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cover story at pMSNBC.com
also here are his "posted" citations
http://wid.ap.org/documents/kerry/purplehearts.pdf
http://wid.ap.org/documents/kerry/stars.pdf
http://wid.ap.org/documents/kerry/actionreports.pdf
Kerry campaign provides military records
Move counters GOP criticism of 3-time Purple Heart winnerThe Associated Press
Updated: 3:29 p.m. ET April 21, 2004WASHINGTON - John Kerry’s campaign is posting his military records on the Internet as his critics question the combat injuries that earned him three Purple Hearts and an early exit from Vietnam.
The first records posted Tuesday night on Kerry’s campaign Web site documented the awards that have been a highlight of Kerry’s biography as the Democrat seeks to oust President Bush in November.
During nearly five months as the commander of a Navy swiftboat in the Mekong Delta, Kerry was awarded the Bronze Star for heroic achievement, the Silver Star for gallantry in action and three Purple Hearts for injuries that included shrapnel wounds to his arms, legs and buttocks.
Conservatives, talk radio hosts and some newspaper editorials have questioned the seriousness of his injuries and whether the Massachusetts senator was deserving of the three Purple Hearts, which resulted in his reassignment out of Vietnam.
Kerry’s former commanding officer, Lt. Cmdr. Grant Hibbard, told the Boston Globe last week that Kerry’s first Purple Heart came from minor wound, resembling a fingernail scrape.
Besides the citations and certificates posted on the Internet, Kerry’s campaign provided The Associated Press with declassified reports that briefly explain the injuries that led to Kerry’s final two Purple Heart awards.
They show Kerry had shrapnel wounds in his left thigh after his boat came under intense fire on Feb. 20, 1969, and he suffered shrapnel wounds in his left buttock and contusions on his right forearm when a mine detonated close to his boat on March 13, 1969.
On the Web
John Kerry’s Purple Heart citations (PDF)
John Kerry’s bronze and silver star citations (PDF)
Reports on John Kerry’s wounds (PDF)
The campaign could not locate a similar report for Kerry’s original Purple Heart. As evidence that Kerry was wounded, campaign spokesman Michael Meehan showed The Associated Press a “Sick Call Treatment Record” from Kerry’s personal files that included a brief written note dated Dec. 3, 1968, and stamped from the naval support facility at Cam Ranh Bay.
“Shrapnel in left arm above elbow. Shrapnel removed and appl bacitracin dressing. Ret to Duty,” it said. The note is followed by a signature that appears to say “JCCarreon” and some illegible letters that Meehan said probably designate the medical official’s rank.
Meehan said the campaign would allow a reporter to see the record at the campaign’s headquarters, but not take a copy. He said it would not be made available to the public because Kerry considers it a private medical record.
Documentation for the other two injuries shows that Kerry was deemed to be in good condition and returned to active duty after treatment. The documentation does not describe the severity of the injuries.
After the third Purple Heart, the Navy was required to reassign Kerry out of Vietnam, and a document dated March 17, 1969, said Kerry requested duty as a personal aide in Boston, New York or the Washington area. Kerry could have volunteered to stay in Vietnam, but left the country in early April 1969.
Along with his final Purple Heart, Kerry received the Bronze Star after being wounded by the mine. One of his boatmates was thrown overboard in the blast, but Kerry pulled him to safety.
Kerry did this with “his arm bleeding and in pain and with disregard for his personal safety,” according to the citation. Kerry and the man who went overboard, retired Los Angeles police officer Jim Rassmann, had an emotional public reunion in January, two days before Kerry would win the Iowa caucuses.
Democrats have been touting Kerry’s decorated service during the wartime presidential race and contrasting it with President Bush’s lack of combat experience.
“We are happy to compare Senator Kerry’s record of service to anybody in the Bush campaign who has or has not served,” Meehan said.
Bush was in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War, but did not serve in combat. Bush released hundreds of pages of his Vietnam-era military records in February to counter Democrats’ suggestions that he shirked his duty in the Texas Air National Guard.
The White House said the documents comprise his entire military record. The records did not provide evidence that Bush attended drills while in Alabama during a period when Democrats have questioned whether he reported for service. The records did include a dental examination at an Alabama military facility.
When asked about the questions surrounding his Purple Hearts Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” Kerry said all his military records are available to the public. Meehan said Kerry requested a copy of his record from the Navy last month and received roughly 150 pages last week. He said the entire file would be posted online.
© 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed
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Did Bush show his medals yet?
h
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NOPE but he did release ALL his records a few months ago after the dems whined and cried about it. Kerry still hasnt released ALL of his yet.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
NOPE but he did release ALL his records a few months ago
His arrest records too?
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lmfao...bactin ...
btw..
Kerry Says.."people dont know me"...problem is we do know you..
Linguine spinned left wing wako Liberal..
the same guy North Korea- and the rest of the worlds terrorist want in office...
GO BUSH!
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Geesh what sort of screwed up Navy does the USA have to hand out Purple Hearts for Finger nail scrapes?
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Whadd'ya tryn'a say Vorticon?
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Originally posted by vorticon
a mans military career has nothing to do with his politics
ohhh contrare vorticon,
I think it says a lot about the mans moral fiber and his ideals...
Which Kerry seems to be lacking in every sense.
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0421041kerry1.html
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apologies to the US Navy, not so screwed up after all.
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I'm sure you could dig up info on injuries about alot of vets. I guess we could do that and take away from their brave service. Especially that of those who instead of retreating in the face bullets, attacked.
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Originally posted by Horn
Did Bush show his medals yet?
h
Who's medals does Kerry have hanging on his wall? I thought he threw all his medals over the Whitehouse fence in a protest against the Vietnam war.
FLIP... "waaaa take the medals back"
FLOP... "I'm a hero and proud of my service"
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Here's one document you won't find in Dubyas military records....
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Request_For_Swiftboat_Duty.pdf
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
NOPE but he did release ALL his records a few months ago after the dems whined and cried about it. Kerry still hasnt released ALL of his yet.
ahem....all that were politcaly innocuous were released.
His records were cleaned up by the guy he put in charge of the TNG.
Kerry has released his entire record, warts and all, on his web site.
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unbelievable.
It's as if the republiclowns are reading those reports in a different language.
So... do shrapnel wounds count for a Purple Heart? Sheesh. I mean I could care less if you hate the man or hate his politics, just take all this carping about his service record and blow it out your arse... buncha hypocrites!
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MrLars, his rank of officer wasn't supposed to be on swift boats.
Not only that, but he only went on missions where the expected enemy contact was minimal.
What does that tell you he was trying to do? If you can't pick this one up, you should be shot.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Not only that, but he only went on missions where the expected enemy contact was minimal.
I read some of the missions he was on he was to expect enemy contact.
What does that tell you he was trying to do? If you can't pick this one up, you should be shot.
I just read the link Mrlars posted, what was he trying to do? Read the second part of that last quote.
And I President bush for all those strategic bombers he intercepted over the United States.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
MrLars, his rank of officer wasn't supposed to be on swift boats.
So? He requested and got his request filled, are you saying he had gotten preferential treatment? Justify GWB's preferential treatment if you think so.
Not only that, but he only went on missions where the expected enemy contact was minimal.[/QUOTE]
It's my understanding that the swift boat missions turned very hot just as he took the helm. If those missions were so 'safe' then explain why he was in the action where he earned his SS.
Again, even if he requested 'safe' missions on the delta isn't this leaps and bounds above what GWB requested as far as being 'safe' from hostile fire?
What does that tell you he was trying to do? If you can't pick this one up, you should be shot. [/QUOTE]
It tells me that just maybe he was trying to keep his crew alive as well as himself....something that is easy to question in hindsight from the safety of being behind a computer but in reality, if one had been there as I was you'd know that staying alive was on at the forefront of everyones thoughts and an officer who tossed caution to the wind didn't have too many happy followers, or cover fire. < smile >
So, why did you want to shoot me?
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Everything else aside, I just don't see how Buch can compete with Kerry when it comes to the Political Caricaturist vote.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Everything else aside, I just don't see how Buch can compete with Kerry when it comes to the Political Caricaturist vote.
Lol, you can spell caricaturist, but Bush stumped ya:aok
that is light hearted;)
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1) John Kerry was wounded by enemy fire.
2) John Kerry was awarded the Purple Heart for wounds received by enemy fire.
3) George W. Bush hid in Alabama, Texas and Colorado during the Vietnam War with the help of his Mommy and Daddy.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
unbelievable.
It's as if the republiclowns are reading those reports in a different language.
So... do shrapnel wounds count for a Purple Heart? Sheesh. I mean I could care less if you hate the man or hate his politics, just take all this carping about his service record and blow it out your arse... buncha hypocrites!
MT,
Had the roles been reversed (Kerry a Republican and Bush a Democrat) The "conservatives" here would be extolling his military service and trashing Bush's. The funny thing is that most "liberals" here would be giving kudos to Kerry's military service as well.
You don't see the equation here on the AH BBS (Usually, not always)?
Anything Republican "conservatives" affiliated = Good
Anything Democrat "liberals" affiliated = Bad, Evil, tree huggers, communists, socialists, hippies, etc.
Everything and anything negative going on = liberals.
Everything good = conservatives.
All that matters is political affiliation. All else is water under the bridge.
This from my observations and my opinion, nothing more.
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Originally posted by rpm371
George W. Bush hid in Alabama, Texas and Colorado during the Vietnam War with the help of his Mommy and Daddy.
Do you have some information I don't? I have heard about the Texas and Alabama issues, but not Colorado...
I thought Colorado was just a depository for paperwork.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
MrLars, his rank of officer wasn't supposed to be on swift boats.
BZZZZZZ...wrong! What conservative talk-show spew-hole filled your empty head with that lie?
http://swiftboats.net/ (http://swiftboats.net/)
Click on "Normal Crew":
Crew Complement
The usual crew of a swift boat consisted of:
1 - Lieutenant/Lieutenant junior grade/Ensign (boat commander)
(the enlisted personnel ranged from E3 seaman to E6 Petty Officer First class)
1 - Quartermaster
1 - Radarman
1 - Gunners' Mate
1 - Engineman
1 - Boatswains' Mate
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Not only that, but he only went on missions where the expected enemy contact was minimal.
So...if the first claim was a lie, what should we think about the next. What is your source?
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I'm sorry.
My father who ran a Navy Landing party tells me that officers of Kerry's rank aren't supposed to be on those ships. I guess his time in the navy during vietnam was all of a lie.
Btw, If you've ever heard of a guy named John F. Kennedy, you'd realize in a heart beat that Kerry is trying to mimmick Kennedy step for step. He even changed his last name to a catholic last name!
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It's a good thing one person can't make all of London look bad.
Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
apologies to the US Navy, not so screwed up after all.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Btw, If you've ever heard of a guy named John F. Kennedy, you'd realize in a heart beat that Kerry is trying to mimmick Kennedy step for step. He even changed his last name to a catholic last name!
Yeah, but let's see him score a chick like Marilyn Monroe:aok
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It has been said that Vietnam is the most decorated war in american history.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
He even changed his last name to a catholic last name!
nyuk nyuk
He changed his name from Kohn to Kerry in 1902! He's in good shape for someone at least 102 years old.
It was his grandfather who changed the family name, and as Kerry is a Catholic, it's good to have a Catholic name.
a name like O'Shaunessy or Bettalucci or DePardieux... hey what is the definition of a Catholic name?
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mini jfk is a full fledge "war -hero" sry MT :)
... just 11 more of him to make an even dirty dozen, and the vc woulda ran N back through them tunnels like rats ... LOL
shoulda heard his herman munster arse telling the deadhead ems here in tampa that in 3 years bush totally reversed 30 years of pollution reform ... LOL
LANDSLIDE BUSH !!
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
NOPE but he did release ALL his records a few months ago after the dems whined and cried about it. Kerry still hasnt released ALL of his yet.
I heard all were released today, and he was got marks for being an exceptional officer from every command, also silver star.
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Originally posted by DmdBT
Who's medals does Kerry have hanging on his wall? I thought he threw all his medals over the Whitehouse fence in a protest against the Vietnam war.
FLIP... "waaaa take the medals back"
FLOP... "I'm a hero and proud of my service"
FLIP: check "do not volunteer for overseas duty" in TANG
FLOP: I am a war president
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
lmfao...bactin ...
btw..
Kerry Says.."people dont know me"...problem is we do know you..
Linguine spinned left wing wako Liberal..
the same guy North Korea- and the rest of the worlds terrorist want in office...
GO BUSH!
Bush* isn't worthy to shine Kerry's COMBAT boots.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
MT,
Had the roles been reversed (Kerry a Republican and Bush a Democrat) The "conservatives" here would be extolling his military service and trashing Bush's. The funny thing is that most "liberals" here would be giving kudos to Kerry's military service as well.
You don't see the equation here on the AH BBS (Usually, not always)?
Anything Republican "conservatives" affiliated = Good
Anything Democrat "liberals" affiliated = Bad, Evil, tree huggers, communists, socialists, hippies, etc.
Everything and anything negative going on = liberals.
Everything good = conservatives.
All that matters is political affiliation. All else is water under the bridge.
This from my observations and my opinion, nothing more.
DING DING DING
Give that man a cigar!!
another name for this phenomenom is hypocrisy
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Originally posted by Bodhi
ohhh contrare vorticon,
I think it says a lot about the mans moral fiber and his ideals...
Which Kerry seems to be lacking in every sense.
I think Jim Rassmann might dispute that one.
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Originally posted by Yeager
It has been said that Vietnam is the most decorated war in american history.
Actually Yeager that honor goes to Grenada. Something like 2.3 medals per participant.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Actually Yeager that honor goes to Grenada. Something like 2.3 medals per participant.
He just said it has been said, not that it was true.
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Originally posted by strk
He just said it has been said, not that it was true.
Yeah, Yeager also implied that silver stars, bronze stars and purple hearts were handed out in Viet Nam like candy on Halloween night. Since he'd never toss his medals over the White House wall, I'm sure he'd have no problem showing us pics of the ones he got. ;)
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Don't get me wrong, Bush isn't anything close to a war hero.
The thing is Kerry isn't a war hero either, so they should both just drop the topic.
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Originally posted by Kanth
It's a good thing one person can't make all of London look bad.
It's a good thing one stupid American doesn#t mean all Americans are stupid.
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LOL
It's amusing watching the mud slinging. IMHO atleast he was in Vietnam instead of dodging the war flying jets at home.
And what is it with the purple heart anyway? Always been laughed at in the British forces.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Bodhi
ohhh contrare vorticon,
I think it says a lot about the mans moral fiber and his ideals...
Which Kerry seems to be lacking in every sense.
Which raises the question - what does Bush's military record say about his moral fibre and ideals?
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Originally posted by Gixer
LOL
It's amusing watching the mud slinging. IMHO atleast he was in Vietnam instead of dodging the war flying jets at home.
And what is it with the purple heart anyway? Always been laughed at in the British forces.
...-Gixer
Didn't Britain have an equivalent in WW1 called "wound stripes" worn I think on the sleeve to indicate wounds received? Not sure when it was discontinued.
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How does crow taste with ketchup anyhow?:D
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Kerry’s former commanding officer, Lt. Cmdr. Grant Hibbard, told the Boston Globe last week that Kerry’s first Purple Heart came from minor wound, resembling a fingernail scrape.
The difference between a fingernail scrape and a wound looking like a fingernail scrape is that one was caused in a minor domestic incident and the other was caused by hot metal propelled by high explosive fired by someone trying to kill you as you serve your country which if it was a few inches either side would probably kill you. Hence the medal.
Just a thought!
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The point was Cpxxx, people have taken more bullets then Kerry has ever seen and not gotten purple hearts.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The thing is Kerry isn't a war hero either
Please...did you read the actions that won him a Bronze Star?
Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as an Officer-in-Charge of Inshore Patrol Craft 94, one of five boats conducting a Sealords operation in the Bay Hap River. While exiting the river, a mine detonated under another Inshore Patrol Craft and almost simultaneously, another mine detonated wounding Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in the right arm. In addition, all units began receiving small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks. When Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry discovered he had a man overboard, he returned upriver to assist. The man in the water was receiving sniper fire from both banks. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in pain and with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man aboard. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry then directed his boat to return to and assist the other damaged boat to safety. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry's calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.
Seems to me that anyone that puts themselves directly in harm's way to save the life of another is a hero...his wounds, regardless of how major or minor, are indications of how great the risk he took to protect the men of the other swift boats and his man overboard.
You should be ashamed of yourself. I can think of no more un-American act, other than burning the US flag, that compares with belittling a war veteran who served with the level of distinction that Kerry has done for the protection of our country.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The point was Cpxxx, people have taken more bullets then Kerry has ever seen and not gotten purple hearts.
really? name some
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Originally posted by crowMAW
... I can think of no more un-American act, other than burning the US flag, that compares with belittling a war veteran who served with the level of distinction that Kerry has done for the protection of our country.
P-O-L-I-T-I-C-S
then why did he throw his medals away - symbolically of course as they were someone elses ...
why if he was such an anti war hippie after he got out, does he salute everyone now and lean on his military experience as a plus?
the answer my friend is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind - just like mini jfk stand/opinion of anything and everything - he's a worse flip flopper than slick...
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so it was a sissy wound, so what. someone thought that it was enough to recommend the PH for him. I know of some guys that got wounded while in iraq and they never recieved a PH, then again i also know a guy that got a PH for a bullet wound to the calf. funny thing is that no one heard the shot. he was hit by a stray bullet from a celebratory fire (you know, crazy iraqis that fire a ***** load of rounds in the air). all i can say is dont hate and bash the person that recieved the award. if you have to bash someone, bash the person who sent in the recommendation.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The point was Cpxxx, people have taken more bullets then Kerry has ever seen and not gotten purple hearts.
Total BS.. What a straw man.. Name one laser? How many bullets have you taken? How many you had fired at you?
Hell, i'll answer for you... NONE
Not only that, but he only went on missions where the expected enemy contact was minimal.
This has to be the most laughable ignorant statement yet by this fool... I think he just described the wishes of every war vet outta vietnam.. Actually, propably the wishes of 99.9% of all vets from any war........ What a tool this guy is...
dude
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
NOPE but he did release ALL his records a few months ago after the dems whined and cried about it. Kerry still hasnt released ALL of his yet.
But didn't it take Bush 4 years to finally release his? And even then there were some pretty big gaps.
Think it's amusing to watch the Republicans try and slant Kerry's war records when atleast he has a war record to slant in the first place.
Just how many scratches did Bush get while at home during the Vietnam War?
I'd say it's all going to backfire on the Republicans as slowly they fail to show any short commings in his military career. Bit like how they tried to slander and wreck the credibilty of David Clark before his testimony in the 9/11 hearings.
Most amusing.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
It's a good thing one stupid American doesn#t mean all Americans are stupid.
HAHAHAHA lmao I luv it.. That one cracked me up schaden.. Ga'morning from the otherside of the pond.. 8)
dude
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Originally posted by Gixer
I'd say it's all going to backfire on the Republicans as slowly they fail to show any short commings in his military career. Bit like how they tried to slander and wreck the credibilty of David Clark before his testimony in the 9/11 hearings.
Most amusing.
...-Gixer
Also very sad...
dude
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Originally posted by Gixer
Just how many scratches did Bush get while at home during the Vietnam War?
...-Gixer
I'm sure there were several, also fingernail sized, at or about the vicinity of his nostrils, with a white powdery residue not consistent with propellant charges.
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Kerry showed heroics in combat. Who can blame him for being mad that the U.S. lost the war?
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
It's a good thing one stupid American doesn#t mean all Americans are stupid.
You dont have many friends, do you?
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Originally posted by Gixer
But didn't it take Bush 4 years to finally release his? And even then there were some pretty big gaps.
Think it's amusing to watch the Republicans try and slant Kerry's war records when atleast he has a war record to slant in the first place.
Just how many scratches did Bush get while at home during the Vietnam War?
I'd say it's all going to backfire on the Republicans as slowly they fail to show any short commings in his military career. Bit like how they tried to slander and wreck the credibilty of David Clark before his testimony in the 9/11 hearings.
Most amusing.
...-Gixer
yes you are correct....Kerry released SOME records a while ago to the boston globe...but NOT ALL OF THEM.
The only reason I bring any of this up is cause Kerry is running as a veitnam war hero. That is the only reason it relates to polotics because it is in his campagne.
He was on meet the press recently and asked about his testimony of all the "attrocities" that he and others commited in vietnam. CAN YOU GUESS WHAT HE SAID...NO? He did what he has ALLWAYS DONE....he FLIPP FLOPPED and said attrocity is a strong word and he was wrong for saying it back then. (IE i made up a bunch of crap when I was a hippie so I could get attention)
This is one of MANY reasons I dont like John Kerry.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
This is one of MANY reasons I dont like John Kerry.
Yes, the COWARD KERRY should have joined the NATIONAL GUARD instead of HIDING IN THE MEKONG DELTA. The rich no-good SOB!
When you take enemy fire and become wounded you may have earned the right to criticize his duty, until then get back to peeling those potatoes, Chesty.
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Hey! Here's a novel idea!!!! Howabout..... He's a WAR hero ...(unless you think you're a better expert on determining this than the Navy and the U.S. Government at the time and any time up to the point that he is running for the big job) .....but his politics suck????
Ya see... saying this doesn't discredit your opinions about his politics because you're not already reaching for straws and trying to bend the truth on his war record.
He is a War Hero.... and his politics suck. Why do people have to try to take away everything good from a man to try to make him not THE man for the job?
Just because the lying lawyers and politicians play this game... doesn't mean it's not below you guys....
You got one (points to head) use it.......
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It's called thinking people, try it sometime.
Kerry got a bronze star for pulling someone out of the water.
Everyone else that got a bronze star for a similar action had to save someone WHO WAS DROWNING, 9 times out of 10 jumping in the water with them.
Kerry had leaned over the side of the boat and lifted a man out of the water. Worthy of a medal?
Kerry got a silver star for shooting someone who had been at least clipped with .50 cal machine guns. He broke protocol and ran ashore. He put his crew in danger to kill someone who wasn't going to get up.
Yet everyone else who does something like this is a sneeze away from a Court Martial. Worthy of a medal?
But remember, neither of the two are war heroes.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It's called thinking people, try it sometime.
Kerry got a bronze star for pulling someone out of the water.
Everyone else that got a bronze star for a similar action had to save someone WHO WAS DROWNING, 9 times out of 10 jumping in the water with them.
Kerry had leaned over the side of the boat and lifted a man out of the water. Worthy of a medal?
Under close, heavy, ENEMY fire, yes.
Kerry got a silver star for shooting someone who had been at least clipped with .50 cal machine guns. He broke protocol and ran ashore. He put his crew in danger to kill someone who wasn't going to get up.
Yet everyone else who does something like this is a sneeze away from a Court Martial. Worthy of a medal?
I see you have access to the VC medical records. What was Sir Charles pulse, blood pressure and eyesight right before Kerry killed him? Yes the coward Kerry should have let him run back to get more RPG's instead of doing his duty and killing the enemy.
But remember, neither of the two are war heroes.
Well, you are 1/2 right. Bush has never been to War...but he did watch John Wayne movies in the National Guard.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Yes, the COWARD KERRY should have joined the NATIONAL GUARD instead of HIDING IN THE MEKONG DELTA. The rich no-good SOB!
When you take enemy fire and become wounded you may have earned the right to criticize his duty, until then get back to peeling those potatoes, Chesty.
OH I see SOOOOO CLEARLY NOW....
first because he's this "war hero" that give's him the right to come home and blatently lie about his experience in order to churn up more dissent amung the American public and to further his own political carreer?
Second the dems. can sit there and call Bush AWOL and deserter with out any proof Demand to his records made public but the same scrutiny doesnt apply to Kerry.
What if I said Kerry deserted his post in Vietnam and abandon his duty by leaving early? Isnt that not the same thing that Bush did stateside? OH NO WAIT BUSH DIDNT GO TO VIETNAM HE SERVED IN THE GUARD.
Yea I love this, alot of libral hippies now are criticizing Bush for not goin to a war that they protested to begin with
this whole story is SSOOOOO loaded with irony
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
What if I said Kerry deserted his post in Vietnam and abandon his duty by leaving early? Isnt that not the same thing that Bush did stateside? OH NO WAIT BUSH DIDNT GO TO VIETNAM HE SERVED IN THE GUARD.
Yea I love this, alot of libral hippies now are criticizing Bush for not goin to a war that they protested to begin with
this whole story is SSOOOOO loaded with irony
The difference is there are people who actually SAW Kerry in Vietnam. People actually SAW Kerry engage the enemy. People actually SAW Kerry's wounds from ENEMY fire.
Yes, there is irony. A vet criticizing another vet for doing his duty in wartime.
BTW whats on the menu beside potatoes and crow, Chesty?
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Oh yes RPM, people can take .50 caliber hits like it's pez candy.
And we also know that the Vietnamese were fighting a conventional war. There was nothing bad that could have happened to him or his crew when he jumped off the boat. The vietnamese would have waited with honor until he got back on.
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Btw... a lot of people consider GB Sr. a War hero...
HELL! they even got footage of him endangering the lives of sailors in a submarine trying to save him!!!
This is being said with heavy sarcasm.....
I'm sure a lot of the same people (republicans) that concider GB Sr. a hero are now saying Kerry isn't one. It's all BS..
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Originally posted by mosgood
Btw... a lot of people consider GW Sr. a War hero...
HELL! they even got footage of him endangering the lives of sailors in a submarine trying to save him!!!
This is being said with heavy sarcasm.....
I'm sure a lot of the same people (republicans) that concider GW Sr. a hero are now saying Kerry isn't one. It's all BS..
I posted this Bush Sr as a democrat in the eyes of republicans spoof in another thread.
Lol, could you see if Bush Sr was a democrat?
Democrats: But he is a war vet who made sure his crew bailed from a burning aircraft before bailing himself, then pulled out his pistol and prepared to fight til the death against a Japanese patrol boat.
Republicans: First of all, the aircraft was still flight worthy and should have been returned to base. Second of all, that wasn't a patrol boat, it was a harmless Japanese fishing boat. Third, his pistol probably would not have worked and he did not have it when he was pulled aboard the submarine, he probably threw it away to surrender. He lost a plane, crew, and pistol, just to take a swim, he should be shot.
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The military records of Bush Sr. and Kerry arent even close to comparable.
You might as well discuss the similarities between Gretsky and little Jimmy Watson, the third line left winger for the Springfield Junior High Pirates hockey team who bruised his thumb and left the big game.
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"Coming from a family with a tradition of public service, George Herbert Walker Bush felt the responsibility to make his contribution both in time of war and in peace. Born in Milton, Massachusetts, on June 12, 1924, he became a student leader at Phillips Academy in Andover. On his 18th birthday he enlisted in the armed forces. The youngest pilot in the Navy when he received his wings, he flew 58 combat missions during World War II. On one mission over the Pacific as a torpedo bomber pilot he was shot down by Japanese antiaircraft fire and was rescued from the water by a U. S. submarine. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery in action. "
Here's what the White House says about GB Sr.'s military carreer.
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Originally posted by mosgood
Born in Milton, Massachusetts, on June 12, 1924,
The republicans are really gonna hate us now, we just keep breeding war heroes. (lol, yes, I am asking for trouble, i'm gonna get buried)
He should have kept that house, you see the prices of homes in Milton? That thing is probably worth about 500k(no kidding)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Total BS.. What a straw man.. Name one laser? How many bullets have you taken? How many you had fired at you?
Hell, i'll answer for you... NONE
This has to be the most laughable ignorant statement yet by this fool... I think he just described the wishes of every war vet outta vietnam.. Actually, propably the wishes of 99.9% of all vets from any war........ What a tool this guy is...
dude
for real. He wrecks a few virtual spitfires and he thinks he knows what war is. Im sure laser would be the first to volunteer for the most dangerous missions - until he learns he can't respawn lol
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
yes you are correct....Kerry released SOME records a while ago to the boston globe...but NOT ALL OF THEM.
I hear other RWers on this board saying this but iirc I read somewhere that all records were released this week. Do you have any proof or a link that he has not released all records this week?
Compare Bush* records - they still haven't been fully released (TANG officer witnessed sanitization of his records and documents thrown away) and still do not account for the time in Alabama. Plus Bush*, after receiving an expensive training program to be a pilot - which he barely qualified for but somehow managed to get in ahead of thousands of others - Bush* is not able to fulfill his duty with the TANG because he loses flight status.
How about that statement to join the guard that he was going to make aviation his career? That didnt last the 4 year hitch.
The problem the RW has with Kerry's record is that it makes Bush*'s look lame, which it is.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
OH I see SOOOOO CLEARLY NOW....
first because he's this "war hero" that give's him the right to come home and blatently lie about his experience in order to churn up more dissent amung the American public and to further his own political carreer?
Second the dems. can sit there and call Bush AWOL and deserter with out any proof Demand to his records made public but the same scrutiny doesnt apply to Kerry.
What if I said Kerry deserted his post in Vietnam and abandon his duty by leaving early? Isnt that not the same thing that Bush did stateside? OH NO WAIT BUSH DIDNT GO TO VIETNAM HE SERVED IN THE GUARD.
Yea I love this, alot of libral hippies now are criticizing Bush for not goin to a war that they protested to begin with
this whole story is SSOOOOO loaded with irony
1. if Kerry were republican candidate we wouldnt be hearing the end of how great his military record was.
2. He came home and he challenged what he thought was wrong. He saw good men dying for the wrong reasons and he did his best to stop it. Has Bush* ever done anything that wasn't in his self interest?
3. There has never been any question that Kerry served his time, did not desert, and was decorated for his service.
4. WHat if? Are you saying that Kerry left Vietnam without orders?
5. Bush* deserves the criticism because he was pro-vietnam war. In other words he supported the war but just not to the extent that his bellybutton was on the front line.
Irony doesnt begin to cover it. Its straight up hypocrisy by the RW. Denigrating Bush* record we are warned not to belittle the national guard, but the RW jumps on Kerry and Bush* isnt warning them that they are insulting the Navy!
I wonder what the US would be like if Washington's Army in the Rev. war gave the same level of service that Bush* gave in the Vietnam war. I imagine we would be drinking a lot more tea.
Now this genius has started a war that we didnt need to start, and that we are getting nothing out of except soldiers and marines coming home in body bags.
Good men are once again dying for no good reason.
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Originally posted by strk
The problem the RW has with Kerry's record is that it makes Bush*'s look lame, which it is.
LOL!!! The Boy Scouts make both look lame... the difference is Bush isnt pretending to be a 'war hero.'
Get real, lefty-boy.
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Originally posted by vorticon
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WRONG! You blasted fool! A man's military career is shaped by his military background. Unfortunately, many become corrupted by politics and forget their military background. I often think if this country were given a military hierarchy things might just work better.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
LOL!!! The Boy Scouts make both look lame... the difference is Bush isnt pretending to be a 'war hero.'
Get real, lefty-boy.
Lefty boy? is that the best you got? lol
It just shows how partisan you are that you can't admit that Kerry fought with honor and distinction in Vietnam. It rattles your RW military worshiping wingnut mind that someone could be a war hero and a damn liberal, doesnt it? It doesnt compute so deny the inconvenient fact, right?
Seems to me that you are giving up on the argument anyway, and will now settle for trying to equate Bush*'s record with Kerry's. Good luck, you have your work cut out for you.
That real enough for you, wingnut?
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
the difference is Bush isnt pretending to be a 'war hero'.
Yeah, he's not landing on aircraft carriers like he's returning from a dangerous mission or anything.
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Originally posted by strk
Lefty boy? is that the best you got? lol
It just shows how partisan you are that you can't admit that Kerry fought with honor and distinction in Vietnam. It rattles your RW military worshiping wingnut mind that someone could be a war hero and a damn liberal, doesnt it? It doesnt compute so deny the inconvenient fact, right?
Seems to me that you are giving up on the argument anyway, and will now settle for trying to equate Bush*'s record with Kerry's. Good luck, you have your work cut out for you.
That real enough for you, wingnut?
Youre missing the boat, as usual, and Im not really all that interested in arguing with someone who doesnt listen - only waits for his turn to speak. I could tell you that Kerry was my savior and you'd still spout anti-Bush bull**** - its that whole kettle/black thing with you call someone else 'partisan.'
I am not comparing Bushs military record to Kerrys.
I am not stating that Bush is some war demi-god.
What I am stating is that any attempt to label fingernail scratch Kerry as some sort of war hero is ridiculous.
Both parties would be better off debating the issues rather than trying to claim that their candidate served for longer or in a more distinguished manner before quietly slithering out of his duties.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
LOL!!! The Boy Scouts make both look lame... the difference is Bush isnt pretending to be a 'war hero.'
Get real, lefty-boy.
(http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/CarrierPhotoOp/AircraftPhotoOP/bushAircraftcarrier.jpg)
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Whoohoo! I can make pretty pictures too! I decided to make a pro-Kerry picture though, to show how upset he was about being a war hero after he was proud of being a war hero before... you get the idea. See how upset he is?
(http://www.oldmencrying.com/images/kerrytears.jpeg)
(http://www.rotten.com/library/history/war-crimes/my-lai-massacre/my_lai_m16_woman_gray.jpg)
Go WAR HERO Kerry!
(My apologies to Skuzzy in advance - dunno whether or not the second pic is too much to stomach for all the military experts in this thread)
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BIG Conservative
A play by Midnight Target
Starring Tom Hanks as John Kerry
{Fade to typical democratic home. After drinking a strange potion given to him by Anne Coulter, a bewildered John Kerry wakes up holding a 9mm gun and the shorn ponytail of some hippie. }
Kerry - What.. where am I what happened?
Coulter - Welcome to the Red side John.
Kerry - Red side? But ... owwww my head hurts, and so does this fingernail scratch on my arm. Do you have any Bacticicin?
Coulter - Your head hurts from the potion John, but that arm wound is you ticket to glory!
Kerry - Glory?
Coulter - That's right..... we needed a War Hero like you for the "red side" so I gave you the potion....
Kerry - Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o!
[later]
TV Announcer - In an unexpected turn of events, John Kerry new spokeshole, Anne Coulter, has announced that he is now a conservative republican. Film at 11:00.
[Next Day]
Rush Limbaugh - Of course I knew all along that Kerry was one of us. He talked to me just the other day about hating himself as a Librul. It is good to have a war hero of his stature on the "red side".
Hannity - Kerry will go through those liberal scum like butter... mowing them down like he mowed down those pesky commies in the Nam! Go big RED!
Coulter - Kerry was seen near Jane fonda after his heroic service for only one reason. He was trying to minimize the damage Jane could inflict on our Country. He will provide proof positive that all liberals are treasonous lieing sacks of treacherous bile spewing aaagggggghhhh agghhhhhhhhhhhhh they MAKE ME SOOOO MAD!!!
GWB - Kerry is betterer than me when it comes to servicizing our Country.
[Fade to Kerry at Home]
Kerry - I have this strange urge to hate liberals, and women, and ....... I sooooo want to invade someone.
The End
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Well hell, if you put it that way, my small wingnut brain wants to vote for him.
WAR RULEZ!
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GWB - Kerry is betterer than me when it comes to servicizing our Country.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I am not comparing Bushs military record to Kerrys.
I am not stating that Bush is some war demi-god.
What I am stating is that any attempt to label fingernail scratch Kerry as some sort of war hero is ridiculous.
Both parties would be better off debating the issues rather than trying to claim that their candidate served for longer or in a more distinguished manner before quietly slithering out of his duties.
ok lets debate the issues. Noone was talking about Kerry war record until the GOP started screaming for their release
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Originally posted by strk
ok lets debate the issues.
At your leisure.
Noone was talking about Kerry war record until the GOP started screaming for their release [/B]
Nah. Kerry didnt quite flip flop on this issue so its clear. Instead of being against war after he was a war hero, he thought it might be a good idea to be both. Thats what started this whole mess. Politics will finish it.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
At your leisure.
Nah. Kerry didnt quite flip flop on this issue so its clear. Instead of being against war after he was a war hero, he thought it might be a good idea to be both. Thats what started this whole mess. Politics will finish it.
You pick - Bush loses on every issue
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The difference is there are people who actually SAW Kerry in Vietnam. People actually SAW Kerry engage the enemy. People actually SAW Kerry's wounds from ENEMY fire.
Yes, there is irony. A vet criticizing another vet for doing his duty in wartime.
BTW whats on the menu beside potatoes and crow, Chesty?
reguardless he left after 5 months after recieveing 3 PHs scrathes from combat that he probably put himself in for.
THEN he had the balls to come home and lie befor congress about attrocities "HE HIMSELF COMMITED" then later recanted. His recorded testimony was played for POWs still sitting in the Hanoi Hilton for psycological punishment.
he hung out with the same people that would spit on me for my uniform and referr to me as a "baby killer" just because I stand a post.
so reguardless of his service in nam I see him as a disgrace. He disgraced himself and EVERY vetran past present and future.
Protest the war...sure go ahead.
Betray your fellow servicemen...WHO ARE FINISHING THEIR WHOLE TOURS (if they are lucky enough)...and you are a disgrace
dont confuse me with a major BUSH fan. I voted Mcain last rep. primaries. I see BUSH as the lesser of two evils. BUT at least bush sticks to his principles and doesnt need a gallop poll to decide an opinion on the subject.
1. if Kerry were republican candidate we wouldnt be hearing the end of how great his military record was.
2. He came home and he challenged what he thought was wrong. He saw good men dying for the wrong reasons and he did his best to stop it. Has Bush* ever done anything that wasn't in his self interest?
you mean automatically flip flopping overnight to hop on the protester band wagon to help further your political carrer isnt self serving? OH I forgot he shot VC so he has a right to say whatever he wants.
3. There has never been any question that Kerry served his time, did not desert, and was decorated for his service.
he never finished his services. his wounds required a little bactine and a snoopy bandaid and he used those to get out early. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE MILITARY officers put themselves in for stupid medals all the time.
4. WHat if? Are you saying that Kerry left Vietnam without orders?
did you ever see any document that bush ever missed any type of role call? reguardless he left early while real GIs were getting wounded and killed. Not only that but then went home and drove a knife in there back by spitting on them
5. Bush* deserves the criticism because he was pro-vietnam war. In other words he supported the war but just not to the extent that his bellybutton was on the front line.
i've never heard this befor. Did you know not everyone served in vietnam???????? our last president didnt!
Irony doesnt begin to cover it. Its straight up hypocrisy by the RW. Denigrating Bush* record we are warned not to belittle the national guard, but the RW jumps on Kerry and Bush* isnt warning them that they are insulting the Navy!
"the navy deserves to be insulted at any and all oportunities" -Marine training manul Pg 65 para 5
JK on that.....I sitll find it ironic that the Dems kick and scream for bush's records then shut up when they get them. THEN when we ask kerry for the same its all HE"S A WAR HERO LEAVE HIM ALONE
the same hippies that protested the war to begin with are critisizing bush for not going?????i still dont get it
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Originally posted by rpm371
Yes, the COWARD KERRY should have joined the NATIONAL GUARD instead of HIDING IN THE MEKONG DELTA. The rich no-good SOB!
When you take enemy fire and become wounded you may have earned the right to criticize his duty, until then get back to peeling those potatoes, Chesty.
Shhhh... you'll spoil the fun not often the circus comes to town as much.:lol
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Kerry is repulsive to me for many reasons. I will not say he didn't serve his country or deserve his medal, but I despise his basic morality and hypocrisy.
For one, he is an environmentalist who complains about gas prices and won't let us drill for oil in the US, yet he happens to own 5 mansions and a 50 million dollar private jet, which certainly use natural resources beyond what most Americans could ever imagine.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Kerry is repulsive to me for many reasons. I will not say he didn't serve his country or deserve his medal, but I despise his basic morality and hypocrisy.
For one, he is an environmentalist who complains about gas prices and won't let us drill for oil in the US, yet he happens to own 5 mansions and a 50 million dollar private jet, which certainly use natural resources beyond what most Americans could ever imagine.
Nuke probably also agrees that kerry looks like a walking talking noodle.....the ca[t morgans is kickin in bigtime now :aok
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Originally posted by Gnslngr
reguardless he left after 5 months after recieveing 3 PHs scrathes from combat that he probably put himself in for.
THEN he had the balls to come home and lie befor congress about attrocities "HE HIMSELF COMMITED" then later recanted. His recorded testimony was played for POWs still sitting in the Hanoi Hilton for psycological punishment.
Where do you get this stuff? Got a link? A shred of proof? Did you even read the testimony from the Winter Soldier "investigation"? Really. Put up or shutup.
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Originally posted by strk
You pick - Bush loses on every issue
Youre right, he does. But of course, thats only because you can pick which side of each issue you wanna go with. Kerry's supported both at one time or another.
Besides, why am I picking anything? Im fairly confident in Bush's chances to win the election - youre the one with your panties in a bunch.
Try and convince me that Kerry is a good candidate. Personally, I dunno how you can trust anyone whose viewpoint shifts more frequently than the mood of a bleeding woman.
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Originally posted by Horn
Where do you get this stuff? Got a link? A shred of proof? Did you even read the testimony from the Winter Soldier "investigation"? Really. Put up or shutup.
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well I'm intoxicated right now so no doin the whole google link thing just lookt hrought this tread for the facts
FACT: Kerry spent roughly 5 months in nam. he recived 3 "wounds" and use the navy rule 3 hits and your out to recieve orders states side
FACT: He did testify befor congress that he "saw and participated" in many atrocity's commited in vietnam. I just saw on the news yesterday were he recanted his testimony and said it wasnt exactly true.
FACT: I've seen many reports on the web saying his testimony was recorded and aired w/ hanoi janes regular brodcasts talking about how EVIL us troops were in nam
shred of proof yes...its all over just look for it.
winter soldier....what he said is a matter of public record...you look it up
awww hell here's some links dont get your libral pink panties in a bunch
WASHINGTON — John Kerry (search) lived two Vietnam experiences -- one as a decorated Navy lieutenant, the other as a staunch protester of the war.
Returning from his tour of duty, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (search) in 1971, in which he claimed it was U.S. policy in Vietnam to carry out atrocities and war crimes.
A number of Vietnam veterans consider this testimony slanderous and say Kerry had to know it was false. They accuse Kerry of lying about fellow soldiers and officers to push a political agenda, and say his words dishonored comrades in arms at a time of war.
"He knew as an officer that those were lies. It never happened," said Vietnam veteran Carlton Sherwood. "He was principally responsible for cementing the image of Vietnam veterans (search) as drugged-out psychopaths who were totally unrestrained and who were a murderous hoard."
After Kerry's testimony, military and independent investigations found that many of the soldiers who told Kerry and others they committed such atrocities were either never in the service, never in Vietnam or couldn't provide more evidence of those horrific actions.
Kerry told Fox News this weekend that he has no regrets about his service or his protest.
"Now, if some veterans still can't accept that or they don't like the fact that I stood up and spoke my mind, I respect them, that is their choice," Kerry said.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113632,00.html
dont like that source
http://www.iht.com/articles/515928.html
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< < Back to Start of Article Use of 'atrocities' inappropriate, he says
MIAMI Senator John Kerry has distanced himself from contentious statements he made three decades ago after returning from the Vietnam War, saying that his long-ago use of the word "atrocities" to describe his and others' actions was inappropriate and "a little bit excessive."
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"If you wanted to ask me, 'Have you ever made mistakes in your life?' sure," Kerry, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said on Sunday in an hourlong interview on the NBC News program "Meet the Press."
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"I think some of the language that I used was a language that reflected an anger."
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The near-apology came after the host, Tim Russert, played videotape of Kerry, in 1971, acknowledging that he had participated in shooting in free-fire zones, burning villages and search-and-destroy missions.
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All those actions were "contrary to the laws of warfare" and the Geneva Conventions, he said then. Republicans have seized on those comments, and accusations about war crimes the young Kerry made in testimony before a Senate committee, to try to undercut his war credentials.
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"The words were honest," Kerry said Sunday, "but on the other hand, they were a little bit over the top."
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oh I can keep going to "put up"
Monday, April 19, 2004 1:09 a.m. EDT
Kerry Inflates Combat Action in 'Meet the Press' Account
In his account to "Tour of Duty" author Douglas Brinkley, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry described his first encounter with enemy forces in Vietnam as an inconsequential skirmish that "hardly qualified as combat."
But on Sunday's "Meet the Press," Kerry's recollection of the episode was far more dramatic, with the top Democrat saying the confrontation not only was "frightening" but also was probably the worst combat his unit had experienced during the entire war.
Defending himself against charges that he put in for a Purple Heart for a relatively minor flesh wound after the Dec. 2, 1968 skirmish, Kerry told NBC newsman Tim Russert:
"We were in combat. We were in a very, very - probably one of the most frightening - if you ask anybody who was with me, the two guys who were with me, was probably the most frightening night that they had that they were in Vietnam."
But in his account to biograpger Brinkley, Kerry dismissed the altercation as "a minor skirmish."
"It was a half-assed action that hardly qualified as combat," he confessed, in a discrepancy first reported Sunday by FreeRepublic.com.
"I felt terribly seasoned after this minor skirmish," Kerry continued to Brinkley. "But since I couldn't put my finger on what we had really accomplished or on what had happened, it was difficult to feel satisfied."
"Meet the Press" moderator Tim Russert was apparently unaware of the contradiction and did not question Kerry on his newly dramatized account.
shall I keep going....I know I can. SO I guess i've put up now huh....truth is this guys stance depends greatly on an opinion poll...
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"It was a half-assed action that hardly qualified as combat," he confessed, in a discrepancy first reported Sunday by FreeRepublic.com. "
Uh huh.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Ask Republican Senator John McCain, Vietnam POW at the "Hanoi Hilton", what he thinks of John Kerry.
Don't you know? McCain was treated as an officer and stayed at the Ritz-Carlton and was fed caviar and fish cakes.
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Hey ! McCain said Kerry is a good guy.....
Let the McCain bashing begin!!!!!!
btw he also says he doesnt agree with Kerrys position after the war and doesnt see eye to eye with him on issues BUT he is a good guy. Of course it won't be seen this way but IMO this is one of the signs of character that I respect in McCain.