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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bikekil on April 20, 2004, 01:46:23 PM
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As i should mention in me post in the other thread, it's nothing personal against ANY nation as a people who living there. As in every country, here and there are idionts and the good guys. Also there is nothing wrong with individual judgements whatever they are.
When i say "Spain - country of cowards" i mean that latest political actions of Spain are cowardly, but i don't want to say (as i don't see things that way) the whole population of the country are cowards. This applies to France and Germany also :) I'm sorry if you got me the other way and i appologise for that.
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Terrorosts - the deal is simple. There is no room for being "soft" in this case. If we agree that we can't allow them to operate (wordwide... aka in any country) the only question will be, how to acheve this. In other words - if you (as myself) think that terrorists should be elminated, the only difference that can be possible should be the way we go.
I hope you are with me here = you want to elminate terrorists (yes. i do realise that as a person i can't do nothing about them.)
So if you are with me till now, next question is, how to elminate them. I say they should be prisoned or killed if impossible to catch them alive. They have no respect to the right to live, i have no respoect for them following this - i see it hard to catch or kill them without sending troops or any other "forces". I know, that Spanish guys were there to protect not to hunt, but then, i doubt they did a right thing while decided about running away.
It's impossible for me to accept, that after what happened in Madrit, they decided to hide (aka move the troops out). Of course that's theyr right, but i have my right to call them cowards.
Same applies to every country that decides to screw the allies and deal with the terrorists that way. That's also brown nosing to the terrorists or whatever you like to call it.
You are right - terrorists hadn't striked Poland (yet... and i hope they never will). But believe me, if after something like this we would decide to send our guys home, i would call Poland the same way i'm talking about Spain now.
Now we could discuss how cowardly was France or Germany when decided to keep theyr guys home and hadn't helped in Iraq.
I see it as a pure business. France and Germany wanted had theis business in doing that way. If the business would be better for them if they join - they would :) Nothing strange in it - that's they way it is for every country.
Anyway, maybe i could risk saying that IF France and Grmany would join the party when the party started, people in Iraq would benefit now and would have better lifes then they have now... but because of the business of some countries we have the current situation.
Also if US decided to keep their guys home we would be at some other (maybe better situation).
The question is - how the world should react after what heppened in WTC?
I say world should stop trash talking and start ACTING. that is what US did (detailes shoudl be planned better tho. especially in terms of support for civilians).
EU - the deal is simple, EU means business. It's a business for politicians, for some business groups and for some people... but no matter how nice the whole idea is - it's a business :)
If the EU countries wants Poland in, that means it's a good business for them. Do you agree? I hope you are...
If the Poland wants to be in - it's a good business for Poland.
That's not that simple, because for some people here and in EU, Poland joining EU is a risky thing also.... for some people it means that some $ from their taxes will go here. For some other guys means they will earn more = pay more taxes and also = they will hire more folks = more folks will have a job = more folks are happy... and so on.
So, to answer your question from the other thread - i have no idea who wanted Poland in EU, but believe me, it wasn't me :)
You should better ask your goverment why they wants Poland in EU and it's your right to know the answer.
Here we are asking - why EU wants us in and why we should join EU.... but i can't give you an answer... while being sure it's a good buniness for some folks here and there.
I hope you got what i meant now
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I hope Norway stays out of EU too....i think.....somthing is terribly wrong when they are so keen to get us in :o
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Well it look like we have the same disagreement I have with some other here.
It's just that I don't think we should be soft with terrorism,it should IMO be dealed with a maximum of care to avoid helping their recruitement.
I thing that a military "agitation" is a waste of ressources.
If you send troop you send also easy target (like Iraq tends to prove) and in the same time helping recruitement.
The Spanish population s/howed last year her will ,the spanish governement proceeded without caring of their opinion and in the same time they showed an incredible incompetance in protecting their own citizen from an horrible tragedie.
If you remember the truce proposed by Osame last week you should remeber also how the EU nations as whole rejected this truce.
I hope like you that Poland will never see such a catastrophe,as you know I'm very sentimental concerning my Polish root (even if I was pretty agressive in my post in the other thread , btw I apologise for my outburst.)
I disagree also with your interpretation about a business reason for the non intervention in Iraq,there is currently German and French troops in Afghanistan,our intel and police is still working on terrorism.
I do think that the US administration wasted stupidly all the capitalized sympathie they got after 9/11.
Again I don't think dealing with terrorism is killing terrorist (even if it's part of the job) the real problem is killing the source[/] of terrorism.
Where is the point in building a dam if you can't stop the source ?
About EU now.
EU is certainly business , the political and nation come after.
It's in the root of the EU lookup Shumann, Monnet, Adenauer,de Gasperry (CECA/EGKS/ECES)
Business mean also richness and as I said in the other thread look at Portugal ,Greece or Spain the outcome was not bad for them.
It will be hard ,very hard for Poland to enter EU but Poland has already made more than half the way I know the polish are hard worker (at least my grand father was :)) we will know the answer in 10 years.
In 10 year this discussion will be seen as prophetic or I'll appear dreamin ... who knows.
I know it's hard for a Pole whose nation has been often martyrized by the surrounding country and whose nation has been negated so much.
But I don't think it's the way EU should be seen,surerely there is inconvenients in EU ,surerely there is some absurdity in EU.
But by increasing the dependancy of the nation between each other ,by creating more an more link between citizen I hope it will create a better future for my childs and the next generations.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I hope Norway stays out of EU too....i think.....somthing is terribly wrong when they are so keen to get us in :o
They need mo Money. The 2 power houses are not cutting it anymore.
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I just can't see what EU can give us that we don't already have. Norway is split about 50/50 on the EU business so there has to be something the other 50% understand that i don't.....or maybe they are just retarded.
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Unfrotunately Straffo, the only successfull methodology for fighting terrorism has been shown in years previous: a combination of intelligence and violence against the terrorists.
IE - the Brits dealing with the IRA, even some of the French actions in Algiers, yada yada, don't forget Carlos either.
The models are similiar as far as the organizations and the fact that the fueding parties are significantly far away from each other. This is not intended to bring down some rediculous statement about Israel/Palestine. That situation is entirely different socially and politically........
When you say 'stop the cause of terrorism', I would either have to guess that for one reason or another you're speaking in extremely vague terms. What exactly is the 'cause' of terrorism in this case? How exactly do we stop it?
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Stay out. most Germans I talk with are not impressed with the EU.
But then again, they did get it shoved down their throat. No voting here.
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didn't Germans get to vote Monk?
I know polls shows that most Danes wants out and the Italians I know want's to get out too....mainly because of the euro.
Hopefully there will be along time before we get to vote again, bucause i think the yes crowd has a very small lead.
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Now we are talking :)
Originally posted by straffo
Well it look like we have the same disagreement I have with some other here.
It's just that I don't think we should be soft with terrorism,it should IMO be dealed with a maximum of care to avoid helping their recruitement.
I thing that a military "agitation" is a waste of ressources.
don't you think that moving the troops out will result in helping their recruitement? It is a cledar sign that their attacks resulting as they want them to result :eek:
If you send troop you send also easy target (like Iraq tends to prove) and in the same time helping recruitement.
sending the troops there is risky, but how you want to prevent them form a civil war? Troops should be there to protect civilians from the bandints mafias or whatever they have overe there. They shoudl keep the peace on the streets and make normal citizens feel secured. Finally some small % of the troops usege should be hunding the extrahunkz of any kind (aka terrorists). When you are sending the toppos in and later moving them out with the way some are willing to do it - you are showing them how WEAK you really are.... believe me, they won't notice you are smart....
The Spanish population s/howed last year her will ,the spanish governement proceeded without caring of their opinion and in the same time they showed an incredible incompetance in protecting their own citizen from an horrible tragedie.
Incompetence of the goverment is another thing. Imo it's not that important here. Goverment should pay for the mistakes, but fighting wiht terrorists is another case
If you remember the truce proposed by Osame last week you should remeber also how the EU nations as whole rejected this truce.
Nice, but at the same time Spain informed that they are moving out... other countries are considering it more or less officiall and some other are not present in Iraq... :rolleyes:
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I disagree also with your interpretation about a business reason for the non intervention in Iraq,there is currently German and French troops in Afghanistan,our intel and police is still working on terrorism.
I do think that the US administration wasted stupidly all the capitalized sympathie they got after 9/11.
Again I don't think dealing with terrorism is killing terrorist (even if it's part of the job) the real problem is killing the source[/] of terrorism.
Where is the point in building a dam if you can't stop the source ?
I'm not economist and i can't prove you are wrong... so it's "me thinks" against "me thinks" here... i think ;)
About EU now.
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It will be hard for Poland to join and it will be hard for EU to have us... i think it's because of the different opinions Poland or Frmance or Germany have.
If Chirac saying that "Poland missed it's chance to shuddup" (more or less that's what he said when we supported US) i don't expect our presence in EU to be painless for EU and us. I also hope that we will keep opinions and won't get scared by the bigger countries :)
But by increasing the dependancy of the nation between each other ,by creating more an more link between citizen I hope it will create a better future for my childs and the next generations.
That is what could be great about EU... maybe someday we start thinking about ourselves as a people form europe not from Poland or France. If we mix our people with a time, it will happened :)
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Some good stuff, Bikekill; but I'll make two counter-points:
1) England and Denmark (the only two places I feel qualified to talk about) were quite simply lied into war. Indeed; Fough is on record is saying "Saddam has WOMD. It's not something we think; it's something we know"; and in England we were told those weapons were at 45 minutes readiness.
Now; I applaud the downfall of Saddam; but democratic governments lieing thier people into war absolutly appalls me; full stop. I equate it with the famous falsehoods preceeding Poland's invasion; and such; find it unforgiveable.
2) When it comes to the "war on terrorism"; I don't believe England owes America a dime. Yanks have held fund raisers for the IRA for decades; America has sponsored and feted terrorists who not only blew the limbs off British school children; but even targeted Americans (the Harrods bombing). America has deliberatly funded "regime de-stabilisation" in every continent; and now, suddenly, it's a "war on terror".....
IF the American position that the only cure to "the Irish problem" is dialog; not arms (and to be fair; I've a sneaking suspicion they may be right); then why is there no dialog with Al quida? I realise that that's an enormously provocative statement to Americans; but it's no more provacative then seeing an American President shake Gerry Adams hand.
Strange to think that wo years ago Americans, French, Germans and even Russians were fighting side by side (in Afghanistan); and how quickly Bush blew that alliance apart.
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on at time ;)
Originally posted by dweebespit
Unfrotunately Straffo, the only successfull methodology for fighting terrorism has been shown in years previous: a combination of intelligence and violence against the terrorists.
IE - the Brits dealing with the IRA, even some of the French actions in Algiers, yada yada, don't forget Carlos either.
I agree with that's what I've in mind actually.
The models are similiar as far as the organizations and the fact that the fueding parties are significantly far away from each other. This is not intended to bring down some rediculous statement about Israel/Palestine. That situation is entirely different socially and politically........
When you say 'stop the cause of terrorism', I would either have to guess that for one reason or another you're speaking in extremely vague terms. What exactly is the 'cause' of terrorism in this case? How exactly do we stop it?
I've been vague because there is more than several causes of terrorism and more than one terrorism.
You cited the IRA theit motive is diffenrent of Al Queida like the Rote Armee Fraktion had different objectives .
There is not one method to stop several sources of terrorism each one is specific.
It look like it's Hamas who operate actually in Isreal previously it was the PLO is the source identic and their objectives similar ? I don't know.
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Originally posted by bikekil
Now we are talking :)
damm cannot have several quote level on this BBS ....
cut'n paste mode activated :D
don't you think that moving the troops out will result in helping their recruitement? It is a cledar sign that their attacks resulting as they want them to result
Dunno , but actually staying create more Iraqui "freedom fighter" people who would perhaps never been involved in terrorism.
Actually it create a mix between terrorist and resistants (I call them resistant because it's how they see themselves ,are they ... are they not is not the question)
ending the troops there is risky, but how you want to prevent them form a civil war? Troops should be there to protect civilians from the bandints mafias or whatever they have overe there. They shoudl keep the peace on the streets and make normal citizens feel secured. Finally some small % of the troops usege should be hunding the extrahunkz of any kind (aka terrorists). When you are sending the toppos in and later moving them out with the way some are willing to do it - you are showing them how WEAK you really are.... believe me, they won't notice you are smart....
That's a a double sided sword...
Effectively troops can prevent looting etc ...
But there presence can also create frustration among the Iraqui (you know this particuliar feeling you have when in you're own country the order is made by foreign troops ...)
Incompetence of the goverment is another thing. Imo it's not that important here. Goverment should pay for the mistakes, but fighting wiht terrorists is another case
I don't think they will stop, they don't have stopped fighting ETA and they keep reinforcing the south against African immigrant.
Why do you think they will stop protecting their citizen ?
Nice, but at the same time Spain informed that they are moving out... other countries are considering it more or less officiall and some other are not present in Iraq...
Well all is in the interpretation of the move
I'm not economist and i can't prove you are wrong... so it's "me thinks" against "me thinks" here... i think
//french arrogance mode on
Don't you know I'm always right ?
//french arrogance mode off :p
t will be hard for Poland to join and it will be hard for EU to have us... i think it's because of the different opinions Poland or Frmance or Germany have.
If Chirac saying that "Poland missed it's chance to shuddup" (more or less that's what he said when we supported US) i don't expect our presence in EU to be painless for EU and us. I also hope that we will keep opinions and won't get scared by the bigger countries
Sure it will hard but the current state of affair will evolve and by sharing people and richness we will have a better future ( I'm an incurable optimist ;))
That is what could be great about EU... maybe someday we start thinking about ourselves as a people form europe not from Poland or France. If we mix our people with a time, it will happened
Well I'm already a partially European having French Polish Dutch Hungarish blood :p
I hope my child will live in a federation were all voices will be heard and with prosperity.
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Last years terrorist is this years business partner...welcome to realpolitik.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3644697.stm
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I've been vague because there is more than several causes of terrorism and more than one terrorism.
So we should busy ourselves trying to stop the cause that we can't identify? That's awesome. I for one, will settle for blowing the **** out of them.
Dunno , but actually staying create more Iraqui "freedom fighter" people who would perhaps never been involved in terrorism.
I think any question about the nature of these folks, is strictly a matter of lack of understanding of them and their intentions. When you look very closely at what's going on here, you'll notice that they are fighting a threat that doesn't exist.
What exactly are they resisting? Last time I checked we're over there trying to get a functional government up there and rebuild the heavily damaged infrastructure. Any attempt to thwardt us over there is essentially making that goal more difficult.
So I guess, if by 'resistance' you mean 'resisting progress and getting out of being a 3rd world country' then by all means continue. Otherwise, i'd suggest that the term 'terrorist' will do just fine.
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Originally posted by dweebespit
So we should busy ourselves trying to stop the cause that we can't identify? That's awesome. I for one, will settle for blowing the **** out of them.
War on terror worked great in Spain.
Look like you either didn't blow enought Iraqui or didn't blow enought Iraqui... (aren't the suspect from Morroco btw ?)
I think any question about the nature of these folks, is strictly a matter of lack of understanding of them and their intentions. When you look very closely at what's going on here, you'll notice that they are fighting a threat that doesn't exist.
What exactly are they resisting? Last time I checked we're over there trying to get a functional government up there and rebuild the heavily damaged infrastructure. Any attempt to thwardt us over there is essentially making that goal more difficult.
So I guess, if by 'resistance' you mean 'resisting progress and getting out of being a 3rd world country' then by all means continue. Otherwise, i'd suggest that the term 'terrorist' will do just fine.:rolleyes:
It's strickly a question of perspective when under Nazi rule during last war resistant were called terrorists ...
It's pretty presumptuous to think that your value are universal and should be the norm.
Perhaps the Iraqui would prefer a muslim dictature or see Saddam back :) ? (I know it sound stupid)
You say : we rebuild.
They think : you destroyed.
Untill their mind change they will be resistants and you will call them terrorist ,but keep in mind it's more grey than black and white.
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Hmmmm.....a frenchman supporting terrorists by calling them freedom fighters. Who would have thought?
A few words for you:
War on terror worked great in Spain.
I see. We should have just stood around and done nothing. Make nice with the terrorists. We should send them a big fruit basket.
And you're right. We clearly haven't blown up enough Iraqis. As a matter of fact, I'm avidly for blowing them clear in submission or extinction. Either way, the good ol' USA is safe, and that's all that matters.
It's pretty presumptuous to think that your value are universal and should be the norm.
Actually, yes. Our values can, in fact, be enforced as the norm. Truth be told, while we may have lost 90 men within the last few weeks, we've killed (by most estimations) we've killed 10 times that. And yes, given numbers like that, these brown mother****ers are going to start seeing things our way sooner or later.
Tell me something though, in your view is attacking 4 guys in a convoy, burning their bodies, and hanging them up from a bridge the norm?
Is attacking people who are actively trying to make your country a better place for you an your children the norm?
Look man, I realize you fancy yourself a psuedo intellectual or something, but I think you should perhaps......brush up on reality a bit. You, your morbidly obese pal Mike Moore, and Al Franken's jew bellybutton can all sit around and spew this thinly vieled anti American crap you want. The fact is, I think Moore realizes what he's saying is propoganda, and Franken realizes he's doing comedy. You seem to really believe this stuff.
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Originally posted by dweebespit
Hmmmm.....a frenchman supporting terrorists by calling them freedom fighters. Who would have thought?
I find you sound stupid it's probably because you are.
A few words for you:
I see. We should have just stood around and done nothing. Make nice with the terrorists. We should send them a big fruit basket.
And you're right. We clearly haven't blown up enough Iraqis. As a matter of fact, I'm avidly for blowing them clear in submission or extinction. Either way, the good ol' USA is safe, and that's all that matters.
Actually, yes. Our values can, in fact, be enforced as the norm. Truth be told, while we may have lost 90 men within the last few weeks, we've killed (by most estimations) we've killed 10 times that. And yes, given numbers like that, these brown mother****ers are going to start seeing things our way sooner or later.
Tell me something though, in your view is attacking 4 guys in a convoy, burning their bodies, and hanging them up from a bridge the norm?
Is attacking people who are actively trying to make your country a better place for you an your children the norm?
Look man, I realize you fancy yourself a psuedo intellectual or something, but I think you should perhaps......brush up on reality a bit. You, your morbidly obese pal Mike Moore, and Al Franken's jew bellybutton can all sit around and spew this thinly vieled anti American crap you want. The fact is, I think Moore realizes what he's saying is propoganda, and Franken realizes he's doing comedy. You seem to really believe this stuff.
Good you finally notice I'm anti-american !
Do you know I burn an American flag at breafast each day ?
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Originally posted by straffo
War on terror worked great in Spain.
There is an error on the words' sequence. The real phrase is "War on Spain worked great for terrror"...of course fueled by some irresponsible politicians, unscrupulous press and a good amount of heers of the Socialist education reform in 1.990.
I guess we harvest what we seed. :(
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Originally posted by dweebespit
That line works so well when you say it in broken English.
At least you admit it.
Thanks for responding to the points listed in my last posts. It helps your credibility.
I won't waste my time answering your crap.
Notice : if you piss me I'll do my best to piss you.
I guess that my broken english make my post lacking credibility,let continue in French we will see how easy you can express your view.
But I think there is no value for you in a discution with a pseudo-intellectual French,especially if this discution is in French.
@pepe : as you already know my remark was not directed to you or any Spaniard but more because of the following derogatory comment from a stupid individual :
a frenchman supporting terrorists
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I won't waste my time answering your crap.
That's very convienent. You just did. You mean you don't want to respond to the points that I've made, because they are woefully out of your league.
Notice : if you piss me I'll do my best to piss you.
Whatever that means. Go to the message board at: http://www.frenchgoldenshowers.com
"I guess that my broken english make my post lacking credibility"
I never said that. Learn to read. I said 2 very different ideas:
1. Your insult is ineffective because your English sucks.
2. The fact that you chose to begin insulting me, rather then responding to a single point that I made, is what makes your posts lack credibility.
Perhaps if you were to spend more time reading what is really happening over what you want to be happening, you won't be drawing lamo conclusions like 'Those terrorists in Iraq are just like the french resistance in WWII'.
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Originally posted by dweebespit
Actually, yes. Our values can, in fact, be enforced as the norm. Truth be told, while we may have lost 90 men within the last few weeks, we've killed (by most estimations) we've killed 10 times that. And yes, given numbers like that, these brown mother****ers are going to start seeing things our way sooner or later.
When arrogance meets ignorance...
Originally posted by dweebespit
And you're right. We clearly haven't blown up enough Iraqis. As a matter of fact, I'm avidly for blowing them clear in submission or extinction. Either way, the good ol' USA is safe, and that's all that matters.
You would have felt quite comfortable in Germany in 1938, wouldn't have you?
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What's arrogant about saying that we're killing bad people at a high enough rate that we'll ultimately accomplish our goals?
What's ignorant about that?
You would have felt quite comfortable in Germany in 1938, wouldn't have you?
It's interesting that a jingoist or nationalist opinion is immediately identified with being Nazi.
"don't love your country, thats what hitler did"
I don't think there's anything NAZI about me. On just about every domestic issue, I'm all about the liberal application of rights. I'm a firm believer that Americans should be able to do just about anything they want as long as it doesn't hinder anybody else. On all things foreign policy, I believe that _anyone_ who poses a threat to our national security should be blown to little bits and pieces and shown on CNN. Wait. No. Develop more spectacular bombs and put that stuff on Pay-Per-View.
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Love your country all you want, I don't care.
But this desire to blow up an entire nation just because they don't share your view makes you a Nazi (and btw the use of 'brown' add some racist cream on this disgusting cake)
And about ignorance: history showed that killing people is NOT the way to make them share your views...
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Actually, I don't mind blowing up a people who want to threaten our interests. See, we Americans pay this guy named Bush. Bush's job is to ensure the safety of our interests, both domestic and over seas. In order to do his job correctly, he's going to have to crack a few skulls. Very simple.
How does brown appear racist? The people in Iraq are, in fact, brown. Right?
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Originally posted by dweebespit
...In order to do his job correctly, he's going to have to crack a few skulls. Very simple...
Ok, I got trolled, my bad...
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And you're right. We clearly haven't blown up enough Iraqis. As a matter of fact, I'm avidly for blowing them clear in submission or extinction.
And yes, given numbers like that, these brown mother****ers are going to start seeing things our way sooner or later.
OK, I'll bite. If you don't consider these as racist statements, dweebspit, what would you consider a racist statement?
How does brown appear racist? The people in Iraq are, in fact, brown. Right?
Not right. Many of them are very fair. You would not be able to tell them apart from say, a WASP American or a lightly tanned Californian.
Ravs
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Oh right.......
Great way to get myself knocked.
Racist:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist
Racist would be:
"we should kill them because they're brown"
I said:
"we should kill those brown folks because they're threatening our interests"
Major difference. See how quickly the insults fly around here? I've now been called dumb, racist, and nazi by these supposedly 'open minded' Euro types.
Edit - I'm yet to see any photos of Iraqi's looking WASP. I would submit, that while what you're saying might be true to a more reasonable degree further south (Saudi Arabia) and West (jordan, Syria), Iraq remains the extreme Eastern flank of the Arab world, therefor precluding it to darker skin and often times more Persian-looking in nature due to it's neighboring with the west side of Iran, just as Iran's east side is more along the lines of the central asian or modern mongol appearance.
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OK. Let's take a look at the definition you referred to for racist:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
Now, bearing in mind definition 2. let's take a look at the definition of 'discrimination' in the same dictionary:
1. ..
2. ..
3. Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice: racial discrimination; discrimination against foreigners
Now, let's take a look at the definition of prejudice in the same dictionary:
1. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
2. A preconceived preference or idea.
3. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions...
4. Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion.
5. Detriment or injury caused to a person by the preconceived, unfavorable conviction of another or others.
Seems to me that what you are saying is that we should kill all Arabs because some of them represent a threat to the US.
Put in 'dictionary' terms, it seems to me that:
a. you have an irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race or religion. (arabs). Irrational because you advocate the destruction of all of them (regardless of who they are as individuals and what they believe in as individuals)
b. It also seems to me that you have unreasonable preconcieved judgments or convictions about arab people in general. You appear to think they are all out to destroy the US.
I think I could probably make a case for one or two of the other definitions.
If you were merely pointing out that Arabs are (generally) brown and it was Arabs who wanted to harm the US that you wanted to kill (who would also be generally brown) then, yes, I can see you're merely making an observation that Arabs are generally brown.
Re WASP looking Iraqis, I'll post you a photo here when I get home tonight of some friends of mine. See if you can spot the Iraqi! I'd agree with you that the marjority of Iraqis are brown, though.
Ravs
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terror grow on the attention it gets, and for the time beeing they get it big time.
Im not a expert, but If our money hungry newspapers and tv stations didnt do such a good job for the terrorists they woulda walked pretty lonesome in the desert.
And here we go doing the same job beeing experts of how to deal with them, we are a bunch of sofa sitting morons thinking the brains outta ourselve and having one bad idea after the other.
But I have to agree It is good entertainment seeing all the posts here :D
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Originally posted by Nilsen
didn't Germans get to vote Monk?
I know polls shows that most Danes wants out and the Italians I know want's to get out too....mainly because of the euro.
Hopefully there will be along time before we get to vote again, bucause i think the yes crowd has a very small lead.
Nope, sad really.
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a. you have an irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race or religion. (arabs). Irrational because you advocate the destruction of all of them (regardless of who they are as individuals and what they believe in as individuals)
It seems to me that you're drawing a very poor conclusion based on a single statement, which you are manipulating in your mind to mean more then you think.
I think you're missing the 'whatever it takes' part of what I'm saying. Allow me to re-explain:
Anyone who hinders our progress in Iraq should be labeled an enemy should be labeled an enemy and either captured or killed. End of story.
If you were merely pointing out that Arabs are (generally) brown and it was Arabs who wanted to harm the US that you wanted to kill (who would also be generally brown) then, yes, I can see you're merely making an observation that Arabs are generally brown
Which is exactly what I'm saying, save foryour use of the past tence of 'want' meaning that these individuals no longer want to harm the US. They _do_ want to harm the US.
By the way, everyone take notice that rather trying to proove me wrong using an amount of logic, he's put me on ignore. Even funnier perhaps, is this thing which is apparently supposed to mean that he has accomplished something.
Of course, thats the way his country has been doing things since pre-wwII - sticking their head in the sand and pretending like it's not happening.
You are truly living the French life, Straffo.
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Well I was using the dictionary you offered
Let me remind you of what you said:
And you're right. We clearly haven't blown up enough Iraqis. As a matter of fact, I'm avidly for blowing them clear in submission or extinction.
but you want to just kill those Iraqi's who (and I'm using your words here)
hinders our progress in Iraq should be labeled an enemy should be labeled an enemy and either captured or killed. End of story.
Now what does...'hinder our progress' mean exactly? That could cover anything from violent opposition to merely not cooperating. Do you *really* want all these people dead? Why? merely because they are hindering 'your' progress?(and given that the American people are quite divided on the subject, I wonder who 'you' is) Isn't the point of replacing the previous regime that we are giving people the opportunity of dissent? Don't you think your initial reaction was a bit extreme?
Let's now move to the 'brown' comment. I suggested that it was you saying that the word 'brown' in this case was merely a label. So perhaps you didn't express yourself properly the first time, because you actually said:
these brown mother****ers are going to start seeing things our way sooner or later.
Now, if you were merely pointing out that Arabs are (generally) brown and it was Arabs who wanted to harm the US that you wanted to kill (who would also be generally brown) then, yes, I can see you're merely making an observation that Arabs are generally brown, you should have said that in the first place.
But let me ask you this. Why did you feel the need to point out that Arabs were (generally) brown when most of us know that anyway?
No. I think you're being a bit disingenous and backpeddling on perhaps what was something you may have said in haste and now regret but trying to justify.
Your use of the word 'brown mother****ers makes it pretty plain to me that you group a people of a particular race or colour as 'the enemy'. Do you know any 'brown mother***ers' who are nice people?
And now to the 'spot the Iraqi quiz'. And let's make it easy.
Which of these people do you think is an Iraqi?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/258_1082677457_imgb.jpg)
Let me give you clue: I'm the 'brown motherf***er' in the middle.
dweebspit, you need to get a few things straight in your head.
It does not make any sense to call for the extinction of a people, because there are some bad apples in the barrel. There are bad apples in the barrel everywhere, even in America.
Your use of a term like 'brown mother***er' really does not advance your cause. If anything, it revereses it.
You could just apologise for flying off the handle in your earlier posts and point out that you don't really think that all Arabs should be exterminated rather than trying to justifying yourself.
Ravs
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Now what does...'hinder our progress' mean exactly?
Anyone who is actively making our job more difficult.
Isn't the point of replacing the previous regime that we are giving people the opportunity of dissent? Don't you think your initial reaction was a bit extreme?
They have that opportunity. Just not while killing Americans who are trying to give these idiots a hand.
But let me ask you this. Why did you feel the need to point out that Arabs were (generally) brown when most of us know that anyway?
I'm curious. Why does it bother you that I called Arab people brown? Are they not proud to be brown? And don't you think if I were a racist, i'd pick some of the much more colorfull terms for arabs?
Your use of the word 'brown mother****ers makes it pretty plain to me that you group a people of a particular race or colour as 'the enemy'.
Well it is true that there are a great deal of arabs who spend quite a bit of time burning flags, plotting terrorist attacks, yada yada.
Let me give you clue: I'm the 'brown motherf***er' in the middle.
Damn. You're ugly.
Now you need to get a few things straight in your head:
I would gladly see that extinction before I'd see another 9/11. Hell, if it came between me seeing a single American die or watching the destruction of the entire middle east, I'll press the button myself.
I'll be Golly-geened if I'm expected to apologise for holding the belief that the safety of my fellow country men is far more important then the well being of any other country.
But of course, the Arab world is more then welcome to prevent the US from having to come over there and kill ****loads of people. All they have to do, is start fighting terrorists within their own boarders. But why don't they do that?
................because they support terrorism. Because deep down they agree with what these wingnuts are trying to do. Otherwise, why not fight back?
So in all actuality, it's not just these few bad apples (like the 10,000 bad apples we've had to snuff in Iraq) it's also bred right into the infrastructures...the governments who don't do a damn thing. Well why doesn't the church stand up and tell these people what they're doing is wrong and that it's going to get a lot of people killed?
............ohhhhh right, because again these zealous screwballs believe in what the terrorists are doing too.
But I suppose when you do the math, we're still dealing with a 'few bad apples', ey?
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At least we can agree on one thing dweeb,
I am ugly. :)
It doesn't bother me at all for you to call arab people brown. I do find it disturbing when you call them brown mother****rs who all deserve to die - (although I think that's now been revised to only those who hinder US policy). Oh btw, the Iraqi in the picture is the girl on the right as you look at it.
I'm not questioning your patriotism. Again I hope your 'I'd rather press the button to destroy the middle east than see one American die', is an exaggeration.
In fact Muslim countries have (finally) offered to put troops on the ground in Iraq, but only under a UN run operation. See here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3651003.stm) .
Well why doesn't the church stand up and tell these people what they're doing is wrong and that it's going to get a lot of people killed?
In fact there are...you just don't hear about it because it's not news. look
here (http://www.ncccusa.org/news/03news51.html) for example.
Arrests of suspected terrorists are taking place in muslim countries, like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt and Morocco for example.
However I do agree with you that Arab states could do more to distance themselves from anti-american sentiment which advocates the use of violence, or certainly give Americans the perception that they are doing more.
It's a pity that the qualities that many Arabs and Americans have in common (both incredibly generous and both incredibly hospitiable). But part of the reason why we have this problem of perception in the first place is that people are really keen to believe the worst of others when quite often having no direct experiece themselves.
Ravs
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Ravs, just a few questions.
What is that meat looking stuff that is partially eaten?
Is that Danish butter?
How much wine is left in the bottle?
How is such a funny looking man surrounded by women?
Do tell.
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Ravells,
you have my full sympathy and respect. I couldnt have said it better.
And i really miss some administrator comments in here. But..uh..i forgot..i am in the Klan club err O'club here and almost everything is allowed.
Ecke
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well said seeker (the thing GS quoted)
Ravs.....i have the same shirt i think..what brand is it ?
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Ravs has a harem? Obviously a man of means, harem's are damnably expensive these days!!
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Originally posted by Ecke-109-
Ravells,
you have my full sympathy and respect. I couldnt have said it better.
And i really miss some administrator comments in here. But..uh..i forgot..i am in the Klan club err O'club here and almost everything is allowed.
Ecke
Just don't say anything that Admin thinks is nasty - course killing and slaughter and racism is just fine!!
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What is that meat looking stuff that is partially eaten?
Olive pate, I think.
Is that Danish butter?
No idea.
How much wine is left in the bottle?
The wine bottle is always half empty.
How is such a funny looking man surrounded by women?
Dumb luck.
thanks Ecke.
Nilsen - it's an old flannel shirt I got from the a camping shop...Artex? or something ike that.
Shaden: Harems are what us brown folk are good at!
Ravs :)
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Ahh, not the same shirt i have then :D
give us a short bio of all the women in the pic..... thank you
btw..i am 180, 88kg and a nice boy...or so my mom sais anyway
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Originally posted by Seeker
Now; I applaud the downfall of Saddam; but democratic governments lieing thier people into war absolutly appalls me; full stop. I equate it with the famous falsehoods preceeding Poland's invasion; and such; find it unforgiveable.
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It is only a lie if it is intentional. If the governments thought they were telling the truth, are yuo still just as "appaled" as you claim to be now?
2) When it comes to the "war on terrorism"; I don't believe England owes America a dime. Yanks have held fund raisers for the IRA for decades; America has sponsored and feted terrorists who not only blew the limbs off British school children; but even targeted Americans (the Harrods bombing). America has deliberatly funded "regime de-stabilisation" in every continent; and now, suddenly, it's a "war on terror".....
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Here you fail to make a distinction between "america" and "americans". Im almost hesitant to point this out since it blows yuor theory out of the water, but still it is the simple truth.
IF the American position that the only cure to "the Irish problem" is dialog; not arms (and to be fair; I've a sneaking suspicion they may be right); then why is there no dialog with Al quida? I realise that that's an enormously provocative statement to Americans; but it's no more provacative then seeing an American President shake Gerry Adams hand.
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To understand the difference between the IRA and Al Queida, I suppose one would be able to read newspapers or watch television news or otherwise stay in touch with reality. Lets just say that there is a slight difference in what Al Queidas ultimate goals are, and what IRAs ultimate goals were. There is also a slight difference in tactics and operations.
Strange to think that wo years ago Americans, French, Germans and even Russians were fighting side by side (in Afghanistan); and how quickly Bush blew that alliance apart.
Why are you attempting to put the blame on Bush? Is it not just as much the fault of Germany, France and Russia? In Sweden we have a saying that roughly translates to "it is rarely the fault of one, if two are fighting."
pyhooya
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Ahh, not the same shirt i have then :D
give us a short bio of all the women in the pic..... thank you
btw..i am 180, 88kg and a nice boy...or so my mom sais anyway
Lol Nilsen.
The one on the left, Belinda, is Irish and just got married.
The one on the right, Samnia, is the girlfriend of one of my best friends.
The one at the back, Felicity, is married to me.
Anyway, you're from Norway, which I visited many years ago. No end of beautiful ladies there!
Ravs
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hehe
I have a gf but there is always room for one more.
Enjoy them all Ravs, in 50 years they are gonna look old.
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I'm not questioning your patriotism. Again I hope your 'I'd rather press the button to destroy the middle east than see one American die', is an exaggeration.
You wish. As an American, I have a certain love for my fellow Americans. That being the case, the lives of my fellow Americans are infinitely more important then the lives of enemies.
Call for moderation all you want Ecke, it doesn't change anything. I'm noticing a very odd trend here that it seems to be exclusively these Eurotrash types who are turning up their nose at the idea that the biggest kid on the block should be acting like it. I'm left to assume, that this is a form of jealousy....
In fact, I would submit that given the opinions on a lot of these countries towards the US (dating well back mind you) that this thinly vieled support of terrorists is really just a self-serving "we hate America" thing.
In fact there are...you just don't hear about it because it's not news. look
I was born at night. Not last night. I want to hear a Muslim leader with the people's ear tell them to stop. I want to see that happen. I'm not talking about some fringe mullah, I'm talking about a hard core guy coming out and saying "look folks, we have to stop". Why doesn't that happen? Because these fringe types (whom oddly, have a great deal of zealous followers) are supporting it.
"well arrests are taking place".....
Right. They sure have helped with that whole Al Quaada problem.
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what does Eurotrash mean dweebspit?
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Eurotrash, in my context, refers to this subculture of arrogant dolts who piss and moan about about the conduct of the good ol' USA because it's a bit to unabashing under some sort of percieved civil behavior code which exists for strictly self-serving reasons.
Usually it's marked by the classic peace-monger silliness. For example, post Munic, '72, the Germans jumped up and down and got in bed with every major intelligence service they could and ran a few dozen assasinations (usually conducted by alternate intelligence services) and a few very nasty deployments of GSG-9 (German counter-terrorism). That was ok for the Germans.....and hell......Carlos only killed a handfull of them....the rest were Israli. We kept our mouth shut.
The French's actions, when posed with similar threats are riddled with whispers of attrocities. Not to mention the fact that we've kept out mouths shut about the sale of arms during the post Gulf War period.
And the British....when the British were out raping women and killing children in Ireland (don't deny it now......ya know.....the SAS) it was ok.
And remember when the British started fighting over a ****ty little island that resulted in a full scale war? We kept our mouths shut about that too.
It was ok when they were doing it, but not ok that we're doing it.
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Thank you dweebspit..
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Originally posted by dweebespit
and Al Franken's jew bellybutton
What is with the reference to someones religion ? I find this very offensive.................... ............
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I dont understand why some people seem so interested in writing pointless posts containing the word "in". If you have nothing to add to the conversation then why not just shut the f uck up?
Naso and Nielsen for example? Can you tell us why you felt the urge to post "in" right now?
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I thINk they heard Skuzzy lurkINg nearby
Daniel
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Another one...
The BB equivalent of those retarded kids on the schoolyard who never had the guts to join any fight themselves, but instead stood in a circle around the ones who did cheering them on or booing or whatever...
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you just dont get it do you hortlind :rofl
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Originally posted by Nilsen
you just dont get it do you hortlind :rofl
No I dont, so please explain it to me.
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What is with the reference to someones religion ? I find this very offensive.................... ............
You find Jewish people to be offensive? Wow.....here people were calling me a Nazi.....
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that would prolly be a waste of time hortlind
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Translation:
"Dude, if you don't know, we're not going to tell you.
huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh"
*or*
"Seeing as we have no response to anything the other guy said, we're going to say something that doesn't make sense in order to sustain us. It's better then eating crow."
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Originally posted by Nilsen
that would prolly be a waste of time hortlind
Well, do you have any reason whatsoever to post "in" like that other than convey some childish "I write "in" because I think you are wrong and I hope this thread is locked and you are banned...and therefore I write "in" as in "in before the lock" in an über-silly attempt to draw teh attention of the mods so they can hear my plea to have the one who disagrees with me banned and this thread locked."
Because that is why I think you are posting "in", unless you can give me some other reason...which I am very interested to hear.
FFS if you disagree with him, then tell him so and tell him why instead of some pathetic attempt to hide behind Skuzzy... what the hell are you 7 yrs old?
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Hortlund give me your home address. I want to send you a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon.
ha
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So Naso..how are you doing today?
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Comon now Creamo don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel.
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No reason then Nielsen?
I kinda suspeced I hit the nail on the head with my post, and your attempt to pretend like you didnt read it only enforces the image of you being a childish moron.
I'll leave you alone now, who knows, you might start crying otherwise
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If you cannot maintain a modicum of civility, then please just leave this board. You know who I am talking to.