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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rogwar on April 21, 2004, 01:25:02 PM
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Too bad about this fella....condolences to the family.
It always fascinates me the "USA's Fault" tidbits one finds laying around all over the iifing place.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1514&e=5&u=/afp/20040421/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_hostage_denmark_040421163056
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Danish daily Politiken identified the man as 35-year-old Henrik Frandsen, who was in Iraq to start a water purification and electrical appliance store in the southern city of Basra.
That's a shame.
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Kubaissi, a senior official of the Committee of Muslim Scholars, has emerged as a key player in efforts to release foreign hostages in Iraq, including two Japanese hostages who were freed on Saturday.
Interviewed in Politiken on Wednesday prior to the announcement of the Dane's death, Kubaissi said he did not believe the businessman was taken for political reasons "because then we would have heard about it".
He suggested that the man may have been killed by US troops.
"Maybe he's been killed by the Americans because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And when the Americans have their backs against the wall, they shoot and make no distinction between rebels, civilians and foreigners," Kubaissi said.
yup anti american attitude. this guy must be an expert at warfare or somthing to make such a bold statement as this. It couldnt possibly be TERRISTS or FORMER BATHISTS. They aren't doing ANY of the killing AT ALL. They are all peace loving pascifists that do nothing but feed hungry children and provide clean water/electricity to the people of iraq.....no it must be the Evil Ammerikans that did this
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That sucks. These animals bite the hand that feeds them.
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"Maybe he's been killed by the Americans because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And when the Americans have their backs against the wall, they shoot and make no distinction between rebels, civilians and foreigners," Kubaissi said.
Hmmmm...would be interesting to inquire his views on civilian Iraqi casualties from bombs etc placed by the insurgents.
Sounds like a fella that needs to be Hannitized! Would love to see Sean ask him questions.
I also like that, "if it was political we would have been contacted". Might be interesting to dig deeper there....if I were an analyst...
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Kubaissi is nothing more than a terrorist ploy to get more money for supporting his terorist networks... plain and simple.
BTW, thanks Spain, it is your fault that the current hostage BS is working...
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This individual makes the argument for showing "muslim" and "scholar" are contradictions in terms.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
yup anti american attitude. this guy must be an expert at warfare or somthing to make such a bold statement as this. It couldnt possibly be TERRISTS or FORMER BATHISTS. They aren't doing ANY of the killing AT ALL. They are all peace loving pascifists that do nothing but feed hungry children and provide clean water/electricity to the people of iraq.....no it must be the Evil Ammerikans that did this
Yep, I think they even blame impotence on us now.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
BTW, thanks Spain, it is your fault that the current hostage BS is working...
ROTFL, no Bodhi its the allied fault cause they are unable to ensure peace.
The spanish administration only did what they promised to do if they get elected, so dont blame ur problems on the Spanish people.
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so dont blame ur problems on the Spanish people.
Ur problems.....you're kidding right?
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Originally posted by Steve
Ur problems.....you're kidding right?
No, I'm not kidding. To ensure the stability of Iraq is the problem of the allied.
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Terrorism is everyone's problem. The mass murders that were goin on in Iraq was a world problem. The world is too small for these problems not to be. You have the luxury of sticking your head in the sand while thumbing your nose at the countries that are doing the world's dirty work. WTG, you must be very proud
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Originally posted by Steve
Terrorism is everyone's problem. The mass murders that were goin on in Iraq was a world problem. The world is too small for these problems not to be. You have the luxury of sticking your head in the sand while thumbing your nose at the countries that are doing the world's dirty work. WTG, you must be very proud
To fight terrorism is everyone's problem but what does this has to do with Iraq?
BTW did u notice that the allied managed to make the Iraq a catchment basin of terrorist. WTG, you must be very proud
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BTW did u notice that the allied managed to make the Iraq a catchment basin of terrorist.
Are you really foolish enough to think many weren't already there?
To fight terrorism is everyone's problem but what does this has to do with Iraq?
Iraq was and is a terrorist haven. Unless we get it stabilized, it will continue to be so. In that way, it is a world problem.
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Originally posted by Steve
Are you really foolish enough to think many weren't already there?
No I'm not foolish enough but as i mentioned before, nowadays in some regions in Iraq anarchy and chaos rules. Furtheron many terrorist come into the country cause they have such easy targets and good possibilities to collect weapons, explosives and to train themselfes.
Originally posted by Steve
Iraq was and is a terrorist haven. Unless we get it stabilized, it will continue to be so. In that way, it is a world problem. [/B]
But it wasnt that heaven / that problem before the war. The allied exacerbated the situation and they are not able to establish a stable regime. I'll not discuss if this war was wrong or right but definitly the allied underestimated the after war guerilla tactics and thats one big fault.
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But it wasnt that heaven / that problem before the war.
Yes it was
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Not it wasnt
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Kubaissi is nothing more than a terrorist ploy to get more money for supporting his terorist networks... plain and simple.
BTW, thanks Spain, it is your fault that the current hostage BS is working...
Congratulations, you sound just as stupid as Kubaissi.
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Not it wasnt
Ya you're right. The terrorist training camps were really Disney theme parks.
:rolleyes:
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okie dokie
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Originally posted by Steve
Ya you're right. The terrorist training camps were really Disney theme parks.
:rolleyes:
Do u really want to compare those terrorist training camps with the situation now in Iraq? I guess not cause this would be stupid.
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Originally posted by Duedel
To fight terrorism is everyone's problem but what does this has to do with Iraq?
How soon we forget, or choose to look the other way, out of political arrogance....
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Our war on terror begins with al Qaida, but it does not end there. . . . we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime. . . President George W. Bush, Joint Session of Congress, September 20, 2001
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Saddam Hussein is paying $25,000 to the relatives of Palestinian suicide bombers -- a $15,000 raise much welcomed by the bombers' families. In Tulkarm, one of the poorest towns on the West Bank, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council handed out the checks from Saddam. The payments have been made for at least two years, but the amount has suddenly jumped up by $15,000 -- a bonus for the families of 'martyrs', to reward those taking part in the escalating war against Israel. . . . Fox News, March 26, 2002
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This general served Saddam Hussein for decades. Along with another Iraqi defector, Sabah Khodada (see below), the general tells of terrorists training in a Boeing 707 resting next to railroad tracks on the edge of Salman Pak, an area south of Baghdad. The existence of the plane has been confirmed by U.N. inspectors. The general describes the men who trained there, the camp's security, and his "gut feeling" that the camp was in some way tied to the Sept. 11 attacks. Iraqi Lt. General, PBS and New York Times Interview, November 6, 2001
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A captain in the Iraqi army from 1982 to 1992, he worked at what he describes as a highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Pak, an area south of Baghdad. In this translated interview Khodada describes what went on at Salman Pak, including details on training hijackers. He emigrated to the U.S. in May 2001. Sabah Kodada, Iraqi Army Captain, PBS and New York Times Interview, October 14, 2001
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An investigation by Frontline confirmed that Iraqi intelligence had trained at least forty Islamic terrorists between 1995 and 2000 in how to hijacking airliners using a Boeing-747 that was originally Kuwaiti property. Frontline, PBS, November 14, 2001
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Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens. . . . Congressional Resolution Authorizing Force Against Iraq, October 15, 2002
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Shortly before the Sept. 11 attacks, a group of al-Qaida fighters left Afghanistan and set up shop in Iraq as a backup base, according to a report in today‘s Los Angeles Times. Osama bin Laden‘s jihadists established such a base in town of Al Biyara and nearby mountain villages where Kurdish militants had begun imposing the strict Islamic rule much like Afghanistan‘s ousted Taliban regime, according to the Times report. While this base is further evidence of Saddam Hussein‘s recent support of al-Qaida, documented by many intelligence sources over the last 10 years, Iraq is attempting to maintain plausible deniability with regard to the bases – suggesting they are outside the control of the government in Baghdad. Intelmessages.com and Los Angeles Times, December 9, 2002
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The British also released a dossier on Iraq which claimed that at least two key Al-Qaeda lieutenants underwent training inIraq. The dossier also confirmed that Iraq was paying Al-Qaeda to use its Ansar forces based in northern Iraq to attack the Kurdish forces. Reuters, September 14, 2002
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Simply no basis for action ;)
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Ripsnort,
Ever wonderd if that intelligence might of come from the same excellent sources as the WMD?
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Ripsnort,
Ever wonderd if that intelligence might of come from the same excellent sources as the WMD?
...-Gixer
Not when we've actually had some of the aforementioned in custody. Too bad one died in custody. ;)
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Originally posted by Gixer
Ripsnort,
Ever wonderd if that intelligence might of come from the same excellent sources as the WMD?
...-Gixer
Not when we've actually had some of the aforementioned in custody. Too bad one died in custody. ;)
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Ripsnort u can quote what u want. Since the allied invaded Iraq there is more terrorism, chaos, hatred and anarchy than before. What about Palestine, why didnt u invade this "country"? What about Pakistan? What about Syria? What about Iran...?
The war against the Talibanin Afghanistan was necessary, no question but the war on Iraq only raised anger.
Why?
Cause the allied showed that they are not able to manage the "fight against terrorism" in Iraq. They clearly showed that they are capable to fight an army but are not capable to fight terrorist (man they didnt manage to repacify Afghanistan until now - German troops involved).
Further on they underestimated the aftermaths of this invasion. This is a pain in the *** cause they raised many terrorist with their solo attempt. They raised way more terrorsits than those that ever could be trained in these Iraqi camps.
Like Blitz said. Iraq was not a threat to the USA its plain redicoulus. But now Iraq is a big threat to, yep maybe all.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Not when we've actually had some of the aforementioned in custody. Too bad one died in custody. ;)
Ripsnort,
I appreciate your point of view on terroism in Iraq, but just ask yourself one question.
Do you think the level of terroist activity in Iraq now is less or greater then prior to the invasion and current occupation of Iraq?
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Ripsnort,
I appreciate your point of view on terroism in Iraq, but just ask yourself one question.
Do you think the level of terroist activity in Iraq now is less or greater then prior to the invasion and current occupation of Iraq?
...-Gixer
Here is a post from me some time ago, and its how I feel:
Originally posted by Ripsnort
From a strategic point of view, it was a brilliant move.
Establish a base in the middle east to ensure safe flow of the oil to the world.
Center the "fight on terrorism" in the Middle east, instead of on our home. Let the terrorists come to us in Iraq.
Let neighboring countries know that if you plan to support/finance terrorism in the future, *we* will know about it. Think of it as a neighborhood "Block watch".
Regardless of the initial motive, the humanitarian side of it has proven it was a just war.
Brilliant!
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Do you suffer from a Parkinson attack, Ripsnort? I mean, double then triple post, wow!
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Ripsnort we know that quoting is ur hobby but this is way to much ... :D
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Originally posted by deSelys
Do you suffer from a Parkinson attack, Ripsnort? I mean, double then triple post, wow!
LOL, sorry, something happend to my server!
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Ripsnort,
Nice quote, but I was after your opinion as to whether you think the level of terroism in Iraq is less or more since the invasion.
If you agree it's more then those other quotes of intelligence regarding terroism in Iraq prior to the invasion are insignificant given the situation in the country now and the middle east overall.
As for the fighting in Iraq rather then in our doorstep, that's rather wishfull thinking given the increased and amount of terroist attacks going on around the world at the moment.
Cheers,
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So let me understand this.
You are insulting a hostage negotiator who has already (if the report is accurate) been instrumental in securing the release of allied hostages because he has dared to suggest that the Danish hostage may have been killed by American friendly fire?
Ravs
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Originally posted by Gixer
Ripsnort,
Nice quote, but I was after your opinion as to whether you think the level of terroism in Iraq is less or more since the invasion.
My quote expresses the prediction that there would be more, and it came true. They're coming out of the woodwork to fight what they perceive as the evil empire.
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Originally posted by Gixer
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As for the fighting in Iraq rather then in our doorstep, that's rather wishfull thinking given the increased and amount of terroist attacks going on around the world at the moment.
Cheers,
And we'll never know how much more there would have been if Iraq had gone unchecked. These guys just don't stop after committing atrocities, Gixer. If you run and hide, you give them more will power to attack again, so damned if we do, damned if we don't.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
And we'll never know how much more there would have been if Iraq had gone unchecked. These guys just don't stop after committing atrocities, Gixer. If you run and hide, you give them more will power to attack again, so damned if we do, damned if we don't.
Unchecked? How much there would have been ? So u have to invade EVERY country to see how much there would have been? This is such a silly argumentation.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
And we'll never know how much more there would have been if Iraq had gone unchecked. These guys just don't stop after committing atrocities, Gixer. If you run and hide, you give them more will power to attack again, so damned if we do, damned if we don't.
But all that asks the question whether the war in Iraq has even the slightest thing at all to do with the war against terror. Beyond me how it is any help at all other then to have teh very adverse effect of making the problem worse.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
But all that asks the question whether the war in Iraq has even the slightest thing at all to do with the war against terror.
...-Gixer
We can go round and round, or you can read my post:
Originally posted by Ripsnort
How soon we forget, or choose to look the other way, out of political arrogance....
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Our war on terror begins with al Qaida, but it does not end there. . . . we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime. . . President George W. Bush, Joint Session of Congress, September 20, 2001
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Saddam Hussein is paying $25,000 to the relatives of Palestinian suicide bombers -- a $15,000 raise much welcomed by the bombers' families. In Tulkarm, one of the poorest towns on the West Bank, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council handed out the checks from Saddam. The payments have been made for at least two years, but the amount has suddenly jumped up by $15,000 -- a bonus for the families of 'martyrs', to reward those taking part in the escalating war against Israel. . . . Fox News, March 26, 2002
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This general served Saddam Hussein for decades. Along with another Iraqi defector, Sabah Khodada (see below), the general tells of terrorists training in a Boeing 707 resting next to railroad tracks on the edge of Salman Pak, an area south of Baghdad. The existence of the plane has been confirmed by U.N. inspectors. The general describes the men who trained there, the camp's security, and his "gut feeling" that the camp was in some way tied to the Sept. 11 attacks. Iraqi Lt. General, PBS and New York Times Interview, November 6, 2001
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A captain in the Iraqi army from 1982 to 1992, he worked at what he describes as a highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Pak, an area south of Baghdad. In this translated interview Khodada describes what went on at Salman Pak, including details on training hijackers. He emigrated to the U.S. in May 2001. Sabah Kodada, Iraqi Army Captain, PBS and New York Times Interview, October 14, 2001
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An investigation by Frontline confirmed that Iraqi intelligence had trained at least forty Islamic terrorists between 1995 and 2000 in how to hijacking airliners using a Boeing-747 that was originally Kuwaiti property. Frontline, PBS, November 14, 2001
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Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens. . . . Congressional Resolution Authorizing Force Against Iraq, October 15, 2002
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Shortly before the Sept. 11 attacks, a group of al-Qaida fighters left Afghanistan and set up shop in Iraq as a backup base, according to a report in today‘s Los Angeles Times. Osama bin Laden‘s jihadists established such a base in town of Al Biyara and nearby mountain villages where Kurdish militants had begun imposing the strict Islamic rule much like Afghanistan‘s ousted Taliban regime, according to the Times report. While this base is further evidence of Saddam Hussein‘s recent support of al-Qaida, documented by many intelligence sources over the last 10 years, Iraq is attempting to maintain plausible deniability with regard to the bases – suggesting they are outside the control of the government in Baghdad. Intelmessages.com and Los Angeles Times, December 9, 2002
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The British also released a dossier on Iraq which claimed that at least two key Al-Qaeda lieutenants underwent training inIraq. The dossier also confirmed that Iraq was paying Al-Qaeda to use its Ansar forces based in northern Iraq to attack the Kurdish forces. Reuters, September 14, 2002
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Simply no basis for action ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
We can go round and round, or you can read my post:
What about reading my posts instead of posting the same and the same and the same?
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Ripsnort,
Yes but I was trying to develop the argument further and to read your opinon rather then just to see you paste the same quotes again.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Duedel
Unchecked? How much there would have been ? So u have to invade EVERY country to see how much there would have been? This is such a silly argumentation.
Your arguement is silly. We will never know what Saddam would have done in years gone by, to his people, and to the world, now will we?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Your arguement is silly. We will never know what Saddam would have done in years gone by, to his people, and to the world, now will we?
Thats not the question Ripsnort. That Saddam was a terrorist himself is not questionalbe. Further on we knew what he's done to his folk (at least that was one argument to invade Iraq).
Try again...
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Do you have a word in Germany for "Harbor"? How about "Promote"?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Do you have a word in Germany for "Harbor"? How about "Promote"?
Sry seams u edited the last post. I dont get it. Do u mean Saddam supported terrorism?
Sure. So read my old posts too.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Do you have a word in Germany for "Harbor"? How about "Promote"?
Are we going to invade saudi arabia for giving money to the familys of marters? You do realize this is a common practice in the arab world.( does not make it right though)
Rip, get over it. The war in iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror. It is the war with Iraq. It did not make the world any safer or more secure. Saddam needed to go, but so do alot of 3rd world dictators. Millions are dieing in N korea, but we will never do anything for them.
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That's because Iraq was believed to be an easy target especially compared to N Korea. Imagine trying to invade let alone occupy that country.
...-Gixer
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"Maybe he's been killed by the Americans because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And when the Americans have their backs against the wall, they shoot and make no distinction between rebels, civilians and foreigners," Kubaissi said.
That really pisses me off. ****ing media 'creates' the news, they dont report it anymore.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Here is a post from me some time ago, and its how I feel:
Rip you hit that one right on target....
Bring the war to the enemy...very old and very basic philosophy there...
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