sounded like she WAS talking to somone but I just striked that up to imagination.
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
I've also heard storys that kids can see ghosts and spirits. I've definatly heard my daughter having an entire conversation in here room. It sounded like she WAS talking to somone but I just striked that up to imagination.
does her head ever spin around? :)
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Originally posted by NUKE
does her head ever spin around? :)
that aint funny...but no;)
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There is no such thing as a ghost. That is superstition and not real. It's the idea of unfinished business that worries folks.
The Japanese have a saying, "The mind is the same in heaven as it is on earth." I believe the transition between life and death is not noticible to someone who dies. They feel no pain or horror, or remorse for leaving this world. There is much to do after physical death serving God. To me, heaven would be being 17 again. I don't think I'd change anything I've done in my life. I'd do it again exactly the same way, only I wouldn't be an artist. Not having an earning income for 26 years is rough and downright emasculating.
LOL...gotta earn something or I might be a ghost.:D
Les
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most young children are closer to the Divine as they haven't been around long enough to become selfish turds like the rest of us
they see life through "eyes of wonder"
as they age, this wears off and "reality" sets in
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Turds and the devil are never far apart from each other.
:)
Les
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When I was in the 3rd grade I used to draw airplanes with bent wings attacking aircraft carriers all the time. I wouldn't draw anything else and my dad would criticize me cause I drew war pictures and asked me why I didn't draw animals or something else. I think I may have saw a war movie or something and it set into my thinking. Not a clue.
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Originally posted by Eagler
most young children are closer to the Divine as they haven't been around long enough to become selfish turds like the rest of us
they see life through "eyes of wonder"
as they age, this wears off and "reality" sets in
It actually says in the bible that all the children of the world will be taken during the rapture for the exact same reason as you described. This book I read about the rapture (left behind) actually talks about a woman giving birth to nothing because her baby was raptured as it was being born.
I used to hang out with this woman who said either her murdered mother or psyco brother was haunting her so to speak. I never thaught much of till one day we were talking about it and all the dishes in the sink fell and broke. Freaked me out. Her son who was 2 at the time would have alot of conversations ALONE. My daughter didnt start developing her imagination till about 3 and a half so that allways freaked me out as well.
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Originally posted by Leslie
There is no such thing as a ghost. That is superstition and not real. It's the idea of unfinished business that worries folks.
The Japanese have a saying, "The mind is the same in heaven as it is on earth." I believe the transition between life and death is not noticible to someone who dies. They feel no pain or horror, or remorse for leaving this world. There is much to do after physical death serving God. To me, heaven would be being 17 again. I don't think I'd change anything I've done in my life. I'd do it again exactly the same way, only I wouldn't be an artist. Not having an earning income for 26 years is rough and downright emasculating.
LOL...gotta earn something or I might be a ghost.:D
Les
you're the first person I've ever heard review their life and say "I wish I'd have made more money".
not a judgment, just an observation
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Gshotz...who is the person whose picture you posted?
Don't recognise him.
Ravs
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I think it's the priest in "Exorcist"
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Ahh... makes sense now!
Ravs
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What a crock. I bet he hunted the Bigfoot too.
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Don't know.
This regressive hypnosis thing about people having previous lives has a lot of evidence to support it.
But then, I'm a hindu ;)
Ravs
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lol! Me too.
There was one scene with two dogs fighting outside a pyramid. Don't know why, but it just scared the crap out of me.
If you havn't seen it, watch 'The Devil's Backbone' (Spanish film), that and 'Sixth Sense' were the two most recent horros which made things go up my spine.
Ravs
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Originally posted by GScholz
Yes, and in Northern Iraq of all places. Haven't seen the Spanish movie, but the 6th Sense got to me big time. The mother slowly poisoning her daughter to a slow agonizing death ... I'm never seeing that movie again. Nor am I seeing The Ring ever again. I can only take so much cruelty.
WOW this is the second thing we agree on. I HATE THE RING! any movie involving scary kids (IE the ring, villiage of the damed) just freaks me out.
Me and my wife watched the ring. Right after it was over with the DVD preview screen was on and THERE WAS A REAL FLY ON MY TV JUST LIKE THE MOVIE. I went up to make sure it was real and the friggin phone wrang. I nearly lost it.
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Originally posted by texace
Corsairs can't fly off an escort carrier? What about the Sicily?
Didn't say they couldn't, but I thought the only jeep that launched squadron of Corsairs into battle during WWII was the USS Gilbert Islands at Okinawa. Weren't the early CVE fighter complements of FM2s?
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Wow. That story was incredible. I don't know how anyone cannot believe that it's not true. What with all that description going on. Jeezus, obviously it's true, reincarnation and the whole bit. Man, even if I doubted it it has to be true because its on the intardnet.
Get a grip, yahoos.
If you really believe that tripe then I have a boat load of 'little timmy died but before he died he wanted his mother to know how much he loved her before he died and somehow, very strangely he know he was going to die' stories that I get emailed to me from other weak minded people such as yourselves that you might also believe in.
Shesh.
Boooooo....did I scare you?
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Why when they hypnotise them and they descibe their past lives on those wacky shows, they was all Cleopatra? Occasionally Joan of Arc. Never I was dumb peasant #231345 that got stepped on by a horse.
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In my past life I was a peasant that shoveled horse manure and picked weeds out of a field. I died of the flu.
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Grandad!!!!
Ravs
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Originally posted by crowMAW
Well, one thing is for sure...James Huston sure wasn't flying Corsairs off of an escort CV. It would have had to have been an FM-2.
Crow, just looked up a picture of the USS Natoma Bay, and she's underway... with F4U's onboard.
Address is http://www.bosamar.com/ap16.html.
Freaky story though, a lot of coincidences. At first I thought Crow had the best argument.. but I read a couple stories about this and here is my question.
The first story seems to imply that Lt. James Huston was actually shot down by an enemy plane.
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"I was reading him a story and he got a faraway look," she recalled. "I asked what happened to your plane? 'Got shot,' he said. Where? 'Engine.' Where did it crash? 'Water.' When I asked him who shot the plane, he gave me a look like a teenager, rolling his eyes, 'the Japanese,' like who else could it have been?
"What little kid knows about the Japanese," she asked. "He said he knew it was a Japanese plane because of the red sun. My husband and I were shell-shocked."
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However, there is an eye-witness account in a different story, http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/us/reincarnation_040415.html says the following
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Bruce says James also told him his plane had sustained a direct hit on the engine.
Ralph Clarbour, a rear gunner on a U.S. airplane that flew off the Natoma Bay, says his plane was right next to one flown by James M. Huston Jr. during a raid near Iwo Jima on March 3, 1945.
Clarbour said he saw Huston's plane struck by anti-aircraft fire. "I would say he was hit head on, right in the middle of the engine," he said.
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No mention of any enemy planes there, and to be honest I doubt the guy even saw any enemy planes. So... was it AAA or an enemy plane?
It is a cool story though.
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This is all very interesting. I have heard stories like this before. Usually very young kids. Sometimes very spooky stories. Perhaps it's a hoax but why pick on an obscure pilot on an obscure carrier?
But if you were to accept that it's possible. Then perhaps some of us here are former pilots reliving our past lives LOL. Given our umitigated enthusiasm for old warbirds. :) I imagine young James will try to become a US Navy aviator when the time comes. Oddly enough I have a particular fascination with the Corsair and the Pacific Air War. But I am definitely not alone with that.
I remember once being at an old RAF base, West Malling in Kent. I just couldn't shake of the feeling of having been there before. It all seemed so familiar particularly from out on the field. I get to a lot of other airfields and only felt that at one other also military and old.
In any case not everything is explainable in rational terms. I know that from my own experience. But I think there might be a rational explanation which one day in the future might be discovered. Let's face it radio and TV while detectable with the right equipment is impossible and almost inconceivable otherwise.
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I bet you guys believe John Edward really talks to your dead grandma too.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Address is http://www.bosamar.com/ap16.html.
Sorry, don't see any corsairs in this pic, but I see some apparent F6's
although I am almost positive that F4u's served on Escort cv's at the end of the war.
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Corsairs had enough trouble trying to operate from full sized carriers. I don't think anyone would let a squadron of them fly from escort carriers.
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Yea, looks like you are right. According to some other website I found, the Natoma carried FM-2s. She did ferry some P-47s somewhere though, bet that was a fun take-off.
Maybe the news guy got it scrambled... if the kid was supposed to be a reincarnated pilot I don't see how he could not remember what plane he flew.
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Corsairs could and did fly off escort CVs. VMF-323 served off the Sicily at the end of the war. Whole squadron of them. Yes, it was hard to get them off the deck, but they did. :P
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I know that VMF-323 was on USS Sicily in the Korean War (quick check of Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships shows that Sicily was not commissioned until after WWII was over). But I think in WWII jeep CVs only carried the Death Rattlers to forward positions where they transferred to land bases for combat ops (Kadena Field and then Awase Field till the end of the war). I'm pretty sure the only CVE to launch combat Corsairs in WWII was USS Gilbert Islands.
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What struck me immediately is that at that age, I had no concept of an afterlife, let alone death. And certainly no concept or desire to create an elaborate hoax based on concepts I knew nothing about. It was mostly about "feed me", "I want to play" and "oops I just crapped myself".
But then, kids seem to grow up so damned fast these days...
If this is fake, then I suspect the parents and psychologists. But if they're for real, then it's a bit hard to believe there's not something legit about the kid.
It's like UFO's.... I just don't get how people can automatically rule it out with so much conviction. I don't buy it either. I also don't rule it out.
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The kid could be possessed by a demon too. I say this half jokingly because it's humorous to me that some people tend to believe many far fetched things, yet reject out of hand the possibility of a God, deomons and spirits.
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Originally posted by Urchin No mention of any enemy planes there, and to be honest I doubt the guy even saw any enemy planes. So... was it AAA or an enemy plane?
Those bastards will do anything to screw with your insurance rates!
-SW
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Do a search on Fleet Air Arm and Corsair operations, I'm pretty sure they only had escort carriers to work with. In fact til the pom's proved it could be done the US refused to fly hawks off cv's.