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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on April 20, 2004, 12:58:25 PM
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Well, I've finally decided...
My next Europeam vacation will be to Germany.
Good lord, that is a beautiful country!!!
I want to visit Normandy, but I'm still avoiding all things French.
Still, can anyone recommend a resource that will give me a historic tour of WWII Germany?
I'd especially like to see the Eagle's Nest, so I'll spend some time in Austria as well.
I could not believe how beautiful that country looked!
Yes, Band of Brother's episode last night convinced me this is a country I simply must see.
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If u avoid french things could u please avoid German things too and visit another country?
What about Poland or Spain (ups i guess u'll avoid Spain too)?
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Iraq has some very nice babylonian palaces.
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"Look kids.....Big Ben! Parliament!"
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Originally posted by Duedel
If u avoid french things could u please avoid German things too and visit another country?
Nope. See you this fall.
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I would piss on french soil if I ever were unfortunate enough to go there. German soil would fare better but not by much. I would spit on it.
Go to the Islands of the south pacific. There you will find it.
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*sigh*
get over it and move on....
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Originally posted by Yeager
I would piss on french soil if I ever were unfortunate enough to go there. German soil would fare better but not by much. I would spit on it.
Go to the Islands of the south pacific. There you will find it.
Uhm ... you are soooooo very very evil. Evil Yeager. Very evil Yeager cant hold his peepee, evil.
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yeah all spit on ur roots (europe)
bwah!!
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Originally posted by Yeager
I would piss on french soil if I ever were unfortunate enough to go there. German soil would fare better but not by much. I would spit on it.
Go to the Islands of the south pacific. There you will find it.
Hawaii would be great, but it's too long of a flight.
And when traveling with family, it's necessary to find a place that offers something for everyone.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
yeah all spit on ur roots (europe)
bwah!!
My roots trace back to Brooklyn, for God's sake.
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Nooo! not Germany! your family will hate you like forever...
Go to Italy, Spain, Portugal!
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Originally posted by Nilsen
*sigh*
get over it and move on....
no need to be pissed ,it's just biology it happen I'll too from time piss on French soil ,it happened I pissed on German soil too (I even vomit but it was during oktoberfest so I guess it can be forgiven :))
I'll equally piss on England , Italy ,USA,Spain soil.
concerning spiting do you know Yeager that chewing tobacco can make you look like those guys (http://www.nospit.com/Boys.html) ?
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yuck straffo..:eek:
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I recommend Garmish-Partenkirchen.
(http://ww1.tiki.ne.jp/~wanta/garmisch.jpg)
(http://sven.rieling.bei.t-online.de/Fotoalbum/Garmisch.jpg)
This little town is right under the Zugspitze mountain.
(http://ipa-reutte.com/fotos/berge/zugspitze.jpg)
Not too far from Berchtesgarden
(http://community.webshots.com/s/image3/9/10/24/4791024fpcAVQkYVz_ph.jpg)
Not too far from Castle Neuschwanstein:
(http://www.neuschwanstein-castle.com/pictures/074-schwangau-nss-600_01.jpg)
My grandmom lives in Garmisch... one of the most beautiful places on this planet if you ask me.
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wow Hortlund...i actually agree with you :D
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Though it would be nice to see some of EU there is so much here (USA) to see I don't know if one would be able to see it all.
I personaly don't fly commercial so the only way I would be able to see all that would be by boat.
I think I could spend a number of summers just trying to see all of Texas :)
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make sure u watch Europeeean Vacation a few times before you go..makes you laff at the euros even more:)
RRuuusssttyyyy..
And ..Fine French Culture..
btw just make a day trip to Normandy..bring your own food...then run the hell out of there...
Btw make sure you let them know you think there gov is crap
but i like straffo
and btw ..btw...
St Johns is the best..Virgin Islands boy..VI!!!!!
and Muck..i think you will like Euro more then your family...all that frikn WW2 history is kik assssssssssss
"As muck tours the Sub-pens..his wife is bitter.."
Love
BiGB
xoxo
PS..I belong to Sharkhunters..they do yearly trips all over Germany-Euro..(good info)
http://www.sharkhunters.com
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my BGB what kind of found did they gave to you ??
I'm the first to recognise that Normandy is not the best gastonomic place in France (Hey I'm living here you know ;)) but it should be possible to survive
Theres is much places were you can distend your belly with fine food like Périgord (ask Beetle I think he got his belly in Bergerac :D)
There is so much recipes in the different regions of France I'll spend my life cooking local recipes ...
Actually Muck except if you are stuck to Germany for political reasons (wich I can't understand ... landscapes and monuments don't do politic you know) there is a lot of places I consider worth the visit.
But it depend of what you are searching: history ,monument ,food,culture etc ...
If ever you want to come to Normandy shot me a mail or make a post here (but avoid at all cost June ,prices will be very excessive IMO)
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Lots of right wing Germans in bavaria. Plus its one of the most beautifull areas of Europe. The alps and such.
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I really should go to Normandy and pay my respects.
It's all these terrible things people who have visited France tell me, though they say it's mostly in Urban areas where people are extremely rude to Americans....at least that's the rumor.
Many folks I know who have been to France say the smaller towns residents are very warm and inviting to Americans.
I just get the feeling I would not be too popular in your country these days.
I guess it's just my skewed perception.
Maybe your right, we should let bygones be by gones.
It's pretty immature to hold a grudge against an entire country, isn't it?
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Originally posted by straffo
my BGB what kind of found did they gave to you ??
I'm the first to recognise that Normandy is not the best gastonomic place in France (Hey I'm living here you know ;)) but it should be possible to survive
Theres is much places were you can distend your belly with fine food like Périgord (ask Beetle I think he got his belly in Bergerac :D)
There is so much recipes in the different regions of France I'll spend my life cooking local recipes ...
Actually Muck except if you are stuck to Germany for political reasons (wich I can't understand ... landscapes and monuments don't do politic you know) there is a lot of places I consider worth the visit.
But it depend of what you are searching: history ,monument ,food,culture etc ...
If ever you want to come to Normandy shot me a mail or make a post here (but avoid at all cost June ,prices will be very excessive IMO)
I had a wonderfull time in Nice last year. Great food.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I really should go to Normandy and pay my respects.
It's all these terrible things people who have visited France tell me, though they say it's mostly in Urban areas where people are extremely rude to Americans....at least that's the rumor.
Many folks I know who have been to France say the smaller towns residents are very warm and inviting to Americans.
I just get the feeling I would not be too popular in your country these days.
I guess it's just my skewed perception.
Maybe your right, we should let bygones be by gones.
It's pretty immature to hold a grudge against an entire country, isn't it?
I traveled through parts of france last year. They were anything but rude, and they knew i was american. Hell, at alot of places near normady they gave me free rides and food. The parisians are kinda rude, no more then new yorkers, but that is the same in all citys. People just do not have the time to put up with a tourist spending 50min to order a coffee.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Hawaii would be great, but it's too long of a flight.
And when traveling with family, it's necessary to find a place that offers something for everyone.
San Diego?
lots of theme parks beaches.. shopping stuff... we had a familiy vacation there last year.
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Hawaii is only a 5 hour flight from LA.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
It's pretty immature to hold a grudge against an entire country, isn't it?
Respect, respect! Well said mate!
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I really should go to Normandy and pay my respects.
I can be you guide for some places ,I've been countless of time at colleville.
It's all these terrible things people who have visited France tell me, though they say it's mostly in Urban areas where people are extremely rude to Americans....at least that's the rumor.
Not only the Armerican you can't imagine how much I dispise the Parisian ...
It's often the case in the dehumanised big town were all people are in a hurry without real reason ...
Many folks I know who have been to France say the smaller towns residents are very warm and inviting to Americans.
quite true.
I just get the feeling I would not be too popular in your country these days.
seriously ????
I think you are mistaken , there will be certainly cultral clashes during your visit. We as European or former European in you case (wild guess) have lot in common but also lot of differences (we used to start a war to each other quite often in a not so old past :))
I'll even open some beer with you without remorse
Don't forget that here it's the O'club were all passions are exacerbed and don't forget that if we choose a combat sim and not the sims it certainly because we still have some agressivity (I won't subscribe to sheep herder online or fishing strut online for example :p)
I guess it's just my skewed perception.
Maybe your right, we should let bygones be by gones.
It's pretty immature to hold a grudge against an entire country, isn't it?
Well I'm not either the best example of maturity myself even having 2 childs and being 34 :D
Before coming to France or any place try to document yourself about the locals I know some book you can find in a library that explain some cultural differences there is between an American and a French : "French or Foe?" , "Savoir Flaire" ,"Sixty Million Frenchmen Can’t Be Wrong"
I don't have read the book myself I've just read the reviews but it will help you to have a pleasant trip.
You call also contact Toad or Beetle who have been several time here and are certainly less biased than I will.
Au fait I hope to be at the con next year even having some disagreement with some people here I'll love having some beer with them (I won't list them it'll be too long)
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Hortlund your pics show some very nice places for paragliding :aok
muckmaw i hope you enjoy the Holidays in Germany!
the people here love visitors from the US, and the politics
nobody cares ;) your very welcome!
btw. i will visit the states this year, never been there before,
will go to Buffalo!
R
Gh0stFT
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I really should go to Normandy and pay my respects.
It's all these terrible things people who have visited France tell me, though they say it's mostly in Urban areas where people are extremely rude to Americans....at least that's the rumor.
Many folks I know who have been to France say the smaller towns residents are very warm and inviting to Americans.
I just get the feeling I would not be too popular in your country these days.
I guess it's just my skewed perception.
Maybe your right, we should let bygones be by gones.
It's pretty immature to hold a grudge against an entire country, isn't it?
Very good post; and I share similar feelings. I've unsubscribed from most of my newsgroups recently and come this ---><---- close to unsubscribing from AH over all the transatlantic pissing going on over the last few months; but you're right, it's a short sighted view.
For what it's worth; should you go; you'll have no problems in France (though there's A-holes every where, of course), but why make a choice? France and Germany share the same common currency these days; and you'll cross the border without even noticing it (no guards these days). What I mean is: the big choices are A) Do you cross the Atlantic; and B) how long for. Once you land over here; it's very easy to be flexible and change itineries. Although Euro land is made up of very seperate and distinct countries; moving from one to the other is about as hard as moving from one US state to another. You should have no probs landing in Berlin and taking off from Paris......
Have fun.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Well, I've finally decided...
My next Europeam vacation will be to Germany.
Good lord, that is a beautiful country!!!
I want to visit Normandy, but I'm still avoiding all things French.
Still, can anyone recommend a resource that will give me a historic tour of WWII Germany?
I'd especially like to see the Eagle's Nest, so I'll spend some time in Austria as well.
I could not believe how beautiful that country looked!
Yes, Band of Brother's episode last night convinced me this is a country I simply must see.
Was there on biz about a month ago, drove to a meeting along the Rhine and went through Remagen - the eastern side of the bridge is still standing - felt kind of weird to walk around, looks exactly as it did in the film.
Food and the beer was awesome, enjoy yourself.
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Get a eurorail pass. Great value. Dont have to drive, and the trains over there are first class. (spring for first class btw, it isnt that much more).
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Yes, Band of Brother's episode last night convinced me this is a country I simply must see.
Then you need to visit the delights of historic Hatfield, Hertfordshire, UK because thats where most of it was filmed. Ditto Saving Private Ryan.
Actually, on second thoughts, stick with the real thing. ;) Have fun.
Gatso
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http://www.andechs.de
Gorgeous country and beer to write home about.
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I would suggest to visit Bremen and Hamburg also. Both towns are only 100km away from eachother and offer many many beautifull and interesting things p.e. the Space Center in Bremen or the Hamburg harbor!!!
Bremen:
(http://www.bremen.de/bilder/rathaus2.jpg)
Take a look at these pages:
http://www.bremen-tourism.de (http://www.bremen-tourism.de)
Hamburg:
(http://www.hamburg.de/image_teaser/0,3103,421800,00.gif)
http://www.hamburg-tourism.de (http://www.hamburg-tourism.de)
I would suggest 2 extremly important places:
Bremen: the biggest U-Boot Bunker of the world. Its name is Valentin
482m length, 98m width, 30m height; built by 35.000 KZ detainees where many lost their lives. To stay in front of this huge sarcophagus gives u a deap impression of the oppressive sickness of WWII.
(http://www.vegesack.de:8080/kunden/kono/luftbilder/mp_entries/getEntryFieldbyPath/1078675818.38/f1000968649/Farge-Bunker-Valentin-80-er.jpg)
(http://www.knobore.de/db_IMG_02453.jpg)
Hamburg: KZ Neuengamme. Do u and ur family a favour and visit a KZ. Its the best way to prevent ur kids from facism. its really really hard but i recommend it over Neuschwanstein or other tourist centers.
http://fhh1.hamburg.de/Neuengamme/welcome.en.html (http://fhh1.hamburg.de/Neuengamme/welcome.en.html)
(http://fhh1.hamburg.de/Neuengamme/Bilder/gelaende.jpg)
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Muckmaw when I read your first posts I was going to say something pretty rude. Then reason seemd to come from all sides and it was a surprising but most welcome change.
If you want to spend a day or two in Belgium (we share borders with Germany and France), contact me. Best places to visit are Bruges, the old Brussels, maybe the Waterloo lion and of course Bastogne for WWII nerds.
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Originally posted by gatso
Then you need to visit the delights of historic Hatfield, Hertfordshire, UK because thats where most of it was filmed. Ditto Saving Private Ryan.
Actually, on second thoughts, stick with the real thing. ;) Have fun.
Gatso
lol I work near Hatfield, never knew that - St Alban's is pretty nice though.
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Originally posted by straffo
Theres is much places were you can distend your belly with fine food like Périgord (ask Beetle I think he got his belly in Bergerac :D)
ROFL Frédéric! :lol Actually, I was beginning to lose weight there. I'm like Stabby and love the Provence diet. The Périgord diet was not to my taste - duck paté, gizzards/geziers, force fed fowl and foie gras de l'oie <-- very difficult for English person to pronounce. And in a market in a town called Sarlat I saw tins of duck. The duck was canned in a disgusting mass of white fat. (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/puke.gif)
Hehe, I DID make my escape to Bergérac one day - about 100km west of Castelnaud where I was staying. There, I found an Italian restaurant and had pasta.
Give me filet de loup and harricots verts (spelling?) preceded by a mixed salad, accompanied with a St. Emilion and followed by a tarte au poire, assiette de fromage, espresso, and Armagnac!
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Ya i would never return to Paris. I would like to visit the North of France. I have nothing but good things to say about the cote d'azur. Had a blast there people were geniunely friendly and the food was phenomenal. But I won't return to France until there is a fundamental change in the government and it's policies towards the United States.
Do you like to ski? there is great skiing in Argentina in August most years. There are two places which we have been. Bariloche and Las lenas. either will do nicely.
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SPR/BoB was largley filmed on the site of the old British Aerospace facility at Hatfield as pointed out above. The site also was the location for De Havilland factory that produced the Mosquito during WW2. Until last November, I worked in an office building overlooking the site and saw quite a lot of the filming activity for both features, albeit from a distance.
Hatfield itself has little to recommend to vistitors. You're much better off going to Germany, the beers is cheaper and generally better for a start. You're depriving yourself of a great experience by avoiding France however.
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Straffo-
I may take you up on that tour of Normandy, and then dinner is on me...whatever restaurant you recommend.
Thanks for all the input and the invitations.
I'm convinced I'll have to visit both France and Germany,
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ok so :)
Wine on me (sorry can't trust an American for that important thing :D)
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oops.
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Muck, when are you planning to go? We're considering a 2005 trip to Germany.
However, I've had opportunities to go to France, and turned them down because of family obligations. I would consider a trip for a day down to France (if its relatively close enough) to visit with Straffo.
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Looks like it's going to be 2005 here also.
I'll know more in the summer.
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straffo - why don't we have a Euro microcon in France? We could get people over from the UK, have the Germans come over, get Daniel to come up from Spain, get a few cases of 1664...
My next trip to France starts later this month on the 30th (holiday weekend in the UK) and we are going to La Rochelle. Hope also to get across to l'isle de jeu.
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Hey Muck dude, come over. I 'll take ya up to the Hürtengenwald.
Check out Belgium too. The "Bulge", Bastogne, great stuff.
Luxemburg, the great US cemetary.
The Siegfried line......whats left of it, the germans are cleaning it up. To bad really. Look me up.
Read "a Time for Trumpets" by Macdonald, I use it for ref. also
"The Battle of the Huertenwald" by .........eer I forget. another great ref.
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Originally posted by beet1e
straffo - why don't we have a Euro microcon in France? We could get people over from the UK, have the Germans come over, get Daniel to come up from Spain, get a few cases of 1664...
My next trip to France starts later this month on the 30th (holiday weekend in the UK) and we are going to La Rochelle. Hope also to get across to l'isle de jeu.
Sorry for the extremly late answer Beetle I bookmarked the post and put it in the "to be answered" categorie :D
It would be fine to make a con in France as it will probably drain people from North and South of Europe but I don't think I'll be able to handle the workload and I don't think I'll have the motivation too ...
"isle de jeu" don't you mean l'île d'Yeu ?
btw your spelling in not that bad I thinlk it was spelled this way in the XVth century :p
Check also Belle-Ile en Mer