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Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Gixer on April 18, 2004, 03:01:42 PM
I was amazed at this figure in the news regarding private security personal working in Iraq. Simply because they now make up the second biggest military force in Iraq. With the Coalition Of The Unwilling now coming in third.



...-Gixer
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 18, 2004, 03:04:40 PM
Good to see the market responding to the problems over there.
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Gixer on April 18, 2004, 03:09:43 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Good to see the market responding to the problems over there.



Supply and Demand economics 101? Good point... LOL

But not the kind of demand that was hoped for 1 year out.



...-Gixer
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Dinger on April 18, 2004, 03:45:01 PM
yeah, and who's the biggest employer of private security over there?
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Gnslngr on April 18, 2004, 03:58:07 PM
this is proof of total shift in military thinking...for exampl:

Even stateside you will see that most "chow halls" are almost entirly manned by civilans.  Civs are cheaper to hire/fire/train than active duty personell.  If a service can Hire contractors to serve the food, the GIs that used to do it can be freed up to do other things IE there numbers shifted to other jobs.

even the US military hires private security contractors.  That way they arent tieing up ground troops, that can be used elsewere, to sit and watch crews dig a trench ect.

the basic thinking is if you dont shoot move communicate or help put bombs on target your job can be done by a contractor for cheaper and makes more GIs available to do the previous.

its all a big numbers game
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Sixpence on April 18, 2004, 05:43:49 PM
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
this is proof of total shift in military thinking...for exampl:

Even stateside you will see that most "chow halls" are almost entirly manned by civilans.  Civs are cheaper to hire/fire/train than active duty personell.  If a service can Hire contractors to serve the food, the GIs that used to do it can be freed up to do other things IE there numbers shifted to other jobs.

even the US military hires private security contractors.  That way they arent tieing up ground troops, that can be used elsewere, to sit and watch crews dig a trench ect.

the basic thinking is if you dont shoot move communicate or help put bombs on target your job can be done by a contractor for cheaper and makes more GIs available to do the previous.

its all a big numbers game


From what I read it is alot more expensive to hire mercenaries, the good thing about them is they are not accountable for them, they are disposables. They can wash their hands from them any time. I wish I could find that article.
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: ravells on April 18, 2004, 05:48:16 PM
This is so.... cyberpunk.

William Gibson is a visionary!

Ravs
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Montezuma on April 18, 2004, 06:36:23 PM
The American public doesn't know how many are there, how many of them have been killed, or what they're doing.  But we're paying for it.
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Pei on April 18, 2004, 09:15:59 PM
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Originally posted by Montezuma
The American public doesn't know how many are there, how many of them have been killed, or what they're doing.  But we're paying for it.


Even more importantly a significant number of them are not US citizens.
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Sandman on April 18, 2004, 09:54:36 PM
Mercenaries never went out of fashion.


This just in...
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Gixer on April 19, 2004, 03:09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
this is proof of total shift in military thinking...for exampl:

Even stateside you will see that most "chow halls" are almost entirly manned by civilans.  Civs are cheaper to hire/fire/train than active duty personell.  If a service can Hire contractors to serve the food, the GIs that used to do it can be freed up to do other things IE there numbers shifted to other jobs.

even the US military hires private security contractors.  That way they arent tieing up ground troops, that can be used elsewere, to sit and watch crews dig a trench ect.

the basic thinking is if you dont shoot move communicate or help put bombs on target your job can be done by a contractor for cheaper and makes more GIs available to do the previous.

its all a big numbers game



And best of all by far for the governments any casualties don't go towards any KIA records.


...-Gixer
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Sixpence on April 19, 2004, 06:49:43 AM
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Originally posted by Sandman
Mercenaries never went out of fashion.

This just in...


Yeah, except now they are known as "security guards" and "freedom fighters".

If someone else had more money they would be shooting at us.
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Nilsen on April 19, 2004, 06:52:47 AM
....and would prolly be called terrorists :lol
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 19, 2004, 07:53:03 AM
Plenty of job opportunities in Iraq right now - most of them with construction companies.

If you can handle the risk, you can make alot of money buildings hospitals, schools, homes, etc.

I saw one company last week was paying plain Jane laborers 5 figures a month to fly over and work.
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Sixpence on April 19, 2004, 07:55:27 AM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I saw one company last week was paying plain Jane laborers 5 figures a month to fly over and work.


You mean 6 figures?
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 19, 2004, 07:56:39 AM
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Originally posted by Sixpence
You mean 6 figures?


No, 5.  The ad I saw was offering $25,000 a month for construction.

You see one for 6, let me know so I can book a flight.
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Sixpence on April 19, 2004, 08:19:54 AM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
No, 5.  The ad I saw was offering $25,000 a month for construction.

You see one for 6, let me know so I can book a flight.


12x25k= 6 figures   sorry, didn't see per month
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Nilsen on April 19, 2004, 08:21:34 AM
if you are "lucky" enough to last 12 months
Title: Over 20,000 Private Security Iraq
Post by: Sixpence on April 19, 2004, 08:37:07 AM
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18193